BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct

Subject: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 10:58 PM

Senator Craig is out of the closet!

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Aug 07 - 11:12 PM

not out of the water-closet...

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 12:08 AM

Lewd conduct. Like, what IS that?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 12:26 AM

Just read a few sites. Forget I asked the question in the post above.

Read he'd had a few choice things to say about Clinton. Huh.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Wesley S
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:03 AM

So who cares? If he doesn't represent my district then it's none of my business.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:04 AM

It's reported that he hasn't decided whether or not to run again in 2008. If he does, I suspect the Democrats will win the seat.

Again, Hubris brings someone down.

Can't these people learn? (Well, no. They're as immune from "outing" as an 18-year-old is from his or her own death.)

Our other Senator is named Crapo. That's pronounced "CRAY-po", not how you think.

I'm getting tired of this "I admit it! I'm an alcoholic drug addict whose been embezzling taxpayers' money and following the rough trade at truck stops while selling guns I purchase illegally to big city gangs and selling child pornography and giving meth to school children. But I'm going into treatment, and I hope you'll forgive me like God and my wife have" stuff. It's a cop-out, and I for one am not going to kiss and make up until I'm shown, for years, that the reformation is real. Deeds, not words.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 10:12 AM

What Rap said. Damned hypocrites.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: pdq
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 10:20 AM

Hypocrisy is in the eye of the beholder.

Such a claim does give a partisan an excuse to destroy an enemy.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 11:08 AM

Remember Ted Haggard the evangelical preacher who was the conduit to and from the White House as well as male prostitutes?

He is now pleading for money donations so that he might be re educated.

Ted knows that no matter how hypocritical his life and influence has been, he need only ask and he shall recieve because he has given his life to Jesus Christ just like Michael Vick, Mike Tyson and Paris Hilton .

The sin of Senator Craig is hypocricy and being a liar. It is never really about sex.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 11:37 AM

Whoa - if he *did* represent your district, would his sex life be your business?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: pdq
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 11:41 AM

Only if he is a Republican. Then he must be destroyed.

On the other hand, if he is a Democrat, he shall be raised to the status us 'hero' to many.

This is America. Some of our customs are bit hard to explain.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 11:50 AM

Theres the rub

Its not about sex.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 12:02 PM

If Craig resigns, the governor will appoint himself senator (he can do that) and run for re-election in 2008.

Meantime, Craig says his action were "misconstrued" and he should never had pled guilty. So why exactly was he putting his hands and feet under the locked door of a stall in the Men's Room? And why the airport, for heaven's sake, unless he was begging to be caught?

I pity his wife and family. What a mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 12:45 PM

Craig DOES represent my State.

And he has always seemed like a good enough sort, especially his stand on immigration (which was contrary to the majority of Republicans in the Senate).

His career as an elected official is over. And yes, I feel sorry for his wife and family -- like Bill Clinton, he'll have to settle those matters inter familia.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 12:59 PM

I certainly have empathy for his family, they are always the victims in things such as these. Just ask Hillary and Chelsea Clinton.

As to the Senator, a pox on him. I wouldn't have near the animus towards these right wingers if they weren't so judgemental, and weren't constantly flouting the righteousness of their ways, only to be caught again and again. Congressional pages, male prostitutes, and this. The Dems have had their share of unsavoriness, but they don't parade themselves as the moral arbiters in the same way.

I am beginning to believe that we Americans deserve what we get sometimes. Our culture of instant gratification seems to have allowed hypocritical and shallow pol's with tons of money to feed just enough pap to get elected, and then when this happens we shake our heads. Yet when someone tells the truth, instead of what the polls say we want to hear, they can't get a forum. I think of Mitt Romney (not implying anything about his sexual proclivities here) who has changed his positions on key issues, but looks good, and folks line up in support. I think about Democrats, supposed allies of labor, who read polls to determine their stances and win elections, only to saddle us with trade agreements that destroy US jobs.

Craig is symptomatic of an illness in our system. He is not the first, or the worst. But left untreated, it will be fatal.

