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From: Amos
Date: 08 Jun 08 - 11:00 AM

Rig:

Go spit into the wind a bit. You'll feel better.


A

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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 08 - 05:43 PM

The rule seems to be that you don't count as a Muslim until at the age of puberty you formally declare that there is no God but God and that Muhammed is his prophet. That's fundamental, as in fundamentalist.

Fundamentalists might indeed think that it's a disgrace that the child of a man who was Muslim wasn't brought up so as to make such a declaration and become a Muslim, but that's quite a different matter.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Jun 08 - 06:54 PM

If we accept that Barack Obama is Muslim because his father was (questionable as that statemwent is), I think we also have to accept that barack Obama is an atheist. At least that is what his mother is reported as having been. And surely we wouldn't want to be sexist.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08???
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Jun 08 - 07:44 PM

Actually it would seem that fundamentalist Muslims and fundamentalist Atheists have the same line on this, which is basically that we are all naturally born set up to be Muslims/Atheists, but that our upbringing and so forth can screw us up so that we never recognise it, and make the necessary commitment to the true belief/unbelief that entitles us, and others to call us Muslims/Atheists.

And Barack failed to do so in respect of either of these belief systems.

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From: Skivee
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 02:38 AM

Obama/ Colin Powell

Just a thought

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From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 09:45 AM

Thank you for clearing that up, McGrath. :)

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 09:58 AM

LOL!!! You got it, McGrath. They all know exactly what everyone else ought to be and ought to believe and they're not shy about saying it.

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From: Peace
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:03 AM

Have I mentioned that IMO Obama will be next President of the United States? If not, allow me to make mention. Obama will be next President of the United States. Thank you.

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From: Kara
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:12 AM

St. Peter is at the Pearly Gates checking up on the people waiting to enter Heaven.



He asks the next one in line, "So, who are you, and what did you do on Earth?"



The fellow says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I was the first black to be elected President of the United States "



St. Peter says, "The U.S.? A black President? You gotta be kidding me! When did this happen?"



And Obama says, "About twenty minutes ago."

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From: kendall
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:19 AM

LOL

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From: Amos
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:45 AM

Grim, grim...


A

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From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:50 AM

I'd sure prefer that no one told those kind of jokes....and that 'speculation' of that sort would be kept quiet.

Fat chance, huh?

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From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 11:30 AM

I agree with you, Bill.

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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 02:40 PM

I can't see that jokes and speculation in any way make it more likely to happen. Or less likely.

It's as well to appreciate that in running for President, Obama has in a real sense put himself in the firing line, and must have known that - in the same way that Bobby Kennedy must always have known there was a real chance of a second Kennedy assassination. It takes guts to do that.

That doesn't mean assuming it's going to happen, in a fatalistic way, but obviously it's a possibility.

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jun 08 - 03:58 PM

Speaking of that, was anybody ever able to come up with a motive for that Sirhan Sirhan character?

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From: DougR
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 01:20 AM

Obama and Hillary? Come on, Obama may not be the brightest bulb in the Democrat Party, but he's not that dim.

DougR

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From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 01:28 AM

Wow!! The measure of a good candidate....'Come on, Obama may not be the brightest bulb in the Democrat Party, but he's not that dim.'..Sure got me exited!!!

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From: GUEST,,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 01:41 AM

By the way..I was being facetious. Wasn't too sure if you got it, being as you might be the next to the dimmest bulb.......

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From: kendall
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 07:58 AM

Bill, I like black humor. So, I'm sick.

As I understand it, Ringslinger, Sirhan shot Kennedy because he had made some statement in support of Israel.

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From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 12:02 PM

There are some inner circles that speak of William Cohen as a good running mate.

The Popular views are Edwards or Clinton.

I on the other hand think a good life insurance for Barack might be a Dave Chappel or Lewis Black.

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 12:06 PM

Every American politician makes statements in support of Israel. It's one of the required rites of passage for those who wish to be elected in the USA.

Therefore Sirhan, by the going theory, could have shot any one of them. It's a shame he picked Bobby Kennedy, isn't it?

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From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 12:08 PM

The new movie 'Bobby' has a great speech by RFK at the end.

I will attempt to memorize it.

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From: Bill D
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 12:47 PM

'Black humor' on some relatively neutral subjects can be clever and funny.

