scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 03:10 PM

NB I only moan about not being invited to the party!

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 02:28 PM

Indeed, a lot of people do moan, Stallion (looking at postings on 11/7 and 25/7) :-) But you can never please all the people all the time.

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 01:06 PM

I am sure he did, it is an odious task at the best of times, I think one has to be a masochist or really dedicated to stick ones head above the parapet and do it!

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 12:52 PM

Richard organised a good festival.[hope thats grammatically correct].

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 03:09 PM

I can't answer that but I do know the people to ask, not that I really want the poisoned chalice of being involved with organising anything ( officially) everyone, well a lot of people moan! ;o)

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 02:59 PM

That would be great, but I can't see Richard taking that on - I think he probably has enough to do! I think there are quite a number of B&Bs and guest houses in Scarborough that aren't expensive though, especially as people don't have to pay to attend the festival itself.

As to your first para., I think that's already happening. I suspect quite a few do it for accommodation only or something of that sort. I think the Council already get quite a lot for not very much on the music side of things, although I don't know that for certain. I suggested before that collecting boxes wouldn't come amiss, but I wonder whether the Council like to be seen as providing something 'for free' to the visitors, or even to the locals?

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 05:38 AM

BB
As for artists I am sure there are some who would do it just to be showcased and would settle for expenses, although there are issues with people trying to make a living and the council "getting summat for nowt", it might be explored.
As to getting more "folkies" in to Scarborough there isn't any suitable camping for miles, I did think about the car park on the hill above the North Bay but the security issues make it a non starter. There are campsites but they are three to four miles out of town. Having said that there can be some cheap deals in guest houses and it might be possible to sign a few up and have "allocation on arrival". That would require a degree of organisation and the whole Festival jacked up a level. I can make enquiries and see if there is any interest from the local hoteliers.

Peter

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 01:02 PM

Certainly I agree, Helen, as I think I said back in a post some days ago. And sure, the not so good spots are the luck of the draw. And the Anchorage is a really good venue, and quiet too, but still with Joe Public in there. It's a really good chance to get through to non-folkies.

I think the venues do have to be near the West Pier, simply in terms of the performers getting from one venue to the next in double quick time! And because people should be able easily to dip in and out of the different venues as they wish.

I'd really like to see more folkies there as well as the public though.

Peter, I think your point about the Council dipping further into their pockets for a proper marquee is a bit of a forlorn hope, although undoubtedly a good idea - just an open-sided one would work, just so that the audience don't get rained on, but still feel the freedom to come and go with ease. A larger budget for performers would make life easier - six or seven different venues in one day is really a bit much for one act to do! More performers would allow a bit more time for us to support other performers too.

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 12:32 PM

There are but not on the Harbour side, I think one of the attractions of the main stage is the fact that it is on the Fish Pier, it would be better if the council dug into it's pockets and got a proper marquee, the first two years it persisted down most of the time and it wasn't fun for spectators. last year the "Seaman's Mission" was used for a singaround and I thought it would be an ideal venue but for the fact it was a "cups of tea only" venue. The first year was a bit of a battle in some of the pubs, I was only a spectator and it annoyed the hell out of me that I couldn't hear some of the performers, last year it was a bit better and this year, although I only caught the back end on Sunday afternoon, it seems to have improved again. Truth is, all the proprietors on the sea front want to pack the punters in to make money (and why shouldn't they it is a short season) so although pubs like the Golden Ball who have a usefull sized room, which could be set aside for the sea fest use, they would rather fill it with families drinking and eating. There are one or two places up town, near the Railway Station, that would probably do nicely but a bit of a trek from the main stage. oops,just thought, our old school gym is still there and doesn't look as if it has been used for ages, that is just a spit from the harbour. I'll check it out.
Peter

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:58 AM

yes, a good festival,another venue like the anchorage club,would be good,are there any other club rooms in Scarborough,such as a labour/liberal/constitutional /conservative club,with a bar.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 10:45 AM

2BS&S contact
Peter

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: CannieShieldsLaddie
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 05:39 AM

Highly re-commended for next year:-

Two Black Sheep and a Stallion

Go book em Richard.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 03:59 AM

Sorry Barbara ... I did say largely eliminated, not entirely! Steve & I did the Turks Head last year and had the same experience - a bad patch but some really enjoyable periods too. And about 3 years back I remember singing in the Leeds Arms on the Saturday night: I stood on a table and belted out Mary Ellen Carter at top volume and still couldn't be heard a few feet away, yet this year I was able to sing a couple of very quiet, restrained ballads in my set (same pub, same time) with no problems at all.
Still, all in all a good festival, don't you agree?

