BS: Its' official Bush is a moron

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: NicoleC
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 12:22 PM

Well, GUEST, I don't think anyone wants to invite Al Qaida to a peace summit. One need not meet all the demands of a radical fringe in order to stabalize the region, or at least get it on that track. Al Qaida simply won't survive in any meaningful way if the region develops a more friendly attitude toward the west and they can't gain new recruits.

As for the leverage I mentioned, there are legal precendents for economic embargoes. But it'd really be best to avoid that kind of thing since it hurts Americans, too. For our erstwhile allies, withdrawing military aid alone could be a powerful incentive.

It's true that corporations like the Carlyle Group routinely break the law and deal with countries and people with whom it's illegal. But it's also true that we don't make any attempts to investigate or punish those companies which do, and frequently reward them with government contracts. Cleaning up corruption and crime starts at home.

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 01:55 PM

MAKE THE PIE HIGHER
By George W. bush

I think we all agree, the past is over
This is still a dangerous world
It's a world of madmen and uncertainty
and potential mental losses

Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the internet
become more few?

How many hands have I shaked?
They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg
of opportunity.
I know that the human being
and the fish can coexist

Families is where our nation finds hope
where our wings take dream
Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!

Vulcanize society!

Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher!

Composed by a Washington Post journalist of
actual bush quotes

Sung by Joan Baez in concert

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Amos
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 02:01 PM

If we could start a Carlyle scandal, it owuld do a lot to make the Burning Bush pull in his horns some, wouldn't it?

Love to see the expose on that one!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 02:10 PM

My exact point, Amos, about how the media is asleep at the wheel. And where do all these arms that folks are using against each other and us come from? The good ol' US of A. Yeah, they set up a number of dummy corporations and play the pea under the shell game but the US is the No. 1 supplier of the world's supply of arms.

Might of fact, many of the bullets that will rip thru our kids bodies when Junior attacks will have "Made in the USA" all over 'em.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Amos
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 03:30 PM

A pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity, indeed!! LOL!! Thanks for the grin, Jaze!!


A

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: GUEST,jaze
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 03:56 PM

I'm sure that line alone will go down in infamy!

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 04:23 PM

"I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity." Who, among his illustrious writers, do you suppose wrote that gem?? I mean, that's more than just a mangle.

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Amos
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 04:25 PM

I would say, judging from the quality, that it was a piece of native rather than imported code...

A

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: NicoleC
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 05:07 PM

Well, I like it. Both images suit him. Neither one very complimentary...

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Amos
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 07:13 PM

Did this show up around here yet?

Sung to the tune "If You're Happy And You Know It Clap Your Hands"


If we cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets hurt your Mama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are Saudi
And the bank takes back your Audi
And the TV shows are bawdy,
Bomb Iraq.
 
If the corporate scandals growin', bomb Iraq.
And your ties to them are showin', bomb Iraq.
If the smoking gun ain't smokin'
We don't care, and we're not jokin'.
That Saddam will soon be croakin',
Bomb Iraq.
 
Even if we have no allies, bomb Iraq.
From the sand dunes to the valleys, bomb Iraq.
So to hell with the inspections;
Let's look tough for the elections,
Close your mind and take directions,
Bomb Iraq.
 
While the globe is slowly warming, bomb Iraq.
Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq.
If the ozone hole is growing,
Some things we prefer not knowing.
(Though our ignorance is showing),
Bomb Iraq.
 
So here's one for dear old daddy, bomb Iraq.
From his favorite little laddy, bomb Iraq.
Saying 'no' would look like treason.
It's the Hussein-hunting season.
Even if we have no reason,
Bomb Iraq

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 07:26 PM

Yer amazing, Amos, bomb Iraq...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: DougR
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 12:44 AM

Bobert: you have the weirdest ideas. Do you live at a unusually high altitude there in West Virginia?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Troll
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 01:09 AM

