BS: Blair the hypocrite

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: GUEST,Barry (where's my cookie gone)
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 04:12 AM

"there is no conflict between Iran and The United Kingdom"

Then what do you call this?
They are part of the heart & soul of the MidEast, you are thinking as a westerner.

T, world opinion is not that big of a concern to them, mid east opinion is far more important though. If they come out of this, say with as little as a fixed & final border they'll be coming out smelling like roses. If it backfires, well thats a different story.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 04:03 AM

A politician a hypocrite?
Surely not!
Gosh I am surprised.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: dianavan
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 03:58 AM

Has it ever occurred to you, teribus, that there is nothing stopping Iran from backing out of the treaty? In fact, it has been said that this hostage incident is just a front so that they can back out quietly while everyone is focussed on the hostages.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: Teribus
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 03:47 AM

"Its the best PR they've (The Iranian Government) had in ages!"

Only with regard to domestic consumption - internationally its a disaster for Iran, already partially isolated over their flagrant disregard for the terms and conditions of an international treaty that they willingly signed and agreed to abide by, this latest escapade has managed to further tip the balance of world opinion against them.

"Blair looks like he's out of control. What a sniveling whimp!"

I would say that in all appearances made so far Tony Blair and the British Government representatives have shown remarkable restraint. Compare their words and body language to what is coming out of Tehran, which has mostly been all threat and bluster.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: dianavan
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 03:08 AM

Blindlemonsteve - It is you who are missing the point.

How does the U.S. and Britain treat hostages compared to how Iran is treating these hostages?

Its a matter of human decency.

I'd say they look to be in fine shape and thats exactly what Iran wants us to see. It shows the world that Iran is not as inhumane as the western invaders. Its the best PR they've had in ages!

Blair looks like he's out of control. What a sniveling whimp!

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 02:55 AM

Everyone seems to be missing the point here, there is no conflict between Iran and The United Kingdom, so why are we bleeting on about the way a few bad apples have treated prisoners in Abhu Grahib, this has absolutely nothing to do with Iran. it is fair to compare the way that the Al Quaida cells look after theyre detainees, and as bad as a few immoral pictures are concerned, or having to wear orange overalls 24/7 i would prefer this to having my head hacked off in the name of Alla.
as stated before, this is an argument between 2 military factors, it has nothing to do with Guantanamo, Abhu Grahib, Al Quaida etc etc. the iranian military are showing themselves up to be 2nd rate, amateurish and embarrassing for the Iranian people. I dont know what the state of play at the moment is, but i suspect they had better be thinking of releasing them very soon. As they will find out exactly how professional certain departments of the British Army are. I think a more fair comparison of how our troops behave in this sort of manner would be to look at how the Iraqi "Soldiers" not terrorist suspects. were treated as the invasion began. or in 1991, when the Iraqis were surrendering in theyre thousands.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 12:47 AM

dianavan
You are 100% correct!

Do you think that the US would put up photo's of the detainees (not POW'S) at Guantanamo or abhu Grahib in the condition that we put them in. NOT. If they had we wouldn't had to have suffered the embrassment of what we did to them in the first place, they would've been exposed right from day one. Tony has brass balls to get huffy about this, the sniffling shit, his sailors look to be in fine shape & he should be happy that it's appearant that they are and not looking like the captaives of the US/UK. If I were one of the relitives I'd be tickled to see & know that they were in good shape, better shape than they would be if captive of their own. And who'd care about them admitting to any wrong doing. It certinally won't be held against them, not that anyone will believe that it was done of their free will. Pretty stupid to have had them do that anyway, IMO.

Tony needs to take a chill pill, better yet maybe he should offer himself up for their return, though it wouldn't be much of a sacrifice, maybe Bush & Blair would do the trick. No the 15 sailors are worth far more that those two.

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: dianavan
Date: 31 Mar 07 - 12:14 AM

Of course the confessions are bogus. I doubt if Iran thinks that Westerners believe any of it. I do believe that the Iranian people are probably eating it up (especially the sinful, cigarette smoking woman). Its called propaganda.

Blindlemonsteve - If the shoe was on the other foot, do you think Britain or the U.S. would refrain from humiliating their captives? They do more than humiliate. They out-source torture to gain their 'confessions'. We have seen enough of what they have done to hostages to know that Blair is far from righteous. Who does he think he is fooling? He is a bad actor. Period. Nobody is holding a gun to his head so whats his excuse?

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 07:10 PM

I would say that what the POWs were saying on TV was sign enough of them having been, well, coerced. I can't imagine the flower of the Royal fleet, and don't get me wrong, I have great admiration for those individuals' keeping it out of the shootin' war stage, so I mean that as a true compliment - I'd be proud as all getout of them if they were mine - anyway, I just can't see them saying those things willingly.
Anyone checked for eyeblink frequency, or is that too old-school? Aren't there prearranged signals for I'm OK/I'm not OK, anyway? I would assume the brass knows full well how they are being treated.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 05:24 PM

Dianavan, you show yourself up.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 04:58 PM

Dianavan, like yourself, i am no fan of Mr Blair, but i think you need to rethink your line in the hostage crisis, yes, there has been unfortunate mishappenings with individual behaviour in abhu Grahib. but, and this is the point, i am not aware of any conflict between the U.K and Iran. of all the unfortunate footage and pictures seen, i am not aware of any of them being of Iranian military personell. and you are right, Guantanamo bay is obviously no picnic, but i am not aware of any iranian military personell there either. this is a crisis between 2 bonafide military factors. this being the case, it is fair that the M.O.D and the British Government expect Iran to behave in a proffesional manner, not parade captured sailors and Marines to read manufactured transcripts to a tv camera. If it were Al Quaida who had kidnapped these people, then i would expect this kind of behaviour, but not from an apparently civilised country like Iran. I cant imagine that if the boot was on the other foot, Iranian soldiers/ sailors etc would have to read from manuscripts denouncing theyre government. Just my thoughts, but if Iran wants to step up to the line and show its military as unproffesional and amateurish, then lets hope that they never do get those nuclear weapons they are after. And, as i said before, i bet the M.O.D dont get the GPS equipment back.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 03:54 PM

well i think he's quite nice - but then I've been drinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 03:53 PM

I'll offer no argument against, dianavan.
I watched the "Queen" the other day, which is based on the time soon after he entered office, and I thought: What would he think now, watching "himself" as it were, in happier times, full of hope and promises, when his stock was running high... And look at him now. Not that I feel sorry for him, he earned his downfall, but I almost blushed on his behalf.

Subject: BS: Blair the hypocrite
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Mar 07 - 02:22 PM

This lastest hostage incident has, for the first time, made me look seriously at Tony Blair. Previous to this, I thought of him only as a "lapdog" for Bush. What a dispicable, blundering idiot he is!

I watch him complaining about the treatment of the British hostages and claiming that he is disgusted, but what does he think has been going on with outsourcing and the torture of prisoners captured by the U.S. and Britain? The videos and photos from Abu Grahib make the British hostages look like they're on a picnic. Compare that to the countless number of images of the imprisoned, tortured and dead that Britain has somehow justified. Where is outrage at U.S. actions?

I am sure the hostages are terrified, but they have not been photgraphed in sexual positions, or squatting in a hole like Saddam, or on their knees in orange jumpsuits and show no signs of being battered or tortured.

I have seen plenty of examples of people hiding behind self-righteous indignation but Tony Blair takes the cake. He looks more foolish everytime I see his act of moral outrage. He's as bad or worse than Bush.