BS: Asbestos Question???

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 25 May 07 - 06:24 PM

Yes, Alf, that is purdy much what we are trying to keep in place while larger solutions occur around the stuff... The hairspray idea is the one I'm going to try first... Yeah, I always us strong lights when messin' with the stuff so you can see if you are disturbin' it enough for it to shead dust...

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Alf
Date: 25 May 07 - 04:28 PM

just wanted to say ... i know this thread is getting old... but isnt the dammage liable to come from the fibers you can't see? (With the post to working with strong lights) Just my 2 pennith on the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: SINSULL
Date: 23 May 07 - 10:53 PM

Well, ServPro has been and gone. The basement no longer reeks of kitty litter. Instead the entire house smells like a subway rest room. Disinfectant - YECHHHHHH! I have windows open despite the cold and fans exhausting. This is really wearing thin.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Blindlemonsteve
Date: 23 May 07 - 03:55 PM

Hi Ya
What we used to do as matter of course after every clearance was to spray a water/pva mixture with a garden sprayer to encapsulate any loose fibres that might have occured, and to dampen down the atmosphere, as asbestos is ok when wet. I also had the thought the other day, why noy encapsulate the offending area in Expanding foam. nothing can get out of that. I live in spain, we have a plaster here called YESO, it would be ideal for your problem, it sets rock hard in seconds and is as cheap as chips.

Hope it helps

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 22 May 07 - 08:41 PM

Thanks Rowan and Barry...

Good ideas...

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Rowan
Date: 22 May 07 - 07:33 PM

Bobert, I was thinking overnight about your intention to use hairspray and thought I could make a useful comment.

I get the impression the asbestos is in an enclosed space. Hairspray is flammable and, dispersed as spray in an enclosed space may make the atmosphere vulnerable to any spark. So here's an alternative that's probably less risky but just as effective.

Your intention is to stabilise the surface of the asbestos for the lifetime of your occupancy and, hopefully, of the building.

Any physical disturbance to dry asbestos will cause dust to stir; this is to be avoided. The best avoidance method is to wet it; a bit of wetting agent (detergent?) allows the water to penetrate more than just the very outside.

Then you need to coat it. How does one coat asbestos that's wet?

Someone suggested PVA and that might be acceptable but so would water soluble plastic-based paint. The latter has the following advantages;
1 once dry it's more or less permanent (it won't dissolve under a drip like PVA),
2 it can be colour coded and/or painted over,
3 it can have appropriate labels/warnings painted over the background paint.

All the best.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 May 07 - 02:04 AM

Hi Bobert
After the spraying wrap the pipe in plastic, like saranwrap or some other self sticking wrap like "shrink wrap" then duct tape. The plastic wrap will wrap easier than tape, won't put stress on the pipe insulation as you wrap it so that the fibers won't be disturbed & will stay encapsulated as you further wrap with tape.

Another suggestion would be to use an ice & water shield rubber membrane or another butal self adhering rubber tape. The problem with butal tapes would be from sunlight exposure, which the UV rays eventually cause the then to breakdown.

For encapsulation & "some" removals you do not need to be liscensed. But for all removals you do need to submit to the building dept an "Asbestos Plan". The dept has so many days to review it & either deny or except it. The plan includes an inspection & lab report report, a lay out plan of where all concentrations of asbestos lies within the work site & "where it isn't". It also calls for a discription of asbestoes type, in what form it's in & how's it's to be removed & disposed of. It also requires a paper trail from removal to disposal site. It specifies if air quality monitoring is required as well as washing stations. It also outlines weither it can be removed by non liscenced workers. If particals are imbetted within materials that when removed do not allow disbersment into the air (some flooring & roofing materials) then anyone can remove them but it has to done by following set guide lines, wetting, double bagging, taping, etc. All permits to proceed, remove & disposed of need to be filed with you, the disposal company, the licsenced land fill, the owners & the building department & anyone else that has their nose in it. This is where the money goes when you get chharged $100 hr, trhe person removing it gets the same as any other labor, union they do a bit better but the bulk of the money goes to the above costs.

I can't say as I blame you, I'd probably be very carefull & wrap my own pipes too.   

