BS: Tarot Card Experience

Subject: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 12:00 AM

My friend, Maria & I had heard about a Tarot card reader who was supposed to be very gifted. I figured it would be fun & I might gain some insight. Maria wanted job advise.

This woman gets $125 big ones for a 1 hr. reading which consisted of her theory on the extra pounds I was carrying, and how God awful that I"d never been given a thyroid test. She explained a slow thyroid, of course, would account for my weight. This coming from a 400pound elf whose head hardly showed over the table. The husband made the coffee while she proceeded to eat all the cheese cake in sight. WE demurred, when asked if we wish to partake of said cheesecake, fearing for our lives because she had a baseball bat in the kitchen corner.

First thing I'm told is what a wonderful, giving person I am, & what a joy I am to be around. Next : I have, since childhood, been   psychic and I've kept it to myself all these yrs. I am also extremely intuitive and can tell immediately the true character of a person. (If that were true I would have turned on my heel the moment I saw her lowness.Get it?) I'm as psychic as a rock , and have absolutely no intuition about anyone. Sometimes I wonder how I Can be this old and be this slow.
She never mentioned that I was a widow, had cancer, never had kids, and had just lost my beloved beagle.
Just all this bull   which is designed to make a moron feel like something special. She never asked marital status. So she's looking over my right shoulder telling me that the Blessed Virgin is with me all the time.Then suddenly in the same spot is this sea captain (also over my right shoulder-hope he didn't step on Mary"s toes) who is coming to make me happy. He will be my best friend, and take me places,etc. He's 6ft.5in. tall with gray hair.

I happen to mention I'm a widow, She says "I KNOW!". I should have said, ""you could have mentioned it." SO she says, Well who do you think is sending Capt. Andy to you? It's Jim.(my late husband) He knows you are starting a new book. Isn't that special? This is only a portion of the crapola that was flowing. But I must say, WE had such a great time rehashing and comparing notes, the laughs were worth it. Many things were duplicates. My friend Maria is gay. She described in detail what her boyfriend looked like.

Please forgive the length-but I wanted you all to get a feel for the experience. She also told me a should get a website & sell my paintings.

I haven't seen the Gorton's Fisherman
yet - he must be lost in the North atlantic somewhere. My intuition hasn't improved, & my thryoid is okay. And my wallet is a bit lighter.

Has anyone had a good reading?

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: MBSLynne
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 03:27 AM

Yes, but interestingly enough, not usually from people who ask large amounts of money for it. The best readings I've had have been from people who do it because they enjoy doing it, not to make money. As soon as money becomes a factor charlatanism clicks in. In fact there are a lot of disciplines, if you can call them that, which believe that the taking of money for these gifts or talents is wrong.

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Crystal
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 05:15 AM

Best readings I have had I have done for myself. Then I KNOW what guidence I am looking for.
I'm in the proscess of making my own set of cards, it is going very slowly.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 05:53 AM

I've had a number of good readings and like Lynne they are from people who have not charged me for them. I have a good friend and ex-coven member who is a very talented tarot reader. I would be very dubious of anyone asking for large amounts of money to do a reading.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: *daylia*
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 07:30 AM

Is this thread worth my time and energy? Is the opening query about "good readings" sincere? Hmmmm, I certainly don't need Tarot for guidance on this one. After a couple days and dozens of replies on the "Auras and Chanting" thread he/she started, Mickey finally stated After reading all the interesting posts - I'm truly surprised at the number of people who believe in spirit guides and other amorphous beings. Not putting anyone down for this. I have no fear of things I do not understand. How can I fear something if I give it no credence? I'm just too pragmatic to believe. I'm confident that if you invite me for a cup of tea-I'm coming alone!

Very good! Believe whatever you please now, Mickey, and have yourself a good one,

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: MBSLynne
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 07:37 AM

Surprised that someone who is too pragmatic to believe is gullible enough, then, to hand over a large amount of money for a tarot reading.....

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bee
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 08:32 AM

Old fashioned Tarot cards, like the Rider pack, are chockful of symbolic images - once you've laid the cards out, it's easy to tell a story, picking from the images and numbers. Relative amateurs (and amateur relatives, and especially friends who know you) can give surprisingly interesting readings, which may seem to the read-ee to be spot on.

