BS: Alpha Wave Slavery

Subject: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 12:56 AM

The brainwaves:

DELTA brainwaves are in the 0.5 to 4 cycles per second range. This pattern is normally associated with very deep sleep and very deep meditation.

THETA brainwaves are in the range of 4 to 7 cycles per second. This pattern is associated with light sleep and deep rest.

ALPHA brainwaves are in the range of 7 to 12 cycles per second. This is a pattern which prevents concentration.

BETA brainwaves range from 13 to 27 cycles per second. These patterns allow us to analyze things and situations. Associated with alert mental activity.

GAMMA brainwaves operate above 27 cycles per second. Associated with hyperactivity or quick sudden bursts of physical activity.

While watching television, the brain appears to slow to a halt, registering low alpha wave readings on the EEG. This is caused by the radiant light produced by cathode ray technology [CRT, LCDs also?] within the television set [increases serotonin levels?]. Even if you're reading text on a television screen the brain registers low levels of activity. Once again, regardless of the content being presented, television essentially turns off your nervous system....

Psychophysiologist Thomas Mulholland found that after just 30 seconds of watching television the brain begins to produce alpha waves, which indicates torpid (almost comatose) [slow] rates of activity. Alpha brain waves are associated with unfocused, overly receptive states of consciousness....

http://www.causeof.org/brainwaves.htm

...In this case they were shocked by the strange appearance, sudden materialization and loud voice of the Hare Krishna devotee. In other words, the people went into an alpha state for security because they didn't want to confront the reality before them. In alpha, they were highly suggestible so they responded to the suggestion of taking the book; the moment they took the book, they felt guilty and responded to the second suggestion: give money.... While watching this hustler, I was close enough to notice that many of the people he stopped exhibited an outward sign of alpha--their eyes were actually dilated....

...My attorney obtained copies of the patents which I gave to some talented Hollywood sound engineers, asking them to create a new technique. They found a way to psycho-acoustically modify and synthesize the suggestions so that they are projected in the same chord and frequency as the music, thus giving them the effect of being part of the music. But we found that in using this technique, there is no way to reduce various frequencies to detect the subliminals. In other words, although the suggestions are being heard by the subconscious mind, they cannot be monitored with even the most sophisticated equipment. If we were able to come up with this technique as easily as we did, I can only imagine how sophisticated the technology has become, with unlimited government or advertising funding. And I shudder to think about the propaganda and commercial manipulation that we are exposed to on a daily basis....

http://www.bombshock.com/file5/brainwashingtechniques.txt-THE_BATTLE_FOR_YOUR_MIND-346.htm

Charmin ('cause I'm on so many shit lists)

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:34 AM

Wonder why, Froth?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:06 AM

My God! have those satellites been hacked again?!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 05:11 AM

ALPHA brainwaves are in the range of 7 to 12 cycles per second. This is a pattern which prevents concentration.

I think this is my permanent pattern! Now all I have to do is change them to -

BETA brainwaves range from 13 to 27 cycles per second. These patterns allow us to analyze things and situations. Associated with alert mental activity.

but how?

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Canadienne
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 05:33 AM

When I was studying Psychology we did some alpha wavelength "training" using bio feedback methods
Alpha is characterized as 8-13 CPS and is associated with unfocused attention or a relaxed mental and physical state.

"Alpha is generated during meditation or generally when the mind and body is in a quiet and relaxed position; either sitting or lying down with the eyes closed" but nevertheless allows full awareness of the environment - it relieves tension and is often referred to as "active rest" in Yoga.

I still use this method today to achieve a state of mental and physical relaxation during a hectic time; I don't consider it's ever made me "overly receptive!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 05:52 AM

Agree, Robin - it looks like the sattelites all over again

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 07:08 AM

Alpha is the desired range of consciousness for the use of hypnosis.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 07:42 AM

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE ...... they have assumed controll ROTFL

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:28 AM

All your base are belong to us!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:31 AM

This is pretty clear-cut. Just statements from psychologists, mostly.

Alpha waves don't appear normally until the age of 10 or so. Possibly a defense mechanism. A kind of "neutral" gear for the brain as it is forced to make more and more complex and important critical decisions. So a "rest" mode develops.