Good luck
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 May 07 - 09:12 PM

Bobert

by now you should know that if you want to do anything that anybody may have an opinion on, you should never post about it to Mudcat. Just do it - then post about it, and you can then get sympathy, or maybe even flowers...


:-P

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: bobad
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:54 PM

What is hairspray made of?
            
    Hairspray is a solution of long, chainlike molecules (called polymers) in a very volatile solvent. Spraying deposits a stiff layer of the polymer on your hair after the solvent evaporates.

    The solvent used was once a compound of carbon, fluorine, and chlorine (a chlorofluorocarbon, or CFC). CFCs are nontoxic, nonflammable, and make almost ideal aerosol propellants. But when it was learned that they cause destruction of stratospheric ozone, they were replaced with other solvents, like alcohols and hydrocarbons. Unfortunately, these are flammable.

    One of the polymers used is polyvinylpyrrolidine, which is also used to glue the layers of wood in plywood together. An non-water soluble polymer called polydimethylsiloxane is added to make the hold last a bit longer (the polyvinylpyrrolidine is water soluble).

    Other polymers used in plastic-based hairsprays are copolymers with vinyl acetate and copolymers with maleic anhydride .[1]

    Some hairsprays use natural polymers and solvents like vegetable gums dissolved in alcohol. One popular ingredient is gum arabic is made from the sap of certain trees that grow in the Sudan. Gum tragacanth is another herbal gum that is used to stiffen calico and crepe, as well as hair.

       1. Ben Selinger, Chemistry in the Marketplace, 4th ed. (Harcourt Brace, 1994).

    Author: Fred Senese [e-mail]

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:38 PM

Oh sure, I know all about asbestos... Yeah, I lived thru the 50's when the stuff was everywhere and it 'weren't nuthin'"...

But I also know that ther folks were wrong then... It ***is*** something... And it ***is*** a very bad something...

Okay, this is my 3rd renovation project in 3 years and in all of them I have had to deal with asbestos... I've paid the professionals and I've done it myslef... The professionals are small companies (no, corporations...) who hire young folks who really don't give a danged about much so they put on the suits and masks, go to war and then laugh about it... The owner of the company bills you crazy money, you pay it and you come away thinkin, "Hey, I can do that a lot cheaper..." And just as safe...

That's what this thread is about...

I had an idea and, well, my idea was confirmed early except that harispray was the "fixer" instead o paint seems to be the way to go...

Like I said, I'll try it (mask and paper suits) under good lighting on a small test area and see if it distrubs the dust... If it doesn't then the wrappin' become a piece of cake... Wrappin, in these old buildings, is the goal... The asbestos stays where it is and isn't allowed ***out to play***...

Yeah, I appreciate folks warning me about this and that but paying kids $100 and hour to do the same thing I can do ain't appealing to me... Sure, for every component of renovation there are so-called experts 'cause they signed up as so or took a test but...

...not to worry, I can do this as well, or better, the experts... If I get too much dust, I'll be back but for now it's...

...cheap hairspray....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:29 PM

Dad bought some asbestos for insulation and stored it in the attic. We played on it. Mom had asbestos pads to place under cooking pots to prevent scorching.These were used daily. Then again, Howard Beach was invested with mosquitos and the DTD truck came through weekly with us playing in the spray. A wonder we are alive, Of course there have been a wide variety of "rare" diseases in the family. SIGH And too many childen born with strange problems...

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Cruz
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:11 PM

Uh, that should be brake drums...

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Cruz
Date: 21 May 07 - 08:08 PM

"It ain't brain surgery..."

But it could be lung surgery!

Most of us over 50 years old have unfortunately been exposed to asbestos in one form or the other. In the late 1970s the asbestos issue was heightened. I worked as a mechanic and used to use an air hose to blow break drums out and rotors off, then they said we needed special "washing units". While in the military in the early 1970s, I more than once brushed up against the white asbestos insulation coating of pipes and got a glistening white residue on my uniform and I buzz saw cut and installed asbestos wallboards for a miltary building. Old wiring also has asbestos in it and is often wrapped as one of the insulating strands along with cardboard and /or paper. As a welder, I often used an asbestos blanket for protection from hot metal and slag. I also used cement that had asbestos fibers in it in the last 1970s. Often I did not always use a mask and any one that works all day with shoveling cement into a mixer knows that the dust cakes in your nostrils and gets all over your clothes. Again, the hazards were not well known at that time. Sometimes you just have to do the work that is required of you.