I used to read Tarot cards, strictly for fun, and people would be amazed at how much the reading seemed to relate to them. But what was happening was that, knowing someone even slightly, and given the sameness of average human experience, and combining that with the very clever symbol/image set contained within the cards, it was inevitable that half the 'story' I would tell would seem 'right'. And that half is what the person would most likely remember when the reading was over. And of course, an amateur friend may give a 'better' reading, because they already know more about you.

Once you've practiced a little with Tarot cards, the 'story' becomes almost stream of consciousness, as you take hints from the images without consciously selecting.

Mickey, $125. does seem a lot to spend on a bit of silliness, but you may be independently wealthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 08:45 AM

I'm definitely psychic; I can tell without even meeting you that you are a person who would spend a weeks good grocery money to listen to hokum from a third-rate con artist.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: MBSLynne
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 08:47 AM

Things like tarot cards, crystal balls etc tend to be more of a focus point. Kind of like a television, receiving or coagulating the things in one's mind.

I ran a fortune telling booth (for charity) at a local fair for three years with a crystal ball and using palmistry. I don't claim to be a seer of any sort. My witchy talents arre more in the line of herbs and healing, but came to see how the gypsies did a lot of their fortune telling. If you are alert and observant you can pick up a lot of clues just by looking at people and generally, pe4ople want to be convinced. For instance, one girl had little horse-shoe earrings with horses heads inside. I said, gazing into my crystal ball "You're very keen on horses..." She was most impressed. However, on a couple of occasions, something came into my head from completely out of the blue and following my instinct I told the people what I saw. They both looked at me as though they'd seen a ghost and said "How did you know that??"

There are more things in heaven and earth....

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: *daylia*
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:03 AM

OK, now I just can't resist adding my two cents worth regardless of the sincerity of the opening post. If I wanted to spend money on a psychic reading of any kind, I wouldn't ask my friends or relatives. Or anyone who knew me at all, because their interpretations lack objectivity. Anything they "see" or tell me will be coloured by their own personal preconceived opinions and biases about me and my life. So I would choose a complete stranger instead, and check them out very thoroughly first.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: jacqui.c
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 09:25 AM

My tarot reader, who I had been seeing for a couple of years and getting very accurate information from, told me that I would be giving up my job and moving abroad, neither of which thought was even on my mind. He also told me that I would be having a holiday with someone special - again, that just wasn't something that was going to happen.

He didn't know that I was going to meet Kendall about six weeks later and all that he told me happened.

There are definitely more things in heaven and earth...

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: *daylia*
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:11 AM

... and what you really REALLY need is always close at hand, and doesn't cost much at all. For example, if you're curious or troubled or whatever, and you have an free minute or two just get your FREE online tarot readings here! (from Llewellyn, a fairly reputable outfit)

I just did the Past Present Future spread. It was fairly accurate -- Past was Ace of Pentacles, and I HAVE been undergoing quite the gamut of earthy-type changes over the last several months -- big improvements in my physical health, finances, career, property and possessions etc. Future was 2 of Cups -- oooooo, thats all about unity and balance within and without -- all about love Love LOVE --- YES!!! I hope that's accurate -- bring it on, Baby!   :-)

But the Present was 3 of Swords. Oooooo, thats all about sorrow, arguments, strife, discord - IF it's ill dignified. And I don't think Air is too comfortable when snuggled up to Water -- hmmm the Ace of Pentacles is not too bad though .... hmmm

at any rate, I'll take the Swords as my exit cue. Have fun, folks!

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:20 AM

I spent one day on the telephone as a paid tarot reader. I found my "readings" to be much as MBSLynne and Bee have related. A good listener and observer can glean much that the cards may reflect for each person. The cards are only a focal point. I only did it for a day 1) because it was against my better nature to accept money for it and, 2) because the per minute charges were outrageous and most of the folks I spoke to were in dire financial straits, grasping at straws.

