BS: RosieO'Donnell&WillieNelson on 9/11

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:45 AM

Little Hawk,

I just noticed you have already started to help us... THEM.

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Subject: RE: BS: In every thread someone has to be last!
From: Little Hawk - PM
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 07:02 PM

George Bush is an alien who has been planted on Earth to destroy western civilization. Paris Hilton is another. The question is, which one is the greater threat?
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Keep letting them know the truth- the more we tell them, the less they will believe it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:46 AM

Actually, Froth is just an old nut case that has been here a long time. Still just as nuts as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:47 AM

I think Froth spends too much time in the tar paper shack. She needs to get out more and talk to real people.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 12:57 PM

I want some of what he/she's been on.
Second thoughts, I'd rather stay sane.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:18 PM

Froth is just an old nut case that has been here a long time. Still just as nuts as ever.

The first handle I recollect was "dreaded guest" and some plain GUEST posting before that.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:27 PM

No point telling you people about the time I had crabs. BUT, something I read a few weeks back said that crabs crossed to the human population from gorilas/gorrillas/gorellas/gori--big monkeys. I will say here and now, THAT ain't how I got them. Anyway, if you see LH around, tell him to watch his friggin' chimp Chongo.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:31 PM

You folks sound downright paranoid. Seems I've seen a few guests around here, and they couldn't all be me. I guess it makes you feel more secure to attribute all dissenting voices to one individual.

But back to the issue at hand. The government needs to prove its case. That hasn't been done.

Several of the men the U.S. govt "Final, Official Report" of 9/11 accuses of doing the hijackings are still alive. They're still alive. Let me repeat...they're still alive.

With a starting point like that, I would say the proof of burden is on the government to prove it's case, and not on common sensical people to disprove.

So let's start at the beginning. Why are some of the hijackers still alive? And don't give the "incompetence" or "confusion" or "fog of war" crap as a response. The govt was 100% sure the 19 men named did the deed. 7 announced their life immediately after being named, but a few have met with "mysterious" deaths since, so I don't know what the live count is at the moment, but tell me how those live individuals could be in two places at one time.

This will be in the "Hijackers" section of your govt response manual, Olesko.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:36 PM

Thanks for the post Froth.   Need I say anything more? You accurately proved the points I made earlier.

You can't hide from your own paranoia and your false sense of reality. You are either a troll or need serious help. Best of luck to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:44 PM

"You folks sound downright paranoid."

Don't lead with your chin . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:50 PM

You can't address the hijacker issue, Olesko. That's how phony your whole stance is. It can't even answer one question honestly.

Some of the "19 men with boxcutters" are still alive, people. Since Olesko won't do the research he knows will verify this, do it yourself. The whole govt story of what happened on 9/11 is a lie. The govt media hit you upside the head with fear-based conditioning during the week following 9/11, and now the govt feels it doesn't even have to account for little details like the fact that some of the "hijackers" are still alive.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:57 PM

Froth - I'd be very interested to hear where you stand on two different issues:

The moon landing: Real event or faked?

The Kennedy Assasination: Single gunman or conspiracy?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:11 PM

Keep it up Froth, you are your own worst enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:18 PM

"Some of the "19 men with boxcutters" are still alive, people. Since Olesko won't do the research he knows will verify this, do it yourself. The whole govt story of what happened on 9/11 is a lie."

OK, you caught me... I mean, THEM. All the hijackers were really Martian clones traveling under fake passports. And we ... THEY teleported the engines of the AA airliner into the Pentegon, as well as all the other parts, after hypnotizing the drivers on US 395 into thinking that the purple flying saucer was really an airliner.

One photon torpedo was all it took!

Now, just keep telling everyone, so that our.. THEIR plan of thermonuclear war to cool the earth will be successful.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:30 PM

Still all busily rolling along, are we?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:33 PM

merrily

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:36 PM

Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is but a dream.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:39 PM

Oh, by the way, here's my vote on those other 2 things...

