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Subject: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 02:07 PM

What joy! We finally received a box of the new CD which JudyB and I helped produce for Barry Finn and Neil Downey, who cruise under the name Finn & Haddie. The CD is titled FATHOM THIS and includes 23 tracks:

1-Roller Bowler
2-Yangtse River Shanty
3-Heavy Cruiser
4-Schooner Industry
5-Ida Lewis
6-Fine Time of Day
7-London Julie
8-Hard Times in Ol' Virginia
9-Main Royal Yard
10-One More Day
11-Hell of a Wedding
12-Good Ol' Brig
13-Bowline
14-Ranzo Rae
15-Coal Black Rosie
16-Good-Bye My Lover Good-Bye
17-Feeny Brown
18-Good-Bye My Riley-O
19-Albertina
20-Priests & Nuns
21-Georgie Me Neck A-Broke
22-Saltpeter Shanty
23-St. Peter Down at Courland Bay

All songs are sung traditional style without accompaniment, but there is harmony added. Barry and Neil have included a great variety of song from traditional, to songs adapted from poems, to original compositions. There are sea shanties, forebitters, songs from the West Indies, navy songs, and even one song based on an old sailors folk opera.

I've been listening to a draft of this CD for the past 7 months, and I never get tired of it.

CD's may be ordered by contacting Barry Finn at his website (http://www.finnandhaddie.com) or by e-mail (finfam41@verizon.net).

Nice to see this CD finally launched!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: curmudgeon
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 08:10 PM

Really looking forward to hearing this one - no ****ing rogue's gallery shite, I'm sure.

And even if you did forget to mention your performances at the      Portsmouth Maritime Folk Festival
on your website, we still love you - Tom & Linn


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Azizi
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 08:25 PM

Here's the clicky for Barry Finn's website:

http://www.finnandhaddie.com

However, the "buy the cd" link didn't work for me. Maybe it's my computer or maybe that link isn't functioning yet [??]

Prior to joining Mudcat, I didn't know anything about shanties. Thanks to Charley Noble, Barry Finn, and others here, I've taken steps to learn more about this music and its history & culture.

I'm definitely gonna purchase this CD!

There ain't nothin like the real thing, baby!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 09:05 PM

Will be ordering!

Art


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,bbc on vacation
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 10:47 PM

Oh, congratulations, Barry! This is good news. Naturally, I will be buying one.

love,

Barbara


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:23 PM

Tried to order on the website but no luck.
Any chance of a house concert to introduce the CD, Barry? I believe I can produce a crowd of rowdies for it.
M


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 01 Aug 07 - 11:42 PM

Mary -- you are way ahead of me -- just what I was going to ask.........seems like a perfect reason for a House concert to me.........


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Dave Ruch
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 03:40 PM

Barry - I want one too! I'll try your email address as provided above.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: katlaughing
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:21 PM

Me, too! Please post a workable link or place to send money?

Thanks!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:32 PM

I spoke with Barry today about his website and he acknowleded that it was a work in progress. His e-mail address listed on the website is good and he is aware of this thread.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Pamela in Ithaca
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:46 PM

Whoo-hoo! This has been a long time birthing
and I'm glad to add my congrats! Barry, I'm
gonna want a signed copy. Maybe we'll see you
in Maine, toward the end of Aug. at the houseconcert
Dave and I'll be doing? Bring copies with you.

cheers, Pamela


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Janie
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 04:54 PM

STanding inline!

Janie


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 07:16 PM

Just put my check in the mail!

Art


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 11:12 PM

Thanks for all the interest guys. The site is still under construction, obviously. It's being set up with paypal but I don't know how long that'll take. If any one wants they can PM or e-mail me & I'll send along costs & where to mail checks to ifyou want one.

Thanks
Barry


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 02 Aug 07 - 11:49 PM

For anyone that's interested here are the old CD notes & lyrics which I'll try & put up on my site when I can.

1. Roller Bowler;

I got this from Polish shanty singer Marek Siurawski, who was something of a first mate of the Polish wishbone schooner Zawisza Czarny during the 1992 tall ship's parade in Boston Harbor. Hugill has this in his "Shanties of the Seven Seas", though slightly different. It was used at the capstan. Hugill says it's a "Negro-Irish type of sailor work-song". Cecil Sharp also collected a version of this. I also have to thank John Townely for reacquainting me with Marek's version years later.

Roller Bolwler (Alternate title: Good Morning, Ladies All)

As I roved out one mornin'
Ch: Away, you roller bowler!
As I roved out one mornin'
I met a dou-dou fair

Ch:Timme, hey-rig-a-jig, a jig-jig-a ha-ha
   Good morning ladies all

Full Chorus: Away, you roller bowler
             Timme, hey-rig-a-jig, a jig-jig-a ha-ha!
             Good mornin', ladies all

Oh, the first time that I met her
Oh, the first time that I met her
That saucy gal of mine

She winked and flipped her flipper
She winked and flipped her flipper
She thought I was a Mate

But when she found that I was a skint
But when she found that I was a skint
She left me standing there

The last time that I saw her
The last time that I saw her
Was down the waterside

Oh, you ladies short and ladies tall
Oh, you ladies short and ladies tall
I love you one and all

2. Yangtse River Shanty;(words:Hamish Maclaren, Sailor with a Banjo,©1930) 3:08(Barry)
I got this from Charlie Ipcar of Maine. It comes from the pen of Hamish Maclaren and his 1930 folk opera "Sailor With A Banjo". Charlie adapted this to make it more singable and gave it a better life by setting it to a great tune for which he's too modest to take credit. I adapted it a bit further to be sung at the capstan.

Yangtze River Shanty

My lotus lady, I'll see no more,
Ch: Away, boys, a-way-o!
Since I left her on the China shore,
Ch: A-way, boys, lift and walk a-way!

Gand Chorus: Away boys a-way-o blow
             Blown me down that Yangtze River
             A-way boys lift and walk away

When we first met, she was like a queen,
A-way, boys, a-way-o!
Prettiest little thing I'd ever seen,
A-way, boys, lift and walk a-way! (CHO)

She'd flashing eyes and long black hair,
A-way, boys, a-way-o!
All I could do was stand and stare,
A-way, boys, lift and walk a-way!
(CHO)

I bought her silks and a golden comb,
A-way, boys, a-way-o!
Trouble's over now, the anchor's home,
A-way, boys, lift and walk a-way! (
CHO)

I blowed my silver for to win her,
A-way, boys, a-way-o!
Now there's nothing left but donkey's dinner,
A-way, boys, lift and walk a-way!
(CHO)

We're homeward bound, cookie's in the galley,
A-way, boys, a-way-o!
Farewell, Young Moon, of the Yangtze Valley,
A-way, boys, lift and walk a-way!
(CHO)


3. Heavy Cruiser

Written for the Cruiser, the USS Salem, where we spent the weekend in Boston Harbor during a Tall Ship's parade. The reference to "we were a "4.0 war machine" refers to the ships inspection & performance, in this case making it a perfect war machine.


