BS: Heinz 57 varieties?

Subject: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:12 AM

I was just eating my beans on toast this morning and I thought, varieties of what?

Has anybody eaten all of the other 56?

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:16 AM

That came out in 1957 when they commemorated Aston Villa winning the FA Cup :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: John O'L
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:22 AM

According to Snopes it means nothing. Just a number pulled out of the air by old man Heinz because it sounded snappy:

"...recognising that catchiness and resonance were far more important qualities for a company slogan than literal accuracy..."

Pure advertising bullshit it would seem.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: gnomad
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:25 AM

Never existed in living memory. Heinz had more than 60 varieties by 1892.

The 57 was an idea inspired by a New York firm which Mr Heinz noticed advertised "21 Styles of Shoe", he thought up his own variation on the theme.

Precis of info in Tom Burnham's Dictionary of Misinformation, (c)1975

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: TheSnail
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:27 AM

Gives rise to that widespread breed of dog ,the Heinz Terrier.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Stu
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 07:56 AM

"That came out in 1957 when they commemorated Aston Villa winning the FA Cup :-)"

I've got a feeling about this year Villan : )

Claret and Blue is the colour for you . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 08:13 AM

I'm still surprised that the Republicans didn't hit on the idea of the "57 varieties of John Kerry" in the 2004 campaign, given the fact that he was married to that Heinz woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 08:52 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_57

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 09:11 AM

In fact, at some dinners during the 2004 election run-up, the Republicans put special GWB labels over the labels on the ketchup bottles so diners wouldn't see the name of Kerry's wife and be offended.

Political correctness, GOP style....

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Azizi
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 09:26 AM

Just wanting to make sure that folks take note of the fact that the headquarters of Heinz is based in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, the home of Mudcatters LadyJean and Azizi (and other Mudcatters?}

No wonder Pittsburgh is so special. We even got that pawanshop song, as discussed in this Mudcat thread thread.cfm?threadid=1018&messages=14
Pawnshop in Pittsburg

-snip-

But, as JJ noted in that thread,
Make sure to put that "h" at the end of Pittsburgh!

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 09:33 AM

There's no "H" in Pittsburg, Kansas, however. It's the only way you can tell 'em apart.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Azizi
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 09:36 AM

Also, wine I've been into contest questions lately, here's a two parter:

1. What are first line or so of the 1970s song that Heinz used for their catsup commercial?

and

2. Which singer originally recorded that song?

I'm sure that everyone knows this jingle and that everyone buys the right brand of catsup because of it.

:o)

As I have to offline much of this day, would please someone let the first person to correctly answers this question know that he or she is a winner?

Thanks!

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: TheSnail
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 11:14 AM

Azizi

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, the home of Mudcatters LadyJean and Azizi (and other Mudcatters?}

That'll be Pennsylvania, USA The original Pennsylvania is in Gloucestershire, England of course.

Er, I think I'll go and have a lie down.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Cluin
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:36 PM

A "Heinz 57" is what my grandfather always called a mutt. The only kind of dog he ever had.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:38 PM

At a charity tag sale here in Maine I met a strange young man who was selling Bread and Butter pickles. I hadn't had home-made in years so I bought two jars and got chatting with him. His grandfather has supplied 100% of the cucumbers used in Heinz pickles at some point in ancient history. They had also packed a variety of them for Heinz. His Bread and Butter pickles were the original Heinz recipe. Very nice, actually.

I went back the following year but he was not there. A disappointment.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Cluin
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:39 PM

Or else he referred to it as "a cross between a bull bitch and a window shutter".

"Just a half of an eighth of a sixteenth of an inch off".

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Rog Peek
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 12:53 PM

Fifty seven varieties gets a miention in Jeremy Taylor's 'Red Velvet Steering Wheel Cover Driver' Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=612398

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SINSULL
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 01:19 PM

Beanz Meanz Heinz?

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SharonA
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 10:04 PM

"...wine I've been into ...1. What are first line or so of the 1970s song that Heinz used for their catsup commercial? and 2. Which singer originally recorded that song?"