Moon landing: Real, not faked.

John Kennedy assassination: more than one gunman involved, Oswald may well have been one of them, fatal shot probably fired from ahead of motorcade from grassy knoll area. Well-organized high-level conspiracy? Yes. Involving whom? Possibly the Mafia, possibly various US government operatives (CIA? FBI?), or possibly the Cubans (either Castro's or ours)...or possibly various combinations of the above. Will we ever know for sure? Not a dog's chance in hell. So there's really little use discussing it, unless you just can't resist doing so. ;-)

And the same applies to the subject of this thread, I'm afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:42 PM

Moon Landing - consipiracy
Kennedy - real, not faked

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:43 PM

BS: One compelling reason for a god? 168* d 03 Apr 07 - 02:37 PM   
BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11            266* d 03 Apr 07 - 02:36 PM   
Origins: Merrily We Roll Along          6 03 Apr 07 - 02:35 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:45 PM

sounds like a conspiracy among the threads, but you are missing the one about Alpha Waves

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:45 PM

Ron,

"Moon Landing - consipiracy"


Hardly! If it had been faked we... THE Martians would not have needed to move all the bases to the back side of the moon.

So there!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:47 PM

I never said it was faked. It was a government consipiracy that sent a man to the moon.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:58 PM

Not so, Ron! A conspiracy, by definition, must be hidden from public knowledge. It was openly declared as early as John Kennedy's administration that the government had an intention to put a man on the moon. Therefore, it was not a conspiracy.

Hmmm. But maybe that's why they killed Kennedy. He let the cat out of the bag about the moon landing conspiracy...

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:02 PM

"A conspiracy, by definition, must be hidden from public knowledge"

Screw definitions! Let's not get anal about things. We make our own rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:05 PM

But...I thought that being anal was a requirement around here...

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:07 PM

From what I'm seeing, it appears to be!!

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:12 PM

That's just what I thought. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:21 PM

and we are members!!! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:25 PM

It's a heady feeling, isn't it? The exclusivity. The sense of being among the "in group", the people who really count in this world. The freedom to be anal all the livelong day with no consequences...

You, me, Bearded Bruce...we're lucky people, Ron. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:40 PM

I've never felt like part of an "in-group" in any facet of my life. I do feel very lucky though.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:41 PM

Sorry to interrupt, but I have a serious question. WHO is Rosie O'Donnell? She some sort of news person? Talk show hostess?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Wesley S
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:06 PM

I think she started as a standup comic - then an actress, then she head her own talk show that got good ratings. Now she's on a talk show by Barbara Walters called the View. Also an outspoken gay activist.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:06 PM

She is an actress/talk show host. She was in the movie "A League of their Own" with Madonna. She can be very funny.   She hosted her own talk show for a number of years before giving it up, and now she is one of the members of The View, a daily talk show on ABC-TV.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:21 PM

So Rosie O'Donnell is an actress, comedienne, and talk show hostess, huh? Heck, if that qualifies someone to be an expert on 9/11 let's find out what Joan Rivers' thoughts on the subject are.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:23 PM

Joan can give you her opinion on what the hijackers were wearing.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:42 PM

Thank you all. LH used to joke about having a blow-up doll of her. I never thoght to ask him who she was/is.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:58 PM

You think he was joking??

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:22 PM

Bee-Dub, if it's okay for you to ridicule Rosie O'Donnell for being self-important enough to publicly express an opinion on 911 (the NERVE of the woman!)...is it okay for me to ridicule you for the same failing?

Or are you more reliable a source than Rosie? Could it be that if she agreed with you about 911, she would suddenly be seen as far more reliable in every way?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 08:57 PM

Ho-hum. My purpose on this thread was only to put O'Donnell's actions on the record, for later reference. Then it turned into yet another disinformation attempt by people citing bogus "facts" I disproved to my own satisfaction long ago.