Heavy Cruiser

Oh, when I was young & in my prime
I wanted to sail on a ship of the line, (2X)
So I signed on a heavy cruiser

Chorus: So gunners spin your turrets round
And let me hear that battle sound
We'll meet the enemy & we'll take him down
With the guns of a heavy cruiser

When I was a lad just like you
I proudly wore the navy blue (2X)
When I served on a heavy cruiser

Though we were only 17
We were a four-0 war machine (2X)
And the crew of a navy cruiser

For many yrs we sailed the seas
Preserving peace & liberty
A mighty force for all to see
The mighty heavy cruiser

And now I'm old & turning grey
Long ago I stowed my blues away
But I still stand tall & proudly say
I served on this heavy cruiser

4. Schooner Industry

My friend, great singer/musician & writer of sea songs & shanties, Jerry Bryant dug this up from the log of the Industry & culled it down from 40 verses to eight. Jerry put this to a traditional tune, without the chorus, as he found it. The tune here is from Neil Downey as well as its new chorus. Historically I've found the song very accurate & from the report of the Commissioners of Fish & Fisheries where in the remarks column it has the crew as "manned wholly by blacks" as well as the brig Traveler also mentioned in this song. Absalom S. Boston a Nantucketer, land owner, inn keeper & merchant put to sea at the age of 15 in 1800 & retired from sea after this voyage. He was married to the granddaughter of the famous Black/Indian sea captain Paul Cuffe who also commanded & owned a brig by the same name of Traveler only 7 yrs earlier, most likely they are one in the same although I've yet to verify this. Interestingly enough the Bostons were also no strangers to litigation. His uncle Prince Boston, a slave sailor was the first on Nantucket to sue for his ships pay & won. Absalom himself sued the state of Massachusetts on behalf of his daughter & niece for school integration of the state school on Nantucket & won, this being a first time in the nation. I'd like to thank Jerry for his blessing to record this gem.

Schooner Industry

Come all you noble colored tars, that plow the raging main
Come & listen to my story boys, a thing that is quite strange
It was on the 8th of May, me boys, 1822
A schooner from Nantucket, boys with all a colored crew

A.S. Boston was commander & him we will obey
We took our anchor on the bow intending to go to sea
We hauled out for the Great Point Light till we got our barings on
Then hauled about for east south east till the daylight did dawn


Chorus; So it's hauling away for Boston boys & I do not mean the town
       You can cheers a ring as we sail into the sound
       They say this whaling's slavery but we are freemen all
       So haul for Captain Boston boys, haul on your mainsail haul

We haul out for the westward were we intended to cruise awhile
Thence for the western Islands in the hopes to get some oil
A whaling voyage intended that we did mean to pursue
On board the schooner Industry, 14 was all our crew

O the 4th day of July, my boys, as you will understand
It was off between the isles, my boys, we had a noble gam
There were brigs & ships & schooners, the captains all dandy men
They all dined aboard the brig Traveler, Joseph Warren in command

Chorus

We agreed to cruise together, boys until some else prevailed
On the 10th day of July, my boys, we raised a noble whale
We lowered away our boast, my boys, to the leeward we did row
Our second mate having the chase, up to her we did go

Our consort's boat, the next came up hoping to get a lance
She flew & fought at such a rate, they did not get the chance
The whale now being pretty played out she then began to lag
The other boats just turned about when we raise the bloody flag

Chorus

Now to conclude my ditty boys, bring an end unto my song
A set of better sailors to a whaler, ne're belonged
Here's a health to Captain Boston, his officers & crew
And if he gets another craft to sea with him I'll go


5. Ida Lewis

I wrote this after reading about Ida Lewis in the book 'Women Who Kept The Lights' by Mary L & J Candace Clifford. I give thanks to them for the inspiration for this song.

IDA LEWIS

Ida Lewis left Newport at the age of 15,
Moved onto Lime Light Rock in the 1850's
Her father was a captain, now keeper of the light
Soon the duties fell on Ida to keep the lamps burning bright.

Her sisters & brother she'd row to school every day
In a small open lifeboat across the rough bay
From his wheelchair her father would watch through the storms
In horror as Ida would row the children back home.

Renowned for her skills no matter the weather
At swimming or rowing no man was her better
At the age of 16 she had saved 4 men's' lives
By the time she retired she had saved 25

There are saints on the water & demons in the sea
One & all they praised Ida for her great bravery
On the very night this women died, who had lived on the shoals
Every bell on every boat in Newport did toll

Now they've renamed that rock the Ida Lewis Rock Light
And in her honor today the lights are still burning bright
But sometimes at night when it's rough & it's cold
Some claim to see Ida pulling boys from the foam.

6. Fine Time of Day

A British West Indian rowing shanty that Neil found in the Roger D. Abraham's collection "Deep The Water Shallow The Shore".

FINE TIME 0' DAY

Hur-rah hur-rah me bully boys
Ch:Fine time o' day

We pull for St Thomas, boys

St Thomas have them pretty boys

Nancy Gibbs & Betsy Braid

Hur-rah hur-rah me bully boys

We pull for St Thomas, boys

Massa come from London Town

Massa he's a handsome man

Massa chase the pretty girls

He catch 'em in the cane break

Catch 'em an' he squeeze 'em

Hur-rah hur-rah me bully boys

We pull for St Thomas, boys

7. London Julie

Another shanty I got from Marek Siurawshi during the same tall ships parade in Boston Harbor. He was playing concertina & the schooner was motoring from the dockside while the cadets were making ready to set sail. This is the first shanty he sang as work got underway and the crew was quite comfortable performing their duties to this shanty. This can be found in both the Carpenter & the Gordon collections. I rewrote the verses, originally I had only some of the usual filler verses from Marek and felt it needed better than just the usual floating filler verses. I believe this came to Marek from Roy Harris by way of a woman shanty singer, whose name I can't find.

London Julie

We went for a loving walk
Ch: Aha, me London Julie!
And we had such a loving talk
Ch: Aha, me London Julie!

Grand Chorus: Julianna, Julianna, where do you go?
             Aha, me London Julie!
             Julianna, Julianna, where do you go?
             Aha, me London Julie!

She took me to her favorite park
And we stayed there 'til after dark


Full Chorus

She said that she'd be true to me
She spent me money fast and free

As soon as I put out to sea
A soldier took her on his knee

8. Hard Times in Ol Virginia

I got this from the Georgia Sea Island Singers CD on Lomax's Southern Journey collection "Earliest Times vol.13. Lydia Parrish in her "Slave Songs of the Georgia Sea Islands" has a version of this and says what she has is a combination of the shanty 'Hard Times in Ole Virginny', the religious song "Aye Lord, Budding on the Fig Tree" and a dance song, "My Ole Missus Promise Me".

