BS: DC Madam

Subject: BS: DC Madam
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:20 AM

The DC Madam, arrested for running the premium Washington DC escort service has given ABC her little black book of phone numbers.

The first loyal Bushie to resign for using the service was George Bush's Abstinence Czar in charge of Aids awarness.

She threatened to sell her records to pay for her defense but the goverment played tough. So she gave it away and will get a public defender.

If you go to a DC event and see the old guy with a Cosmo girl with all the moves you assume she is his escort. These guys won't go to the Kennedy Center alone so more ower to them. Then there are the guys who just want a massage at home.

Now uptight Republicans in this town are going to be more uptight than ever.
As the media massages this story I don;t expect any happy endings.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:39 AM

ABC is franticly trying to match phone numbers with names before numbers are canceled.
I bet the new NSA domestic spying "law" could help.


now let me see, is that Karl's # ?

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:58 AM

Now this is downright infringement!. I thought it was agreed that prominenent Dems would be involved with sex scandals while Repubs would content themselves with simple thievery. Let's have a stop to this kind of crossover flip-flopping.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 12:08 PM

She has called upon her clients to come forward and testify on her behalf.

I have no delusions that this will be a bipartisan hoopla-bruhaha.

The prosecutors party affiliation will be scrutinized. I expect new definitions of legal sex to pop up.

Overall this story is not as enjoyable as the Chinese invention of Panda porn which has proved to double the recalcitrant mating behavior of Pandas. Simple how to videos for Pandas may be on youtube already for all I know. First they tried Viagra but it proved to last WAY too long.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 01:48 PM

Here's a bit about the AIDS czar who just resigned as Deputy Secretary of State (and Condie wouldn't let him quit six months ago because he was "too valuable:)

(my emphasis) - Tobias, 65 and married, denied having sex during these encounters. To ward off later exposure, he also told ABC News that he has lately been using another escort service with Central American girls.

Tobias donated more than $100,000 to the Republican Party and in 2003, President George W. Bush made him America's first global AIDS coordinator with the rank of ambassador.

In that role, he promoted the conservative concept of promoting abstinence and faithfulness over condom use, coining the "ABC" slogan for the Bush administration's AIDS policy.

He explained "ABC" as "Abstinence works. Be faithful works. Condoms work. They all have a role. But it is not a multiple choice, where there is only one answer."

Tobias enforced the Bush administration's policy that requires recipients of AIDS-related funds to swear that they oppose prostitution and sex trafficking.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: dianavan
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 02:42 PM

Are those who voted Republican beginning to realize that the Bush administration have played them as fools?

What is their response?

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 02:47 PM

Ooo, la la!

So close to election time! Let the fireworks begin!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 02:56 PM

" Let's have a stop to this kind of crossover flip-flopping. "

If they'd had a bit more flip-flopping they wouldn't have used the escort service.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 03:02 PM

May I say 'family values' here? (smile...)

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 03:14 PM

"President George W. Bush made him America's first global AIDS coordinator with the rank of ambassador."


So, he was doing hands-on research. Uh, was any of this stuff on an expense account?

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 04:00 PM

Regarding his South American escort service, were the girls legal residents? Or did he have sex with ALIENS!

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 06:10 PM

I'd hope that he stuck with humans, but to each his own....

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Mickey191
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 06:20 PM

Now Folks,

This guy was only there for _DEEP MASSAGE THERAPY_.

Wouldn't it be funny (and wonderful) if Cheney & Rove went in tandem. And if there were tapes. And if there were still shots. And if there were video tapes. And if NBC were sent copys.

OH JOY! I'd die a happy woman.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 06:49 PM

Well, not too many people on Mudcat are gonna be able to say jackshit about it because they are already on record with the position that it was less than nothing when Clinton was getting his oil changed. Don't see why it would not still be less than nothing. -:)

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Bert
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:11 PM

The difference is that Clinton didn't pay for it (as far as we know) therefore it wasn't illegal.

The morality is the same though.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:13 PM

Oh, he paid. Big time!