I would never pay anyone for a reading unless it was just for fun and then not very costly. I would, and do, do my own for myself. My sisters (not Mudcatter "bet") have paid so-called psychics for years to tell them how to fix their situations which really just needed a good dose of common sense. IMO, it all boils down to not trusting one's own intuition, not looking within for answers, when that's really the soundest thing we can do.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Alice
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:37 AM

The technique of cold reading can be done deliberately or just unknowingly by someone who is naturally perceptive in reading body language, etc.
Here is more about cold reading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Scoville
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:58 AM

My friends and I used to go on Hallowe'en for fun, but only if we could find somebody cheap. It was always very vague. The point was more to have an excuse to go out and do something ridiculous while dressed in silly costumes (we'd go to dinner, window-shop, etc.).

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bee
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 10:58 AM

Ooo, goody! Well, now, guest, The Devil, about my current guitar playing skills...

;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 11:14 AM

Daylia, Who ate the jam off your toast this morning?
It was simply a question I've pondered since the event. Why bother to answer a post you've questioned on it's sincerity?

The lady was a stranger to both of us. I had just lost my husband a year before & was looking for answers. I was in a depression and thought I might find answers. Since that time I have ,indeed, become more pragmatic.

Frogprince, take a long walk off a short pier! If I couldn't afford it - I would have stayed home. Why do you care about my spending habits? I didn't KNOW this particular lady was a con-artist till AFTER the fact. Got it? Jerk!

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 12:57 PM

That was a very amusing account you gave of the $125 reading, Mickey191. Yeah, I've seen a couple of readers rather like that in my time. I generally find that those who charge the most are the biggest phonies, and yeah, they usually tell people a whole bunch of stuff that is designed to make them feel special. Some of the phonies may not even consciously KNOW they are phonies! (always a possibility)

On the other hand, I've had some very accurate and good tarot readings from people who charged little or nothing for it...so I know it can work, depending on who is doing it...and what their motivation is.

I knew a woman who did tea leaf readings, and her accuracy (at predicting what was going on and/or coming up in the next few months) was phenomenal. She didn't charge anything for it.

I think all forms of "readings" can work if (and ONLY if) the person doing it has a basic intuitive ability AND knows how to relax and "tune in". It doesn't matter much if they're using a deck of tarot cards or some other method. The convenient thing about a tarot deck is the great variety of archetypal symbols that are available in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:06 PM

Little Hawk,

I posted this in a PM a bit ago-

At the time of my husband's death and for a period after I was totally at sea. In some respects, I still am. While I cannot buy the Spirit Guide & aura "Stuff" I do believe that some people have an intuitive nature. That gift may be a help to those seeking answers--as I was. Clearly the woman we met that day was not one of those gifted people-that is one of the reasons for my pessimism.               

I have not closed the door on every aspect that may be beyond my human comprehension. I posted my query to find out if there may be any validity in Taro readings. That's it-in a nutshell.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 02:48 PM

These things are best done by friends as a therapeutic self discovery game and not as an assembly line profession at $125 a pop.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Partridge
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 03:00 PM

Ten of Cups
in the Future position.

A card in the right position indicates your questions future.

Great affection and perpetual happiness; lasting success; contentment; pleasure; prosperity.


I hope this is right!

Pat x

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 03:18 PM

I think there can be much validity in a tarot reading, Mickey191...providing it is done by a good reader. You'll have to use your own intuition and see if you can find one, I guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Wolfgang
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 03:24 PM

I've made only the best experiences with the Tarot cards. Tarot or Tarock is a fun game and schools the intellect. I've played it for several years every two weeks and I'm sad that where I live now noone seems to know it.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: GUEST,Kaleea , at another computer
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 07:43 PM