Hard Times In Ol Virginia

Hard Times In Old Virginia
My ol misses is a rich ol lady
Ch: Hard times in ol Virginia
Seven servants around her table
Ch: Hard times in ol Virginia

Grand Chorus: Oh, in ol Virginia
             Hard times in ol Virginia
             Oh, in ol Virginia
             Hard times in ol Virginia

My ol misses is a rich ol lady
Ch: Hard times in ol Virginia
Seven servants to care for the baby
Ch: Hard times in ol Virginia

Go to the well gonna draw some water
Get a bucket gonna go tomorrow

My ol misses, now she promised me                                                                  When she die she gonna set me free
9. Main Royal Yard
My ol misses now she grow so old                                                                All the hair on her head go bald

Get some corn lay it down by the fire
Get some corn watch the fire grow higher                                                                                                                                    My ol misses is a rich ol lady
seven servants to roll the baby round, sir
         
9. Main Royal Yard                                                                                                                                     This gem is another familiar story, from Neil, of a woman having her way with a sailor in port only in this case the mutual consent and out come has an agreeable ending.

The Main Royal Yard

As I walked out one morning down by the Boston Docks
I met a pretty young Judy there & after a line of talk
She throws her arms around me waist & says me jolly tar
How I'd like to see your lofty ship & her main royal yard

Refrain: The main royal yard & her main royal
         (repeat the last line of each verse as the refrain)
         How I'd like to see your lofty ship & her main royal yard

Says I to me self such a strange request has never been put to me
What interest would this Judy have in a ship that sails the sea
Excepting for me six months pay for which I've worked so hard
And what's this silly fascination with the main royal

So as we walked aboard the ship watch he winks at we
Are you sick of the shore so soon me lad are you looking to go to sea
To sea your ass says I with a grin but don't be laughing to hard
For this lassie is wanting to climb aloft to the main royal yard

So it's off with her petty coats one by one & her velvet slippers too
Then up aloft as sure as hell exposing a lovely view
And soon she's up to royal shrouds as soon as any tar
And a prettier sailor I never did see on the main royal yard

Says I to myself I must be daft to allow such a thing to be
When all of a sudden this lassie aloft starts spitting down at me
She give to me a saucy wink likewise a saucy nod
And she hollers now Jack come frolic with me on the main royal yard

Now the moon was so romantic a shinning on the bay
And the wind was blowing east nor' east as she let me have me way
Soon we'll have a little baby & he'll be a jolly tar
For you know he was conceived up on the main royal yard

10. One More Day

I got this great capstan shanty from Susanne Friend formely of San Francisco. Her version would be much more suited to the capstan than some other versions I've heard as this makes use of the full chorus & it's tempo matching the required work. I'm still grateful for her gift of this song and her patience in teaching it to me. My gift of a bottle of wine I'm sure, didn't get as much mileage as I've received singing this song.

One More Day

Oh row me 'cross the river
I heard a maiden say
Oh row me to me lover
One more day

Chorus: Only one more day, my Johnnys
       One more day
       Oh rock and roll me over, one more day

I'm nearly broken hearted
I can no longer stay
Once more must we be parted
One more day

I see the sea birds flyin'
Ashore from o'er the bay
I felt they were all cryin'
One more day

The sea birds take the warnin'
Which one and all obey
The tempest now is stormin'
One more day

Oh do not fear my beauty
I can no longer stay
For love makes way for duty
One more day

It's many seas I've roamed love
Er'e I return to say
To say with you my beauty
One more day

11. Hell of a Wedding

Or Monkey Married the Baboon's Daughter is a BWI used at the oars. It originated out of the 19th century music hall tradition. This here, according to Roger D Abrahams "is a parody, at least in part, of 'The Frog And The Mouse. Another one Neil got from Roger Abrahams's collection "Deep the Water Shallow the Shore".

Hell Of A Wedding

Hell of a Wedding on the Congo River.
Oh, what a hell of a wedding over Congo River
Monkey married to the Baboon's daughter

Chorus: Way, hey, hey, me bully boys

What do you think they had for their dinner (rest, no chorus)
Mosquito, gull and sandfly liver

Who do you think do the ceremony
Black fish King do the ceremony

Who do you think do the music for them
Cavalie band and the drum fish playing

Monkey get up to take the rice (rest, no chorus)
Baboon say, ``Leave the rice alone'' (rest, co chorus)

Baboon get up to stake the cake (rest, no chorus)
Monkey say, ``leave me might take along''

Where do you think they take holiday
Out on a raft on Montigo Bay

What do you think that they do on the water
Monkey & Baboon fight to the slaughter

What do you think that they have for supper (rest, no chorus)
Black fish tail and a dip in the scuppers

What a hell of a wedding on the Congo River
Monkey married to the baboon's daughter.

12. Good Ol Brig

I collected this rarely sung shanty while acting as honorary shantyman and a sometime volunteer aboard the brig Carthaginian at Lahina, Maui in 1979. There I met George Herbert, an old Cape Horner who had stopped to visit friend Drake Thomas who was working on the Carthaginian. He sang this shanty as well as others during his stay. I believe he picked this up while working the Baltic trades as a boy just prior to WWI. Hugill has a Norwegian version of this pump shanty in his "Songs of the Sea". You'll find in listening to this, that the lead voice alternates the third line some of the time. The reason is because when I first recorded George he sang it one way and 15 years later sent me a home recording of him singing it slightly different.

Good Old Brig                                                                                                
From London to Denmark we shipped aboard a brig                                                                Her timbers all were holy, pulp it was her rig

Chorus: So let the breezes blow, she's old & slow
       We'll float across to Germany & shirk & lay below

Our foresail was all torn, we hadn't any thread
We grabbed the skipper's pants & hoisted them instead

We hadn't got a compass, we knew our way by smell
And if we went off course, the skipper would ring a bell

We hadn't got a lantern, to see us through the dark
The skipper's nose was bright enough to scare off any shark

The wheelhouse it was rotten, it made the rats amused
The only thing we had to spin was granny's spinning wheel

We should've sighted Hamburg a week ago it seems
When the lookout shouted strike me pink we've sighted Barbary

So we got ourselves a tugboat, we towed that brig astern
And if we ever reach Hamburg some day we will return

13. Bowline

This version comes from the Bahamas & can be found on the Lomax's collection 'Deep River of Song Bahamas 1935. Roy Harris also recorded a similar version.

The Bowline Haul
So long, my boys, you been to sea
You cannot tie a bowline

Ch: Haul on the bowline the bowline haul

So long, my boys, you been to sea
You cannot tie a bowline

Ch: Haul on the bowline, the bowline haul

Grand Chorus: The bowline, the bowline, you cannot tie a bowline
             Haul on the bowline the bowline haul

Well, breeze & storm & sun & rain
I never seen/find a girl like Lucy Jane

I pulled her dress above her knee
She says "young man now let me be"

I'll tell me Ma when I get home
These Windward gals won't leave me 'lone

They spend me money so quick on shore
Pack me bags, to sea once more

You say you've been to sea long time
You ain't worth a bloody dime

14. Ranzo Rae

I first heard this halyard shanty by sung Dick Holdstock & Alan MacLeod & later had to swipe it off their CD "Deep Water Shanties". Hugill has this as Afro American in origin. This version's verses come from a variety of sources.