Television's cycle rate (and for that matter your computer monitor's) put the brain into an alpha state. In that state you are highly suggestible. You can be sold cars, clothes, wars and torture.

Many people DO live in a largely alpha state nowadays because they have a television running all the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:33 AM

But I don't. I don't even look at the computer screen all day. I've got too much to day for that.

Maybe George Bush does, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:53 AM

Go on then ....... it's quiet at the moment....
"Alpha waves ... 7 to 12 Hertz
TV refresh rate 75Hz ..... anybody spot the difference here?
This does not allow for the fact that you do NOT see anything flicker that fast (it is called persistance of vision)
It also does not allow for the fact that each line on your TV is scanned in alternativly so you get TWO pictures transmitted which are interlaced back to form one picture on the screen. Anybody who has read a book whilst falling asleep wil know that as yyour concentration levels drop so does your knowledge of what you read, unless you happento be a Russian Scientist still stuck in the 70's. In that case you can remove your rszer blades from undeer your pyramid 'cos we know now that it didn't work!
CRT's and Plasma screens have a different rate of decay of light emitted and so would have differing stroboscopic effects!
Unless I see some imperical evidence to the contary I will file this thaught exercise in the trash along with "Gold plated Jackplugs" "felt tip pens to prevent light leakage from CD's" and perpetual motion machines"

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:54 AM

Given that the cycle (refresh & otherwise) rate of TVs & computer screens is nothing like the one for Alpha waves - and I mean nothing like it, the later can never be a sympathetic resonance caused by the former. Cannot, full stop. As in "proven by high school physics". The suggestions made in your quotes are therefore nonsensical, and likely a new hoax. So forgive us if we take the Mickey - we are not laughing at you, and god knows we have all of us in our time been taken in by some hoax or other.

Watching TV has all sorts of bad effects on one, and some are even worse than the ones you refer to; but enslavement through Alpha waves is not one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:56 AM

folk1e, SNAP! Was this telepathy, or Sigma waves across the iNet?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 10:10 AM

I've been posting for years about puder screens and brain waves, in relation to Mudcat addiction and Mudcat insomnia. People reacted as though I were making light of these-- it's actually serious, as I've been trying to say for some time.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 10:12 AM

Oh, Mudcat is addictive, Susan - I won't argue about that; and so is the internet overall. But that is nothing to do with the screens or waves; all they can give you is eye strain and headache.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 10:46 AM

The opiate of the (unthinking ) people!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 10:49 AM

Charmin, you did post one day too late.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 10:55 AM

But I'll add one link to the fun:

THE COMING SHAKEDOWN OF THE US AND IRAN

this war is really an assault by the Illuminati on both countries...
the Illuminati Order has the resources to infiltrate both sides of every conflict, and steer it according to the New World Order agenda...
On the domestic front, an example of the Illuminati "dialectic" at work is Rosie O'Donnell's recent pronouncements on 9-11. The Lesbian poster child sounds like Alex Jones. Her function is to cast the opposition in the mold of the 1960's anti-war movement, focusing blame on Bush and "the government" instead of the long-term international conspiracy ultimately responsible.

I'm sure there are even crazier websites out there.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:03 AM

This is too much. i think I'll have a lie down and listen to "Abbey Road" played backwards...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bee
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:10 AM

From your link, Charmin':

"My name is Christopher McPeck. I have a BS in Computer Science. On this page I have included my latest theories about the cause of Internet and Television Addiction, and other topics"

'Nuff said.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:20 AM

and "My theories have not been proven (as far as I know).
I do not offer any psychotherapy, neurotherapy, diagnosis or medical treatment of any kind.".....

Just another nerd with too much time in his hands. Well, I have a BS and an MS in Computer Science, I am a member of BCS for 20 years and a chartered sofwtare engineer for another 15; and I, George Papavgeris, say that Christopher McPeck's theory on the alpha waves is unsubstantiated, unscientific and it sucks.

