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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 04 Oct 12 - 02:07 PM Rather than go to one of the plethora of Democrat-owned websites and get the predictable DNC talking points, here is what an Irish website has to say about last night's debate: Romney wins first debate against Obama "Republican candidate Mitt Romney overturned the presidential race last night in a stunning victory over US president Barack Obama in the first of their three debates. A CNN/ORC post-debate poll showed that 67 per cent of viewers believed Mr Romney won the debate on domestic policy. Only 25 per cent said Mr Obama won. "A week ago, people were saying this was over," said David Gergen, a political consultant and former advisor to four presidents. "Americans thought two to one that the president would win the debate, and he lost. Now the race is back on." From the outset, Mr Romney gave the impression he enjoyed the confrontation with Mr Obama, whom he watched closely, with a smug grin, throughout the 90 minute debate. Mr Obama almost never looked at Mr Romney, and gave the impression he wished he were elsewhere. In his opening remarks, Mr Obama wished his wife Michelle a happy 20th wedding anniversary, calling her "Sweetie" and promising that "a year from now, we will not be celebrating in front of 40 million people". The joke fell flat, but was retrieved by Mr Romney, who prompted the heartiest laughter of the evening when he congratulated the Obamas. "I'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, being here with me," he told Mr Obama. Mr Obama's lacklustre performance may have been the result of nearly four years in the White House, unchallenged by sycophantic aides. His facial expressions seemed to indicate annoyance, irritation, even outrage at what Mr Romney was saying, yet he never attacked the Republican challenger. In his moment of greatest exasperation, Mr Obama said, "Governor Romney says he is going to replace (heathcare reform) with something, but he can't detail how it would be replaced… it reminds me of when he says he is going to close loopholes and deductions for his tax plan, but we don't know the details… Is the reason that Governor Romney is keeping all these plans secret because they are too good?" Mr Obama did not once mention the "47 per cent video" in which Mr Romney said "it's not my job to worry about" nearly half of Americans who pay no income tax. After months during which his campaign hammered away at heartless practices at Bain Capital, the private equity firm founded by Mr Romney, Mr Obama never mentioned Bain. He did not allude to Mr Romney's refusal to release more than two years' income tax returns. Nor did he point out that under Mr Romney, Massachusetts ranked 47th out of 50 states for job creation. Mr Romney successfully executed the "Etch-a-Sketch" erasure that one of his top aides predicted during the Republican primaries, portraying himself as the defender of the middle classes, the saviour of Medicare (government health insurance for the elderly) and a champion of bi-partisan cooperation. Mr Romney said he takes the reference to the "pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration of Independence to mean "that we care for one another. We are a nation that believes we are all children of God. We care for one another." The darling of Wall Street, Mr Romney condemned the Dodd-Frank Bill, enacted under the Obama administration to regulate banking, as "the biggest kiss to big banks" and added: "I wouldn't designate five banks as too big to fail and sign blank cheques." Mr Obama repeatedly portrayed Mr Romney's plan to cut income tax for all Americans by 20 per cent as a "$5 trillion tax cut" to which Mr Romney would add $2 trillion in increased military spending. "He has been asked a hundred times how he would close loopholes and deductions," Mr Obama said. "When you add them all up, they don't come to $5 trillion. The only way to meet Governor Romney's pledge is by burdening middle class families." "I don't have a $5 trillion tax cut," Mr Romney stated baldly, though economists say that is what a 20 per cent across the board income tax reduction would mean. "There will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit… I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income Americans." Job creation, healthcare and the role of government were the main topics of the debate. Mr Obama said he had created five million private sector jobs, that "the auto sector has come roaring back" and the property market is recovering. Mr Romney stretched the jobless number to include those who have stopped looking, part-time employees who would like to work more and the under-employed, citing 23 million Americans who are out of work. He repeatedly said that the number of people on food stamps has risen from 32 to 47 millionn under Mr Obama. The job figures for September, to be released tomorrow, will constitute another big test for Mr Obama. Mr Romney did not deliver the "one-liners" and "zingers" he reportedly memorised for the debate, but he turned one of Mr Obama's favourite themes – trickle-down economics – on its head, calling the president's policies "trickle-down government". He promised that his five-point plan for energy independence, more trade, cracking down on China, better education and helping small business would "restore the vitality that gets America working again." Mr Romney criticised Mr Obama for investing $90bn in green energy companies. "That would have hired two million teachers," he said. "About half of them went out of business. A number of them were owned by people who contributed to your campaign." Perorations on Dodd Frank and Simpson-Bowles (a bi-partisan deficit commission whose recommendations were never taken up) were probably lost on most television viewers, but Mr Romney succeeded in appearing calm, presidential and in command of the facts. It was at the same time his biggest flip-flop and his best performance." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Oct 12 - 02:23 PM So...real content means nothing, but style is vital? Coherent facts and consistent policies mean nothing, but "appearing calm, presidential, and in command" means everything? ;-D Why am I not surprised? It's total bullshit in either case. If elected, Romney will suck up to the big banks and the corporates, and the Republicans will celebrate. If elected (again), Obama will suck up to the big banks and the corporates, and the Democrats will celebrate. They will both meanwhile accuse the other guy of being what they both are: corporate servants. And the public will vote for the one who "appears calm, presidential, and in command of the facts"....LOL!!!!!!!! It's like watching Imperial Rome reeling drunkenly through its last decadent and corrupt days of decline. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: VirginiaTam Date: 04 Oct 12 - 03:51 PM Fact Checker has come back with this on the debate 10 lies Fine, but the last budget was passed on Jun 22, 2009 when the House, Senate and presidency were all three were controlled by Democrats. Republicans have only had the House and that started in January, 2011. did democrats ever really have 60 votes Get your Mitts off Rmoney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:21 PM Yes, the lies came so fast and furious that Obama had to be wondering, "Gosh, which ones should I debunk"... But what Romney did last night is provide lots on new material to use against him the final few weeks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Charley Noble Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:22 PM Thanks for the links, Virginia. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:35 PM The head of AlterNet is a former publisher of Mother Jones, as far-Left and partisan as the IWW and CPUSA websites. Debunking facts with trash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 04:43 PM I'm far-left, pdq, and I don't consider Mother Jones to be all that far left... Liberal??? Yeah... Far left??? No... BTW, exactly where is the "trash" in the fact checking??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bill D Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:00 PM I confess... *I'M* partisian.... to sanity, logic, truth, facts and reason. In any debate... 'won' is an opinion on how you handled yourself and competed with your opponent. It often has little bearing on facts. (I once heard a guy manage to slip in.."remember, 7 out of 10 doctors leaves 3!", and his opponent didn't notice.) Romney managed to be fast, clever, audacious and pointed... but as has been noted, not always factual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Henry Krinkle Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:10 PM He was Romnificient!!! (:-( D)= |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:26 PM "BTW, exactly where is the "trash" in the fact checking???" Please show me the section where AlterNet (or Mother Jones, for that matter) do a similar job and debunk the lies told by Obama. Snopes and FactCheck both have sections debunking each candidate's statments. Perhaps I just missed the balancing statements by AlterNet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 04 Oct 12 - 05:53 PM Why do there have to be "balancing statements." True is true false is false. It says a lot about your bias if you have 10 Obama "lies" pointed out for every 10 Romney lies. So if The President is only called out 5 times then the score is 5 to 5 for Romney because he got away with 5? Grow up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Greg F. Date: 04 Oct 12 - 06:07 PM Mother Jones, as far-Left and partisan as the IWW and CPUSA websites Far left??? IWW?? CPUSA???? Oh, please. Sorry, PeeDee, but Mothetr Jones is middle of the road. Just shows ya how skewed the TePublikans are when it comes to reality. Y'all ain't got no concepetion of what "far left" means. For the Industrial Workers Of The World, would refer you to Melvin Dubofsky's We Shall Be All Quadrangle, 1969- then you might have a clue what you're spouting off about. Or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: gnu Date: 04 Oct 12 - 06:23 PM "BUT I think Romney scored a slight win simply because he didn't say anything stupid." Hahahahahahaaaaahehehehheheee! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: akenaton Date: 04 Oct 12 - 06:30 PM From over here, Mr Romney looked like a man with a vision for his country, confident, full of enthusiasm for the battle, self belief. Mr obama looked as if he did not believe what he was saying. Where was the inspiration.....his heart is no longer in it....if it ever was. Perhaps he has realised the country knows that "change" is beyond him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 04 Oct 12 - 06:39 PM Don't worry about Obama. The nameless powerbrokers who put him up for the job have already secured a $35 million estate in Hawaii for Bammers retirement. That's why the statement "we will not be celebrating our aniversary like this next years" brought a huge smug smile from his wife. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Oct 12 - 07:03 PM Where is that info from, pdq? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 04 Oct 12 - 07:28 PM One of the 10 items that AlterNet says is a lie is covered by FactCheck.org: "Eastwood didn't phrase things as artfully as most other convention speakers. The often-used 23 million figure also includes 8.2 million who are employed in part-time jobs but say they are seeking full-time work, the so-called "under-employed." And it also includes another 2.5 million who say they would like a job and would take one, but haven't looked for one in the last four weeks." {obviously concerning the "23 million unemployed" several people, including Romney, have used} |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 07:49 PM Little grasping at straws going on here.... I mean, there's a reason why Romney won the debate... He came in with a bunch of lies and knew that with the 2 minute rule that he could lie his ass off and the forum was not set up so that Obama would be able to dissect them... Good strategy... May get him a bump but as the lies are exposed is going to hurt him in the long run... Cheap trick... Can't wait for the 2nd debate now... I mean, tomorrow would be fine... Obama will defeat Romney the next two debates... This from the guy who started this thread and predicted that Romney would be declared the winner of last night's debate... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:10 PM "The nameless powerbrokers who put him up for the job" (pdq referring to Obama) Yeah...those nameless powerbrokers. Here's a little something about that, pdq. They are the people who put up both candidates and back both parties. Every time. They hardly care which one wins, because either one is already in their pocket, and either one will do, but what they do care about is this: Which one is presently more marketable to the American public? That is the one they will be most concerned about promoting in the final analysis, because that is what keeps the whole phony spectacle of the 2-party system going, and doing its real job, which is to divide, conquer, befuddle, and rule the American public through an empty-suit figurehead such as Obama, Romney or whoever else works at the moment. It's theatre. If it's reasonably good theatre, it achieves the desired effect. Failed theatre would be when so many people see through the charade that hardly any of them consent to believe in it any longer. That time has not arrived yet in the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bill D Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:31 PM My gracious, LH... you do have this recurrent theme.... I know, I know... "it's only a personal opinion"... but sheesh! "..either one is already in their pocket, and either one will do,..." Some of those powerbrokers DO manage to skew the system and mess with things, but it is just not the case that they "have both (candidates) in their pocket". That implicitly implies a level of corruption that is just not supported by facts. As to "winning" the debate... just remember, Romney has had several months of awkward, foot-in-mouth, careless remarks. So... Obama has one 'sorta' off-night and suddenly 'ol Mitt is labeled by some POLLS as a leader and competent manager of serious financial issues? HA!... I say... and HA! Where have those polled folk been? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:40 PM Well, I have said before that I prefer Obama to Romney, Bobert. And I prefer the Democrats to the Republicans. This doesn't change the fact that I think both of them represent basically the same USA imperial interests and corporate interests that I'm opposed to...but what bothers me about the Republicans more than the Democrats is that they also represent the farther right segment of the American voting public. Thus, I'd rather see them lose, given the choice, than see their supporters get what they wanted. I don't like seeing that kind of political philosophy get any encouragement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:44 PM That was Bill talkin, LH... You know... The other Bobert... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:48 PM Ooooops! Pardon me! I was typing too fast, I guess. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:51 PM No, you were thinking to fast... Slow down, man... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:52 PM Let me put it this way. The Democrats frustrate me and really piss me off. The Republicans, however...ARGGGH!!!...they make my flesh crawl, cause my gorge to rise, and send me off in search of Holy Water, a crucifix, a mallet, silver bullets, and a wooden stake! ;-D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:53 PM "thinking too fast" - Yup, that was it. I gotta slow down, like you say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Songwronger Date: 04 Oct 12 - 08:58 PM From the clips I've seen, Obama got his ass kicked. Obama's never earned anything in his life. His college degrees were awarded to him, his political offices were awarded to him, the freakin' Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to him. But last night he had to do a job of work, and he failed. He's a creation of the CIA. His whole legal career is a lie. He proved that last night. No debate skills. He looked like a criminal, and Romney looked like the TV hero cop giving him the third degree. And Romney's a moron. Kind of like George W. Bush's big brother in a fraternity. Both of those men should have been booed off the stage, but they weren't, and Romney tossed Obama from one turnbuckle to another. Obama needs to wear a mask next time, like some lucha libre wrestler. What an idiot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Songwronger Date: 04 Oct 12 - 09:24 PM Obama at the next debate |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 04 Oct 12 - 09:27 PM Maybe you had better use a thicker gauge of tinfoil in your hats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 09:29 PM From what I saw, Romney came in and lied his ass off and Obama was so taken back by the impostor that he didn't really know how to respond to the machine gun lies... He won't be fooled again... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bill D Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:31 PM "thinking too fast" It's best to do it like *I* do, and only think half-fast. ;>) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:31 PM BTW, Romney can lose Ohio, New Mexico, New Hampshire and Wisconsin and still win. He would have to "run the table" in the South and Midwest to do it, but it can be done. Prediction: Bammer 269 to Romney's 271. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:42 PM Happens all the time, Bill. My mind races along merrily and gets way ahead of my fingers on the keyboard. This results in a lot of typos, because I'm only halfway through typing one word and already starting into typing the next one or the one after that. I have to consciously make my mind slow down to avoid the errors. I think it's quite a common problem these days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bobert Date: 04 Oct 12 - 10:45 PM Wanta place a side bet, pdq???D |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Bill D Date: 04 Oct 12 - 11:04 PM Ask Nate Silver. He has been within a few points the last 2 elections. He says Obama gets 317. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Oct 12 - 12:38 AM "Romney came in and lied his ass off and Obama was so taken back by the impostor that he didn't really know how to respond to the machine gun lies." I don't think that he expected Romney to contradict so many things he has been saying for so long with just a couple of BS words. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:33 AM O is cagey and Romney better know it. He's laying a trap for Romney who could really lose it in the next couple of debates because he thinks he's riding high on this one, with all of his bullying and lies. O is cool under fire, a good attitude for a U.S. Prez. Romney will tie the American people to the top of his car. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:35 AM Maybe the real powers that be (those behind the curtain and the throne) much prefer a race that seems pretty close to one that seems to be a forgone conclusion, therefore they did a little coaching to give Romney a bit of a boost? The coaching could involve, for instance, telling Mr Obama NOT to bring up the 47% and a whole bunch of other damaging stuff he could have brought up. In other words, get Obama to behave in a rather lacklustre fashion for this round, thus re-energizing the Republican campaign, thus making the race "exciting" again. It is a form of media entertainment, after all, and one doesn't want the excitement level of the public to dwindle, right? So that could be it. Just a possible suggestion. Given the ruthless and combative nature of politics, it seems extraordinary that Obama would not have used some really obvious ammunition he could have to damage Romney, unless he was coached not to by some pretty persuasive voices. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: akenaton Date: 05 Oct 12 - 11:57 AM I think Mr Obama is getting sick of politics...maybe he's too nice a guy to live with blood on his hands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 05 Oct 12 - 12:45 PM In the last four election cycles, Republicans have been tied or had an advantage in the number of votes cast all but once. The only year that Democrats had the avantage was in 2008 when their base thought their dream world would come true if they voted for Obama. Even with the Republican advanatge and the strong majority of independants will be voting for Romney, polls in "swing sates" are being skewed at least 6% in favor of Democrats sampled, and some polls are skewed as much as 11%. These polls are run by NBC, New York Times and other sources that are supposed to be taken seriously. Fact is, Ohio may be a "tossup" but nothing south of DC is. Romney is actually ahead in electoral votes if polls are unskewed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 05 Oct 12 - 01:41 PM ""Romney is actually ahead in electoral votes if polls are unskewed."" If it were true, which it almost certainly is not, that would be the saddest possible indictment of the lack of intelligence of the electorate in those states. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: VirginiaTam Date: 05 Oct 12 - 02:18 PM I am always disappointed when a liar's pants don't actually catch on fire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Oct 12 - 02:46 PM And his nose doesn't grow rapidly longer... ;-) Political cartoonists used to delight in lengthening Richard Nixon's nose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: pdq Date: 05 Oct 12 - 02:52 PM There's no such thing as honest polls September 21, 2012 By Dr. Kevin "Coach" Collins {edited by me} When he was asked how he thought history would treat him, Adolph Hitler said, "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth." This "history be damned" attitude is alive and functioning within today's far Left American media. It makes no pretense about being honest, it just churns out Democrat propaganda. And sad to say, it is being aided in its fraud by useful idiots on the Right who lend credibility to the Left's phony polls who report them without question. It is hard to tell who is more culpable in this daily assault on the freedom of the press, but since the Left is what it is, the Right would have to be held more responsible for the damage these fake polls do to the morale of the American people. The under-sampling Republicans and over-sampling Democrats to force headlines to show Barack Obama is winning is now so rampant it almost seems like the product of a frat house prank. In this "prank" the "reporters" are being tested by the "pollsters" to see how far away from reality the sampling can go before someone finally asks a question or even reads the internal data of a poll before slavishly reporting it as truth. How much of a sampling skew toward Obama can we take? Each new poll skew seems like a breath blowing up a balloon. Now polls are regularly skewed at least 10 points in favor of Obama. Some "polls" delivered with a straight face have used a Democrat projected turnout 13 points higher than the expected Republican turnout. No one questions this but just sheepishly reports what is ordered. {edited by me} Gallup has already been threatened with a lawsuit to get them to start issuing poll reports Democrats like. Gallup is not a stupid bunch. They know by Obama's Department of Justice can cut the legs off of them in a heartbeat so they have recently started to get in line. Careful research shows that all genuine data items point to a smashing victory for Romney, but at this point it is hard to see the lying pollsters and compliant "reporters" saying this until the day after the Election. {edited by me} |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Greg F. Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:17 PM Political cartoonists used to delight in lengthening Richard Nixon's nose. They hardly needed to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: GUEST,999 Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:19 PM pdq's post is gathered from AntiObamaBlog.com | Dr. Kevin "Coach" Collins That information is NOT edited by me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Little Hawk Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:22 PM pdq, I think the "history be damned" attitude you describe is equally apparent on both the Right and the Left these days. The USA's standard mode is "history be damned". The USA has repeatedly launched wars of choice against small, distant countries that offered no real threat to the USA. That's what Hitler was in the habit of doing, only he didn't reach quite as far beyond his borders as the USA does. Both the Democrats AND the Republicans have been repeatedly guilty of backing those pre-emptive wars of aggression. The only American politicians I know of who have resolutely opposed them are Dennis Kucinich (Democrat) and Ron Paul (Republican). The rest have all lined up dutifully and justified open and illegal aggression against other countries which were no threat to the USA...and occupation of those countries, apparently believing, like Hitler, that "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth." Politicians in both your parties continually tell lies, mislead the public, and misrepresent themselves. This is totally obvious. Like Hitler and his ilk, they also believe that "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth." It's standard behaviour in American politics. And you see it only on the Left???? You must be blind in one eye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Greg F. Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:27 PM pdq's post is gathered from AntiObamaBlog.com What A Surprise! As per usual, no facts need apply. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: Jack the Sailor Date: 05 Oct 12 - 03:59 PM Skewing the debate?? Slimeball. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Big Media: Romney Wins 1st Debate... From: VirginiaTam Date: 05 Oct 12 - 04:26 PM Maybe it was a handkerchief. Well maybe he has phobia of shaking hands with a Black man. Or a better man. |