I hate the stuff but it was well used, mostly unknowingly of the health hazards, for many useful purposes. I think that fiberglass is almost as bad except the fibers usually do not settle down in the deepest part of the lungs as asbestos fibers do.

One thought: I doubt we could have won World War II without asbestos use in shipbuilding.

Remember in grade school in the 1950s and 60s when you used to play with mercury, with the teacher blessing, and the "meaner" kids would throw it against the wall to see how many little balls it would split into? Oh those days of blissful ignorance.

Good luck Bobert.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Rowan
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:50 PM

"It ain't brain surgery..."
Which is basically the response from the workers at Wittenoom and the manufacturers of the various products that used its asbestos. James Hardy has been the centre of a long running scandal concerning asbestos in Australia; because I've been living through it I've no need to Google it, but anyone wishing to muck about with asbestos ought to know about asbestosis and mesothelioma.

One of the cases brought to light was a 33 year old woman whose only exposure to asbestos was one day when she was three years old and her father demolished a fibro clad extension and stacked it all in the driveway before taking it to the tip; she'd played in the stack for only about an hour but she died of the exposure thirty years later.

Bobert, like me, you may have lived through all sorts of nasties and come through unscathed. In the past, the hazards I recognised I subjected to a rough and ready risk analysis and, like you, I'm still here. I've lived an exciting life and I still take that approach. As I get older I recognise I was exposed to hazards I didn't recognise at the time. I don't regret what I did and I'm still healthy. If I start playing around now with asbestos it's quite probable I'll die of old age before the mesothelioma starts. But I have no intention of exposing myself unnecessarily to either asbestos nor to legal vulnerability. I strongly commend such avoidance to you and the other readers of this thread.

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 21 May 07 - 07:17 PM

Well, gol danged.... Couple of you7 folks must think I just fell off the turnip truck...

I been 'round old building most of my life... I seen what the so called "experts" who charge $100 per man hour do and guess what??? It ain't brain surgery...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Chicken Charlie
Date: 21 May 07 - 04:48 PM

I suspect that any spray paint or anything else under pressure is going to blast a certain amount of asbestos into the air in the process of "sealing" the rest. In addition, you have to be in proximity to the asbestos to use your proposed method, which increases the odds of inhaling enough of it to hurt yourself.

I'm with the people who have said "err on the side of caution."

C.C.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: SINSULL
Date: 21 May 07 - 03:20 PM

re: tiles. I had just had ServPro in to give me an estimate on sanitizing my basement - it stills reeks after the flood. A small room down there has tiles. He recommends removing them BUT if he does it he has to test for asbestos and then bring in a pro. I am having the floor sanitized but thought I would remove the tiles myself. Now I wonder. After the roof, the tree, the fence, etc. there is simply no money for this. SIGH

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST
Date: 21 May 07 - 05:56 AM

If you found an unexploded bomb in your back yard would you try defusing it yourself or would you call in the bomb squad ?

Some good advice on here about getting the experts in.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 20 May 07 - 08:43 PM

Good advice, blind-ster... I have a report that was done before I bought the old building... The guy told me exactly where every thing is... One thing that lots of folks don't realize is that old linoleum flooring and some floor tiles also have asbestos in them...

Think about that for a second, will ya???

Yeah, most of the tile floors in the old hotel have 12% asbestos... They are much easier to deal with becuase you can put shellack on them, then glues and screwed luan and then new floors and 100% of the asbestos is now perminently sealed...

Pipes aren't as easy...

Yeah, I will be carefull and I will get a report, especially since I may be building out a portion of the basement (where these pipes are) for a commercial space...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: mick p r.m s.c
Date: 20 May 07 - 06:40 PM

I JUST WONDER HOW MANY OF US HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO ASBESTOS IN SOME WAY OR ANOTHER IN OUR LIVES. I HAVE BEEN DRINKING IN A LOCAL PUB IN MY VILLAGE FOR MANY YEARS. A FEW WEEKS AGO IT WAS CLOSED DUE TO ASBESTOS IN THE CELLAR AND CONCERT ROOM.
WHEN I WAS YOUNG 45 YEARS AGO I USED TO PLAY IN AN OLD FACTORY WHICH I NOW FIND OUT WAS FULL OF THE STUFF.