Sue me.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: jeffp
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 12:43 PM

I would submit that it is not a theory, but a hypothesis.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:05 PM

wull...wull...if them Alpha waves make us so durn complacent, then why do I jump up & down and wave my arms and shout at the screen whenever Rush Limbaugh comes on? Huh? Answer me THAT, smartie!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:34 PM

Conditioned response, Bill. There was this guy named Ivan Pavlov . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:44 PM

Pavlov...Pavlov?? That rings a bell...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:46 PM

Nobel Prize or not, his research went to the dogs . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:47 PM

Then Limbaugh must be the conditioned stimulus which begs the question to which unconditioned stimulus Bill jumps up and down und waves his arms and screams.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:50 PM

I know this thread is the central one in a lot of cozy security blankets, but it has to be tugged at anyway. Sorry to upset you.

The mechanics of television aren't really the issue here. The mechanics of the brain are. TV may cycle at a zillion Mhz, but electrodes attached to skulls show that brain activity falls off to Alpha level when watching TV. One of the articles mentions similar effects being obtained by fundamentalist tent preachers, and they achieve mesmerism without TVs or cathode rays.

TVs put you into an alpha state (proof courtesy of electrode monitoring), and alpha is the desired state for suggestibility (hypnotism). You are ACTIVELY told to buy cars and clothes and certain foods by commercials, and experiments have shown subliminals can hide any message desired so that it's undetectable.

Like I said, I'm sorry, but your thinking is most likely a mish mash of Madison Avenue PR and Pentagon propaganda. Perhaps you've found yourself saying or doing something you can't account for, or you've bought something you don't need, or you've not done all you can to keep your government honest. If so, there's a reason. The most likely culprit is television.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 01:54 PM

No shit. But that ain't news. The deleterious effects of TV on people was demonstrated prior to the 'studies' you have linked or cut and pasted.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:00 PM

". Perhaps you've found yourself saying or doing something you can't account for, or you've bought something you don't need, or you've not done all you can to keep your government honest. If so, there's a reason. The most likely culprit is television."


and what was the evil cause BEFORE about 1939?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:03 PM

Wake up, Bill. Nobody did that stuff before TV!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Don Firth
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:11 PM

Ye gawds, what have they been putting in those chemtrails lately!??

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:12 PM

Sure, it's old news, but it's always a good time to try to figure out why we're led as we are and what tools are being used to do the leading.

I was with several people on 9/11, and we were watching FOX News. After hours of watching, we had picked out a deep, low-frequency rumble on the audio. An artificial noise, not part of the remote broadcasts, etc. We noticed that it got slightly louder just before commercials, and at those times we tried to pick the noise apart, to analyze it.

The rumble was made up of several "notes" or components, and it approximated a minor key. Really hard to put your finger on, but it was there, and ominous, and it was made up of several components.

Fox News has been busted pushing govt propaganda so often, it wouldn't surprise me if on that day it wasn't feeding us subliminals--"kill," "do not oppose the government," etc. I believe Fox's ratings rose on that day, so maybe they were giving people just a bit more subliminal stimulation than the other networks.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:15 PM

Hitler used radio to promise a way out of crushing poverty. He just left out the bit about the ovens.

But that's a good point. Each technology can be looked back on for examples of abuse. The technologies being tested now will make TV with its "entertainment" shows glorifying torture seem like the good ol' days before long.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:30 PM

I agree with you, Charmin. If you intend to remain reasonable and not refer to the posters on this thread as assholes or whatever, then there is a place to start.

I stopped watching TV decades ago because it bores the hell outta me. All of it. If I watch shows on television, I fall asleep within ten minutes. I do not own a TV nor will I ever again in my life.

I find TV and the ads to be insulting. I once watched a Seinfeld show and in the course of one hour (if it was a one hour show I watched one, and if it was a half hour show I watched two back to back) and the whole hour (which we know is only about 45 minutes because the commercial shit takes up something like 1 in 4 minutes) provided one out-loud laugh and one chuckle for me. The laugh track on the TV was 'telling' me that I should have had about 40 belly laughs in that time.

I have a sense of humour, contrary to what some people on Mudcat thing, and I got a hot flash: The show was NOT funny. Either that or I am very hard to 'condition'. (I lived with a mountain lion for three years and she never did get used to me, thanks Will.) TV is responsible, IMO, for the 'dumbing down' of North America. But then, corporations do tend to run a few things.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:53 PM

Look at some of the posts above, Peace, and decide whether or not any of those people deverve the designation of asshole. If I knew German I might be tempted.