Mickey191 et all,

   
No one is required to believe. As with all things, there are those with great talent & those with little talents. There are also those who are charlatans which has nothing to do with talent. Whether Tarot, crystal ball, palms, looking into water or mirrors, or no props but just closing ones eyes to tune into the spiritual realm, people who run the gamut of ability are attempting receive a message for the seeker. There are many charlatans, and there are many who earnestly tune into the spiritual realm for the seeker because they genuinely desire to help others. It does not matter if they use tarot or read palms--There is an IrishAmerican lady who looks into a clear glass (or bowl) of water & receives messages that way. She is often on a local tv station because she is very good!
If you truly desire spiritual help but don't know who to trust, try a Spiritualist church. There may be one in your area. Giving messages from the Spiritual realm is usually a part of their regular Sunday service. Ask the people who attend for a reccomendation. They will usually know of someone who is a church member or perhaps one of the ministers. In the spiritualist church, the so called "reader" is called a "Medium" as they believe the message comes from the Heavenly realm through them to the seeker. I've know many who say "donation only." Some ask nothing. Some suggest around $20-$30 for a "reading" which takes about an hour.
Then there are some people out there with who have signs with neon lights with a palm or crystal ball advertising Madame Lollapalooza, sees all, blabs all; or perhaps The King of the alleged Gypsies or The Great Salami Swami who is full of baloney. They will tell you that you have a curse of ????????whatever, & they will remove it for you for only a mere $9999999999999999999999999999.99 or so. That's where you get up & leave & know that whatever they said is crud & junk.
Good Luck!

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 08:10 PM

Thank you Kaleea. Afraid if I entered a Church the walls might cave in.

When I was about 10ish- My Mother took me to a small party at her friend's home. The honoree was a tea leave reader. She evidently was quite good-as things happened to the ladies in the oncoming year Mom kept saying "The Reader" had fortold the events.

Of course the seer is long gone now---hell, I'm almost long gone too!

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Becca72
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 08:12 PM

I got a very accurate reading from a friend I've not known very long just a couple of weeks ago. Free of charge and just for fun, but it was almost entirely spot on.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 08:28 PM

there are 2 types of Tarot readers...those who are intentionally con artists



...and those who are honest, NON-intentional con artists.



so sue me.....

(grown up people, may, of course, spend their money any way they wish, but I can think of charities who could use that $125)

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 11:04 PM

I take great offence Bill D.-You know nothing of me-You have made an assumption & slur which which is totally unwarranted. I'll put my checkbook up against anyone on this site with no shame or hesitancy. You have some damned nerve. I have 4 charities which I give to monthly - Others I've named in my freakin' will. You Sir are a knave!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 11:05 PM

I take back the SIR-that is a title of respect-I have none for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Apr 07 - 11:21 PM

Assumption and slur? *tsk* If you truly feel insulted by my mild remarks, I apologize...
I was stating an opinion about Tarot readings and related beliefs. I made NO assumption that you did NOT support charities....only that the money did no good in helping YOU learn anything about yourself....which you, yourself, explained & admitted. You did learn that there is chicanery in that 'profession'...and perhaps that was worth the $125.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bert
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 12:24 AM

I know someone who is extremely good, she not only uses Tarot but also reads palms and uses runes.

I've seen grown men turn white when she has told them things about themselves.

One time she was reading a guys palm (she had never met this guy before)and said "You used to be a singer". Now, as far as I'm concerned, nobody 'used' to be a singer, you are either a singer or you are not.

Then he confessed, 'I used to sing in a choir, but I don't sing anymore'

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: MBSLynne
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 03:17 AM

Goodness Mickey, you are incredibly prickly!

My grandmother used to be able to read tea leaves and ordinary playing cards but could rarely if ever be persuaded to do it. I have the feeling that if she did it probably would have been pretty good

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: dianavan
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 11:33 AM

Mickey 191 -

"She never mentioned that I was a widow, had cancer, never had kids, and had just lost my beloved beagle."

She also didn't mention that you had a bad back and a chiropractor who read your aura and chanted.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 12:05 PM

Personally I think the whole lot is total bunkum, but heigh ho, P T Barnum, had a saying that might just fit!
Giok

(Sits back and waits for the force to beat down his front door ¦¬])

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 19 Apr 07 - 07:30 PM

dianavan, Didn't have a bad back or a chiropractor then. Guess her crystal ball was cloudy too.She couldn't tell the past nor the future. Please tell me your point?

JGMac--Barnum & you are !00% on the nose. I'll help you guard the door!

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Crystal
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 07:41 AM

Giok all you need is an open front door, a collecting tin, and a sign saying "Thiss way to the Egress"
No problem with mobs at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: *daylia*
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:06 AM

There are 2 types of Tarot readers...those who are intentionally con artists



...and those who are honest, NON-intentional con artists.



so sue me.....