"What are first line or so"??? Wow, Azizi, I guess you have been into wine... ;^)

Anyway, the song is "Anticipation", written by Carly Simon and originally recorded by her in 1971 (title track of the album, released November 1971). The "first line or so" used for the commercial was the chorus: "Anticipation, anticipation is making me late, it's keeping me waiting" (pronounced "way-yay-yay-yay-yayyy-ting"). That particular recording was used for the commercial, was it not?

By the way, according to the Heinz website, the company prefers the spelling "ketchup".

Sharon (from the other side of Pennsylvania... yes, the one in the US)

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SharonA
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 10:07 PM

More about "catsup", according to the Global Gourmet's Culinary Sleuth:

"When Heinz introduced commercial ketchup to American kitchens it became so popular that other manufacturers rushed to catch-up to the ketchup craze. Soon there were Ketchup, Catsup, Catchup, Katsup, Catsip, Cotsup, Kotchup, Kitsip, Catsoup, Katshoup, Katsock, Cackchop, Cornchop, Cotpock, Kotpock, Kutpuck, Kutchpuck and Cutchpuck. All were tomato based and bottled and vied to become a household word. Only 3 major brands remained to steal the spotlight...Heinz Ketchup, Del Monte Catsup, and Hunts, who could not decide on a spelling and bottled under the names Hunts Catsup (east of the Mississippi), Hunts Ketchup (west of the Mississippi), and Hunts Tomato Cornchops (in Iowa only). In the 1980's ketchup was declared a vegetable by the government for school lunch menus. Suddenly Del Monte's Catsup, because of its spelling, was not on the approved list. Shortly afterward Del Monte changed the product's name to Del Monte Ketchup. So ketchup it is."

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SharonA
Date: 17 Aug 07 - 10:20 PM

Correction: The lyrics as sung by Carly Simon are "Anticipation, anticipation is makin' me late, it's keepin' me waitin'" (but I don't know if the words were written that way by Simon). Actually, "it's" might not be right either; on the recording, all that's pronounced in the first chorus is an "s" sound, so I don't know if that is an "is", an "it's" or an " 's ".

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 12:26 AM

SharonA, you da wo-man!!

That's what I'm talkin 'bout!

And, yeah, you got me there with that wine typo. But you knew I meant to write since, right?

But I gotta admit, that mistake was kinda funny-in a smile-to-yourself kinda way.

But thanks SharonA for havin my back 'cause I thought that question was easy but maybe it wasn't. Or maybe there ain't no other folks from where we live writin on this here thread. {I gotta admit I never heard of that "Beanz Meanz Heinz" commercial. I had to look it up to find out what that was all about. Maybe them folks who live overseas have different commercials that we do. Maybe they never even heard that Anticipation song. Lord knows it pops in my head whenever I think of catsup, ketsup, whatever}.

Anyways, you gotit goin on, girlfriend!

Keep on keepin on!

Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 12:38 AM

Well, I guess I'm still sippin wine 'cause I meant to write Maybe them folks who live overseas have different commercials than we do.

I wonder about that. But anyways if they didn't know about "Anticipation it's makin me wait it's keepin me way a-a-a-ting" song that goes with Heinz ketshup then they sure do know it now.

I appreciate you hippin them to what is really goin down-and not just in The 'burgh but in your neck of the woods too and in the rest of this country for that matter.

Catch you later, SharonA!

Azizi

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 02:36 AM

57 ways of being mean to me
57 varieties like Heinz

(from Last Train and Gone by Ralph McTell)

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SharonA
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 03:15 AM

Stay cool, Azizi!

Yup, commercials overseas are definitely different, from everything I've heard and read (never having been overseas myself!). I vaguely remember the slogan "beanz meanz Heinz" going by in my childhood in the 1960s, so perhaps they tried it out here as well as in the UK but it only caught on in the UK.

Riginslinger wonders why the "57 varieties" slogan wasn't capitalized on by Republicans in the 2004 Presidential race against John Kerry, husband of "that Heinz woman" (Teresa Heinz Kerry, widow of H. John Heinz III). I'm sure that that would have violated a copyright on the company's phrase, and that the ensuing legal proceedings and bad publicity against the Republican party would have done them far more harm than whatever small benefit such a slogan might have made to their campaign.