Yeah, TV's a mind killer. Laugh tracks are pretty harmless, as is music in movies. It irritates me when you get a music cue telling you that you need to feel sad now or light-hearted. Good movie music is too subtle to tip that off. No such thing as a subtle laugh track.

But his stuff I'm addressing now is pretty sinister. I quit watching TV after 9/11 because Fox news told me 1) our intelligence agencies were totally incompetent and didn't see it coming, and then 2) the deed was done by bin Laden and he was in Afghanistan. I mean, come on. You can't have that both ways. That's when I knew I was being lied to, but I persisted watching for that day out of interest in the way the propaganda was being presented, and one of the things we picked up on was the low-frequency audio. If the talking heads were reading obviously scripted, lie-in-my face copy like that, no telling what was in the subliminals.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 02:56 PM

"1) our intelligence agencies were totally incompetent and didn't see it coming, and then 2) the deed was done by bin Laden and he was in Afghanistan. I mean, come on. You can't have that both ways."



?????? An explaination of this statement would be useful.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:11 PM

None of the people above need defending but I must say, Guest/Charmin, that you are full of it, you know nawthing.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:29 PM

Charmin:

I'll show you how it's done -:) (that's supposed to be an internet smile).

Bill D is a brilliant man, great thinker and a good friend. He is also completely out to lunch on the 9-11 issue. Why is he out to lunch? Because he disagrees with me (and you). Bill knows darned well that I believe the Neocons have something if not everything to do with 9-11. I know darned well he thinks I am an idiot for believing that. In turn, I know he knows that I think he's so blind to this issue that he should have a seeing-eye dog. And I also know this: the moment I can provide an incontrovertible (sp?--a?) proof to him that 9-11 was engineered by people in his own country, he will be posting what we are saying (lately you more than me) on Mudcat and taking the heat just like you. I could write something similar about each of the others mentioned below, but won't.

Don, Wolfgang, Beardedbruce, Ebbie and Bill have had more arguments with me than what is on the few threads you have started. (They are exceptionally bright/sharp people.) Some of the arguments/debates have been very heated. However, I see many of their posts to other threads and as a result realize that it's but a matter of time before they see the light on THIS issue. They are good people. Just because they don't share our views on this does not make them bad. IMO wrong, but not bad.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 03:44 PM

Peace,

See the Rosie thread- it is the Martians, not the Neocons.

And just look as when TV became popular- right after the Roswell incident...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:38 PM

I see that I have left off some people, always the risk when you trust yer memory (OK, when I trust MY memory).

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: beardedbruce
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:40 PM

...When one trusts one's memory.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:45 PM

You do know that Charmin is a brand of toilet tissue, don't you? Please don't squeeze the Carmin! But it's squeezably soft.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: KB in Iowa
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 04:46 PM

Ooops

Please don't squeeze the Charmin (not Carmin).

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 05:01 PM

yup! ol' Peace has it right! Just as soon as he provides that 'incontrovertible proof' about 9/11, I'll join the party and post ....no....wait...if there is indeed **incontrovertible proof**, I'll be roaring down the hill...(I live just 18 miles from the White House)..with my dander up and my puny arms a wavin'!

...but, in the meantime, I'll just sit here, casting a wary eye on theories based on speculation, subjective judgments and wishful thinking. It's a harmless hobby, and I LOVE being able to say "I told you so!" *grin*

Geeze, Charmin...I KNOW there's a lot of stupid stuff going on, and I know I don't trust a lot of my own government these days to do the right thing...but I'm not sure I give them credit for enough cleverness to do half the wrong things they are accused of!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 08:15 PM

"The rumble was made up of several "notes" or components, and it approximated a minor key. Really hard to put your finger on, but it was there, and ominous, and it was made up of several components."
If it "approximated" a minor key I assume you have had a spectrum analiser on it and would be able to tell exactly which notes were being played! This would mean that it was NOT difficult to put your finger on and indeed you had done exactly that. So what exactly were the notes? And if you are talking about subliminal messages they must have changed!Cut out all the psudo psycobabble and give some hard information...... then be prepaired to be rebutted. Just for the record I have heard of nothing that could do anything more than to make you feel unwell/scared or anxious and those frequencies are 2 to 4Hz!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 08:37 PM

George

"I have a BS and an MS in Computer Science"

Well so do I - so there....