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 03:21 PM

BB,You had the worst spot,.the rowdy crowd left after you and Tom departed,and I had a relatively easy spot,it was quite an attentive audience,as I think did Matt Armour.[just the luck of the draw]
I must say you coped admirably,and your spot was very good.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 02:53 PM

"Seafest has suffered over the years from a few pubs which were unworkable on the saturday night (trial and error in the first couple of years), but that has now largely been eliminated as a problem."

Ah, but you, Helen, were lucky enough to be in the Leeds Arms rather than the Turk's Head on Saturday night this year! :-) I won't say that the latter was unworkable, but it certainly wasn't easy!

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 05:08 AM

yes I too appreciated Jim Radfords contribution on the saturday night[I didnt get to the LEEDS ARMS till ten oclock ,as I was performing in the Turks head].I would echo Helens sentiments,and thankyou Helen And Steve for putting me up on sunday night.
I had a most enjoyable stay in England,Stockton and the Welly folk club were both very good.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 31 Jul 07 - 04:23 AM

Just to add my comments to those of Captain Birdseye and BB - the weekend was really enjoyable, especially the Leeds Arms on the Saturday night and the ballad session in the Cadets Hall on Sunday morning. Matt Armour also presented a very enjoyable concert of his songs in the Cadets Hall. Seafest has suffered over the years from a few pubs which were unworkable on the saturday night (trial and error in the first couple of years), but that has now largely been eliminated as a problem. The Anchorage, the Cadets Hall and both Leeds (Arms and Hotel) are all smashing venues, and Steve and I also had a good spot in the Lancaster. And every time I was near the pier and the main stage it seemed packed with people enjoying the entertainment.

Congratulations to Jim on winning the song contest. I was unable to see the competition as I was singing in other venues while it was being held, but his contribution to Saturday night in the Leeds Arms (and at other times) was very much appreciated.

As has been said already. If you are thinking of booking for next year's festival, do so. I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

Sorry, Stallion - I can't comment on Richard's booking except to say that there was a very full and varied guest list and I guess there can't be room for everyone. He has always seemed very open to local artists to my mind - Anna Shannon, making her festival debut, is from Scarborough I think, and Dogwatch, the Young 'Uns, the Endeavour Shantymen and Steve & I are all from Teesside. But bringing Stormalong John, Les Pirates (Brittany) and Armstrongs Patent (Holland), to name but a very few, to the festival creates an opportunity for locals and visitors alike to hear a good variety of performers.

Anyway, roll on next year's Seafest!

Helen.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 30 Jul 07 - 02:27 PM

Thanks, Essex Girl. I'll try to remember his name in future. The win certainly seemed popular with the audience.

Dick, we did, but mainly because we went to our daughter's in Northamptonshire for a couple of days - went home via the M5 on Tuesday evening, and our road was fine, but there were obviously immense problems off the motorway. I feel so sorry for all those affected - including the farmers, for whom there will be no insurance for loss of crops, etc. Terrible!

Sorry, that's all off topic, isn't it? Until the sea creeps up on all of us!

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Essex Girl
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 05:30 PM

The man who wrote the winning song was Jim Radford, an excellent - and genuine seaman and shanty singer originally from Hull but now entertaining us all in South East London

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 04:31 PM

Yes,he was at a number of the sings,He was there Saturday night at the Leeds Arms.,from London I think..
BB I hope you had an uneventful journey home, and missed the floods.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 03:21 PM

I don't think I even knew there was a poetry competition! I caught the last half hour of the song comp. (It overran and we were in there next.) The standard seemed really high, and it was won by Jim someone, whose last name I didn't catch, but it was a song about the Normandy landings. A thin guy with grey hair in a pony tail - good singer, and a very poignant song.