Although the Heinz company was founded near Pittsburgh and has its corporate headquarters there still, John Heinz (heir to the company fortune) had some ties to the Philadelphia area. He was one of Pennsylvania's US Senators from 1977 until his death in 1991, and tragically he died in this neck of the woods. Heinz's small Piper airplane was having landing-gear problems, and the helicopter that was flown out to take a look flew too close and collided with the Piper over an elementary school in Lower Merion. All souls on the airplane and helicopter were killed, along with two little girls in the schoolyard. It was a very shocking and sad day here.

After Heinz's death, a local wildlife refuge was renamed for him, reflecting his dedication to environmental issues. The John Heinz National Wildlife Refuge at Tinicum is 1200 acres of freshwater tidal marsh, the largest in Pennsylvania.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: bubblyrat
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 11:13 AM

I"m afraid that I am well old enough to remember the year 1957, when , of course, all Heinz labels read " 1957 Varieties ".Later, some wag at Oxford or Cambridge University came up with the immortal " Deanz Meanz Fines " !!

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: autolycus
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 02:21 PM

So the fact of the heinz HQ being there makes Pittsbugh special? I see, I'll make a note.



Incidentally, a song doesn't have lyrics.






      Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Azizi
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 04:13 PM

Here's one way that Heinz being based in the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania region helps make that city someplace special:

URL: http://www.heinz.org/

"Mission:
To help the Pittsburgh region thrive economically, ecologically, educationally, and culturally while advancing the state of knowledge and practice in the fields in which it works.

Background:
Formed from the Howard Heinz Endowment, established in 1941, and the Vira I. Heinz Endowment, which was founded in 1986, the Heinz Endowments is among the largest independent philanthropic organizations in the United States, awarding approximately $60 million in grants to nonprofits each year. The endowments grantmaking focus is on arts and culture; children, youth, and families; education; the environment; and the innovation economy.

Outstanding Web Features:
The endowments' recently relaunched Web site offers a searchable resource library featuring publications, reports, grant application guidelines, and the current and past issues of h, the foundation's quarterly magazine. The site also features an animated timeline of the endowments' history."

-snip-

Disclaimer: From 1997-2002, my very small non-profit arts organization received competitive programming grants from the Multicultural Arts Foundation, which was jointly founded by The Pittsburgh Foundation and the Howard Heinz Foundation. In 2005,
I also received a creative arts grant as an individual working with another small Pittsbugh, PA non-profit organization.

I am very grateful for the support that I have received from the Howard Heinz Foundation.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SharonA
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 04:30 PM

Autolycus says "...a song doesn't have lyrics." I give up, Ivor; what are you talking about? I hope you're not interpreting the word "song" to mean the melody only. If you are, then the next time you undertake to "sing a song", I guess you will just be humming a tune...

...or "making a note"! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: autolycus
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 07:35 PM

A song has a lyric. That's the rule; one dong, one lyric. i mean one song, one lysic. Let's get this right -

the rule is   - one song, one lyric.

It has words; it doesn't have lyrics.

on the other hand, a musical has lyrics, by.....whoever.

A song doesn't.


NALOPKT






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 07:53 PM

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania can most easily be distinguished from others as the other Pittsburghs, with or without the "H," might be filled with "jackoffs." In the real Pittsburgh they are known as "Jagovs." For instance:


Kansas---You're acting like a jackoff. Why doncha' leave?

Pennsylvania---Beat it ya' fockin' Jagov b'for I kick yer ass up 'tween yer shoulder blades an ya' gotta' take yer fockin' hat off to shit.


See the difference? Pittsburgh is a kinda' "Shot and a Beer" town.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 18 Aug 07 - 09:20 PM

It's good to know the subtle distinguishy features between these two localities.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: autolycus
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 03:36 AM

and where the violence in society starts.







          Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: JJ
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 08:37 AM

If you are ever in Pittsburgh, be sure to visit the Senator John Heinz Pittsburgh Regional History Center and Western Pennsylvania Sports Museum, which may be the longest title of any institution anywhere.

Besides learning a lot about George Washington, immigrants and labor, you can also sit in a section of the museum dedicated to (duh!) the H. J. Heinz Company and watch 22 minutes of international commercials, some of which are very funny and some of which are very WTF? When last there, I marveled at the internationality of the hot dog. Thailand? South Korea?