But what I don't have is a BSc..... :-P I was studying for B.A (Comp Sci)... a bit unusual, but for a very good reason... which I'm sure the clever can work out...

From many of the postings here, I suspect that there are many other holders of 'a BS' too... :-)

And since we have now established just was 'a BS' is, can you please explain what 'a MS' is - or is that something that only 'mass debaters' have?


Tara! from Foolestroupe T.W. (MA)...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 08:43 PM

BTW, 'a low rumble' from a TV speaker?

Do you KNOW what is the minimum possible cutoff frequency that a TV can 'emit? There are very hard technical facts about that... it's the way the system is designed and built...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 08:58 PM

I think this is Our Pet Troll 'Balham' again...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:27 PM

He could get a low rumble by digitising the audio signal and squirting that down the speaker ....might sound like a woodpecker though!
And he would NOT be able to analize the signal for harmonics!

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH
I have just started to argue his case for him
or was it the pooter wot told me to do it?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 09:43 PM

hehehehehe!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bee
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:02 PM

Yes, folk1e, I too would like to know what minor key we're talkin' here: Em? Am? Gm? 'Cause I have a guitar and I'm not afraid to use it (for good, of course; yes indeedy, for good...uh-huh...)!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:15 PM

You better be careful mate! - if you plug yer electric geetar in, you might be 'brainwashing the rest of us'.... now, tell me again, why don't folkies make money?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 07 - 11:47 PM

"why don't folkies make money?"

Acoustic Instruments, mate!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:45 AM

Well, didn't Einstein flunk math once? So much for degrees.

Let me scroll down...oh, that's funny...witty...half-witty...yes. Alpha male has taken on a whole new meaning, it seems.

I sometimes pass a television that's gibbering, and I had an encounter recently. The background...there are 30 million criminal illegals in the U.S. I know that, no matter what frequency my brain is operating on. And I passed a TV and heard the guy on NBC...the anchor, whoever that guy is now...talking about "2 different approaches to the illegal issue." The first bit of film showed the "tough" approach, where cops in a community stop U.S. drivers (contractors) and give the drivers tickets for hauling illegal workers to a job site. The cop they showed about to issue the ticket even said "you have illegals in your truck." So, there's an American citizen being harrassed (rightfully so in my opinion...don't employ them and they'll go home, and fine the bosses so they'll stop hiring them), but this cop actually used the word "illegals" and then ignored their presence. He focused on the driver and ignored the bona fide criminal illegals. But illegal is illegal, so why was the citizen singled out for harrassment? The illegals still made it to the job site and stole a job, so why weren't they handcuffed before the cop wrote the ticket? Anyway, then the story shifted to the more "tolerant" approach showing some "It takes a village" approach to admitted illegals. It showed a town giving the criminals even more benefits (education, medical, etc) than citizens get.

Both those approaches were presented to the viewer in his or her alpha state, and one was labeled tough and one labeled more friendly. But in the tough scenario, the illegals were still rewarded. The viewer was told he/she was witnessing punishment, but in reality a truckful of illegals were being rewarded. That's described in one of the articles at the start of this thread...being told one thing and shown another as a propagandizing technique.

Anyway, I was utterly amazed. The piece was a perfect example of lulling the viewer into a susceptible state and then propagandizing. America's population is about to increase by 10% when the amnesty is signed, and these are some nasty individuals. No check has been made of the people coming over our borders, and felons from all over the world are just waiting for the day when they can walk the streets freely. And I suppose Nightly News viewers are being trained to accept rootless cuthroats as some kind of asset to this society.

TV propagandizing works.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:12 AM

"So much for degrees."

If you don't add degrees, the axle squeaks.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 05:42 AM

"felons from all over the world are just waiting for the day when they can walk the streets freely"

Well, a few years ago Aust and US were talking about doing a deal that supposedly we wouldn't need visas to travel to the USA. It was joked that Chopper Reed would be able to carry on business in the USA.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,ohmega male
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 05:44 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 05:52 AM

I notice that "our friend" has taken to talking garbage about "America's population is about to increase by 10% when the amnesty is signed, and these are some nasty individuals"
CUT the crap and talk some figures here ..... we are all waiting!
Scaremongering is futile ..... some of us are more scary than you realise! Come on I realy do want to be convinced!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 05:56 AM

"If you don't add degrees, the axle squeaks. "

Tut! Tut! Get the joke right please!