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Bert
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:17 PM

Yer right there mate. And so will these guys.

I'm just waiting to see the whole list.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:19 PM

I'm with you, Bert.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:25 PM

"This guy was only there for _DEEP MASSAGE THERAPY_."

But WHO and WHAT was getting deep massaged?

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:32 PM

In his official capacity, Tobias enforced a controversial policy that cut off foreign aid to groups that helped third world sex workers.

What a guy...

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Amos
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:34 PM

ANd they argued all night
About who had the right
To do what, and with which, and to whom....

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 08:22 PM

Errr, I'm not sure this is important but Tobias was actually Deputy Secretary for the U. S. Agency for Internation development (AID):

"In an unusual statement issued at 5 p.m., State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Tobias informed Rice "today that he must step down as Director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and U.S. Agency for International Development Administrator effective immediately."

It's true that this agency does deal with the international problem of AIDS but some of the above well-intented posters are mischaracterizing Tobias as "AIDS Czar." AID has traditionally coordinated a much wider range of programs of international development around the world. No doubt the blogs and the mainstream media are making the same mistake, if they care.

At any rate, I'm certainly not unhappy to see another Republican hippocrit go, but let's call a "spad" a "spad."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 08:28 PM

Charley

When some people start digging, they stop when they think they have found what they thought they were looking for, not when they find what they were really looking for.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 09:17 PM

Ho hum. More government money being wasted on an investigation of what should be regarded as merely pleasureable acts between consulting adults. I am sure taxes were paid by the escort company; just add a luxury tax so that the customer pays as well.

Just looked into the yellow pages of the phone book in my city; all sorts of escort services (one adv. covers two full pages and offers "upscale girls to your door in minutes;" all colors, college girls, mistresses, etc.).
Beautiful Brazilians, China dolls, friendly 40's, irresistible 30's, Adventurous Housewives, Light weight, Full-bodied, Ravishing redheads, Fit and firm, All requests, Dominatrix, Aussie blondes (for Bob B.?), Greek, East Indian, Double Duty (2 for double the pleasure), Mrs. Robinson (hummm, she's getting sort of old).

Take your pleasure, gentlemen!

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 09:33 PM

"Well, not too many people on Mudcat are gonna be able to say jackshit about it because they are already on record with the position that it was less than nothing when Clinton was getting his oil changed"

I'm prepared to bet that those arrogant loud mouthed hypocrites who made the most noise AGAINST Clinton, will be nowhere to be seen now, and if they say anything at all, it will be to mirror the wonderment of Clinton supporters as to what all the fuss is about.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 09:36 PM

My point exactly. It didn't matter with Clinton, so why should it matter with these guys?

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 09:55 PM

Because this guy denied funding to any international program that did not swear to promote abstinence.

Did Clinton do similar?

The difference is not in the act. It is in the dichotomy between public pronouncements and positions, and private behavior.

Hypocrisy is the key word.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: folk1e
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 09:58 PM

It should matter with these guys, because they were publically opposed to it whilst privately enjoying all the benefits!
In my book that is hipocracy! It is also a measure of the confidence we should have in them to do what they say they will do.
Personally I would have a lot more respect for ANY of them if they just said " I think it's OK"

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 09:59 PM

Remember, they're all presumed innocent-- until they come back positive for STDs, that is.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:07 PM

"Did Clinton do similar?"

I doubt it. But he did do worse. Think Somalia.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:12 PM

Oh, BTW, I don't doubt there will be more than a few Democrats on that list.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:13 PM

. . . but they will have gone for massages while the Republicans went for tawdry but expensive sex.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Mickey191
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 10:30 PM

Typed & clicked this at 7:10. Was I deleted?

It's the hypocrisy of the man. His ABC's - his moral posture. All the while he's beating a path (or something else) to the Bordello door. The Madame, according to ABC news, said she didn't have the names of the clients. She had only their telephone numbers.
Can you spell WHOPPER??

I don't think Bill ever lectured us on morals.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:21 PM

"The Madame, according to ABC news, said she didn't have the names of the clients. She only had their phone numbers."

Riigghhttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:28 PM

"DC Madam"

The restless curious mind is inevetibly drawn to thouoghts of "AC/DC"...

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:31 PM

Well, they were a great band...

Naughty!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:37 PM

'During his initial campaign, Clinton spoke of, "A New Covenant with America," that represented ethical standards that all Democrats could be proud of. "We offer our people a new choice based on old values. We offer opportunity. We demand responsibility. We will build an American community again. The choice we offer is not conservative or liberal. In many ways, it's not even Republican or Democratic. It's different. It's new. And it will work. It will work because it is rooted in the vision and the values of the American people."'

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Bert
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:38 PM

She claims that there was no sex involved. I wonder just what they were getting for their $200 to $300.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 30 Apr 07 - 11:44 PM

Saw in one news column that she charged $300/hour.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 May 07 - 12:06 AM

"It will work because it is rooted"


No - I'll be good....

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Sorcha
Date: 01 May 07 - 01:20 AM

I thought I said something about aliens....did I get deleted too?

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: alanabit
Date: 01 May 07 - 03:35 AM

"In his official capacity, Tobias enforced a controversial policy that cut off foreign aid to groups that helped third world sex workers.

What a guy... "
(Kat Date: 30 Apr 07 - 07:32 PM)

Maybe he was just going in for some direct funding?

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Bee
Date: 01 May 07 - 06:48 AM

Sorcha and Mickey: Mudcat sometimes mysteriously deletes random posts of mine, some of which said nothing more controversial than a Good Morning. I have suspected my cranky dialup connection.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Green Man
Date: 01 May 07 - 11:47 AM

Green Man Grins!!

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Grab
Date: 01 May 07 - 01:26 PM

My point exactly. It didn't matter with Clinton, so why should it matter with these guys?

Depends whether hypocrisy floats your boat. The problem is not that he used prostitutes (or "masseuses" if you like), but that he and his mates have been publicly damning everyone who was ever promiscuous or unfaithful whilst privately getting their end away with callgirls.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 07 - 02:51 PM

That may well be. And I don't doubt that the list will have Democrats on it also. However, Clinton was no less hypocritical with his jaunts. He did it on taxpayers' time. I still see little difference. No, hypocricy doesn't 'float my boat', and the implication it does is mildly insulting. I still see little difference. If you need an excuse to rant at Republicans, there are hundreds of valid ones. This isn't, IMO. And finding that Republicans (or Democrats) are hypocritical--gee, that's not news.

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 May 07 - 04:49 PM

The difference is the GOP have wrapped themselves in a flag of "family values" and "true" patriotism judging anyone who didn't adhere to their rules of life, i.e. white, male, married, monogamous, no minorities,no gays, no independent women, etc. THEY are TRUE hypocrites as is evident every time one of these scandals come out.

Clinton was Clinton...

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Peace
Date: 01 May 07 - 04:59 PM

'During his initial campaign, Clinton spoke of, "A New Covenant with America," that represented ethical standards that all Democrats could be proud of. "We offer our people a new choice based on old values. We offer opportunity. We demand responsibility. We will build an American community again. The choice we offer is not conservative or liberal. In many ways, it's not even Republican or Democratic. It's different. It's new. And it will work. It will work because it is rooted in the vision and the values of the American people."'

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Etan
Date: 01 May 07 - 06:16 PM

Re: Comparisons to Clinton

Anytime sex comes up in an employer / employee relationship it's ugly ... just not as ugly as a video of Rove or Cheney with their pants around their ankles.

I'm not against politicians having sex with whoever or whatever they lust after (eg consenting pandas of legal age), I just don't like sex getting mixed up with money & lies.

-- Etan

Subject: RE: BS: DC Madam
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 May 07 - 07:44 PM

Unfortunately the American and Canadian colonies had no practical system of investigating the aliens arriving on ships from Europe; as a result a large number of puritans and others of that ilk were able to take up residence.
Protected as they are by current constitutional provisions, it is impossible to class their descendants as illegal aliens and deport them.