My favorite -- the British commercial about little Margaret and her dream of growing up to become prime minister. And what, my British friends, is Salad Cream?

Just to redd up in here (Azizi knows what I mean) the true Pittsburgh dialect is not very close to Spaw's rendition of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: bubblyrat
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 09:11 AM

Salad Cream, as the name might suggest, is a cream that one could, if one wished, pour over,stir in, or otherwise add to, a salad, in order to enhance the flavour thereof, to the increased gastronomic enjoyment of the partaker.It is probably unknown by that nomenclature in The Americas, where it is, in all probability, referred to , incorrectly, as Mayonnaise, although, to be fair, Mayonnaise IS one of the major constituents of the prandial delight in question. It would seem that Mr Heinz,however, in his appreciation of English culinary and comestible preferences, was one shrewd cookie .

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 09:22 AM

Hey, JJ!

You're DY-NO-MITE!! ;o)

****

Btw, "redd up" means to clean up; tidy up {I'm guessing it's from "get ready" [for visitors]. It is said to be "Pittsburghese" {wors and phrases used in the Greater Pittsburgh region; While I know what it means, I have never used it, and I have never heard anybody use it {which doesn't necessarily mean that it's more likely to be used by certain races/ethnicities more than others. But it does make me wonder if that's the case.

For instance, the word "yunz" is supposed to be pure delux Pittsburguese, in my experience, Black Pittsburghers appear to most often use "ya'll {sp?} than "younz" in our informal conversations, or when we are purposely speaking or writing in "Ebonese" as I did in my 18 Aug 07 - 12:26 AM post to this thread.

And that's just one example of possible racial/ethnic differences in colloquial expressions in this Heinz 57 region.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Rog Peek
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 10:51 AM

SALAD CREAM!!!!!......YUK!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 02:06 PM

Hey Ziz......The Greater Pittsburgh vocabulary and syntax extends a good ways out, especially towards the Ohio River where you'll find many if those expressions like "redd up" in common usage.......places like Steubenville and parts of eastern Ohio.

My Dad was a railroader running between Pittsburgh and Columbus and I grew up in eastern Ohio and we used to talk this stuff a lot.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Aug 07 - 02:17 PM

>>"That came out in 1957 when they commemorated Aston Villa winning the FA Cup :-)"

I've got a feeling about this year Villan : )

Claret and Blue is the colour for you . . . <<

Stigweard, you could be correct. I think I will put £57 on them. 33 to 1 at the moment :-)

I seem to rememeber that bingo halls used Heinz Varities 57

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Edmond
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 07:00 AM

Beanz Meanz Fartz

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: JJ
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 07:50 AM

Upon my Heinz pickle pin (which they'll give you for free at the museum if you ask) I spent many years being baffled by the phrase "redd up" until I found it used in the same manner in Robert Louis Stevenson's KIDNAPPED.

Why this Scottish locution continues in use in Pittsburgh is beyond me. Did the Scots-Irish who came north to work in the mills bring it with them? If so, why is it unknown in the South?

I asked a friend about Salad Cream, and she said, "Don't you know? You can get it in the British section at Fairway." I hied myself to Broadway and 73rd, and there it was. Didn't buy any, but it seems to be sort of a mayo with mustard.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Aug 07 - 11:01 PM

Was Robert Louis Stevenson Scottish?

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: JJ
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 07:56 AM

Stevenson was born in Edinburgh, and KIDNAPPED centers on Scottish events of the mid-18th century.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Aug 07 - 10:39 PM

It doesn't seem like he's been treated very kindly by the literary world lately. I wonder if that's a reflection on them or him?