If you don't add degrees, deaxle squeaks.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:04 AM

"America's population is about to increase by 10% "

Perhaps what sensei means is the offical census figure... but you need figures provided by people who takes censuses (censi?) to get official figures of those who were not counted in the original official census, so that you then can officially state what the new census figure will be...

I think I need a Bex, a cup of tea, and a good lie down...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:15 AM

didn't Einstein flunk math once?

No, he always excelled in math and physics. He once didn't pass the admission test (for those without a formal grade) to ETH (Zurich university) because despite his excellent results in math and physics his other examination result (languages) were too bad. He graduated one year later with an overall second best grade being the average of the best grades in Algebra, theoretical Geometry, applied Geometry, Physics, and History, good grades in German, Italian, Chemistry, and Natural History, worse grades in Arts, Drawing, and Geography and a bad grade in French.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Wolfgang
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:27 AM

The legend of Einstein being bad in Math once may have originated this way:

Einstein was in school in Germany but graduated in Switserland. Most Germans do not know that the grading scale (6-1) in Switserland is exactly the opposite as in Germany (1-6), with 6 meaning excellence in Switserland and dismal performance in Germany. So my guess is that a German once saw Albert's Swiss grades and made the wrong inference. That legend has been in the world since and will still be offered as an argument against degrees in 50 years.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:56 AM

Wolfgang, why do you persist in trying to bring verifiable facts into the argument? You know they're not wanted.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 07:17 AM

"and a bad grade in French."

See! I knew he was a genius!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 08:26 AM

BTW, we... THE Martians have been saturating North America with 60 Hz radiation for years ( 50 Hz in Europe) so that people will be suggestable.

Go ahead- check for the radiation- You will find it everywhere!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:17 PM

Hmmm ...... 50 Hz in the UK, that's B flat!
This explains EVERYTHING! (eccept why this post dissapeared the first time)   It's all that Nicky Tesla's fault.....
MATRON! MATRON!! Pass me that foil helmet please......

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:36 PM

Approximately 300 million Americans, approximately 30 million illegals. When the treasonous U.S. congress passes the "guest worker" program, the illegals will suddenly become legal, adding 10% to the social services demands.

America is being killed from within, by the politicians who have sold out. The Democrats were going to fix things, and according to the TV watchers I talk to, the Dems are "engaging" Bush in hand to hand combat. But the Dems are continuing the wars, they haven't rolled back any of the constitution-killing legislation the Republican congress passed, and they're about to pass an amnesty on illegal immigrants which Bush has said he'll sign. Yet, TV watchers think the Dems are fighting AGAINST Bush's policies. Another argument for the effectiveness of television propagandizing.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Amos
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 01:51 PM

Horsepucky, dear Charmin. Those who are allowed to be legal will continue, I expect, breaking their buns for low wages building walls, patios, trimming trees, painting, and doing all other sorts of ordinary labor in exchange for decent wages. Most of them will add enough revenue to the Federal income to pay for the deaths of a score or more in Iraq. You have nothing to fret about.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charmin
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 02:03 PM

Nope. They're criminals. And calling them "legals" tomorrow won't change the fact that they have criminal mentalities. They broke the law to get to the U.S., so how long do you think these criminals are going to be satisfied with the shitty menial jobs you just described? When they suddenly don't have deportation to fear, they're going to want to take the shortcut to "the American Dream." They can't be trusted. Deport them now, if they haven't gone through proper channels, and impeach any legislators who dare to change the definition of crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 03:52 PM

boy, Charmin, you sure don't see any shades of gray, do you? I could almost agree with some of the facts in your statements and the practical aspects of allowing border crossers..or not...but there is an 'attitude' embedded in your diatribes that really makes me sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:04 PM

"Nope. They're criminals. And calling them "legals" tomorrow won't change the fact that they have criminal mentalities."

Hogwash.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 04:05 PM

Please note: I am a chganged person. A week ago I would have said 'bullshit'.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Amos
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 05:05 PM

What a fine improvement.

Charmin, do you live anywhere where there have been generations of Hispanics settling and building communities?