The links below are the real deal. Literal rocket scientists telling you the truth of 9/11:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html
http://patriotsquestion911.com/media.html
http://911proof.com/11.html
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b43926.html
http://physics911.net/
http://st911.org/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/newsarchive/
http://www.911weknow.com/

Look up an online movie called "911 mysteries" and watch it, then you'll understand why 80-90% of Americans think the US govt is not telling the truth about Sept 11.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:02 PM

You don't go be make a fish bark just by calling it a dog. Where'd ya get the 80-90 figure from? FAWK. If those numbers are correct, then this is the first time in my life I've had a 'political' opinion that agrees with the majority. I am tickled taupe.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:30 PM

Little Hawk, you may ridicule me for anything you wish and it's no skin off my ass.

And I did not "ridicule Rosie O'Donnell for being self-important enough to publicly express an opinion on 911". If I'm ridiculing anything it's the celebrity-addicted culture that holds the opinions of famous people in higher regard than those who may be far more knowledgeable but less well known. People tend to put their critical-thinking skills on hold when ideas are presented by the famous.

And if Ms O'Donnell's opinions coincided 100% with my own it would make no difference. I'd still want to know what Joan Rivers thinks.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:58 PM

Well, Joan Rivers is one person whose opinion I never want to hear, regardless of what it is... ;-)

The only value to being a celebrity is this: people are a lot more likely to listen to you than to someone they haven't heard of before. That can be good or that can be bad. Depends on what you've got to say. It's a mixed blessing, in other words.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 10:26 PM

Peace, she is making up figures that are like the fact she has pointed to. If I gave Froth a list of websites that disprove her facts, she would call me a government plant and say everything is a coverup. You can't argue with that type of twisted logic. Froth has her mind made up and the rest of us do not matter. More power to her.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 10:56 PM

back there 40-50 silly posts ago, bobad posted this link to the **EXPERT** explanation of what happened to the Twin Towers. Which of you conspiracy theorists bothered to read it? It is detailed, it is clear, it is compelling...it is filled with FACTS. It is not about just deciding to believe or 'trust' someone, Little Hawk, it is about looking at real evidence and science and realizing that there ARE good reasons to accept that those building collapses were just as explained, no matter HOW many speculations you can concoct about how various political/financial/religious/cultural zealots 'might' have had a hand in it!!!!

Yeah...I AM getting royally pissed at this stupidity being propagated and repeated...like the idea the Holocaust 'didn't really happen'.

You KNOW me....I argue a lot, but I seldom get actually angry....but I can feel the smoke rising from my ears...and it ain't no plot.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 11:18 PM

Bill,

I read that when you posted it a while back--to my knowledge, Bobad's is the second posting of that link. (I think it was by you, anyway.) What Eager and Musso describe is a way the buildings could have collapsed without there being other things involved. It is elegant. And possible. But it is not necessarily the whole story.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 12:56 AM

The White House declassified and released Saturday the daily intelligence briefing delivered to President Bush a month before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

The declassified intelligence report said the FBI had detected "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/bush.briefing/index.html

Sound familiar? After years of stonewalling, the Bush cabal was forced to release that memo. It was like a roadmap of what was about to happen.

Maybe we should all quit pretending to be experts in fields we're not and discuss something we all DO have some knowledge about--who did what when. We should be looking at things like Condoleeza Rice releasing that memo. Years of saying "we had no idea," then she casually produces the thing. And now people are discussing steel melting points, but we've just let Rice's admission that they were forewarned slide down the memory hole.

It's almost as if we're meant to focus on the unprovable technical aspects of the crime so we won't look at the provable human aspects.

What CAN be proven about 9/11 is that there is an ongoing government coverup regarding the event. It began with former prosecutor Guiliani (who as a prosecutor knew better), intentionally tainting a crime scene in order to get the WTC steel onto boats bound for China as fast as possible. The coverup continues today under the guise of gag orders and court-blocked legal proceedings.