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SharonA
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 09:07 AM

Autolycus says, "A song has a lyric. That's the rule; ...one song, one lyric. It has words; it doesn't have lyrics. On the other hand, a musical has lyrics, by.....whoever. A song doesn't. NALOPKT {Not A Lot Of People Know That]"

Ivor, I understand and appreciate your pedantry, but in this case I think that it's one of those instances where a word has been misused for so long that it becomes acceptable because of its common usage. According to the Merriam-Webster site (and several other dictionary sites I've looked at):

lyr·ic
Pronunciation: 'lir-ik
Function: noun
1 : a lyric composition; specifically : a lyric poem
2 : the words of a song -- often used in plural

...so either "lyric" or "lyrics" is a proper word for 21st-century pedants to use when referring to the words of a single song.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -

About "redd up", Pittsburgh and Stevenson: Here's a blurb from The Word Detective that might explain the connection:

"Dear Word Detective: What is the origin of the phrase "redd up?" I recently asked my colleagues to help "redd up" the lounge and they acted like I was speaking a foreign language. I remember my grandmother telling me to "redd up" my room, but I can't find any information on the origin of the phrase. Can you help? -- Dunlap, via the internet.

Well, I don't wish to cast aspersions upon your colleagues, but my guess is that they knew exactly what you meant and were just pretending not to understand. My research assistant frequently pulls the same ruse on me. When I call to her, she will hide behind a tree and stand very still, pretending not to hear me. Granted, my assistant is a border collie named Brownie, but I think the operative principle is pretty much the same.

While you don't mention exactly where you grew up, if your grandmother routinely told you to "redd up" your room, there's a statistical probability that either you were living in, or your grandmother was from, Pennsylvania. "Redd up," meaning "to clear or clean up," arrived in America with immigrants from Scotland and northern England, and while Scots settled all over the eastern US, the phrase seems to be most commonly heard today, for some reason, in Pennsylvania.

The root of "redd" (which by itself means "to clear or clean") seems to be a combination of the Middle English and Scots dialectical word "redden" (meaning "to free or clear an area") with another Middle English word, "reden," meaning "to rescue or free from." The same tangle of roots gave us the word "rid," and is closely related to the word "ready." And none of this, by the way, has anything to do with the color "red."

While the columnist seems to think that the phrase is common throughout Pennsylvania, I have to say as a lifelong resident of the Philadelphia area that I have never heard it used around here. Perhaps the immigrants from Scotland didn't settle in great numbers here (going west to Pittsburgh instead), or if they did they were assimilated into the blend of cultures of this international port city and its surroundings. While there are still sections of Philly that are populated primarily of people of distinctive cultures (Italian, Chinese, Irish, etc.), I don't know of any that's made up of Scots or Scots-Americans.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: SharonA
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:14 AM

Whoops! Sorry; I meant to post a link to that Word Detective reference. Here it is: The Word Detective, Issue of December 18, 2000

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: GUEST, Sminky
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 11:40 AM

I always thought it was because you only got 57 beans in an average tin.

Am I the only one who remembers the UK telly advert:

"A million housewives everyday
pick up a tin of beans and say
Beanz Meanz Heinz"

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 06:02 PM

Okay! There's 57 varieties of Robert Louis Stevenson. Let's see, that's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde times eighteen and a half.

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 06:09 PM

Is "salad cream" a mixture of mayonnaise and mustard, or does it contain some kind of artificial mayonnaise (e.g., Miracle Whip) along with the mustard?

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Aug 07 - 10:27 PM

When I was a kid in the 50s, there was a claim that there were 57 tomatoes in a bottle of Tomato Sauce...

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 03:24 AM

whereas if you get the cheap brands, you would be very lucky if there were 43 tomatoes in a bottle. the one that puzzled me was the one and a half glasses of milk in a bar of chocolate. How big were the glasses, one wondered.

When you become an adult and realise that all these things are a load of crap, its a bit of a weight lifted.

I think there should be, when you get to 21, a day of disabuse - when they tell you the truth. It would give you a clean start.

Father Chritmas.... that was your Dad. All that stuff about loving you....actually, we were never all that keen. When you die, that's it - no angels, no devils - just a long dreamless kip. And all that stuff about us knowing everything, we didn't - we made it up!

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 07:22 AM

"when you get to 21, a day of disabuse - when they tell you the truth"

What?!!! ONLY ONE Day?

Subject: RE: BS: Heinz 57 varieties?
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Aug 07 - 07:38 AM

And there aren't 43 beans in every cup of Nescafe either. Sorry, but I had to tell the truth, painful though it might be.