The Blackleg Miner and FAF.

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Jun 10 - 07:13 PM

I don't think I'd even heard of "Jack Orion" until this thread.

I looked for it on YouTube. The Pentangle version is unlistenably self-indulgent rubbish (like virtually all the output of the English electric-revival crowd). The Jansch one has a tasteful accompaniment, but he put zero effort into the vocals - I can't decode enough of that mumbling to tell what's going on in the story.

Is there a clearly sung unaccompanied or minimally accompanied version out there somewhere?

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST,S O'P (Astray)
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 04:14 AM

I make a crack about constipation and testosterone, and I get accused of operating a police state.

It was not a crack, Joe - it was an intervention. FYI - my bowels are fine & my testosterone likewise; and at 48 I am still young for Folk & Mudcat which is not so much a police state, more of a nursing home overseen by faceless moderators in white coats lurking behind two-way mirrors and all to the strains of Mantovani's Charmaine - which actually begins to sound dangerously edgy compared to a lot of lobotomised so-called folk around these days.

S O'P

PS - I've decided to keep signed out in so as people don't PM me - good or bad, say it up front or don't say it at all. I certainly have no desire to duck under your searchlights and radars...

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 04:42 AM

Is there a clearly sung unaccompanied or minimally accompanied version [of "Jack Orion"] out there?

Martin Carthy's version is clearly enunciated and accompanied solely by Dave Swarbrick's fiddle. I can't find it on youtube, but I'll happily forward you an mp3 if you wish.

Ed

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 08:57 AM

Thanks - there are several versions of "Jack Orion" on Spotify.

Dunno why Sean is complaining about it being too long - of the versions on Spotify, only Jansch and Pentangle go over 5 minutes. Lloyd's own version is the shortest, at 3:59.   Somebody who uploads to YouTube as "sabrinaeden" has 31 videos longer than that. In any case, long songs have a place - a concert programme made up entirely of numbers that would fit on one side of a 78 will always sound scrappy.

I can't imagine what Laura Cortese thinks she's up to with that song.

The tune seems to be a variant of "Katherine Ogie" - is that traditionally associated with "Glasgerion"?

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 09:15 AM

a concert programme made up entirely of numbers that would fit on one side of a 78 will always sound scrappy.

Most '60s pop bands managed OK... (or maybe that's what you meant)

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 12:58 PM

On the whole I prefer extended durations - right now I'm chilling to John Coltrane live in Japan, circa 1966, with a version of My Favourite Things that clocks in at nigh on 58-minutes. Bliss. Today we've been out driving with Krafwerk's original Autobahn very loud on the car stereo - 22-minutes. Earlier on, my breakfast listening was Rene Zosso's solo rendering of Jaufre Rudel's Lanquan li Jorn on the Clemencic Consort's Troubadours trilogy (or 2 CDs if you prefer!) which he brings in around 16-minutes. I say again - bliss.

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 01:17 PM

please, can those people who wish to sing a song be allowed to do so, those who wish to sing a song to support FAF do so, those who dont want to sing the song but wish to support FAF, SUPPORT faf in some other way.

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:14 PM

On the whole I prefer extended durations

Me too, and I'd put Krafwerk's original Autobahn down as a favourite, along with various stuff from the 'Canterbury scene' (Soft Machine, Caravan etc)

To my mind there is a place for the 2 minute 'pop song'.

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:42 PM

there is a place for the 2 minute popsong , definitely, it is excellent material to be flushed down the jacks, along with all the other flotsam and jetsam, and consumer waste of society.

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 02:46 PM

along with various stuff from the 'Canterbury scene' (Soft Machine, Caravan etc)

I love that live version of For Richard that covered an entire side of the old Canturbuy Tales double. Can you get that on CD anywhere I wonder? My favourite Soft Machine right now is the Live at the Paradiso, March 1969 CD in which the Ratledge, Hopper, Wyatt trio blast their way through most Volume 2 in a single unbroken 40 minute sequence - utterly amazing!

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: Bounty Hound
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 05:08 PM

Good Soldier Schweik:
'please, can those people who wish to sing a song be allowed to do so'

A resounding 'Hear Hear' from me to that.

And just in case anyone missed it last time, the bit of gratuitous self promotion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F3OvZvUgIU

John

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: brezhnev
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 05:48 PM

Continuity Jones: did you ever get to see Battle Picture Library? I've still got my copy of No 15.

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 02:56 AM

I love that live version of For Richard that covered an entire side of the old Canturbuy Tales double. Can you get that on CD anywhere I wonder?

Suibhne,

That version of 'For Richard' is currently available on the Live at the Fairfield Halls CD.

Subject: RE: The Blackleg Miner and FAF.
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 04:20 AM

Cheers, Ed - I'll make sure that's part of my summer listening before much longer!

Right now I savouring the delights of early Kraftwerk - those first three pre-Autobahn albums that have never seen official CD release. Dismissed by Ralf as '...archaeology...', keen archaeologist might take heart that they might be had gratis from various blogspots.