I do.

And I think I know what I am talking about when I say that your attitude is based on distortions about a small minority of a population that on the whole is more industrious and moral and kind-hearted than the average middle-class white person.

I have lived with and among Spanish Americans, legal and otherwise, for over ten years, and on the whole they are kind, hard-working and decent people. You do yourself a great disservice by broadcasting hatred so inaccurately.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 05:22 PM

So, whose thinking has been enslaved by propaganda now...Not Amos, he speaks from personal experience. Charmin, you been watching TV again, haven't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:40 PM

George, our guest has been exposed by actions to be our old friend 'Balham' - the guest of ever changing names (like the city of ever changing lights!) - also, obviously, the only TV he watches is Fox....

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 08:08 PM

so Charmin ..... Balham ..... whatever your handle your personality shines through! I should enter into a diatribe of condemnation of you and your espoused xenophobia, however I will restrain myself.
I assume you come from "The Land of the Free" and are aware of your social history. No? Why am I not surprised?
OK I will (for now) descend into your teritory......
America was populated by the forced exile of our CRIMINALS and malcontents, at the expense of the native peoples. They proceded to REBEL against the rule of law and set themselves apart from that law. Your venerated leader of the time (George Washington) was not exactly in favour of the abolition of slavery, and indeed if it were not for forign pressure would have been part of the slave owning community. You have an economy that would COLAPSE without "illegal" farm labour. And YOU have the audacity to pretend to hold the moral high ground?


Please note this was a thaught exercise aimed at "Charmin" and I DO NOT BELIEVE all the above statements apply to the vast majority of Americans! If they cause you any offence I am sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: GUEST,Charman
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 08:44 PM

Xenophobia, hispanics? Where did all that come from? Most of the criminal illegals are OTMs (Other Than Mexican). I live near the Mexican border, and the roundups pull in Arabs, Europeans, South Americans, Asians.

Americans has been trained (largely by television), to self-regulate their speech to a ridiculous degree. Half the people I know have ancestors who came from Mexico. Of course the economy has benefitted from LEGAL immigration of Mexicans, Germans, Viet Namese, etc. But make people come here LEGALLY. Immigration laws are in place. Enforce them against the violaters. If a person will commit a crime to come here, what other crimes will they commit? No nation needs that. Get them out of here unless they've applied legally.

Geez. Those alpha waves have done a job on you folks. TV has trained you to sit back and passively let the decriminalization of 30 million just go by without even a whisper of opposition? That's national suicide. And apparently television has done it to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:00 PM

Well, since the country is doomed, I suppose you'll be leaving soon. Thank you for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Bee
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:03 PM

Too late, Charmin' - your other post is there for all to read.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 09:04 PM

Charmin
Charman

Will the REAL whoever the hell you are please stand up?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 02:46 AM

Sorry Robin, missed your 2 April 8:37 post - LOL! I dropped the little "c" in both cases. Must be the alpha waves. And now I am conditioned to leave the house and go to work. I wan't to rebel, but...I...can...not.

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 05:58 AM

(S)He appears to be going quiet now! (thank you "charmin")
If you can be botherd to reply can you supply some of the information that has been requested from you. That is without making unfounded assertions about your "neighbours" ......... bet you still buy the fruit though!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 07:32 AM

It's "Balham", I say...

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: bobad
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:05 AM

Who the hell is "Balham"?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:14 AM

Don't yo bother readin gteh whole thread?

"From: Foolestroupe - PM
Date: 03 Apr 07 - 06:40

George, our guest has been exposed by actions to be our old friend 'Balham' - the guest of ever changing names (like the city of ever changing lights!)"

Refers to thread 10000... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: bobad
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:20 AM

I did read that yesterday but still don't know to whom you are referring, is it someone with a history here or is Balham some fictional chacter that I don't know about?

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 06:20 PM

thread number 10000

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: Peace
Date: 04 Apr 07 - 08:20 PM

Pass it over here. I am trying to get a story on the cannabis thread and like I can't find the thread man. No shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: folk1e
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 01:42 PM

And another one bites the dust!

Subject: RE: BS: Alpha Wave Slavery
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Apr 07 - 02:19 PM

Ashes to ashes...
Sorry, wrong thread.