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jul 07 - 05:30 AM

anyone know, who won the song and also the poetry competition.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 28 Jul 07 - 12:47 PM

I did join in last year but in fairness it was probably awful, it was only two weeks before my heart op and I was really ill, I didn't think I would ever recover but the op was a success, unfortunately I have only this week had a relapse which is a real bummer, I see the heart specialist in Leeds on the 7th of August in the meantime i will soldier on feeling knackered all the time!

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Jul 07 - 07:15 AM

hi,Barbara,firstly I would like to thank you and Tom,for doing an excellent MCing job on Friday. as you know I was suffering from late planes,and an organisational gremlin,that gave me added stress[a rogue E mail that I received just as I was   about to leave, changing my accomodation,which on closer inspection[[after the event]] turned out to be from the previous year].
Richard never informed me about the mass shanty sing,and as my voice seemed to be in good form,my earlier spots had been easy compared to some peoples,I went for it,and was luckily fine the next day.
With a festival like this,The pub sessions can be un predictable,much depends on folkies turning up and joining in chouruses,which seemed to be the case most of the time this year,.
Also,there did seem to be, quite a large proportion of holidaymakers who were interested.
I thought the festival was better than last year.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 09:29 PM

Barbara-

Thanks so much for your description. It gives me a much better picture of what was happening. It probably works even better for the insiders! I try to do the same with the Mystic Sea Music Festival here in the States and some of the other events I and my group perform at or attend that I think folks from away might be interested in.

Saving one's voice for the performances is an important priority, given the number of opportunities there are to wreck one's voice in a noisy pub session. And there is always the temptation to sing just one more!

Clearly such concerns do not apply to the intrepid Captain Birdseye.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 06:01 PM

Charley, I wouldn't say that pub gigs (without PA!) are my favourite places to sing, but the responses from those present (mostly non-folkies) were generally excellent - and that wasn't necessarily using particularly well-known or rousing songs. The atmosphere at the festival really is friendly and welcoming. There was a good variety of performers and styles, and there were none that I saw that were of less than good quality.

There's a real ale tent on the West Pier right by the main stage, all the venues are within easy walking distance of the Pier (unless you're carrying very heavy instrument cases!), and the festival costs the punters nothing - what it costs the rate-payers of Scarborough is another matter, but presumably it brings in some holiday-makers, which is why it's funded by the Town Council. Personally, I think it would be worth their while to have collectors out amongst the large audiences for the Pier shows, and perhaps in the pubs - but that's not up to the likes of me.

Stallion, I'm not going to make any guesses as to why you're not taking part, as I don't know you (I don't think) and I'm not party to the whys and wherefores of Richard's booking policy. Maybe if you got involved in some of the open sessions, it might be worth your while. If those running them like what you do, they'll probably tell the powers that be, and maybe in the future you'd be on the bill. I know Richard was on a very tight budget this year, which I imagine is why Hughie Jones wasn't invited.

Dick, that spontaneous session sounds like just what we could have done with, but after our Leeds Hotel spot, we went down to the Pier for the massed shanty sing, as our glorious leader requested. Or rather, Tom did - I think if I'd sung much more that day, I would have had no voice at all on Sunday!

We really did have a great weekend though, as did everyone we spoke to late on the Sunday. Tom's right - book for next year now - that's only your accommodation though, don't forget. The rest is FREE!

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jul 07 - 04:58 PM

Saturday night in the Leeds arms,after we had finished our booked performances,myself, HelenPitt,Adrift,TheYoungUns,Had a spontaneous singaround,it was mighty,that was my highlight.
I also enjoyed the anchorage club,played there twice,and both times the audiences were interested and joining in choruses etc.
I only had one short spot on the main stage,which is probably the best venue,.
It seems Scarborough was lucky with the weather too ,Sunday afternoon was very pleasant.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 11:56 AM

Peter-

We are looking forward to seeing you and your gang (Two Black Sheep & a Stallion) here in Maine as well. My small boat will be in the water and the lobsters are anxious to get their claws on you!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 10:36 AM

Hi Charley,
we have rellies a plenty in Scarborough so you will not be short of a bed, it would be great to have you over. can't wait to catch up with you all in October, not long now!
cheers
Peter

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:13 AM

Glad it was a good one mate.
We had decent weather for Staithes and I hope was same for you.
Was there any particular highlight in your opinion
or was it all a highlight?

