BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 03:55 PM

I think that if you think you see Obama flipping the bird in that video, it says a lot more about what you WANT TO SEE than what Obama was trying to communicate.


This is one of the many many Videos of the alleged event.


This was my response at the time.


This person does a much more thorough job.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 04:15 PM

Two fingers? Barack is clearly an Anglophile!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 04:26 PM

Is it two fingers in Britain?

Good thing Raleigh, North Carolina is just named after an Englishman.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 04:31 PM

It is indeed. V sign cartoons.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 04:36 PM

Its a good thing Barack kept his fingers together.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 05:12 PM

I know, he probably just scratched his cheek. But if we was doing the class clown "maintain plausible deniability" version, I'm kind of proud of him.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 05:19 PM

Right! This could have caused an international incident!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 05:32 PM

The comments about Hillary "in her element" and the brush the shoulders were bad enough. I know that he has to prove to the Superdelegates that he can fight back. But I am getting tired of his sniping as well as hers.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 07:21 PM

I knew a guy who, when he was really ticked off at someone, would hold up all five fingers and say, "Treat the family!"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 10:21 PM

I sometimes hold up three and say, "read between the lines".

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 11:44 PM

The comment about Hillary being "in her element" slinging dirt is totally germane. It illustrates exactly one of the top problems with her candidacy--she thinks the only way to get anything done is to fight--and usually fight dirty. And he's trying to get beyond that.

And it's about time.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Apr 08 - 11:58 PM

If that is true, it may be she is that way due to being in the forefront of equal rights for women when if a woman wanted to make it in a man's world, she had to fight dirt with dirt to get ahead. If that is so, we all owe her a debt for getting to where she is and I do salute her for that. It's a shame that young women take so much for granted and haven't a clue what women before them have gone through to earn them their place in society. I remember not getting hired because I might get pregnant. I also remember not being able to get birth control without my parent's permission until I was married at 17 and had my 19 year old husband's permission! There are many more instances like that that young women just don't encounter any more. Whether I want Senator Clinton in as president or not, I do admire her for her drive, ambition, and assertiveness.

In a way, she can't win for trying. If she didn't fight dirty, they'd ridicule her for being too nice, for being a pollyanna, all sweetness and light, as if those are bad attributes. But, when she fights them the way they fight, she gets knocked down for that. IF she were a man, they'd think business as usual.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: CarolC
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 12:08 AM

I was uncomfortable with his comments about her being in her element, etc. I think he could have done the brushing dirt off his shoulder thing much more effectively had he not accompanied it with those remarks. I think this particular election has a very big instant-karma kind of thing going on. He seems to do better when he stays above comments like those. That kind of thing comes back to bite whoever does it in the ass in this election (in terms of voter approval). That's one thing I like about this election cycle.

On a slightly different note, here's a really good video that shows what it is that he does, I think, better than anyone else. He should stick to this kind of thing.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CB1RJBuWYbA&feature=related

On yet another note, ever notice how incredibly perfect his speaking style is for putting to music? I've never seen anything quite like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 07:48 AM

Other commentators have already noted that actually Hillary's approach is the traditional "male" attitude--fight for everything. While Obama's is the "female" approach--build consensus.

No question which the country wants--and needs--now.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 08:42 AM

Good points, both Kat and Ron...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 09:28 AM

His appearence on the Daily Show last night was a perfect balance of humilty, humore and sincerety.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 09:43 AM

I don't think Hillary's being behind has as much to do with here being a woman as it does with her personality and her qualifications and lack thereof.

Will Michelle Obama be qualified for President in eight years? First lady experience is a very dubious claim. A lot of people gave her a break because of their familiarity with her. But she tried one major initiative in her first year, health care, and screwed it up so bad that she never tried another important thing in the following seven years.

Her criticisms of Obama don't work because they don't hold water. Being slick Willy's wife does not make you ready on day one. Throwing the kitchen sink at someone and throwing tantrums rather than discussing the issues rather than discussing the issues does not give one license to say "if you can't stand the heat." The fact is she was complaining about the coverage and the "piling on" for nearly a year, her campaign even produced an ad called piling on. Which brings me to the reason she is losing.

She keeps accusing Obama of having her own apparent weaknesses. She is just not the politician that her Husband or Obama. She simply does not have the required skills to be President. She has ridden her husband's skills a long way. She was 20 points ahead and had a huge financial lead when the race started. But she has to get that final step based on her own charm. The problem, she simply is not very charming.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 10:26 AM

the Daily Show got the finger thing right, then wrong, then the interviewed Obama, then they got the the finger thing right again.

go to www.thedailyshow.com. It will be up on the first page of their site untit the morning of April 23, not long after that it will be in their archives.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama Brushes Dirt Off His Shoulders
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 01:21 PM

SPeaking of shedding dirt that has been slung at Obama, here is a very rational, not to say wise, interview with Pastor Wright which shows in high relilef wehat a load of bollocks the right-wing-cum-Hillary hate campaign around him is.

It is heartbreaking to see so much antipathy being needlessly manufactured, as some sort of necessary coin of the political realm. Where on earth did we learn to hate so well?


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