Ranzo Rae

I'm bound away to leave you, I never will deceive you,
Ch: Ranzo ranzo, hurray hurray!
I'm bound away to please you, my half-pay I will leave you.
Ch: Hilo my Ranzo Rae

We're bound for Yokahama with a load of grand pianos,
We're bound for Bonas Airees with a bunch o' green canaries

We're bound for Valpariser with a load of rusty razors,
We're bound for Venezuela with a crew of drunken tailors,

We're loaded down with curios from China and the Indgo-s
We're bound for Santiager with a load of German lager,

We're outward bound from Rio, with a load of stinking guano
We're going past Giberralterr an' our carger's bricks an' mortar

We're heading into London, with a load of soggy cotton
We'll pass the cliffs of Dover, and then we'll be in clover

We've sailed the oceans over like a proper deep sea rover,
The next time that I meet you, it's with kisses I will greet you

15. Coal Black Rosie

Neil got this double pull halyard shanty from Tommy O'Sullivan while recording at sea on the Unicorn back in the early 80's. It was collected by both Bullen & Hugill, who says it's a pure"Negro ditty".

Coal Black Rose

Oh, me Rosie, coal black rose
Ch: Don't ye hear the banjo
Ping-a-pong-a-pong?
Ch: On, me Rosie, Coal Black Rose!

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,
Up aloft this yard must go
Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,
Strung up like a banjo, Taut an' long,
On, me Rosie, Coal Black Rose!

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,
The yard is now a-movin', Hauley-hauley ho!
On, me Rosie, Coal Black Rose!

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose
The Mate he comes around, boys, Dinging an'a dang.
On, me Rosie, Coal Black Rose!

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose
Back in into it, boys, Rock an roll her high
Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,
One more pull boys Rock & roll her high
On, me Rosie, Coal Black Rose!

Oh, me Rosie, coal black rose
Don't ye hear the banjo
Ping-a-pong-a-pong?
Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,
Skipper's on the beach An he can't get none
Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,
Up aloft this yard must go
Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,

Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,
One more pull, boys, And then belay
Oh, me Rosie, coal black Rose,.

16. Good-Bye My Lover Good-Bye

I got this off friends Peter Kasin & Richard Adrianowicz's CD "Boldly From the Westward-Songs of the Sea". Versions of this Great Lakes capstan shanty can be found from Colcord, Tozer & Hugill, who sees it as probably being of "Negro" origin.

Good-Bye My Lover Good-Bye

He came on board in his Sunday clothes
Ch: Good-bye, my lover, good-bye
In his Sunday hat an' his Sunday hose
Ch: Good-bye, my lover, good-bye

Grand Chorus: Good-bye, good-bye my love
             Good-bye, my, good-bye

A farmer boy stood on the deck
He's eatin' peanuts by the peck

He should a'stayed with his mules and plow
He thinks the rudder's in the bow

He walks the deck with farmer's feet
He don't know a halyard from a sheet

He thinks himself a hell of a tar
As he pushes around the caps'n bar

When the night winds blow and the seas do roar
He'll curse the day he left the shore

When the green seas roll across our deck
He'll pray for the Lord to save his neck

When the old ship rolls all day 'n' night
It'll turn his face green, blue and white

When he has to go aloft at night
He'll soil his drawers in his awful fright

He'll know aloft from down below
Before we reach Buffalo

17. Feeny Brown

I got this shanty in the early 1980's from Talithia (Nelson) MacKenzie, a friend formely of the Boston area & now of Scotland, with whom I'd occasionally sing with. Talithia is quite the shanty singer who has this shanty, I believe, from Roger Abrahams collection.

Feeny Brown
Fenny Brown is the belle of Bermuda
Ch: Hy-o Feeny
Fenny Brown is the belle of Bermuda
Ch: Spend my money on Feeny Brown

Grand Chorus: Give her a dollar an' she ask for another
             Hy-o, Fenny
             Give her a dollar & she ask another
             Spend my money on Feeny Brown

Feeny Brown was a worldiest mulatta
Feeny Brown was a worldiest mulatta

Feeny Brown always chew tabacco
Feeny Brown always chew tobacco

Fenny Brown was a bright mulatta
Feeny Brown was a bright mulatta

18. Good-Bye My Riley-O

A shanty from the Georgia Sea Island Singers that can be found in Lydia Parrish's collection. Frankie Quimby tells me that "Riley's" the nickname of a slave driver who was leaving but being better than most of the drivers he was preferred by many and therefore would be missed. The nickname she said, was to hide his identity.

Good-Bye My Riley-O

Riley, Riley, where are you
Ch: Oh, Riley, oh, man
Riley, Riley, where are you
Ch: Bye, bye my Riley, oh man

Riley's gone to London Bay
London Bay so far away

Riley's gone to Liverpool
Riley's gone & I'll go to

Wish I was Captain Riley's son
I'd stay at home & I'd drink good rum

I thought I heard the captain say
Tomorrow be our sailing day

Riley, Riley, where are you
Riley, Riley, where are you

19. Albertina

Another rarely sung shanty that I collected from George Herbert. Hugill has this in his 'Songs of the Sea' as a Scandinavian capstan and pump shanty. Another version can be found in Hugill's 'Shanties of the Seven Seas'. George's version is sung as a pump shanty rather than at the capstan. Again I believe George picked this up while in the Baltic Trades as a youngster.

Albertina

They are building a ship in the northlands
Albertina they will call her when she's done
Ch: pump away

Ch: Albertina, she will serve us,?. Albertina will preserve us,?.
Albertina they will call her when she's done (repeating last line as refrain)
pump away

They say that she is ready & waiting
She's loaded down with golden ale & wine?.pump away

They say that's is ready & waiting
To take us all around the Horn

They say she lies waiting at anchor
To take us or'e the bounding main

On the shore there are many hearts a weeping
As we sail into the harbor safe & snug.

They say that there's a sailors grave a waiting
Beneath the ocean wide & blue

20. Priest & Nuns

A pumping shanty from Jerry Bryant. Jerry resurrected this pump shanty from Frederick Pease Harlow's book, 'Chanteying Aboard American Ships'.

Priests & Nuns

A priest in Austria thought one day
Ch:Ho,Ho,Ho                                                          He'd go to France without delay                                                               
Ch: Hal-ler-al-le-rye. hal-ler-al-le-ray
He'd go to France without delay                                                                Ch: Hal-ler-al-le-ray, Ho, Ho

So when this father came to France
Seven sick nuns he found by chance

He saw these nuns in the convent yard
All laying down on benches hard

He gave these nuns his calling card                                                                And asked may I come in your yard

To one he asked what he could                              
I'm both priest & doctor too

A sick nun then made quick reply
Said father treat me ere I die

With cane in hand a walking stick
And he touched that nun so very quick

The others ran that they could see
And asked the priest what could that be

A medicine stick in my hand I hold
To cure all sick nuns in my fold

Another nun that lay close by
Cried father none so sick as I

He treated all the nuns alike
And said he'd call another night

Their treasures gone they looked in vain
For the priest that carried the medicine cane

21. Georgie, Me Neck A Broke

This is a BWI shanty used more for lifting or shoving either a boat or house. Again, Neil got it from Roger D Abrahams's collection "Deep the Water Shallow the Shore".

