BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 May 02 - 12:12 PM

We did the 'War on Poverty', the 'War on Drugs', the 'War on Cancer'... Most fortunate that we won them all.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Bobert
Date: 10 May 02 - 01:48 PM

Troll: I live way up the Blue Ridge in Jefferson County, West Virginia. The closest town is Harpers Ferry which is about 10 miles north. I'm not familiar with Crossmore but I have been to Rutherfordton (pronounced Rofftin i8n those parts). I'm also going to be in Boone, N.C. on July 13th and 14th for a Scottish festival. And my last connection with western Carolina in Collowhee, where my wife, who teaches music, occasionally attends Orff music workshops.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: DougR
Date: 10 May 02 - 02:02 PM

Ebbie: I get the sarcasm, but what's your point? Was this in reply to a previous thread?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 May 02 - 02:12 PM

Doug, it isn't meant to be sarcasm. My point is that the war on terrorism, using our present approach, is not winnable any more than those 'wars' have proved to be. We are sowing dragon's teeth.

First, and more than anything else, we MUST go back to the basics, we MUST address the issues that have brought about the current climate. After that, I agree that alertness, vigilance and prompt attention are essential, but tit for tat is insane.

I saw Ariel Sharon say the other day: Our goal is that whenever someone kills us, we will find them and kill them.

As a goal, that's a sad commentary on what has come down the pike. If you look back on some other threads, notably soon after Sept. 11, you'll find that a lot of people agree with Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Bobert
Date: 10 May 02 - 04:07 PM

Ebbie: Thanks for the assist. Ol' troll and Dougie had my butt surrounded there for a couple of days and I was thinking, "Hey, where is everyone." And what some fail to recognize is that there are a lot of folks like us. A lot. And when it is time to stand up and be counted, I have total faith that we will all recognize our opportunity and responsibility to do just that and change forever the manner in which we Earthlings will conduct business. Oh yeah, we recognize that this isn't that time but it is a time for a little ground work and that is why we make these efforts to paint alternatives.

Thanks again, Ebbie,

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: InOBU
Date: 10 May 02 - 04:16 PM

Hi Claymore and everyone...
I can understand why ... to a hostage negotiator, everyone who distrusts "the government" is a marginalised outsider... and why the history of the humanity seems to be one long story of pain and agony war and murder... but let me assure you that there is another human possibility.
We Quakers don't live in the margins, rather, our peacable kingdom overlaps your battlefields and national fortresses. We once tried our hand at government, ran the Pensulvainia Colony and are still on good terms with most Indian governments as a result. We kept our promices and worked together with Native neighbors. Our lamb's war was overtaken by your wars of swords and guns, and the peaceable Indians of our Colony were murdered by an army from another colony. Wonder why distrust governments which maintain armies?
But, written history is not the history of humanity in total. Before settled communities there is no evidence in the foscil record for war or murder. So, I believe we evolved into the killers some now are. I also believe in a world where third world nations and super powers alike, can destroy life on our planit with nuclear weapons, it is time to concider evolving out of war as a solution, in the past ten thousand years, it has proved to be a rather inefficent solution. So, here I am, talking you out of the hostage situation where your philosophy holds us hostage to your missiles. Where do we begin, what can we offer you to put down the gun, let a few hostages go, Friend...
Yours in the light
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: DougR
Date: 10 May 02 - 07:01 PM

Bobert: you talking revolution here? If you are, I need to oil up my musket I suppose.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Bobert
Date: 10 May 02 - 07:36 PM

Yes, Dougie. But you won't need to oil up your musket because there will be no need for them on either side. Plus, I have been given the task to convert you and have arranged for you to hold a very special position in the new Party of Peace. But I don't want to tell you too much now ot else you'll be so excited you won't be able to sleep tonight....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Troll
Date: 10 May 02 - 11:57 PM

I'm from about 20 miles south of Boone.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: DougR
Date: 11 May 02 - 12:03 AM

Bobert: I am breathless and cannot wait to hear your plans for me. Will I be a General, Admiral, High Potentate or something? Do I need to get in shape? I guess that's the important question.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 02 - 04:13 AM

DougR, the least shall be first and the first shall be least...

