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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Apr 13 - 03:49 PM If it was a jihadist, Israel's day will be more significant to him than Patriots' Day. We will see Greg. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon (Covering th From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 16 Apr 13 - 04:36 PM If I were trying to parse this out based on what little information we have, but with some little knowledge of terrorist history, I would rank the likelihood of who perpetrated the act thusly: A. Some Islamist terrorist (single or group, perhaps even home-grown) wanting to strike at he U.S., and the marathon presented a broad target, hard to fully protect. B. A non-Islamist person or group with a specific gripe against government(s) or perceived powerful groups with which (t)he(y) disagree, and has chosen the site as above. C. Someone from group A who relishes sticking it both to the U.S. And Israel, and took advantage the chronological confluence of the marathon and Israeli independence day. D. A newly hired ER doctor, looking for a lot of quick experience. This sounds far fetched, but a local fireman, a few years ago, turned arsonist so he could become a hero smoke eater. E. Somebody with no affiliation wanting to murder a relative, spouse or someone with whom they hold a real hate for, with an opportunity to make it look like one of the groups above was involved. "Law and Order" come to life. I'm sure GregF. and Keith and others can add more categories. Heck, we can even start a pool to see who's right! ---- My real suggestion would be for us to grieve for the victims, belay the mindless speculation. Let the investigators do their job until they find answers, and can bring culprits to justice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: GUEST,TIA Date: 16 Apr 13 - 04:40 PM Amateur in the sense that it is being reportedly that no HE was involved. The really good bomb makers can get their hands on that pretty easily. When your legs or your child are blown off by a bomb, I do not suppose you care what the explosive was. But these considerations will undoubtedly help the FBI to find the perpetrator(s). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Apr 13 - 04:47 PM If you're trying to make somethingout of anniversaries, the fact that this week is the 20th anniversary of the Waco massacre, on April 19th (and 18th of Oklahoma) seems plausible enough. But there really is no point speculating at this time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: skarpi Date: 16 Apr 13 - 05:14 PM Runners saw bomb sniffing dogs ...before the run ...what , did they knew about the bombs ? and did nothing ? what is going on there ... http://www.dv.is/frettir/2013/4/16/fannst-skrytid-ad-sja-sprengjuleitarhunda-fyrir-hlaupid-i-boston/ the letter s are in Icelandic but the video is from us ... all the best Skarpi Iceland . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Apr 13 - 05:44 PM I'm an associate member of the Sisters of Mercy, so I'm on their e-mail lists. Here's the response to the bombings on their Connect With Mercy blog:
In all acts like the Boston Marathon bombings, the evil-doer plots not only to injure, but to capture the wills of innumerable people and crush them into his own small hatred. Evil would like nothing more than to rob us of our light – our hope, our trust and our freedom. It would like nothing more than for us to exist in a world – as it does – defined by death rather than by life. Whether evil comes to us in events like yesterday's bombings, or in the everyday meanesses of some small, hate-filled individual, it will come. In our advanced technological age, it can take huge proportions. But whether small or large in its appearance, evil is equally debilitating when we allow it to control us – for that is its greatest desire: to rob us of ourselves. So let this be our prayer for the people whose lives were affected by yesterday's evil acts: may they have the courage and support to again choose life, hope, freedom and trust. May they never be defined by yesterday's experience, but may they become their strongest selves despite it. And for those who lost their lives in this senseless act, may their memory encourage us always to choose life. For nothing could be worse than to live – as the perpetrator does – defined by death. By everything we do today, and every day, let us consciously stand for love, mercy and life. It can be our way of offering healing to our injured world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Jack the Sailor Date: 16 Apr 13 - 06:07 PM "the Waco massacre" You mean when 4 public servants were gunned down by a bunch of gun hoarding loonies or do you mean when those loonies incinerated themselves and their families? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Songwronger Date: 16 Apr 13 - 06:24 PM Runners saw bomb sniffing dogs ...before the run ...what , did they knew about the bombs ? and did nothing ? what is going on there ... Our government bombs us occasionally in order to keep us in a state of fear. To be fair to the Boston police, they were told there was a bombing drill going on. They seem to have thought the event was staged until they saw the carnage. This operation appears to have been carried out by a larger agency. If the FBI is doing its job, they're rounding up known bombers right now, people like Bill Ayers. Mr. Ayers should be made to give an accounting of his wherabouts yesterday, as should all of his known friends and associates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Greg F. Date: 16 Apr 13 - 06:29 PM F--K off, greggie. you can crawl back under your rock. Polite, as usual. Hey Beardie, you kiss yer mudder wit dat mouth? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Apr 13 - 06:50 PM Twenty six children were killed at Waco. I don't know a better word than massacre to refer to something like that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Don Firth Date: 16 Apr 13 - 07:03 PM I KNEW it wouldn't take long for Songwronger to try to blame the Boston Marathon bombings on Obama! Pathetic!!! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: skarpi Date: 16 Apr 13 - 07:06 PM first bombing in Boston yesterday today this ... http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4368598,00.html is US and Isreal going into Iran ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: GUEST,TIA Date: 16 Apr 13 - 07:12 PM The conspiracy nuttiness started within minutes. Songwronger is jumping on the bandwagon way late. But you knew it would happen. And it is disgusting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: jacqui.c Date: 16 Apr 13 - 07:45 PM Why do so many people on this thread have to start fighting - it really does get to be distressing. After what has happened are we REALLY going to get uptight about the definition of words. Why is it so much more important to start bringing out pet theories as to the nature of government than to commiserate with those who have been injured or lost loved ones. Are your egos really that important? Some of you disgust me. In all of this I am trying to concentrate on the goodness of so many people after this event. The guys who ran toward the danger, rather than away from it, helping those injured and maybe dying. The guy who brought out the remains of his pre-race party food to feed those in need. The people who opened up their homes to stranded runners, feeding them and offering beds to those who could not return to their hotels. There is so much more good out there than the few evil people who cause so much misery. Shame this thread does not follow the same pattern. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Greg F. Date: 16 Apr 13 - 08:00 PM Twenty six children were killed at Waco. I don't know a better word than massacre to refer to something like that. I have better words, Kevin: mass suicide, which is what it was. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: michaelr Date: 16 Apr 13 - 08:43 PM A Facebook friend shared a photo of eight year old Martin Richard who was killed in Boston yesterday. He was holding a sign he had drawn which read "No more hurting people. PEACE." It made me cry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Apr 13 - 08:43 PM Babes in arms commit suicide? Interesting. The word "massacre" means innocent people were slaughtered. It doesn't say anything about who slaughtered them. .............. I note that Iran has strongly condemned the bombing. As of course it did back at the time of 911. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Apr 13 - 01:29 AM What jacquic said, very eloquently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: skarpi Date: 17 Apr 13 - 02:33 AM this was in my post last night .. http://earthfirstnews.wordpress.com/2013/04/15/the-boston-marathon-and-u-s-drone-attacks-a-tale-of-two-terrorisms/ the world is a sad place to be in this is just some thing witch is hard to under stand ..on both ways this is ugly and should be stopped ugly world .... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 17 Apr 13 - 04:31 AM Very well said jacqui.c. I also appreciated very much Joe Offer's words from the Sisters of Mercy. I'm worried now about Margaret Thatcher's funeral this morning and the London Marathon on Sunday. It seems that any public gathering could be a target for escalating terrorism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Apr 13 - 05:44 AM There's no real evidence for there being "escalating terrorism". Terrorism fluctuates, and it's nothing new. There are fewer bombs exploding in the UK these days than a few years ago, at the height of the IRA campaign, for example. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Richard Bridge Date: 17 Apr 13 - 07:01 AM As I said. We do not yet know that the Boston bomber is a terrorist. We do know that the Irish bombers of London were. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Greg F. Date: 17 Apr 13 - 07:13 AM Look up "Jonestown", Kevin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: akenaton Date: 17 Apr 13 - 08:37 AM A couple of months ago, a Pakistani family were obliterated by a drone strike....this was said to be the result of "bad intelligence" There were six children in the house which was struck, plus other family members. There was very little comment on Mudcat. As long as The US govt authorises these terrorist strikes, It can expect retaliation from terrorists on the opposite side, just as we in the UK experienced the London Underground bombings, due to our involvement in Iraq. I dont know if Islamic terrorists were responsible here, but it does seem rather likely. I hope it is not the precursor to an extended bombing campaign, if so pressure should be brought on Mr Obama to stop engaging in drone warfare......all advances in military technology have always a nasty aftertaste. