BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown

Subject: BS: Hadron collider & the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:22 PM

Some stories can only be told reliably before the event. Tom Lehrer said something similar regarding songs about WWIII.
When a history of war is told it is most often told by the victor. However, a story of a catastrophe may be told by the illiterate and uninformed survivors and have a tendency to be condensed into an allegorical tale that is both vague and open to many interpretations.

This is a story of a great step into the unknown. A step not unlike the Trinity A Bomb test when there were hysterical critics who speculated that the nuclear chain reaction may not end with the Uranium in the bomb and might continue around the world.
The next great step will occur in August of this year. The Hadron collider http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider
will be switched on and power proton particle streams at such velocities that their mass will exceed that of a couple city buses and create a collision that may open new doors to an understanding of particle physics, dimensions, black holes, dark matter and the search for the elusive Higgs boson.

It is so big http://www.petermccready.com/portfolio/05091902.html that you could walk at 3mph for 5 hours and 20 minutes without retracing your steps inside the circular tunnel. 2,000 lbs magnets are above your head and 100 meters above that are bucolic farmland of both France and Switzerland.

Some theorists contend that only 17 kilograms of matter at incredible energies are required to form new spatial dimensions that would expand into a Universe of their own. In such a case we would be unaffected by such an occurrence since it is outside our dimensions. Other theorists claim that if we do not have the numbers right we could accidentally collapse "de sitter space" and create a small class one supernova that would extend a bit beyond the orbit of Jupiter. Of course the other possible discovery is that nothing new happens which would be of great scientific interest and disaster for the investors.

This story is about the two contentious scientists regarding the formation of a small black hole inside the Hadron super collider. One says the black holes would disintegrate soon after formation and the other says it would continue to grow if magnetic containment is lost and it burrows beyond the tunnel walls.


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Chapter 3   

Although smoking was prohibited in the Hadron collider private offices, Dr. Hagi Shivarishma chain smoked and wore purple corduroy pants and a brown and black striped sweater, but on him it looked good. His Norman Rockwell calendar had a big red circle around today's date August 13th. It has been over 12 years of construction and many more years in the conception of today's project. Hagi reached for desk phone, cell phones did poorly when the magnets were engaged, and dialed Bruce Caldwell's number which was simply *42.

"Hello, hold on", Bruce said in a detached manner, while Hagi blew another cigarette ash off his keyboard. "Yes what is it?"
Hagi said, I see you have petitioned to postpone again. You have administration running from pillar to post but it will serve no purpose, we are still green light for 1400.

"Hagi I have new data for a M.B.H. (mini black hole) trajectory in the event of a L.O.C."
Hagi blows a blue cloud of smoke and says "Bruce you are pissing in the wind, your delay was denied."
"Come look for yourself, the MBH would have a trajectory that would accumulate enough mass to form a sink hole the size of Africa in 20 minutes."
"Bruce why don't you calculate what that would be on the Richter scale and get back to me tomorrow."
"Hagi I admit we don't know if a MBH is even possible but if it is, you realize that the collider will have to run continually for years on end until the MBH grows from condensed atmospheric mass and exponentially until it exceeds containment strength and drops like a cannonball toward the center of the Earth."
"My friend, you simply have a case of nerves. By Occums Razor we have nearly 100% possibility nothing will happen except for a bunch of protons getting smashed to smithereens. Now I've got to go now."
Hagi hangs up the phone without saying goodbye and stubs out another ciagarette. Bruce hangs up while keeping his gaze fixed on his computer screen.

Chapter 4
In the cafeteria one ceiling mounted lcd TV was showing a French news broadcast about Iraq and another was showing Sponge Bob Squarepants...

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: katlaughing
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:27 PM

(Great start, Donuel!)

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:28 PM

Chapter 9
Bruce was thinking about Oppenheimer saying "and we have become the destoryer of worlds".
Hagi briefly thought about an apple and the Garden of Eden.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 12:31 PM

Ch 10
If a Richter scale could measure the "downheaval", it turned out that Bruce was too conservative. It was about a 42.0

the end

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:17 PM

epilog

Somewhere different numbers were entered, precautions were made for possible eventualities, containment vessels were at the ready, tera watt generators and gravity deflectors were made and vehicles traveled distances that made it possible to spread new apple seeds to new worlds.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: folk1e
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 08:36 PM

Dr. Hagi Shivarishma and Bruce Caldwell sat side by side at the DESK. Both were nervous but determined not to show any outward sign to the other. There was a computerised voice counting down..... it had reached fifteen. The date was exteraordinary in that it had taken Two extra years to decide the "nationality" of the voice. As it happend the voice was not one of the member states but by a quite astronomical fluke an American(southern drawl). Hagi moved his oxygen mask further from the Havana cigar, he was finaly sucumming to the carconogenic effects of smoking, andblew one final smoke ring toward his adversary and stubbed it out! Both men had their hand on the "on switch" even though it was unnecessery as the computer would switch 20 milliseconds after the zero. It had been determined that "honour" could be satisfied this way, and if the old scientists should for some reason NOT press, well no one would know.
5.....4....3....2....1.....zer.. Both men were acutely aware of vast powers being unleashed. The both looked at each other and There lips moved in unison "OH SHI....
In that millisecond Timespace (Einstein was not quite all he was cracked up to be) ended..... no explosion no wash of positronic radiation, it just wasn't anymore!