Georgie Me Neck ?A- Broke

Georgie, me neck ?a-broke
Ch: Hold 'em George I think me neck-a-broke

Georgie, me neck-a-broke
Ch: Hold 'en George I think me neck-a-broke

Pull on the oar now
Ch: I think me neck-a-broke

Cut through the water
Ch: I think me neck-a-broke

Black fish rising
Pull on the oar now

Georgie, me neck ?a-broke
Hold 'em George I think me neck-a-broke

Georgie, me neck ?a-broke
Hold 'em George I think me neck-a-broke

Put in the stick now
Put it on the loggerhead

Pull on the oar now
Don't you lose him

Don't let him take you

Georgie, me neck ?a-broke

Hold 'em George I think me neck-a-broke

Georgie, me neck ?a-broke
Hold 'em George I think me neck-a-broke

22. Saltpeter Shanty

I picked up the first verse & chorus in 1981 from a recording of the Critics Group, their version was called "Slav Ho". Unable to find more than the one verse I wrote a few more verses over the years. I came across David Parry singing this version at the Mystic Sea Music Festival in 1997, David led me to Hugill's version, which is the one pretty much sung here with an additional verses from Pint & Dale and some verses I'd had kept that I had written. Joanna Colcords book 'Roll & Go' has the version called "Slav Ho" which she in turn has from Captain Robinson's 'The Bellman'

Saltpeter Shanty

For the Spanish main we are bound away
Chorus: Oh roll
For the Spanish main we are bound away
Chorus: Oh roll
We are sailing away at the break of day
Where the swift bonnitos and dolphin do play

Grand Chorus: Oh roll, rock her bars
             Heave her high, oh, rock her, roll

From Liverpool Bay we are sailing away (2x)
We are sailing away from Liverpool Bay
To the flash girls o' Chile who'll take all our pay

A lashing of liquor the old man gives us (2x)
If he keeps it up we'll bust a gut
And drive this ship through hell if we must

When the order comes round for to shorten more sail (2x)
Well call for more ale in a full blown gale
Or up aloft you'll not see our tails

For two weary weeks we beat round the horn (2x)
To push us on till the break of dawn
Salt spray we drank from night until morn

Old Pedro the Crimp, boys, we know him of old (2x)
He's primin' his vino, he's dopin' his beer
To the Chinchas he'll ship us if we don't steer clear

Them flash gals o-Chile they're so hard to beat (2x)
They'll greet us an love & treat us to wine
But the bastards are robbin' us most of the time

When the order comes round for to sail away home (2x)
From some old seaport on the west coast of hell
We'll sing adios and say fare thee well

22. St. Peter Down at Courland Bay
                                                   
Saint Peter's Day is June 29, during the Fishermen's Fete. Neil, again lifted this & adapted it from Roger D Abrahams's collection "Deep the Water Shallow the Shore" - "the beach singers feels that he must make up a song for the visiting fishermen who come from all over the island. They commonly sing of the beauties of the fete, using a traditional tune but introducing topical subjects and an appropriate chorus line. Here is a pattern, for instance, which was improvised upon by one of the singers".

St. Peter Down at Courland Bay

St Peter, St Peter down at Courland Bay
Ch: St Peter, St Peter down at Courland Bay

An the water very fresh & fell fresh & gay

I'm going to take you to St Peter's on that day

I'm going to buy you silks & laces on that day

St Peter, St Peter down at Courland Bay

I'm going to drink rum & be dancing on that day

St Peter, St Peter down at Courland Bay

An the water very fresh & fell fresh & gay


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 12:00 AM

Outstanding!! Thanks for the lyrics and story behind each song. I love Mudcat!

Have a check ready to send in the morning. Thanks for the addy info, etc.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 03 Aug 07 - 06:22 PM

I cannot WAIT! Email's on the way. Barry's one of the first Mudcatters I ever met, at the first Getaway we were invited to. I remember like it was yesterday, looking across the room, mesmerized by that voice. No matter what you sing, Barry, it's powerful: but these are some of my favorites!

My girls are gonna hate living with ME for a while! Not to mention my poor co-workers.

Now if you could bring that house concert down to NC........

Dani


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: EBarnacle
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:38 AM

Ok, long foretold, long lasting. Way to go! Eric


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:35 AM

Barry-

You might consider bringing a CD or two for your hungry fans if you're planning to attend the next shanty/forebitter sing at the Press Room. August 18.

Or I could just let folks bid up the extra ones that you kindly sent to Judy and me.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: SussexCarole
Date: 04 Aug 07 - 05:21 PM

Hi Barry!    Can't wait to hear your CD. When I see the track list I can already hear your voice singing some of my favourite songs.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 05 Aug 07 - 11:58 AM

Carole-

It's a nice done CD. I'm sure that Baggywrinkle will find it of interest in trawling for fresh songs.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, wandering the streets of Boston


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Subject: Review: Barry Finn & Neil Downey's CD
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 03:38 PM

At the poster's request, this review is being transferred here from another thread. Mudelf

Barry Finn and his longtime singing partner Neil Downey have just released their CD, "Fathom This" with backing vocals on several tracks by Barry's wife Justine Donovan, and Charlie Ipcar. It's not every CD that one could say has been met with anticipation, but there has been much anticipation in the sea music community for this CD, ever since Barry posted to Mudcat that he was going to finally record some of his vast and rare repertoire. This is his first CD.There has been good reason for this sense of anticipation. Through his singing at sessions and occasional performances, Barry has brought a rare repertoire to the attention of many singers, with several of those songs becoming in recent years, standards of the sea music repertoire. "London Julie,' and "Hard Times In Old Virginia" were taught to many of us by Barry, and spread to singing sessions on both coasts of the U.S. The Johnson Girls (London Julie) and Richard Adrianowicz and I (Hard Times In Old Virginia) have recorded these songs, and have Barry to thank for introducing them, for just two examples of his influence.

"Fathom This" lives up to the anticipation in every way. Barrry and Neil sound great together. The musical sympathy between them is obvious, as their voices, though diffeent, blend with each other very well. The pace taken on the chanteys is admirably on the slow side, as chanteys were traditionally sung slower than is often heard today by performers. "Slower", though, is not to be confused with "dull," as this whole recording commands attention. their singing is vibrant and alive. Several fine original songs by Barry and Neil are interspersed with the traditional material. Some of the rarer material comes from Barry's association with the folklorist Roger Abrahams, who recorded West Indies whalers in the 1960's, and authored a book on their songs, "Deep The Water, Shallow The Shore." Barry and Neil are generous in their acknowledgements to their sources, pointing the listener in the direction of collections where they can do their own research.