Yeah Bobert, I was around in the 60's and 70's and I remember the reports and documentaries etc. They appeared like mushrooms in a cow pasture after a good rain and disapeared about as fast as hash brownies at a love-in to make way for the next "scandal of the week".And in many cases they were forgotten in the rush to scoop the opposition. There was no follow-up. It was tabloid journalism at its finest.
And because we no longer have that kind of sensationalism, investigative reporting is dead?R.I.P.
And just who are the billions in PR t be spent on? Saddam?
I can see it now..."Attend the Emergency Peace Summit next month. All the best dictators will be there! Don't want Kim Il Jung to think you aren't with it? Come to the Emergency Peace Summit!"
Yeah! That ought to work just fine.
Refuse to sell or buy from them? Someone else will step in to meet the demand. Witness France and Iraq.
I realize that some will say that this is refusing to "think outside the box", But I think it's simply a bad idea. I don't have to eat an entire egg to know if it's bad or not . One bite will usually suffice.
Come up with a good, concrete plan to bring all the parties togetherand I'll concede that you may have something.
In fact, I'll even give you a starter. How about "Be at the summit next month or we will turn your capital into a slag heap thereby removing you and yours from the equation."
A trifle extreme perhaps but it gives you a baseline of sorts.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 04:44 AM

Nicole, As long as there are nations within the region (Iran & Iraq) that refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, then any peace summit is doomed to fail, because you have no starting point for any negotiation or compromise.

As for Al-Qaeda, they are the ones who, if the letter states their case succinctly, desire the destruction of the United States but also the overthrow of many of the governments of countries in the middle east. Al-Qaeda, Hizbolla, et al, will not simply go away - that is why they have to taken on.

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: GUEST,daylia
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 09:34 AM

Amos - great parody! Really gave me a chuckle ... it SOOOOO moronic!

Thanks - daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 12:15 PM

It is not necessary that every nation agree at the same time to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. A peace summit simply needs to take a step towards that goal. If the Palestinian Authority made believable and enforceable agreements to try to control terrorism, that would be a very good start.

As for Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah, they will go away when they no longer have support, not when anyone associated with them is sitting in a jail in Cuba.

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Troll
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 12:36 PM

Lurker, you speak as though Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah were entities unto themselves. They are not. They are organizations made up of individuals and as long as any of those individuals remains at large they present a danger.
Their "patrons" if you will, simply allow them to conduct world-wide operations. Their existance is not dependent on these patrons; they only increase the extent of the carnage.
As long as a few people beileve in their goals, organizations like Al-Qaeda will exist and be dangerous.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 01:32 PM

Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah are organizations formed around misery and alienation. Surely we as world citizens and international peace keepers can initiate compassionate change all over the world. The first step, is to stop picking fights...IMHO... When it is said that "pride precedeth a fall", I would be found thinking of arrogance and self-righteous behavior. Are we smart enough to admit how moronic our foriegn policy appears these days? Or, are we so moronic that even the thought that we might be "setting a bad example"... makes us lash out with spiteful violence?;^) ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: DougR
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 03:05 PM

TTR: When you ask, "Are we so moronic, ...our foriegn policy moronic ...etc.," are you suggesting that moronic is the norm? If so, GWB being a moron would not be so bad would it? *G*

Troll: Bobert and others have been on this "Summit" jag for quite awhile. As though there haven't been joint meetings up the kazoo between Israel and the Palestinians already with absolutely no satisfactory result. The fact that many of the leaders who would be invited to attend would not even sit down a the same table together has nothing to do with it. They just should, that'a all, or so Bobert and his followers seem to think. Keep in mind, though, that Bobert suffers from a high altitude malady and it affects his thought process. *G*

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 06:46 PM

Hiya DougR! I feel nervous brandishing the term moronic, yet, since the thread is all about it, I've simply incorporated it into a 'snake eating it's tail' metephor... I am not in any way saying or implying that everyone is moronic... It seems you took my words out of context, and did your own little spin. Could you do me a favor, Doug..., would you please reread my previous post? Then, instead of simply having a little 'duck shoot' with it,... maybe try to find the good hearted meaning that I know is contained therein... Thanks, and Happy Holidays! ttr

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Bobert
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 07:25 PM

ttr: Ya gotta forgive, Doug. His lexdexia kicks in arounf the holidays and it renders him incapible of *actual reading*. Yeah, he looks at a page of words and only sees a handfull of 'em. Worse yet, he won't ake his meds! Bad Dougie... Bad...

Speaking of being off the meds, troll has forgotten to take his memory pills again. He thinks that the 60's documentaries were merely "sensationalistic" and *tabloidish* as compared to today, where investigative reporting has been fine tuned into an art. Give me a break, troll. No one, other than perhaps you, sees it that way. Don't believe me? Start you a thread entitled "Contempory Investigative Reporting by the American Press". Not only do they not report much news any more but it is so squewed toward the right.