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Gareth
Date: 11 May 02 - 02:32 PM

Civil War ? Rebellion ? I live about 5 miles from Machen, where the invading Normans were given a very bloody nose by the Kingdom of Sengehydd. In about 1100 AD - And Yes we Welsh had universal conscription then.

As the Bards recorded at the time (Translated)The River (Afon) Rhymni ran red with Norman Blood.

Caerphilly Castle was built, eventually, and over many years, to subdue Sengehydd - Demolished several times by us locals in the course of that long bitter fight.

But universal Military Service - of course - and the fact remains that no man could call himself a leader untill he had served, with honour. ( Bush/Regan/Clinton, please note.)

Gareth/Garydd.

The Minstral Boy to the war has gone,
His Harp he leaves behind him,
He girds a sword about his loin,
And in the battle front you'll find him !

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: DougR
Date: 11 May 02 - 03:43 PM

Bobert: I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow and won't be back for four or five days. I hope you and Larry don't get drafted while I'm gone! If you do, maybe Ebbie will bake you some cookies to take along with you to basic training :>)

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: artbrooks
Date: 11 May 02 - 04:16 PM

For those who propose that we create peace on earth by establishing yet another government agency, we already have a "Department of Peace". Its called the Agency for International Development. This is an extract from its policy statement: "The agency works to support long-term and equitable economic growth and advancing U.S. foreign policy objectives by supporting: economic growth, agricultural and trade; global health; and, democracy, conflict prevention and humanitarian assistance." You can find out more about it here: USAID. The issue as I see it isn't that we don't have an agency with this mission, but that we don't give it an appropriate priority.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 May 02 - 05:18 PM

Funny you should say that, DougR. You probably don't know that I make sourdough cookies for the tourists all summer long. 'Tis true. Serve them with 'Russian' Tea.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: DougR
Date: 12 May 02 - 02:33 AM

Mmmm. Sounds good Ebbie! No, I didn't know that, but they sure sound good! I don't recall ever having eaten sourdough cookies. I don't recall ever hearing that such cookies existed. I'd like a sourdough cookie!!!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 May 02 - 02:49 AM

hahhaha They do exist, I assure you. The ones I make are sourdough soft ginger (i.e, not snaps) cookies, and they are really quite good. I make one batch at a time then dollop them onto waxed paper and roll them up for slicing one panful at a time. That way they're always fresh and there's no waste.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 02 - 01:23 AM

When I was overseas after the war, the big one, we were required to use script on the base and we were paid in it too.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: InOBU
Date: 13 May 02 - 05:38 AM

Sounds like you were in debt to the company store, Guest! Cripes! Larry

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Troll
Date: 13 May 02 - 08:58 AM

GROAAAN!!!

troll

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: InOBU
Date: 13 May 02 - 09:37 AM

TROLL!!! I had the spagetti and eggplant too! Try some Tums! Feel better, Larry

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Troll
Date: 13 May 02 - 09:56 AM

I DON'T EAT EGGPLANT.

EVER!

troll

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 13 May 02 - 05:45 PM

Gads, I'm off-line from this thread for a couple of days and it turns into a food fight... but Norton I do appreciate your coda to my epistle.

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: Steve in Idaho
Date: 13 May 02 - 06:08 PM

Claymore - I really didn't do code - I was a 2531 not a 2533. And I thought this was a food fight and not a pi.....

Well shoot it always helps to put ones glasses on before responding to posts :-)

I can't believe this horse is still getting wacked - must be a government horse. Beat it long enough and someone will come and prop it up - such as I am now doing - - Gads - Now

I'M a government agent.

Steve

Subject: RE: BS: UniversalMilitary Conscription in the US
From: GUEST,Peace Matriot
Date: 30 May 02 - 02:54 PM

In light of recent US Memorial Day and anti-conscription threads, I thought I'd refresh this just to say how one sided the arguments here are...not too many women included in your discussion. We give birth to the entire world, and make up half of it, so I wonder why our opinions aren't solicited when it comes to war, of which we and our children are the most numerous victims?

Interesting to see some non-US points of view expressed here too. Unfortunate there aren't more to balance out the imperial US voices.