I just don't care for 'light' views in a ***PUBLIC*** forum about some things. Whether it increases probability or not, it feels 'wrong'...to me.

Tell those jokes person-to-person, if at all. (not that my opinion will change anything)

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From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 01:24 AM

Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., who leads the Congressional Black Caucus, said:

"I asked them what type of person the senator is looking for? And they said in general someone who could help him rebuild the country ... talking about change. How we reinvest in America, get people back to work and reinforce our education system and bring the jobs back,"

That works for me.

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From: mg
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 01:38 AM

If foreign policy is strong elsewhere, which I presume it would be..I want a farmer. Schweitzer of Montana they say is an irrigation expert. Wouldn't that be nice in dealing with the Middle East situation, which is water as much as anything else. I like the idea of Sebelius,from a farm state..Edwards is very compatable but I would rather him for AG. Again, I want General Honore there somewhere...can we plan somehow for these multiple disasters? Can we rebuild not out of twigs and cardboard, high enough for floods, strong enough for hurricanes, sturdy against fire and mold...can we train our youth to be useful in skills that are needed..a few more electricians? Mechanics? Nurses? mg

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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 08:06 AM

Jimmy Carter would be a great Vice President. But I don't suppose he'd help get Obama elected, so he's out.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 09:29 AM

Sam Nunn is also on the list. I remember him from way back and there were a lot of good things. Here are a couple of linked paragraphs:

"He has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize multiple times for his work to increase global security and decrease nuclear, biological and chemical threats. He received the Hessian Peace Price in 2008 for his efforts towards nuclear disarmament and for combating nuclear terrorism."

"Many are saying that if Obama doesn't pick Nunn than he needs to pick someone like Nunn. The qualities he would bring to the ticket include national security credentials, an area of weakness for Obama. He is currently serving on Obama's foreign policy advisory group. The negatives for Nunn as a running mate include that he's been out of office for over ten years. He's a conservative democrat in contrast to Obama's far left leanings. Nunn has generally been diametrically opposite than Obama on issues. For instance, he supported prayer in school and opposed gays in the military."

?


http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=1623

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From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Jun 08 - 10:56 PM

If not Nunn, how about Webb?

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From: mg
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 12:41 AM

Webb supposedly has written something in a novel, which, if true, would make him such a lightning rod for controversy...if true, it is highly offensive to almost everyone. mg

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From: Amos
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 01:51 AM

Te biggest criterion is someone with whom Barack can work closely, and on whom he can rely without question, and who is ready to roll up his sleeves and sweat for eight years.

There is a remarkable amount of work to do.


A

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From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 09:44 AM

"He has written six best-selling novels from 1978 to 2001, his Web site says. His writings have largely focused on war and military storylines, influenced by things he experienced.

"The first quote describes a shirtless man picking up a naked boy who runs toward him. The book describes what happens after the man picks up the boy and turns him upside down. It comes from the 2001 book "Lost Soldiers."

"Webb responded Friday morning on Washington Post radio. "Let me explain what that was," he said. "I actually saw this happen in a slum of Bangkok and when I was there as a journalist. A man placing his lips on his son's private parts. ... And the duty of a writer is to illuminate the surroundings.

"There is nothing that's been in any of my novels that, in my view, hasn't been either illuminating surroundings or defining a character or moving a plot," Webb said.

"He added that he has "strong female characters" in his writings -- rejecting LaCivita's assertion that Webb's books portray women as "servile, subordinate and promiscuous."

"The Allen campaign included several passages aimed at supporting that argument, including graphic sexual depictions and a quote from the 1981 book "A Sense of Honor," describing the character "Nurse Goodbody" as "a bedtime friend to many of the doctors in Bethesda" who had hinted "that she simply could not contain herself."

"Webb told Washington Post radio that to pull excerpts from his writings "and force them on people, sort of, like pound them over the head with them," rather than having someone read the entire book "is just a classic example of the way this [Allen] campaign has worked. And you know, it's smear after smear."

"This is a Karl Rove campaign," Webb said, referring to President Bush's chief political strategist. "We have known this one was coming for quite some time."

Jim Webb, Novelist

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From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 11:41 AM

Anybody who thinks Webb endorses what he has written about in some of his novels should think again. As Ebbie notes, Webb saw himself as something of a reporter--and he had seen that revolting scene. Are reporters only to write on pleasant developments?    How many do now?