I'm sure that you have no respect for Walter Cronkite but I heard him a couple of years ago talking about just this. He mentioned that news has moved toward "entertainment" and talked about the difficulties that they had in the 60's paring down *real news* into the 20 some minutes they have to do their half and hour segment.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Troll
Date: 06 Dec 02 - 11:42 PM

Bobert, I recieved my degree in Journalism from the University of Florida in 1969. I had then and have now a great deal of respect for Mr. Cronkite.I agree that the news has moved toward entertainment but television is not the only medium by which the news is disceminated. There is good, solid investigative reporting going on all the time in the print media.
I guess that the problem there is that too many people don't have the time to read anything but the sports page.
Radio and TV are passive as far as the listener/viewer is concerned. Print demands involvment and attention to detail.
There was much good reporting in the 60's and 70's but there was a lot that was garbage;just like it is today. The problem is, Bobert, that they aren't investigating the things you want to see investigated, and, when they do, they aren't arriving at the conclusions you would like to see.
Therefore, your claim that,aside from Pacifica, there is no investigative reporting anymore.
That couldn't be because Pacifica caters to your biases could it?
NAH.

troll

BTW, I don't take memory pills. I do, however, take medication for both severe depression and a mild bi-polar condition. And they take care of our problem nicely, thank you!

troll *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 06:36 PM

troll: Well,you are right in accusing me of having biases. I own up to them, but I don't have (and you have not accused me of having) prejudges. I scour the Washington Post dialy and also skim thru the right winged Washington Times.

My point is that a lot of what is written depends on Press releases and press conferences and "unidentified sources within the_________ (fill in you own agency). The governemnt should not hold the position of *producing* the bulk of the news thru their actions with the media. That's lazy on the media's part...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: NicoleC
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 04:12 PM

Troll, I agree about the quality of print media vs. TV and radio, but I don't think that folks don't have time to read anything but the sports page, I think they don't make the time. If you look at the TV ratings, every night there's a whole lotta TVs turned on and brains turned off by people who insist that they don't have time -- time to cook, time to shop, time to spend with their family, time to go to church or work at a local charity...

I Do see, occassionally, some great investigative reporting, but it's rare. When it comes to the government though, the press usually chooses to only report, unquestioningly, that that comes out of the mouth of Ari Fleisher. Investigation the government just doesn;t happen, and while investigative journalism on the content of diapers may be important to some folks, I think that the biggest value of a free press comes from informing citizens about the governemnt they vote, or are being askedto vote, for.

It's not a GWB problem because it's been growing for years, but it has certainly gotten a lot worse lately.

Fascinating article here on radio programming:
Talking Back to Talk Radio

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Thomas the Rhymer
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 04:48 PM

...and why do americans enlist to their fancies...
with sit-coms and violent sexy romancies?
It's sad, but it's simple, said a teen pinching pimple;
Problems predicted presenting no chancies...

...so where is the hope that all people can cherish?
with happier joyousness rich but not garish...
In attics and basements, wings waiting replecements
Who've learned how to love through the bullisly bearish...

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 06:21 PM

From the Calgary Herald, Letters to the Editor, Dec. 8, 2002:

"I guess choosing the word "moron" to describe George Bush was probably a little undisciplined, but give Francoise Ducros a break; she was probably tired and searching for an efficient term.
It is quicker to say "moron" than it is to say, "war-mongering, anti-environment, big money-loving, isolationist, pompous, civil rights-steamrolling, dictatorial, imperialistic, anit-intellectual, silver-spoon-sucking, 'compassionate conservative,' cowboy simpleton."

Too bad the writer included cowboy, but otherwise he is right on.

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Dec 02 - 07:58 PM

Ahhh, GUEST, I'm gonna have to question the "compassionate conservative" for Junior is neiter. He has no compassion. None. There is only one person in the world that he cares about and that is "himself". And he is the most "liberal" politcian in modern times, in that he want to *change* so many things. Conservative, on the other hand, have respect for the status quo. Junior has no need for the status quo, None. Might of fact, he is on record of saying something along the lines that he'd be happy if he were just a dictator. Yeah, he laughed afterwards but folks don't say that lind of stuff if it hasn't crossed their minds...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Amos
Date: 09 Dec 02 - 12:39 AM

Gail Sheehey diagnosed Bush as dyslexic. He later went on record as saying "The woman who knew I had dyslexia -- I never interviewed her."    I pretty dyslexic rebuttal, actually.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: DougR
Date: 09 Dec 02 - 09:02 PM

Bobert! Take your medication!

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Its' official Bush is a moron
From: Amos
Date: 09 Dec 02 - 10:53 PM

DougR !!!

Time for your stimulants!!!

A