                         CHEERS MICK

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Blindlemonsteve
Date: 20 May 07 - 02:54 PM

Dianavan, only thing i can suggest is to wrap the tank in a glass fibre jacket. maybe try fibre glass and resin, apart from that, i couldnt think of anything else...
Bobert, just to be on the safe side, when you have finished why dont you get an air test done by a local independent air analysis company, , at least that way, no one can sue the ass off you if they ever get asbestosis, but dont tell them you have touched it, tell them you are thinking of having it removed and want to know how intrusive it is in the air.
It´ll cost you a few quid, but at least you´ll be covered.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,dianavan
Date: 20 May 07 - 04:48 AM

I am probably going to get an earfull but here goes.

I bought a house with an ancient hot-water heating system. It works great, the trouble is the boiler which is cemented with white asbestos. The previous owner advised me to paint it with latex once a year. Unfortunately, I have not done this and I notice that there are cracks forming and it looks like pieces of the asbestos might dislodge.

Please don't tell me to get rid of it because it will cost a minimum of $10,000.00 which I do not have.

Is there a safe way to patch the existing asbestos cement?

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 May 07 - 10:37 PM

Asbestos removal laws vary according to the State regulations, but nearly all require that the asbestos removal be done by licensed professionals.

If anyone is exposed to asbestos as a result of illegal removal procedures, the owner of the property is liable to suit. It is almost impossible to fight such an action if removal was by unlawful means; a jury won't ask if the exposure was due to your actions, or happened at a prior time and you are just handy to pin the blame on.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 19 May 07 - 10:06 PM

Call a professional???

Why??? So I can pay $100 an hour per man for 3 weeks of work and go broke paying someone else to do excatly what I am going to do???

Not a realistic answer...

The "Hey, what's a little asbestos" comment is also reality... There is so much of this stuff in old buildings in the US that if you could harvest it, turn it into a breathable powder that you could probably kill off the entire population...

This isn' the issue... What is the issue is what I can do with my little stash of it.... That is why I posed the original question... Hey, 10 years ago the supposed asbestoe folks were removing it regardless... Now adays that just isn't a viable option in many cases such as old buildings that are being rehabed... It just insn't cost effective and if every company that was into rehabin' had to do it then many old buildings would just sit there boarded up...

I think the hair spray will work... I've been around enough of this stuff in my day so it isn't like I'm so novice... I've seen how loose asbestos reacts to being messed with... That's why I thought that spary paint might "fix" it during the wrapping stage... Hair spray I think will work much better... The key is to not allow it to do much more than settle on the asbestos buy holding it away from the stuff when spraying...

I'll have strong lights on it so I can see if it's working... Asbestos dust is quite visable so it won't take long...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Blindlemonsteve
Date: 19 May 07 - 02:46 PM

Hairspray will be sufficient to stick micro fibres together, you would be amazed at the results we used to get when we got a failure from the analysts.

Depending on what type of Asbestos you have, if its board, i.e white cement asbestos, just use a mask, keep area well ventilated and remove it trying not to break too much, if its blue lagging asbestos.... do not even touch it, get a pro in to sort it out, it will cost you, but at least you know your gonna be safe. I am sure the authorities wouldnt be happy if they found out you have wrapped up asbestos and painted it in a building used by the public.