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Charley Noble
Date: 26 Jul 07 - 09:06 AM

No report of what happened this weekend? It's nice to get pre-publicity for such events, the banter back and forth, all in anticipation of what will happen. I'm sorry but:

"Just home from Scarborough Seafest - and a good one it was too! Book now for 2008!"

doesn't provide much satisfaction for those of us who might consider penciling this Festival in for next year's calendar.

But maybe folks are still singing!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 25 Jul 07 - 01:07 PM

mmm being Scarborough born and bred I am still waiting for me and the boys to get an invite, some friends, who were performing, suggested that one might stand a chance of getting invited if we were to do some charity stuff for R.G., well ask us......oh and they did say that we were in illustrious company, Hughie Jones didn't get an invite this year! after the first year I asked, after the second year I asked, can't be good enough I thought. mmmmmmmmmm still can't be good enough.
This is really sour grapes isn't it, oh well it really hacks me off, fielding comments from family and friends " Why don't you do it" - again

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,doc.tom
Date: 24 Jul 07 - 06:55 PM

Just home from Scarborough Seafest - and a good one it was too! Book now for 2008!

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 05:48 AM

Richard Grainger has provided an emailcontact,In Fairness thats not disorganised.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Billabong
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 06:44 AM

Great organisation init... go here, go there, try this.... try that...


Hmmm! Billabong? Australia! Now isn't that where we sent... (yes you are right... Captain Cook...)

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 17 Jul 07 - 07:08 AM

Please go here and have a listen.
Hope no one will mind
But if you want to help National Childrens Home and Viking Radios " For The Kids Appeal*
Click on the link for a listen to sample of the charity CD.
Have a great Folking time and spare a fiver for the kiddy winkles.
Cheers
Tim

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Darklander
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 06:58 PM

You can submit up to two songs to the competition.Must be sea themed.
It takes place on Saturday afternoon. email me < [e-mail]> and we'll take it further if you have a song or two you wish to enter.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 05:37 PM

Banjiman,visit the bitter end website,go to scarborough festival,and there youcan e mail RichardGrainger.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Banjiman
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 02:00 PM

Doe anyone have more info on the Song writing contest? I know somone who wants to enter...and before you ask no, not me and the banjo!

Things like where is it, how do you enter, rules etc would be really helpful.

Thanks

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Gedpipes
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 01:50 PM

I think its completely out of order slagging off Richard Grainger.

If you've got an issue with him say it to his face you cowardly shite

He does get off his backside and organise things.
No blue skies
Ged

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 11:48 AM

Hey it aint far from Scarbro' to Staithes
When you have had your fun watching the pro's pop along to see us and join in a bit.
Sounds like agood line up there.
But we are trying to promote a more "Traditional" way of doing things.
IE Making you r own entertainment.
WE are indeed blessed that there is so much good music making going on
So good luck to you all.
PS I think the Women of Scarbro would be most welcome at our campsite
While the MEn of Staithes are away entertaining the holiday makers.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 09:24 AM

Steve & I got a copy of the programme yesterday and it looks really good. If anyone is coming down the weekend starts about 8,30pm friday with events in the Leeds Arms, Leeds Hotel (Yes, they are different pubs!) Turks head and a few others. The song writing contest is on Saturday, with the winning song to be performed on the big Saturday night concert on the West Pier. There is a ballads and song session on Sunday Morning in the Sea cadets Hall (I'm hosting that one so I'll be really pleased to see anyone who fancies coming down. Start time 11am.) Matt Armor is doing a presentation of some of his songs which I'm really looking forward to, which follows the Ballads singaround. He will be joined by several other singers (excuse me not knowing how this event is properly titled - I'm at work, but the programme is at home!) Saturday and Sunday will see a continuous programme of music and events on the stage on the West Pier, and in many of the pubs and halls in the immediate vicinity of the pier. As far as the organisation goes, I Know it is a nightmare to schedule so many artists and groups (especially when some of the performers are in more than one group) but it all seems to be really well co-ordinated. Roll on Friday.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,doc.tom
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 08:26 AM