(grown up people, may, of course, spend their money any way they wish, but I can think of charities who could use that $125)

Let's see -- in one short post, BillD stated that everyone who reads Tarot is a con artist, and that those who pay for such readings are both childish and unchariable. What talent! And quite the verbal assault, from one who thinks he doesn't make assumptions or 'slur' people!

Don't know how you define "slur" Bill, but I do know what the word means musically (ie, legato). And on that note, your touch and particulary your phrasing here leave a LOT of room for improvement.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:31 AM

I've watched a reading and had one (free) reading myself. They both turned out to be remarkably accurate in general - the watched reading suggested a great change, the love of his life just around the corner and she'd be Asian... a year later I saw him with his new wife, a very pregnant Chinese lady.

My reading told of another great change. I got fired from the library 2 weeks later, which lead to my present job as a Civil Servant. Had I not been fired, I would not have made the friendships I've made since and life would be rather duller.

Mind you, I'm still sceptic enough to feel that if someone feels the need to tell me something, they shouldn't expect to be paid for it.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:35 AM

Although, having tried the online tarot with the question 'will there be sausages for tea' I get this disturbing 'future' reading:

Lies. Danger near water. Betrayal. Fear. Repression. Poor judgment. Feeling alienated, removed from life. Having to contend with an exhausting, lawless imagination. Paranoia and hysteria. Mental illness. Lunacy.

So no sausages then, otherwise, it's about right!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:40 AM

Definitely the lunacy - that fits you to a T melove! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 09:51 AM

I'm not a lunatic... I'm not, really!! I'm not paranoid either, it's just no-one likes me!

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bert
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 10:39 AM

Aw! "I" like you Squeaksluv.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Darowyn
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 11:56 AM

A long way back in this thread, MBSLynne spoke about doing a Tarot reading and saying things intuitively which provoke the "how did you know that?" reaction.

Philosophically, I am a complete materialist. I don't believe in Angels, luck, spirit messages or that the future is in any way determined.

However, when times were hard, because I have the happy talent of being able to remember what I have read, I learned the formulae for Tarot and Palmistry. Because I knew the rules and can devise stories, people were happy to have readings done at fortune telling parties.

I had an agent who arranged them for me.

It was the phenomenon that Lynne described that led to my giving up.

It was getting too good, too accurate and too - I have to use the word- inspired.

I preferred to live in a world where science is king. I was shaken in my rationalist beliefs.But since I believe in empirical evidence, how can I reconcile the evidence of my own experience with the hypothesis that is it impossible? Scientific method requires me to re-examine the hypothesis.

BillD- think again- you can't base a scientific argument on the blind faith that something cannot happen, when there is evidence that it does. That is going back to the days of Galileo!

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 12:54 PM

That's an interesting story, Dave.

"I preferred to live in a world where science is king."

Yeah, a lot of people feel that way. I certainly did when I was in my youth...up until some time in my mid-20s. It was natural that I started out believing only in science, because I grew up in a non-religious, non-mystical family...and my dad was an engineer who had both feet firmly planted in the empirical worldview.

"you can't base a scientific argument on the blind faith that something cannot happen, when there is evidence that it does."

Heh! True. But the fact is, people can base ANY argument on blind faith, believe me. And they do. They just make sure not to give the evidence that does happen any of their time, their acknowledgement or their respect. They discount it, re-interpret it to fit their own established views, and scoff at it. They fall back on their pillar of blind faith.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 02:46 PM

Mickey 191 - "JGMac--Barnum & you are !00% on the nose."

What does that mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 02:49 PM

"...you can't base a scientific argument on the blind faith that something cannot happen, when there is evidence that it does."

yes...well, I have this kinda narrow concept of 'evidence'. Galileo had **evidence**. Subjective correlations in Tarot, Astrology, Phrenology, Palmistry, Oujia, and similar interesting pastimes are something else.

(and *daylia* - read carefully what I said up there in my answer to Mickey.)

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 03:00 PM

Dianavan,   "There's a SUCKER born every minute."

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 04:52 PM

Thats what I thought and that is exactly my point.