Just a quick story, when i was stripping a site one day, we were outside having a break and this old man came up and congratulated us on a job well done, we thought he was a bit of a nutter, but he went on to tell us that him and his 4 brothjers worked in the shipping industry. During the war, they were building warships, his brothers jobs were to line the hull with blue asbestos, he wanted to get down there because the money was better, but he was too young, so he had to mix it on the deck. All his brothers were dead withing 12 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Alice
Date: 19 May 07 - 12:21 PM

Spraying hairspray or anything like that on it will disturb the asbestos particles on the surface enough to blow some of them into the air.
Call a professional. It isn't worth the risk that you would just be spreading some of it around, so when you take your mask off, you would still be breathing some in.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: danensis
Date: 19 May 07 - 11:41 AM

Trying saying "hey, what's a little asbestos anyway" to the widows of those who worked at Acre Mill, and who get asbestosis from putting their husband's overalls in the wash. Or the children who developed it from giving their dad a cuddle when he came home from the mill. It is well established that a single fibre is sufficient to trigger the cancer, indeed that has been used as a get-out clause by insurers to avoid responsibility for workers who have encountered asbestos at more than one employment.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 07 - 07:45 PM

Firget it... It's an old hotel built in 1833 and I love it... Hey, what's a little asbestos anyway???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: folk1e
Date: 18 May 07 - 07:05 PM

or burn it down.......

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,~~~oo~~~
Date: 18 May 07 - 06:43 PM

Just blow up the building. It worked on 9/11.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: folk1e
Date: 18 May 07 - 06:34 PM

Whilst you are "googling" check the difference between Blue, White and Brown Asbestos!
The law (in the UK) has tightend up over the last 20 years but you were allowed to work with White or Brown but NOT with Blue!
I did a job in Turners Asbestos in trafford park 25 years ago and the safety kit they were using then was top of the line, electric powered posative pressure filtered full face masks etc! There was one of there lads who thaught it was all "overblown hype, just like that anthracite stuff" who insisted in wearing only a boiler suit tied round his waist ..... I wonder where he is buried now?

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 07 - 06:32 PM

Thanks, blindlemon... The hairspray is definately a good idea... That's kinda what I was askin' about the spray paint...

And not to worry... I'm not removing it... I'm just going to wrap it up and tape the heck outta of it with...

...proper precations...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,blindlemonsteve
Date: 18 May 07 - 06:21 PM

Hi Bobert
I dont know if it helps, but i used to be a licensed asbestos remover. i stopped doing it because i couldnt stand to put that damned mask on for one more day. but, here is a trick we used to use to get an area certified as clear.

1, make sure area is well ventilated.

2, spray area with a really cheap hairspray, and especially spray area to be removed thouroughly, only then, and with a mask, remove affected area, keep spraying area, the fumes will taste like shit, but it will save you having to cordon off, seal off, air locks through vents etc etc.

3, ignore everything i just said and get someone qualified in to remove it. It will save you wondering if something nasty is going to come and get you like i do every now and then.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 18 May 07 - 06:21 PM

I've already lost one mate to mesothelioma, so my inclination is to take no chances with fibrous asbestos.
However, if you must be contrary and stupid, keep everything wet with a mist spray, wear a proper filter mask, overall suit, rubber gloves and overshoes, double-bag all waste and make sure everything's sealed under a good layer of thick paint (in the UK aluminium paint was often used to seal asbestos lagging).
But why take the risk?

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Bobert
Date: 18 May 07 - 05:56 PM

Forget hiring a pro...

All they do is charge you a gazillion dollar$s to do purdy much what I have done in the past and that is to wrap and tape it, with mask, gloves, paper suit, etc...

I ain't no dummy... I know the laws... I know that I am allowed to cover or wrap it as the owner of the building... I know I can't remove it... Removing asbestos ain't real smart anyway...

I just was wonde3ring about the arosol can if held back far enough so the paint would just kinda settle on the stiff rather than blow it...

I'm curious abnout the Walrus's idea but will spend a little more time in Google on other methods...

BObert

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:43 PM

I have been told that cancers can start from about 10 years from exposure.
I would prefer to hire a 95 year old. And , maybe take out plenty of insurance on this person. Likely, beats the lotto odds of a pay-off.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:40 PM

1) It is an offense to dispose of asbestos in most locals outside of a hazardous site.Definately illegal to dispose in a government landfill.

2) you can contaminate others from your clothes hair etc (it stays around).

3) Many pros say a resparator offers the best protection for workers. They tape around masks to ensure the small particles do not enter airways around the seal (as with mold).Water is sprayed in the sourrounding air to reduce airborne particles. This concentrates the material on the ground (where it still can impact people, if it gets airborne or on clothes). They use plastic taped around outside surfaces to contain and double bag in thick plastic bags. If particles get in your house,, they get airborne later (i.e. clothes, fans, vacume cleaner)

4) It may cost to hire a pro. It depends on how much you value your health and life?