Absolutely Dick. Good crack. Proper accommodation. Richard works the artists hard - but that's what we're there to do. See you there.
Tom

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 05:30 AM

as an artist [obviously different perspective than punter],Ihave found nothing wrong with the organisation as regards proper accomodation,artists performing time scheduling,.etc
I particuarly enjoyed the play and music that Richard organised last year,despite the storm I really enjoyed the seafest.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 05:17 AM

ratepayers money is IMO,Well spent on promoting Maritime music,there is a good line up of artists,mentioned in earlier post,a song writing competition,should be very enjoyable.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Salisbury
Date: 16 Jul 07 - 04:48 AM

Hmmm! Billabong? Australia! Now isn't that where we sent...

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Billabong
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 08:28 PM

Richard Grainger and Scarborough Borough Council as organisers???

Now that is the blind leading the blind...   

All financed by rate payers money as well... Call in the fraud squad.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Folkiedave
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 03:28 PM

Dick - don't waste good beer!!

Dave

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 03:27 PM

Its also Scarborough Cricket festival.cricket and sea shanties,.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 15 Jul 07 - 01:51 PM

What's that? :-) Mind you, that storm we had last year gave us all a good soaking!

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 06:13 AM

Hi,Barbara,looking forward to seeing you both ,lets hope we have good weather.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 14 Jul 07 - 05:30 AM

Dick, I should have put a smiley to show you that I was being facetious in my posting of 12/7 02.47.

We've enjoyed performing at several Seafests over the years, and I'm sure we shall enjoy this one. It would be great if there were more folkies there, which would show the town and the visitors how good it is to get involved in the less formal sessions rather than just the concerts, but if the publicity isn't there, it's understandable that more people don't go. I don't think there's a lot that the performers can do about it, except to talk about it on forums like this, as Dick has done.

Those of you who are thinking about going, I'm sure you won't regret it if you do - and we'll see you there!

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 08:21 PM

I am not involved in the organisation of any folk festival.
I dont expect anybody to attend.
I do know people that go to festivals like Whitby [august festival] and Sidmouth,regardless of who is booked,and these festivals are not free.
In fact I was talking to a musician tonight who said he always enjoyed going to Whitby[august]because there were so many good musicians,who played all sorts of different music.
Scarborough sea fest is not a folk festival,you dont have to buy season tickets,everything is free,you get the chance to see quality performers that you would have to pay for anywhere else.
I am only a booked performer,if you have a grouse it should not be with me.
It is unfair to adress me,about consideration.Iam responsible only for my performances,which I will in as professional manner as I normally do.
I am sorry if you are dissatisfied,but it is not me you should be adressing.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Grampus
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:20 PM

Thanks for the support Nutty.
Dick. I/We have had faith in Richard's festivals for many years, only to be let down by him and his lack of organisational skills time and time again.
You seem to fail to grasp that to go to any event needs careful consideration as the costs involved can be quite considerable to us (mere) punters who you expect to religiously/slavishly attend. To do so through pure dogma is irresponsible!
Please give us (punters) SOME consideration also!!!
G

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:55 PM

I don't think I know anybody who books their festivals on the off-chance that something might be happening in a particular place, Dick.

BUT WHY ARGUE

These are your punters who are speaking and, if you are truly interested in getting people involved, you might pay them the courtesy of listening to them.
This has not just happened, similar comments have been made in the past yet nothing seems to change.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:22 PM

Each year in my experience,2005, 2006 there have been high quality acts.
We do not know,when scarborough seafest,gets its allocated budget,from scarborough council.
It is impossible to book high quality acts without an appropriate budget.,this would I imagine tie the hands of the organisers somewhat.
This years as the co organiser of The Ballydehob Jazz festival,I experienced all these difficulties,Two grants that we applied for,we only were notified about, six weeks before the festival,this makes it very difficult to put a programme ahead in advance,our budget was 10,000, only 1500 became available in grants,I had many sleepless nights,worrying about how I was going to pay the artists.
I think it would be a nice way of saying thankyou for previous enjoyable years,to have faith in the organiser,and book regardless,
knowing that good quality acts were going to be booked anyway.
Personally as a professional musician,I appreciate anyone who puts work into organising and providing folk music for Joe public.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Grampus
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:56 PM