GOD finnished his KitKat and turned back to his pooter and staired with consternation at the "blue screen of death"
His opponent smirked to himself (no omnipotent being likes their nose rubbed in it)
best out of 15,000,000? or wuuld you prefer double or quits?

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Sorcha
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 10:07 PM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 11:35 PM

That had a Touch of Douglas Adams in it.
but seriously
The options are:\

A class 1 super nova as predicted by Dr. Paul Dixon.

The formation of a mini black hole that soon after evaporates as predicted by most physicists. (few believe the black hole would grow)

The possiblility that nothing beyond the ordinary occurs.

And the possibility of detecting the higgs boson or new dimensions or new dimension formation.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Apr 07 - 11:39 PM

If you haven't explored the device, do take a look.
This link allows you to go anywhere you want inside the collider complex with a 360 degree view...except the ladies room.

http://www.petermccready.com/portfolio/05091902.html

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 04:02 AM

The hadron collider turned out to have an effect roughly equivalent to a small boy pulling a loose thread on his sweater - the whole f...ing thing unravelled!

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Wolfgang
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 07:23 AM

Donuel playing with a new doomsday date after the April 6 prediction turned out to be off the mark.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 11:50 PM

I think "Spongebob" is one word.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Apr 07 - 11:51 PM

Oops. Make that "SpongeBob." And "SquarePants."

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 09:45 AM

Hey Wolf posting a Russian website with the April 6 Iran attack date is one thing and a doomsday prediction is another. You will not need a doomsday prediction since climate change, drought and famine will be quite obvious to all.
To spare you any misguided worry regarding actual predictions, any valuable insider information will only be diseminated via pm

Paul Dixon has made some videos regarding his worry about the massive collider that will go on line this summer.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:15 PM

Somewhere I have a little mini-magazine...sort of a tiny 'National Enquirer'... from 1953. It had a review of this new congressman, John Kennedy...and an article titled "Will the H-Bomb destroy the World?"
In 1953, articles like that worried me...in 2007, hadron colliders barely raise my eyebrows.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 12:18 PM

No...that was 1951....

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Midchuck
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:12 PM

The real danger is, that when I die, the Universe ceases to exist.

And I'm 65....

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Apr 07 - 01:45 PM

cartoon: Sunset Valley Rest Home with a group of 100 senior citizens on walkers and a volcano erupting in the distence with one guy yelling.... "WALK FOR YOUR LIVES !"

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Adrianel
Date: 13 Apr 07 - 10:23 PM

Interesting. I read in Science magazine that the physicists are in fact worried about the LHC. Their concern is mainly that they will find ONLY the Higgs boson, and no other new particles. That will effectively wrap it up for the Standard Model of particle physics, and there's nothing more for them to do. They feel they'd be better off if they DON'T find the Higgs, as then they will have a LOT of work to do to their Model.
It takes all sorts.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 08:31 AM

We have some months longer to live. The beginning of the operation is now scheduled for May, 2008.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 12:01 PM

Hmmm, I even forgot I wrote this thread starter, let alone the start up date. With my migraine cycle it has always been normal for me to forget entire stories, poems and pictures that I make immediately prior to the headache.

Thanks for the heads up Wolfgang.


Hey you aren't the same Wolfgang that was on Maestronet are you?
I dedicated a graphic of a lost dog on a glacier to a virtual internet contributor named Wolfgang. Maybe it was you.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 12:02 PM

or maybe I have the early stages of Wizenheimers.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 12:41 PM

No, I'm not that Wolfgang.

W.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 03:09 PM

"Mark" your "Calendar" for September 21. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 04:18 PM

But before that comes September, 13th, the beginning of Ramadan this year. I didn't look this year yet but the last couple of years American Hiroshima was scheduled for the beginning of Ramadan. Oh, wait, that's actually tomorrow and it is never a good idea to predict something for a day so close.

But the end of Ramadan, October 11 or 12, that would be a convenient date (also mentioned in the last year) if September 21 comes and goes with nothing happening.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 07 - 10:24 PM

What is 'American Hiroshima', Wolfgang?

The September 21 date is the one given by our alarmist.

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:26 AM

Ebbie, American Hiroshima (I think there even was a Mudcat thread about it) is the theory that Al Qaeda will nuke roughly half a dozen (up to eight) American cities on the same day or within a very short time. Among those cities are New York, Washington, Chicago. The nukes they have already bought from Russia (not the government, but rogue elements) or some of the other states that formerly formed the USSR. The nukes are already in these towns and will be triggered at the appropriate moment killing millions and that will be the end of the USA as we know it.

I see this rumoured on what I consider very right wing websites that should not be taken serious. But it is a fun watching the predictions on those sites (I love looking at failed predictions and always am amazed how they never try to tell why an outdated prediction was wrong but only make a new one).

Dates I have collected for American Hiroshima: Start of Ramadan, end of Ramadan, Christmas (of course), August 6th (historical Hiroshima bomb), date of the Nagasaki bomb, and, last but not least, July 4th. These varying predictions are with us since about 2003.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:11 PM

Large Hadron Rap

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Amos
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:21 PM

HEy, Wolfgang, what is the latest startup date? Has it started up?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: Wolfgang
Date: 02 Sep 08 - 02:26 PM

The most recent date given is the 10th of September.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Hadron collider&the great unknown
From: folk1e
Date: 03 Sep 08 - 11:32 AM

OMG! I've only got a week to live!

Not much point in going for my lottery ticket now!
But on the bright side .......
..... the bank can swivel for their mortgage repayments now. lol