So instead of speculating on HOW 9/11 was carried out, maybe we should be asking who's benefitting from 9/11? Who had motive, means and opportunity? Who demonstrated criminal intent before, during and after the crime? Who exhibited "criminal demeanor" before and after the crime, and during the coverup "investigations"? Looking at those points will tell you who the perpetrators were. The Cavemen of Tora Bora did not aim their flintlock muskets at the West and force Dick Cheney to make NORAD stand down.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:11 AM

Okay, Bill, I read the article. It's interesting. It proposes a fairly plausible sounding theory of, as Peace says, one possibility of what might have happened, but certainly not the only possibility. It does not in any way explain what can plainly be seen in a number of videos of the buildings collapsing...concentrated, very localized jets of smoke and debris bursting horizontally out of previously undamaged floors considerably below the point of the collapsing sections above, sometimes WAY below them....well ahead of the collapse wave. Those powerful, very surgical looking lateral bursts of smoke and debris suggest to me...secondary explosions, such as are typically seen in many controlled demolitions of buildings...explosions intended to take out key structural points and permit the demolition to proceed in a rapid and symmetrical manner. Your article makes no mention of what I can plainly see with my own eyes in live film taken on that day. Funny that they don't, I think! It gives no recognition to many firefighters, police, reporters, and many civilian witnesses on that day who testified (and can be heard doing so on live news reports on 911) to both seeing and hearing numerous large secondary explosions in parts of the buildings far from the area hit by the planes (even in the basement, for heaven's sake). Were they all too stupid to be reliable or were they all lying on behalf of a vast civilian conspiracy to implicate the government? I don't think so. It also gives no explanation of why or how Building 7 collapsed neatly into its footprint, just like a controlled demolition, despite the fact that it had not suffered major structural damage or extensive fires, while buildings 5 & 6 did suffer major structural damage and extensive fires, yet did not collapse. They were both "pulled" in officially sanctioned control demolitions months later. You can see that on film too. The means is there to bring a modern steel frame building down in seconds, and you can see it...both unofficially (on 911) and officially months later (on buildings 5 & 6).

Go ahead and get mad because I don't think your theory is the only good one out there and the only one worth respecting. I don't care if you get mad about it. We all get mad about one thing or another that somebody else says on this forum.

Just think how mad you'd be if you were there on that day and SAW or HEARD something to make you think that there were bombs planted in the building, and you lost loved ones there...and NO ONE in the media will give you the time of day about it now.

That's mad, Bill. You could get a lot madder than you are now, believe me.

And I'm not saying I know...I'm just saying you don't know either. We are both dependent on second or third hand information from this witness or that witness...this expert or that expert...this article or that article.   We don't know, Bill. We theorize as best we can, based on second and thirdhand information from people who may well have some ax to grind that you or I don't know about either.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: GUEST,Froth
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:26 AM

Bldgs 5,6 & 7 are the key. No way to sidle around what happened there. It is as you say, Little Hawk. 5 & 6 should have fallen if 7 did.

Video evidence of demolition signs are also plentiful. Also telling, on the video front, is that NYC police were ordered to collect all recording devices (cameras, video cameras, tape recorders). Ostensibly it was to "gather evidence," but in reality those things were just swallowed up and forgotten. Criminal demeanor, on orders from whom?

Pressure needs to be brought to bear on the worst offenders. I'm going to start urging these high-profile people to sponsor their own investigations into 9/11. There are thousands of scientists, cops, analysts, military experts, etc., who would attend an impartial investigation. And include surviving family members on the panel that hears the evidence. Someone like Mark Cuban (billionaire who is going to finance the new Loose Change movie) might foot the bill if he thought it would boost ticket sales.

An independent investigation, by Americans, is the only thing that will blow the lid off things.

What do you think about that? Good idea? Bad?

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Peace
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:29 AM

Any investigation that doesn't involve government would be welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Rosie O'Donnell & 9/11
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:40 AM

Excellent idea, Froth. But think how angry Bill will get. He may stop talking to me soon... ;-)