Sorry, but I have to respond.
My wife & I have been to Scarborough Seafest most years. It has been very good.
BUT, no publicity is it's downfall in our case. We are on Richard's mailing list. I do look at the Klondike website (currently down), frequently for updates, only to find last year's info still there. The Bitter End website does have some details of artists, but no comprehensive programme, as Darklander claims.
As was said above, other events happen the same weekend, and one has to make a decision, early in the year, to be sure of tickets, or as in the case of Scarborough, suitable accommodation.
Although there is a lot of accommodation in Scarborough, our preferred accommodation has been fully booked for the past six months!
Folkies and non folkies alike may be well catered for, but they are also treated with contempt by both of the main organising parties in so far as suitable advance information. Details given here on Mudcat by various posters have come too late.
Darklander says that he(?) will send information about events by email etc.. Yes, I do receive these (emails), but nothing regarding the (main) Seafest programme has ever been received.
As a result of these facts, we are not attending this year, but are going to a different event. If the situation does not improve, this will probably happen in future years as well.
So much for attracting interested visitors to one of Yorkshire's great sea-side towns!
G

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:39 PM

thats the idea ,publicity.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: nutty
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:23 PM

At least its provided some much needed publicity.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: goatfell
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:04 PM

here we go again arguements all ready

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 02:15 PM

There is a song for the sea contest.
Men of Staithes,and Anna Shannon will also be appearing..MORE Details Bitter End website.
Folkie Dave,if you decide to visit the festival, I will buy you a pint,and I wont pour it over your head.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 06:23 AM

Another cheerful happy thread bites the dust!

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:33 AM

Why on earth should I imagine that you, a singer who lives in Ireland would want to organise a festival in Scarborough?

Give me one example where I have persecuted you?

Unless you believe "disagree" is another word which substitutes for it.

If you look carefully at this thread you will see I have agreed with you about the lack of publicity - so how that becomes persecuting you I have no idea.

And I am happy to write to the organiser - and will do so when I get back from Furness Tradition on Sunday.

I have no idea where the argument about "gay" comes into it.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:24 AM

I am not involved in organising this event,but since Folkie dave seems intent on persecuting me whenever I post,and was under the misguided impression I was an organiser,that is probably the explanation.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Haverton Hill
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:24 AM

Take a chill pill Cap't. You never know you might be in denial. What's wrong with being gay?
I see nowt offensive about Folkie dave's post. I think he is trying to be helpful.
Blue skies

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:20 AM

I was about to say, that I was going to mention the other performers Steve and Helen, lesPirates, Raven,in anotherpost ,to try and keep the thread going ,but I suddenly had lightning and I didnt want to lose my computer[friday13].
Blowzabella,
That was one of the things that was so good about Lancaster,over the years, the amount of people that must have been introduced to contemporary and traditional maritime music.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Darklander
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:18 AM

I have read with much interest all that has been said about Seafest and particularly thank those that have made positive comments about this event.
I take the criticism about publicity - your right its poor.Any volunteers to distibute publicity material in those areas lacking it?
You'd do better contacting me direct - I'd welcome your comments-take them on board. I was directed to this thread by a mutual acquaintance. I'm pleased he did.
We have plenty of flyers here.Send me your address and I'll put them in the mail. Give me your email address and you'll get regular updates about all of our events.
The full programme is I believe on the Bitter End website and we will update the myspace site and the klondike site in the early part of next week.
On the positive side. We have excellent musicians and performers at all our events,a great relationshp with the local authorities and give opportunites to everyone (well-as many as possible)to perform.
Come and support us maybe you can help find a way to improve what we do? We never turn away a volunteer.
You'll not find a better sea themed festival than SEAFEST for miles nor a better welcome.
Thanks for the interest and for the support from all quarters.
Now -Cast Off- Lets get underway

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Blowzabella
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:15 AM

I am not an organiser of this event - nor, as far as I am aware, are any of the other contributors. Dick has performed at it in the past, I think, Helen is performing at it this year. I have no input, directly or otherwise into it but felt I wished to comment. If you would like to ask the organisers, you might well have to do it via the website or similar.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 05:06 AM

Folkiedave - do you only go to stuff which is aimed specifically at folkies? Having events such as this, which isn't aimed at folkies directly, but at the general public, is a great way of introducing people, who wouldn't normally go to stuff that IS directly aimed at folkies, to some wonderful music.