Fathom This is not only a joy to listen to, but is a real contribution to sea music, introducing some rarely-heard, and wonderful songs to a wider audience. Through this CD, Barry will no doubt continue to be a conduit by which the larger sea music community learns and helps keep alive this great tradition. Congratulations on a truly great CD, Barry!

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Aug 07 - 04:31 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: radriano
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 11:12 AM

Finally got a copy of this long awaited recording.

This is the first time I've heard the duet. Barry Finn has long been on my list as an icon among shanty singers and a darned nice guy to boot. What strikes me about Barry's singing, aside from the volume, is his phrasing. But Neil's voice is great too - his composed song "Heavy Cruiser" is a gem. There are numerous tracks on this album that I've slated for immediate learning.

Congratulations on a great album, guys!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: radriano
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 12:06 PM

Barry,

The version of One More Day that Suzanne sang is one that I found in an issue, I think, of an old English magazine that I can't remember the name of. I was living at Faith Petric's house at the time and had access to her vast store of periodicals submitted to the San Francisco Folk Club. The article specifically referred to the song as being a river shanty, sung slowly as opposed to the deep-sea version. That being said I think you are correct that it fits capstan work and might very well have been adapted as a deep-sea shanty as well.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 12:56 PM

Thanks for that Richard, I've always kept it the way I 1st heard Suzanne (boy, did I love that voice) & the rest of you guys singing it "row me 'cross the river". Hugill concurs with the posibility of it's river origns stating that the 'rock 'an row me over' is probably the older refrain. Anyway it's a version that I always prefered rather than a halyard version, very soulful, Colcord & Hugill believe it's of "Negro" in origin.
I'll tell Neil you're opinion of Heavy Cruiser, we always have a good time with that song.

Carole, Dani, Dave, Art, Ron, your CD's are all on the way.

Barry


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Big Mick in the Badlands
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 01:52 PM

I will be back in a civilized surroundings soon and able to order via Paypal. Is that link working yet?

Barry, I can't wait to review this one. Congratulations, and it's about about time you got off that layabout arse and did some decent work........HAH!!!!

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: MMario
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 01:58 PM

yup - the link is working. CD ordered.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 09:30 AM

Barry and Neil-

The folks at Passims are anxious to get a copy of your CD to listen to. I mentioned it to John who was manning the gate for last evening's open mic but I've forgotten the name of the person who actually does the booking. You can probably find the name on Passim's website.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble, adrift in Boston


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 10:40 AM

Thank you, MudElf!

Chanteyranger

You are welcome. Mudelf


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 09:28 PM

What FUN!

Belted out 'Roller Bowler' (or is that 'Rolla Bolla'?!) sailing down the interstate at 5:30 this morning, and 8 tonight found Janie and I in a parking lot downtown singing along with 'Good Ol Brig'. It's SO good to hear your voice, along with the rest of the crew.

Thanks for the midwifery, Charlie, and thanks Barry, for sticking around long enough to record some of the music we so enjoy hearing you sing. It's great stuff!


Dani


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 12:32 AM

Thanks Charlie
I saw John after dinner & will send him a copy but Passim's is more of a singer/songwritter club now, they're a bit weak with traditional stuff. Not like 25 ys ago

You're welcome Dani, glad you're getting a kick out of it, I knew there was a good reason for sticking around. "Rolla Bolla" ya making fun of my Boston accent? It ok, even my kids tease me & ask ware wus I brought/drug up.

Barry


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 06:48 AM

Barry, I think it's great that anyone HAS an accent anymore; yours suits the music just fine.

Hey, we have a great public radio folk show nearby with a big following that you might consider sending a copy to: http://wunc.org/backporchmusic

Keith Weston at
WUNC Back Porch Music
120 Friday Center Dr
Chapel Hill, NC 27517

Let us know if you do; me and Janie will call and write to tell him it's coming and he should play lots of it often.

Dani


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: radriano
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 11:02 AM

refresh, please!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 12:17 PM

Just ordered mine using the Paypal link. Worked fine, and I can't wait to hear my buddy and his music.

Mick


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 09 Aug 07 - 10:43 PM

I think it is great. Several of the songs I have never heard before -- some of them old friends but just a fine piece of work. Well done, Mr. Finn.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: ranger1
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 10:00 AM

Woohoo! Finally! I can't wait to get one! I'm going to drive the rest of the park crew crazy (heh heh).


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,SussexCarole
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 10:18 AM

Suspect brown package from USA arrived this morning as I was leaving for work! Can't wait to get home and open it......


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 02:25 PM

Barry,

It's a wonderful CD!!!!!!!!! More than that, it's quite an important one to boot! So many sea-going work songs that I'd never heard before---and from so many unique sources. I've only listened once, but am truly looking forward to sitting still and seriously listening to the words and hearing the tales within the songs.

Is it bad of me to note that it sometimes brought back memories of Jonathan Eberhart and the boys' recorded output on Folk Legacy?? Those BOARDING PARTY albums were good too--and eclectic as all hell.

After all the years, this is a fine CD. Congratulations to you and Neil!

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 04:33 PM

Here's a mini review of one of my favorite songs from this CD (full lyrics above):

Barry's Notes-

Neil got this double pull halyard shanty from Tommy O'Sullivan while recording at sea on the Unicorn back in the early 80's. It was collected by both Bullen & Hugill, who says it's a pure "Negro ditty".

Coal Black Rose

Oh, me Rosie, coal black rose,
Don't ye hear the banjo
Ping-a-pong-a-pong?
Ch: On, me Rosie, Coal Black Rose!

I'd run across a version of this song in SHANTIES OF THE SEVEN SEA by Stan Hugill but it didn't come to life until Neil led it at the recording session (I was doing a very fresh harmony). It's full of dynamic energy and yet it's a work song for rapidly hauling up a jib or other light sail. Neil's timing and accent is perfect and when we were doing the song one lost all sense of time, and place! How Neil avoided getting tangled up in his rapid-paced delivery of tongue-twisting words is another miracle.

The song probably can be tracked back to the minstral hall but the West Indies shanty singers certainly put it to work. I believe there is an old thread about this song.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: katlaughing
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 04:56 PM

Barry, hope you've received my check by now, unless they've reinstated the Pony Express, though I've not heard of such!**bg** I cannot wait to hear this cd!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Crane Driver
Date: 10 Aug 07 - 06:54 PM

Yes, it's here. Looks very impressive. We're off work next week, so we can take the time to REALLY listen to it.

Looking forward to it.

Andrew & Carole


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Aug 07 - 10:39 AM

Hah! I did some additional on-line research on "Coal Black Rose" and the sea shanty appears to have been derived from an 1820's early minstrel song. Here's what I found:

Notes on Minstrel Song Origins of Coal Black Rose

These notes are taken from a preview of a book partially available on-line; there is a reference to sheet music but the reference is not in the preview.