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Seaking
Date: 18 May 07 - 07:18 AM

Beat advice is to get someone in who know what they're doing and are licenced to do it. If you insist on going near this stuff a full face particulate filter mask is essential (look for FFP3). Also, use disposal paper suits, gloves and be careful not to contaminate anything else while you're disposing of it.

It can take 20-30 years to catch up with you after initial exposure. A colleague commented recently that the best people to employ to do this type of work would be in the 80+ year old age bracket.

Chris

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Jeri
Date: 18 May 07 - 07:01 AM

I'll echo the previous commentse: 1) hire a pro, and 2) why are you still alive!? Sometimes, things like this seem like a slapstick comedy skit without the comedy.

Encapsulation is good, paint is probably good, tape is good. Spray-paint, maybe not so much. That the force with which the stuff comes out could conceibably knock something into the air before the paint gloms onto it. Also, metals in spray paint such as cadmium, and solvents, aren't less carciinogenic than asbestos. You'd need a respirator that filters vapors AND particulates.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: JennieG
Date: 18 May 07 - 03:43 AM

Or ask my friend Kathleen - she lost her husband to mesothelioma (asbestos-related cancer) 35 years after he worked with the stuff.

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Alice
Date: 17 May 07 - 11:18 PM

Ask the people in Libby, Montana about the careless attitude toward working with asbestos.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Gurney
Date: 17 May 07 - 11:10 PM

I've got rid of an old blue-asbestos fire blanket by soaking it in thinned-down surplus paint. Once in the landfill, it should stay that way forever. Even stacked newspapers aren't changed significantly after 50 years in a landfill.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 May 07 - 11:07 PM

My wife's-->cousin's-->husband, worked for Bechtel in Saudi Arabia. where work safety laws a la OSHA tended to be pretty lax, if not non-existent. He died of asbestosis and lung cancer brought on by breathing asbestos dust.

He fancied himself a tough guy. He didn't feel so tough the last few months he was alive.

Bobert, don't mess with that stuff!!!   Leave it to the guys in the haz-mat suits!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 17 May 07 - 11:00 PM

Alice is right.Hire a pro.
This is dangerous stuff to deal with. The micrscopic fibers get everywhere They can even threaten others who don't disturb it themselves.
You cant see or feel the effect for years.
Then its too late.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Alice
Date: 17 May 07 - 10:43 PM

Bobert, how long did you want to keep that body you are in?
Get an expert to handle it or at least advise you on how to handle it. Most Yellow Pages have a heading for "Asbestos Removal Services".

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 07 - 10:24 PM

Yeah!!!

Seal the stuff in - do not let it get airborn.

You are safe - everyone is safe

Except for FedMogul that swallowed the "poison pill" of the UK's absurd legal system.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: bobad
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:35 PM

Lots of info available if you Google "asbestos encapsulation".

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: The Walrus
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:33 PM

Bobert,

I would suggest painting a diluted PVA adhesive (perhaps 1:1 or 3:2 PVA:Water) applied with a suirrel 'mop' brush (if you use an aerosol it is likely to distribute the fibres, brushing with a 'mop' will tend to consolodate the surface, holding down the fibres and forming a skin.
When dry, this should hold the fibres while wrapping.

I do agree with Sorcha, get a mask with a suitable asbestos filter and I'd recommend a paper oversuit to be removed and disposed of - but then you probably know the uual precautions for removal and disposal.

Just an idea, I'm not an asbestos expert.

Walrus

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:25 PM

I think federal law says that one must hire specially trained, certified hazardous waste removers, rather than removing it oneself.

That said, I think I would 'paint' it with lacquer of some kind, like urethane, let it dry and then wrap it.

Of course, that would mean that I was pushing the issue onto another generation of people.

Subject: RE: BS: Asbestos Question???
From: Sorcha
Date: 17 May 07 - 09:08 PM

Wear an asbestos mask and just get rid of the stuff. I have NO idea if your idea will work.