No, I don't only go to events aimed at folkies (though I do predominantly) and certainly IMHO, events bringing folk music to a wider audience is an excellent idea. My second post made this clear (even if the first didn't).

Surely if you are holding an event in a town which is aimed at attracting tourists to that town - you have a target audience? And surely that target audience would be at least in part - the world of folk music, and in particular that of maritime music.

However there seems to have been minimum publicity in that direction and most people on here seem to have indicated that too.

Since the people organising seem to be communicating on this board would you be kind enough to tell the folk world (as represented in tiny part by this board) what publicity has been done towards the folk world? You may not be regular readers here - but believe me if there is a free "do" for which they don't have to pay - Mudcatters will be there in droves!!

For example, will you be setting up a mailing list for emails to be sent out for next year's event? Did you do it at last year's event?

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: goatfell
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:51 AM

don't you mean Scarborough which is a lovely place I went there as a wee boy with my mum and dad, from Scotland

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Blowzabella
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:39 AM

Nutty - if you are interested in the event, I'm sure that Richard would be more than pleased to add you to his mailing list, if you ask him. That way, you will receive info direct into your inbox.

Sometimes, the onus is on us to find out about things ... especially if we would like to go to them and know they are on ...

Folkiedave - do you only go to stuff which is aimed specifically at folkies? Having events such as this, which isn't aimed at folkies directly, but at the general public, is a great way of introducing people, who wouldn't normally go to stuff that IS directly aimed at folkies, to some wonderful music. It is a Seafest - it's not a folk festival as such - meant to be broader than that - but that doesn't mean it doesn't have some brilliant entertainment of the kind which would appeal to 'folkies'. In order to get funding from local authorities, events must have a broad appeal. This event is about celebrating the heritage of Scarborough - it is also a great opportunity to bring into that celebration some fantastic performers of maritime music. Richard is doing what he can to do that.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:38 AM

My apologies to Steve Dawes and Helen Pitt,Les Pirates,Raven

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 03:44 AM

BB - it'll be great to see you and Tom again ... to anyone who may like more info - the festival is centred on the Pier. There will be a stage set up there, together with a beer tent and other attractions (in previous years there have been cookery demos, childrens entertainment, art displays, street theatre etc and also ships such as The Grand Turk moored alongside). There are also several venues very close by - The Sea cadets Hall and a selection of pubs. If you find the pier then there will be plenty of leaflets detailing venues and times for performances. The big concert will be on Saturday evening on the pier, and there will also be a firework display, I suspect.

There will also be a song writing competition and workshops and singarounds. As CB indicated the festival is, at least in part, aimed at non folkies and as a consequence the venues are open to all, rather than set aside ones where you need to pay to get in. But there is always a faithful contingent of folk and maritime music fans supporting the event and the pier is always crowded throughout the weekend, so whatever beefs people may have about publicity/lack of it, word must be getting through to someone! And there is a great selection of fish & chip restaurants! I hope we'll see some of you there.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 12:08 AM

BB,
Richard Grainger left you off the list ,not me.
Its not a question of me liking it or not.
I dont owe you an apology.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 08:12 PM

BB apologies,
but I didnt see your name on the said website,so thought maybe you werent there this year.Keith Kendricks Sylvia Needhams name ARE missing too,But as I,ve been in touch with them apropos of another matter,I knew they were on.
Folkie Dave if you had said Scarborough council,or Klondike arts should get a new partner,that would be clear,but what you said was not clear.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 03:35 PM

Hull Sea Fever doesn't fare much better for publicity -apart from posters in the tourist office and the web page on Hull City Council's site you would hardly know it was on-ask the people in Hull and they wouldn't know either except for some loyal diehards -such a great festival I wish they would publicise it better. I would put posters in schools and pubs and local businesses.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: Folkiedave
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 03:04 PM

Well Dick I would have thought having given Scarborough Council's web page and Klondike Arts as the organising partner most people would have interpreted that as aimed at Scarborough Council. So to make it clear it was aimed at Scarborough Council and their organising partner.