And if he is to be lynched for having written something about 30 years ago about how women can't fight--a subject on which he has changed his view--that's not reasonable either. No potential VP selection will be perfect.

He describes himself as a "redneck", occasionally carries a concealed pistol, and says poor whites are an "oppressed class". He can appeal to exactly the constituency McCain would most strongly appeal to.

With his 2 purple hearts, having pushed the recent GI bill for veterans, and being from the potential swing state of Virginia, he has many assets for Obama.

I would hope women would realize the crucial aspect of all this is the views of the person at the top of the ticket, not the VP. In fact that's the main issue--would Webb have any influence on potential McCain voters at all? He still might swing some Virginia voters--and turning Virginia blue seems to be within reach, especially with the electoral center of gravity continuing to shift towards Northern Virginia, as the population there increases.

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From: Bobert
Date: 21 Jun 08 - 12:39 PM

Believe me, Webb can take care of himself... He may congess to having some feminine writing qualities but I don't think there is another Senator who'd want to go 5 rounds with Webb behind the barn... He comes accross as a very tough...

When George Bush asked Webb how his son was Webb shot back something to the effect that it was none of Bush's business...

Yeah, I'd love to see the Swiftboaters go after Jim Webb... He would do what Kerry didn't do... He'd call 'um all friggin' liars and challenge each and every one of them to say to his face what they cowardly are saying in front of a camera...

Yeah, the more I think about Jim Webb, the more I like the idea of him playing the role of Obama's pet bit bull...

Bring it on...

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 12:45 PM

Bill D
Your personal verbal rules of ettiquet forbidding the reterating of black/Negro humor reminds of the politically correct people 30 years ago who insisted that WHITE people should under no circumstance repeat jokes by black humorists including Bill Cosby and other clever commentators "who happen to be black". "lol"

Whatever harm that may come from misunderstading among peoples who have endured great strife as a result of ethnic bias and predjudice, I believe that we all can share and repeat the words and ideas of all people - especaily when it humorously outlines the awful truth of the human condition.

To stand only upon the shoulders of your own race, color and creed is an antiquated and dihescent notion.

Object if you must but be objective enough to realize that artificial boundaries of communication based on the race of the speaker is absurd and in the ling view cause more harm than good.

Bill I am sure you had other intentions by your objection to black humor yet I am equally confident that you understand my belief in the universal power of truth especially when conveyed by humor.


haruumph harummph, mild applause...muffled tittering.

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From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 12:46 PM

typo correction :

regarding the 'reinterating'

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From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Jun 08 - 08:16 PM

Webb would be a very good choice for many reasons, one perhaps above all.   He calls himself a redneck who feels poor whites are an oppressed class. Picking him as VP would indicate that somebody with those attitudes is comfortable with Obama--and that Obama is comfortable with him.

Webb also has a very good record with NARAL--which Kaine, another possible Virginia choice, does not.

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From: GUEST,mg
Date: 23 Jun 08 - 03:51 PM

That is very important to undisenfranchise the poor of all races. he does not seem to match Obama though..I could see him somewhere else..defense, etc.

Richardson does not match.

I think Edwards matches, and would probably be the safest choice. I think Sebelius matches and would free up Edwards for AG, which would probably be a better use of his skills.

I really want someone who knows farming and energy. That would probably be Schweitzer. Sebelius vetoed a clean coal plant for her state...not sure I approve. SHe is my most instinctive choice. Webb for defense, Biden perhaps something...I don't think sec. state...maybe Richardson sec. state..don't know...

The bad news is we have lost our manufacturing somewhat..the good news is that we still have farmland..it needs zoning, diking, protection etc. We have unemployed people. We have farms who can not hire enough workers seasonally. Like gee..we have students. We need dormitories for them and clean facilities and transportation. Yes We CAN grow food again..and animals in good husbandry conditions. We can drink milk again and have grass fed goats and cows. I cut enough grass that could keep a goat for six months I bet out of just my yard. ...mg

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From: DougR
Date: 23 Jun 08 - 05:02 PM

GUEST, Guest from sanity: aw shucks, now you done gone and hurt my feelings.

How about Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin, Jane Fonda or Whoopie for a running mate?

If he chose Whoopie for his potential vp candidate and if elected, they would be the first Black president, vice-president and woman elected!