From America's Musical Life: A History, by Richard Crawford, published by W. W. Norton & Co., © 2001, pp. 201-202

"Coal Black Rose" a song from the 1820's, depicts a black romance that disintegrates into deceit and violence. The song is sung by Sambo who is wooing the heroine:

Lubly Rosa, Samo cum,
Don't you hear de Banjo ? tum, tum, tum;
Lubly Rosa, Sambo cum,
Don't you hear de Banjo ? tum, tum, tum;
Oh Rose, de coal black Rose,
I wish I may be cortch'd if I don't lub Rose,
Oh Rose, de coal black Rose!

When Sambo shows up unexpectedly at Rose's cabin, she asks him to wait outside in the cold while she builds a fire. Then she lets him in. The two sit warming themselves until Sambo spots Cuffee, a rival suitor, trying to hide in the dark room's corner. And during the fight that follows, he changes his song's refrain:

Oh Rose, take care Rose!
I wish I may be burnt if I don't hate Rose,
Oh Rose, you blacka snake Rose!

Further note: "cortch'd" may be dialect for "scorched" given the above reference to "burnt."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: katlaughing
Date: 12 Aug 07 - 01:15 AM

Got mine! Thanks, Barry. My fav., so far, is Yangste River Shanty, BUT I haven't listened to all of it, yet. I will be listening several times tomorrow as we will be home....cleaning....arrghhh. Maybe the rhythm of the songs will help us whistle while we work! Love that accent, Barry.*bg*

Sounds wonderful, so far!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 04:25 AM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: MMario
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 08:50 AM

got mine! having problems getting it OPEN! (Well packed and sealed!) But hope to listen to it today.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Aug 07 - 09:05 AM

MMario-

The instructions for opening are embedded in the title: "FATHOM THIS!"

You simply soak the CD in a bucket of salt water for a week or so.

Alternatively, there is the oxyacetylene torch method, followed up with the "jaws of life."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: RiGGy
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 12:51 AM

Hey Barry

GOOD job !!   I like it a LOT.

Is that a digital rendering of the EastCoast on the cover behind you ?

Thanks for being SO Barry alla time.

Riggy


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: MMario
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 09:21 AM

Finally managed to get the bloody CD open - and played it; and played it; and played it.

hmmmmm; Barry sounds a little more "subdued" then I am used to - but other than that;

FANTASMAGORICAL!!!!

which is what I expected.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 05:19 PM

MMario-

We had to set the mics ten feet from Barry or he would have crashed the system!

Glad to hear you enjoyed what you could hear.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: radriano
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 06:00 PM

MMario,

Play the cd louder and it sounds just like Barry!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 08:12 PM

Funny Richard, I was gonna suggest buying 2 & playing them at the same time.

Hope you're having fun with it Leo, they are hard to open aren't they. The easy way is to slice down the from top hinge to bottom hinge with a thumb nail, release the bottom hinge & flip the CD face cover up, presto, unwrapped
Don't listen to Charlie, the CD self destructs his way.

Hi Riggy, glad you're enjoy it.
The backround is the superstructure of the the Navy's heavy cruiser the USS Salem. We were hired to be roving performers, singing on deck to a reunion crew during the July 4th Tall Ships parade in Boston Harbor. The Captain lost his command as a result & we got invited to sing aboard the USS Constitution, highly irregular.

Hope everybody else who's got one is enjoying, you can also post your thoughts here too.

Barry


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: curmudgeon
Date: 14 Aug 07 - 08:57 PM

You can also come to   The Portsmouth Maritime Folk Festival
, hear Barry and Neil live, AND buy several CDs as gifts - Tom


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Aug 07 - 08:29 AM

Barry-

"The Captain lost his command as a result & we got invited to sing aboard the USS Constitution, highly irregular."

It sounds as if there might be more to this story, and a song as well. Was there a court martial, with the ritual breaking of his sword?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Bert
Date: 16 Aug 07 - 11:56 PM

Just a little yarn as an excuse to refresh this thread.

Re: You cannot tie a bowline


Of course every school kids can tie a bowline, so what does this mean?

Well a sailor ties a bowline quite differently to a landlubber.

A landlubber will twist a loop into the rope, poke the end through, wrap it 'round the back and poke it back through the loop.

Whereas a sailor will hold the bight in his left hand, lay the (bitter) end across it and twist the loop around the rope in one movement. Then all he has to do is wrap the end 'round and back through the loop.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Mike O'Leary-Johns
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 02:03 PM

Barry ; received the CD just before I headed for saltburn Festival.
Played it as soon as I got back.
ABSO-BLOODY-LUTELY WONDERFULL!
Great singing[from you both]; and as others have commented.............many of the songs are New To me.
Definately NOT : just another batch of Seafaring Songs and Shanties.
But an important contribution to the genre.
WELL DONE. On a more personal note ... Brings back many happy memories of meeting and sharing some songs at the YTB and at Portsmouth Festival.
LONG MAY YOU SHAKE THE PLASTER FROM THE WALLS.
But people should also have a chance of hearing you sing like you did on the Whaler in Mystic.The song you wrote yourself.That WAS magic.
All the best Barry , I will Email you shortly ; Mike.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 01:51 AM

Hi Mike & thanks for your kind words, hope your sail was tall & exciting, will want to hear about it.
Hopefully we can get together again some time.
Thanks
Barry


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Janie
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 06:58 PM

Just walked in the door from work to find my copy in the mailbox. Listening as I type.

Barry & Neil, what a treasure this CD is. I'll be listening to this one often and for a long time.

Janie


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,Rumncoke
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 08:03 PM

A sailor will hold the bight in his left hand......?

Unless she'd left handed, of course.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: radriano
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 02:18 PM

refresh please!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 11:16 AM

If there are any orders for this CD from Australia, I'm prepared to do door-to-door delivery to Sydney, Melbourne, and Port Douglas this October-November. I'll already be bringing CD's for JennyO, Sandra, Margaret Walters and Danny Spooner.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Big Mick
Date: 24 Aug 07 - 12:02 PM

A really good deckhand can tie a bowline one handed.

I knew that my buddy would have a good CD. As I don't do much in the way of shanties, and work songs of this type, I expected to get a damn good reference piece so that I could add a few to my repertoire. What arrogance on my part!! What I received was an incredibly enjoyable CD, and the production values were out of this world. I have had the pleasure of hearing Barry sing any number of times. This CD captures his phenomenal voicings and stylings to a tee. Whoever did the recording/mastering really knew their business when it comes to vocal music. Oft times folks that record everything from rock bands to choral groups just don't get it right when it comes to acoustic music or this type of vocal music. That is not the case here. This CD has a punch...... a force to it, that is hard to describe. When that is coupled up with the obvious talent and knowledge of the music, as well as the love of it ..... all I can say is that this is an important CD to own. And you will absolutely enjoy it. I have it in my CD player and just play it over and over.

Great job, wee fella. And the best to Mr. Haddie, as well. You should be proud.

Mick


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: GUEST,ChanteyKid
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 03:13 PM

Any more on this CD, I'm thinking of ordering it?