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Den Date: 17 Apr 13 - 09:35 AM I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say that the Irish had nothing to do with the bombs in Boston. We have the closest thing to peace in our country than we have had in the last 50-60 years. Apparently some contributors to Mudcat don't like that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Rapparee Date: 17 Apr 13 - 09:36 AM So stay indoors and never leave your house again. Dammit, Jacqui's right. Worrying and jumping to conclusions without sufficient data wastes your energy and makes you look stupid. Do something to help instead. You can at least give blood or money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: jacqui.c Date: 17 Apr 13 - 11:04 AM I can't give blood - as a Brit they won't take me - something to do with Jacob Creutzfeldt disease. I am also a cancer survivor, which puts me totally outside the loop. I will be checking on a way to donate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: jacqui.c Date: 17 Apr 13 - 12:43 PM I just got an email from our congresswoman, Chellie Pingree giving a donation web address - I am aware that there are scams out there but this one is the official one from the governor of Massachusetts so have donated there. Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick and Boston Mayor Tom Menino have formed The One Fund Boston to help the families most affected by the attack. If you'd like to donate, you can do so here: http://onefundboston.org/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Wesley S Date: 17 Apr 13 - 02:38 PM What I think is both silly and sad about these situations is how the local media here {Atlanta} covers the story. They are so desperate to make a connection with it. "Coming up next - our exclusive interview with a local man who ran the Boston Marathon - finished early - and didn't see a thing". "And then we'll talk with a woman who's daughter never finished and she's safe too". I imagine it's that way all over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 17 Apr 13 - 02:56 PM Yes, Greg, the Jonestown Massacre had certain parallels with Waco, as well as considerable differences. ............. The fact that there was no element of "martyr" to this episode, and so far no claim of responsibility, argue against this being an Islamist operation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Songwronger Date: 17 Apr 13 - 07:12 PM I didn't blame the bombing on Obama, Mr. Firth. But since you brought it up, he is a known associate of the bomber Bill Ayers. Does anyone know where Mr. Obama was when the marathon bombs went off? There were reports of a "dark-skinned man" acting suspiciously before the crime. Perhaps that was Mr. Obama. He and Mr. Ayers should definitely be brought in for a waterboarding session. Come to think of it, Mr. Obama has been killing children with bombs lately in other countries, so who knows. The FBI should look at him really hard. I think you're onto something, Mr. Firth. Good call. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: kendall Date: 17 Apr 13 - 07:45 PM There is no such thing as a senseless attack. It made sense to the creeps who did it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Songwronger Date: 17 Apr 13 - 08:05 PM http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/15155_479089912163926_1654583610_n.jpg A collage of photos. Navy Seals at the marathon, with black backpacks, etc. There are dozens and dozens of individual surveillance camera photos online, but someone did this collage. It appears that the Boston police were told there would be a bomb drill. Then the military moved in and made it happen. The devices were crudely fashioned in order to make it look like a knuckledragger did it. For the past two days the government-controlled media has been linking Middle Eastern terrorists to "right-wing extremists." At least on 9/11 they made some attempt to obfuscate. This is insulting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Jack the Sailor Date: 18 Apr 13 - 01:13 AM >>From: kendall - PM Date: 17 Apr 13 - 07:45 PM There is no such thing as a senseless attack. It made sense to the creeps who did it. << I guess you are right Kendell but does what makes sense to them make sense? For instance, killing 13 people in a movie theater because you think you are the Joker? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Don Firth Date: 18 Apr 13 - 01:13 AM Songwronger, give my congratulations to David Horowitz next time you see him, for the astounding number of Right-Wing, anti-Liberal, anti-Obama web sites that he's managed to flood the internet with. He certainly is a busy fellow. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Don Firth Date: 18 Apr 13 - 01:48 AM F. Michael Maloof, formerly with the Pentagon's Technology Security Operations, writes: WASHINGTON – The Boston Marathon bombing that killed three people and wounded more than 180 was on the same day as the 101st anniversary of the birthday of North Korean founder Kim Il Sung, raising questions among analysts whether Pyongyang, as in some of its past terrorism, used proxies to carry out the attack in the U.S.I'm not saying that's it, but until more definite information is in, it's a line of inquiry. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: beardedbruce Date: 18 Apr 13 - 07:59 AM Good point, Don. We don't know until we know. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Rapparee Date: 18 Apr 13 - 09:41 AM I thought of that when it happened. That doesn't make it so. It could also have been someone who doesn't think that people should have their legs bare in public. Or just a plain old-fashioned nut case. We don't know yet. Yes, the DPRK has quite a history of terror attacks and not always in their own backyard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Wesley S Date: 18 Apr 13 - 02:59 PM "Navy Seals at the marathon, with black backpacks, etc." "Then the military moved in and made it happen." Tell you what Songwronger - Get off the computer - grow a pair - and walk up to a Navy Seal and tell him you think some of his brothers planted those bombs and then let me know what his response was. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Don Firth Date: 18 Apr 13 - 04:05 PM Obama couldn't possibly have been involved in the Boston Marathon explosions. He was in Texas, setting charges at the fertilizer plant. I just thought the Tinfoil Hat Brigade would like to know. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: bobad Date: 18 Apr 13 - 05:31 PM Photos and videos of suspects released: FBI |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Jack the Sailor Date: 18 Apr 13 - 05:41 PM Photo here: Salon said the FBI site has crashed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: pdq Date: 18 Apr 13 - 06:04 PM Here is one of the best pictures I can find... both suspects |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Apr 13 - 02:48 AM Massive police operation in Boston area by: Staff writer From: news.com.au April 19, 2013 4:40PM Police officer shot dead at Boston university, MIT Suspects involved in carjacking, grenades thrown Major operation underway after police car chase |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Ebbie Date: 19 Apr 13 - 03:22 AM Of course, it is not sure yet that the two men they are pursuing are the ones who committed this deed- but it appears quite likely. The part that I'm agog over is the speed with which things are progressing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Apr 13 - 05:01 AM Black cap dead, whit cap on run. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Jim Martin Date: 19 Apr 13 - 06:47 AM Almost total lockdown in Boston! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: GUEST,Lavengro Date: 19 Apr 13 - 07:28 AM Obviously the remaining killer and whatever support network he has need to be brought into custody as soon as possible. Equally obviously doing that without further loss of life is the ideal to strive for. However, does anyone else think shutting down the entire transportation network and asking people not to leave their homes or go to work is an over reaction? It seems to me that it is an additional victory to bring one of the USA's most iconic cities and tourist hotspots to a standstill for....... how long? Let's hope this resolves as soon as is humanly possible for all concerned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Apr 13 - 07:32 AM Brothers from Chechnya. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Explosions at Boston Marathon From: bobad Date: 19 Apr 13 - 07:34 AM AP sources identify the surviving Boston bomber as Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19. The man is said to be from Russia's south, not far from the Chechen Republic. The man reportedly lived in Turkey before arriving legally in the US about a year ago. The name is listed among the recipients of Cambridge scholarships in 2011. The second suspect is said to be his brother. An NBC report claims the two immigrated at least two years ago. One of the brothers is said to have a Massachusetts drivers' license. There is a page at the Russian social network VKontakte (In Contact) with the name Dzhokhar Tsarnaev living in Boston and studying at Cambridge Rindge & Latin School. The page mentions a school in Makhachkala, the capital of the Republic of Dagestan, as a place Tsarnaev studied between 1999 and 2001. The Tsarnaev family moved to Dagestan from Kyrgyzstan in 2001, the school spokesman told RT. He Dzhokhar studied there for just one year and produced no particular impression, good or bad, on the teachers. Dzhokhar has several Chechen-related interests stated in his profile. He states that he speaks Russian, English and Chechen and holds career and money as his personal priorities. The page has but a handful of posts, most of them jokes. The owner's last visit of the page was from a mobile phone shortly before the shooting in Boston started. Some Russian-language comments on the page accuse Tsarnaev of being behind the bombing. They were posted after the news of a possible connection of a Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to the bombing broke. |