Worth thinking about.

DougR

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From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Jun 08 - 10:43 PM

Hey Doug, rather than let your imagination run wild on the Democratic ticket, how about Jindal for McCain's VP? Or Bloomberg?    Any strong feelings about either of these?   Or even weak feelings?

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 02:22 PM

The inspired choice for McCain would be Condoleeza Rice, in my opinion. Now that's a ticket I could vote against with real gusto, by golly!

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From: Amos
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 03:51 PM

Oooomy yes!! With Dick Cheny as their campaign manager, they can't go wrong (because they're so Right!).



A

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From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Jun 08 - 04:23 PM

...and soon there would be nothing much Left in the country to get upset about. Maybe nothing much left anywhere else either. A clean sweep.

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From: rehab13
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 11:38 AM

I have a label because my mom thought I had to have one to get in school. Pop said ok there is a church down the street get him to put water on her head there.It was between the Bay and Eaton's in Montreal.   Maybe that is why I love to window shop.. ha ha
pop loved the bible but but but he thought there was alot missing in the book. but it worked he said, for some .....Hawk I have been saying for a longtime   WHAT If the guys who put up the money to print the bible were alot like Bush and the big C {cancer]and took out what they did not like put in what they did.I think they Knew that most people do not think too much. Pop said city people were like sheep .... and the last thing they would do is be responsible for anything    but bible says    Thou mayst SO make your bed and instead of lieing in it   quick   find someone to BLAME   HA HA    HAWK YOU ARE RIGHT    WE ARE AS FREE AS WE WANT TO BE.
I say there is a price for everything must be willing to pay it,but hell we are not getting out of here alive. haha

It is all ok Bob Dylan told us God's on our side and we will have to serve somebody I will serve God and my personal truth.
" bible did not save me much did it mostly by myself" great writer wrote that          dee

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Jul 08 - 10:44 PM

"If the guys who put up the money to print the bible were alot like Bush and the big C..."


                              That's an interesting concept. I've never much thought about the people who put up money to print the Bible.

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From: rehab13
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 02:58 PM

Yes and the great writer was Peace

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From: Riginslinger
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 04:14 PM

I didn't realize Peace had written the Bible. You've got to wonder if King James paid the proper royalties.

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From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 08 - 06:54 PM

It just occurs to me that the best fit for Obama is Joe Biden. Lots of reasons but tops among them is his knowledge and familiarity with foreign policy. Because of the process of presidential campaigning he is already well vetted. Not likely to be many unexamined skeletons in his closet.

He also has experience with domestic affairs and has been effective on many fronts.

From his website:


"Over the last thirty-four years, Senator Biden has shown prescience and leadership on the most critical issues facing Delaware and our country. From his instrumental role in passing the bipartisan initiative to create a Commission on Civil Rights in 1983, to introducing the 1986 Global Climate Protection Act, to establishing an annual National Mammography Awareness Day, and to authoring the Rail Security Act of 2007 to regulate the transportation of hazardous materials on American railways, Senator Biden consistently works to tackle America's toughest challenges."

His age is also a plus for Obama. Old enough to offset Obama's comparative youth, young enough to be in stark contrast with McCain.

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From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 06:48 AM

It appears Webb has taken his name off the list.   What about Nunn?   Any strong feelings against him? It seems evident, as Ebbie notes, that Obama needs someone to beef up the ticket on foreign policy and military issues. I've also read that the only major piece of legislation with Obama's name on it so far is the Lugar-Obama Initiative--which supports Lugar (and Nunn) in the push to destroy loose nuclear material in the former Soviet Union-- an issue which is in fact the greatest security threat in the world. Nunn now "chairs the Nuclear Threat Insitute".

Lugar is evidently unacceptable because of his generally conservative voting record, including anti-abortion stands. Nunn is pro-choice and strong on the environment, and opposed the Iraq war from the start.

Nunn supported "Don't ask, don't tell", which he now says he would "review"--and he says "I'm grateful to the thousands of gays and lesbians serving today."   If nominated he would have to quit the Augusta National Golf Club since it does not admit women. But it seems these hurdles could be overcome--and Nunn would bring much to the ticket--even more than Biden.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama/____________ '08???
From: Ron Davies
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 08:14 AM

"Institute"

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From: Bobert
Date: 10 Jul 08 - 08:31 AM

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