Mickey 191 is trolling.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bee
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 05:22 PM

I wouldn't call it trolling. He is stating strongly that he thinks Tarot and such things are bunkum, and you have strongly suggested they are not: what's the difference? Barnum's bon mot is well known.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 05:59 PM

I had a reading done in Salem, Massachusetts (that was recorded) for fun. It was just that, fun. About 75% of what was said was relevant and made sense to my life and the rest made for interesting conversations on our trip home from vacation.

WMP

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: dianavan
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 06:09 PM

Bee - Mickey 191 started another thread on auras and chanting.

Read my post April 19, 11:33 AM and Mickey post April 19, 7:30 PM.

Put two and two together.

Mickey is mighty interested in the supernatural for being a non-believer. I don't believe the stories are true.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 20 Apr 07 - 08:54 PM

Indeed I was the sucker who got taken by the card reader. No question about it. My query was if anyone here had a good reading. Simple question.

As for your pointing out 11:33 & 7:30 posts--Your point is???? It is clearly stated that I had no back problem at that time-ergo no Chiropractor. The Tarot reading was before my present health problems.

Your last "Mickey is mighty interested in the supernatural for being a non-believer. I don't believe the stories are true."

There'd be a hell of alot less books in the library if we read only of the things we are certain of. It's called exploration & broadening the mind. I'm still open to new concepts.

To wrap this up: I do not give a rat's ass if you believe me or not. I happen to be a truth teller.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: dianavan
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 12:53 PM

O.K., O.K. - So I was wrong.

I thought you were agreeing with me when I called you a troll. I thought you were saying that we were suckers for believing your story.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Mickey191
Date: 21 Apr 07 - 10:07 PM

Dianavan, Thanks for the apology. Mickey

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: kendall
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 05:50 AM

Becca72, I would prefer that you not read this one.
Since guest postings are not encouraged, I have to use my name.

A few years ago I was invited to visit a woman in a far off city. I'd known her for a few years, but hadn't kept close contact. One of the things we did was a Tarot card reading. I remember asking her how she picked the cards to read, and she said she didn't, the cards pick themselves. Anyway, she went through the whole routine which was mostly meaningless chatter. Finally, she looked at me and said that we were destined to be very close friends.
Later that evening, she told me that she only had one bed. That's when I realizd that the cards were right. :-) We did become very close friends. You could also say I was "taken" by a card reader.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: autolycus
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 01:14 PM

A lot of politicians,academics,car salesmen,other salesmen,many accountants,entertainers,manufacturers,business people,journalists,estate agents,advertising people,P.R. people,etc.etc

are frauds in one sense or another.


Can I take it we should dismiss the lot?



Or are those in the spiritual field going to be the only ones dumped on?






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bee
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 01:37 PM

I don't think the skeptics among us are 'dumping' on people who hold spiritualist beliefs. We're saying we don't hold those beliefs and think some people are duped into holding them, by themselves or by others. It is just as valid for me to say I think psychic phenomena are not real or are misunderstood/misinterpreted physical phenomena, as for you to say psychic phenomena are real and stem from some interplay of this world with another 'plane of existence'.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: GUEST,Non Fallor
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 03:10 PM

Telling fortunes is one thing, Tarot is another.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: GUEST,Simon
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 05:49 PM

As we are born with free will, there is no need to try and divine the future as we will get there anyway.

It is much more important do treat people with love and respect, and we will receive it back in spades.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: GUEST,Simon
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 05:52 PM

btw As in Matthew 7:12

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: kendall
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 08:44 PM

"There is one thing the gods will not forgive. If a woman calls a man to her bed and he won't go. That, the gods will not forgive."
(Zorba the Greek) one of the best films of all time.

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Apr 07 - 10:17 PM

The gods can't get it right ALL the time! I've had a couple of invitations that I KNEW were a bad idea.

"Never go to bed with someone you wouldn't like OUT of bed."

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 12:38 PM

Cold reading, hot reading, and the Barnum effect (nothing to do with the quote BTW) is what makes the reading appear surprisingly accurate.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Tarot Card Experience
From: GUEST,Non Fallor
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 03:25 PM

hedgerow wizars use the Trot's beguiling image to separate fools from their money. The Tarot is in fact a very compact map of the Universe and the wisdom that its proper understanding confers can be neither bought nor sold.