I have no knowledge of your own partnership arrangements nor do I see them as relevant to most if not all discussions on this message board. So rest assured it is not a personal criticism. I don't make personal criticism on this board - I do often criticise what people write.

All I meant was that it was not aimed at folkies and therefore had not been advertised to folkies, but was part of a sea-front entertainment aimed at the normal holiday-goer at Scarborough. If the aim is to provide entertainment to the Scarborough holiday-goer I would have thought a programme on the website would be useful.

If it was aimed at attracting extra people to the town (and I would certainly have gone for the day had I not have been doing something else) then the publicity failed to get to people on this board for starters. And most people seem o agree with me.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: peregrina
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:53 PM

Anyone know where to find programme info? As you said, the website doesn't give anything about who-where-when!

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: BB
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 02:47 PM

Thanks for leaving us out of the guest list, Dick! We'll be there, whether you like it or not!

Barbara

Subject: RE: scarboro seafest july 20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 01:54 PM

IN previous years it has been very good,it is aimed at non folkies,whats wrong with that ,.
but with SOME of the best shanty groups,Stormalong John,Endeavour shantymen,and good songwriters,MattArmour,RichardGrainger,other good performers Keith Kendrick,DickMiles,SylviaNeedham,Armstrongs Patent,should be enjoyable for committed folkies and its free.
Folkie Dave what do you mean get a new partner,I have a partner,female,and have been with her for 13 years,are you suggesting, Iam gay,if you are piss off.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafestjuly20-22 2007
From: Folkiedave
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 01:21 PM

It is hardly better on the website.

In fact there is not much more info than Dick has posted.

I'd love to go but it is clearly aimed at non-folkies as far as I can see and is just another from of seafront entertainment for the holiday season.

It is jointly organised by Klondike Folk Arts and Scarborough Council.

http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=7792

but it doesn't tell you much. Get a new partner is my advice.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafestjuly20-22 2007
From: nutty
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 01:09 PM

I don't dispute that Scarborough Seafest is worthy of a visit, Helen.

It's just a shame that every year publicity is so lacking.

For example - where are people likely to come across the performers (Scarborough being a big place).

Subject: RE: scarboro seafestjuly20-22 2007
From: GUEST,Helen
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 12:15 PM

But that doesn't mean it's not a good idea for Dick to alert people to the festival. Especially as he's not resposible for the publicity in the first place, but is just being helpful. Personally I'm really looking forward to the weekend. Clashes can't really be helped during the summer - there are several festivals on almost every weekend - but Scarborough Seafest has a real buzz about it and is well worth a visit if you're in the area during 20th-22nd July.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafestjuly20-22 2007
From: nutty
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 11:15 AM

It's a bit late for a lot of people though Dick. Many will have made other arrangements particularly as Saddleworth and Staithes are on the same weekend.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafestjuly20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 10:51 AM

Stallion,Ihave the same problem in Ballydehob.[Ignored by theBallydehob Tradfestival
Nutty,thats why I am trying to publicise it here.

Subject: RE: scarboro seafestjuly20-22 2007
From: nutty
Date: 12 Jul 07 - 10:48 AM

Once again - no local publicity (Teesside)

Subject: RE: scarboro seafestjuly20-22 2007
From: stallion
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 08:29 PM

Oh, overlooked by my home town.......again

Subject: scarboro seafest july20-22 2007
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jul 07 - 06:07 PM

Scarboro seafest,takes place July20-22,guests include Dick Miles,MattArmour,Stormalong John,SteveDawes and HelenPitt,ArmstrongsPatent, Keith Kendrick, SylviaNeedham,Richard Grainger,EndeavourShantymen,les Pirates.
I believe all events are free.