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Aug 07 - 03:39 PM

Mick has said it all!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: TRUBRIT
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 08:04 PM

Sorry to be repetetivw bur I rhink is a wonderful piece of work.......I can listen, and listen, and listen again ..........great job Barry and Neil


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Big Mick
Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:36 PM

If you are a Chantey kid, then you need to own it. It is a wonderful collection, and you will learn much from it. I expect to be doing so for quite a while.

Mick


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Oct 09 - 07:51 PM

For those who haven't read this thread, and scanned the lyrics of the songs that Barry and Neil sing on this CD, here it is again.

This is helps explain why we miss him.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 04:23 AM

Thanks for refreshing this thread, Charley. This is a really fine CD, and it stresses the sadness, the huge hole that is left by Barry's death. There was a lot of music yet to be recorded by him, a lot of rare chanteys to bring to light, and he had just added Ken Schatz to become a trio. It is so sad, but let's be thankful that there is this wonderful CD as his legacy.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: skarpi
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 04:57 AM

well I did not know that he had this cd made .
all the best Skarpi


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: My guru always said
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 05:58 AM

Thanks for refeshing this! I came back from our trip with 14 CD's but kept forgetting to ask Barry for this one which I regret, of course I thought we'd have plenty of time!!

Any advice on how to get a copy?


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 09:03 AM

Guru-

I'm so pleased you asked! On the official Finn & Haddie website there is a very tiny link under the CD which says "Buy This!": Click here for website

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: Fortunato
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 10:53 AM

http://www.finnandhaddie.com

Here is the link blue clicky


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: JudyB
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 12:10 PM

If one of the clones wander by -

Would it make sense to delete the word "new" from the title so folks don't think this is a new announcement? And then delete this post?

I wish we could have done another CD - was looking forward to singing along on "Trinidad Run" in the car - but I am glad we do have this one.

Thanks,
JudyB
    Good suggestion, Judy - but I think we'll leave this post so people will know what was done.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (new Barry Finn CD)
From: ClaireBear
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 12:23 PM

And I would love to be able to hear Barry singing "Bye Bye My Roseanna" -- without which life seems colorless -- again. That song is so definitively Barry that I can't believe it's not recorded somewhere. I keep expecting to find it on YouTube; I keep thinking if I enter just the right search terms there it'll be. Sigh.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: My guru always said
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 03:29 PM

Claire, I'm sure Richard has Bye Bye my Roseanna on a video of Barry - if only we could get it onto the web *sigh* Maybe we should send a DVD of Barry to someone who knows how to put up a clip? I know Amos knows how....


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: My guru always said
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 03:29 PM

Oh, and thanks for the link, Charlie & Chance!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 10:05 PM

Claire
Yes Bye bye my Rosianna was captured by me on video rest assured then.
Barrys going has knocked me off the rocks but full video of his last
performanances with Neil and Ken will follow later.
Six months later via Barrys family at this sad time.
Others advice please.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Janie
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 10:26 PM

It is hard to believe there is only this one CD. But I am betting that many people have videos or recordings of Barry singing, hopefully going back a long ways. While the quality of many of these may not be "the finest kind", as much of the music and singing of this wonderfully talented man ought to be documented and preserved as completely as possible. I wonder, for now, about a thread to which people post if they have indeed recorded Barry - in a living room, at the Getaway, a family picnic, a festival, etc. It could serve as a locator archive in the event Justine and family might decide, at some point, to authorize the replicating of these recordings all in one place.

This might be a really dumb idea, but I thought I would toss it out there. It would basically be a collection of field recordings. We all know what a wonderful resource field recordings are.

Janie


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Oct 09 - 11:59 PM

THAT is a fantastic idea, Janie. I hope folks will do so.


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 24 Oct 09 - 12:53 PM

Great idea, Janie! I have a tape somewhere oif Barry singing at a workshop at the Moby Dick 150th anniversary Festival at the park where I work, which waqs in 2001. Lani Herrmann recorded it. The sound quality is what one would expect from an audience tape recording, but, as you said, a collection oif field recordings would not be expcted to be a high fidelity project.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Richard Atkins
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 10:08 PM

Good idea Janie.
My video of our time with Barry and Justine is on hold at this sad time as i said before , for six months at least.
However i did promice a copy of of my videos of Portsmouth Maritime to Tom which is in process.
So many Pictures and videos for him to sort and i add more them!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: RockClimber
Date: 25 Oct 09 - 11:19 PM

Hello regular Mudcat people.

I've just wandered into this website while hunting for Gaelic music, and I'm moved to sorrow by the loss of your friend Barry Finn although I never heard him sing or read his posts before today. I'm glad to know that he has made a CD and so many assorted field recordings.

Just wanted to extend my condolences to all of you and to his family.

Thank you all for keeping this wonderful community going.

Eman Ramos


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: stallion
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 05:16 AM

I have a copy, what I don't have is any video clips, it might be an idea to put out a DVD of the clips, it would be good for someone to collate the contributions and edit them, and, as already been said in this thread, it would be a great learning tool for wannabe singers as well as a song bank.
Pete


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: DFP
Date: 26 Oct 09 - 10:52 PM

stallion, here, at least, is a list of Barry videos on YouTube; semi-collated though not edited per se:

Barry Finn - Old Dollar Mamie (Prison song)
FSGW Getaway 2009 Barry Finn sings "The Banks of the Callow"
       another link to the same recording: The Shores of the Callows
"Salonika" - Barry Finn at FSGW Getaway 2008
       another link to the same recording: Salonika
Barry Finn - Guantanamo Bay - FSGW Getaway 2008
       another link to the same recording: Guantanamo Bay
Woolloomooloo Lair - Barry Finn FSGW Getaway 2008
       another link to the same recording: Woolloomooloo Lair
Finn & Haddie sing South Coast of Texas
Rowing Shanties 1 (Finn & Haddie) (a medley of British West Indian rowing shanties; includes "Pull Away Me Boys," "Fine Time of Day," and "Hell of a Wedding")
       another link to the same recording: BWI Rowing Shanties
Roller Bowler (Finn & Haddie)
       another link to the same recording: Roller Bowler
Yangtze River (Finn & Haddie)
       another link to the same recording: Yangtze River Shanty
Yangtzte River II (Finn & Haddie)


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 11:24 PM

Just got my copy of this CD with a nice note from Natalie. It is everything you all said and more...also poignant knowing, while we listen, he isn't here anymore.

My grandson loves it and started singing along on the chorus of Roller Bowler and Yangtse River Shanty. He had to go home, but I am sure he learn the others, too, at least the chorus of each.

kat


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 10:24 AM

Nice to know these CDs are still available.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Janie
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 10:42 AM

Thanks for refreshing this thread, kat. Gave me an opportunity to go back and watch some of the videos.

Won't we be missing him for a long, long time!


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 10:54 AM

won't we though? I still 'run' old non-recorded memories in my head of him from the Getaway...like the infamous "bench moving chanty".


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Subject: RE: FATHOM THIS (the fine Barry Finn CD)
From: Fortunato
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 11:19 AM

Thanks for the reminder, I've just ordered mine. I guess I'm ready to listen now.

cheers
chance


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