Ramble off,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: San Francisco Bill
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 01:30 PM

I wonder what that poor cop did to get the short straw and get assigned to "Crapper Pervert Patrol"?

Attention networks! Which of you will be introducing "To Catch A Senator" in this Fall's lineup?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 01:46 PM

A new Reality TV show is in the offing! Oops, never mind...Geraldo Rivera is already on it. And...who's that over there? Why, it's Jerry Springer!

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 03:02 PM

On "Numbers USA" Craig is graded lower than any other member of the Idaho Congressional Deligation.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 03:12 PM

"Such a claim does give a partisan an excuse to destroy an enemy."

Some enemies deserve to be destroyed, no offense.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 03:47 PM

I've talked to a few people who are more to the right than the left. Their initial take on it is one of feeling unfair persecution -- that is, it's only a big story because it's a Republican.

First of all, I don't agree. I think it is a "big story" because it is a Senator. And it's a sensational story because it is sex -- and sex sells papers.

But there is an inherent truth that Republicans are going to have to come to terms with. There is a truth that Republicans are going to have to learn if they expect to ever break even in the "gotcha" game of he scandalled/she scandalled that is Washington politics...

...the only reason that scandal works to bring down a Republican is because Republicans, at least at this point, have to try to appeal to a voting block for whom personal moral behavior is both important AND includes sexual behaviors as well as other vices.

Democrats are not similarly saddled. If a Democrat is found at the center of a scandal -- particularly a sexual one, it doesn't matter to his voting base. He may have a moment of personal embarrassment, but he need not suffer politically.

That's one reason why so many who even LOVED the guy, are so pissed at Clinton. All he had to do was own up to an act that most of his constituency doesn't even see as wrong, and impeachment would never have happened. In fact, he would have chopped the political legs out from under his pursuers so fast they wouldn't have known what hit them -- their ONLY political victories being won in the arena of the public's knowing they were being deceived by Clinton.

Instead, Clinton gave his enemies a legal leg to stand on.

Republicans need to learn that a "dirty tricks" file on their political opponents is most likely going to backfire on them. And they all had better watch their backsides because, whether they think it's fair or not -- they WILL be brought down by behaviors that their opponents can flaut.

What's fair for the goose is not fair for the gander because the goose is a duck.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 03:51 PM

Very astute posting, John. You said it much better than I did.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 03:52 PM

I agree with you, John Hardly. Mainly.

But one reason that Craig is big news is because of the possibility of gaining a Democratic seat in the Senate. In other words it is not just gossip and gotcha.

The only excuse or reason I can think in Clinton's case is that perhaps he thought he could make his denial stick, and therefore not have to admit his guilt to his wife and daughter.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 04:12 PM

"What's fair for the goose is not fair for the gander because the goose is a duck."

                If it walks like a goose, and squawks like a goose,
it's a duck?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: pdq
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 04:20 PM

whack his peepee!

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 04:22 PM

Wasn't he trying to get that done when he was charged?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 05:00 PM

That wasn't the charge he was looking for.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 05:25 PM

John is absolutely correct is his observation that the Repubs have tried to corral the family values issue to their own detremnet...

But it goes even further here in that the Repubs haven't just taken a value system of their base but gone well beyond that in taking these issues and throwing gasoline on them to infuriate their base...

Just like falg burning... Who cares??? Noone burns flags but they use this worn out issue over and over and over and whip up hatred in folks who really are clueless as to whether or not there are folks out there burning flags...

Now the Repubs have gone too far in creating thios inte4nse hatred of homosexual people... Yeah, okay, mainstream America ain't moving with them on this but folks like those who are whipped into a lather over non-existent flag burners now are less tolerant of homosexuality than they were before the Repubs made it a wedge issue...

Wedge issues may work in the short run but in the long run will almost invariably come 'round to bite you...

That is waht we are now seeing: the long run!!!

I wish that a guy like Senator Craig could just run on issues that effect us all and leave these emotional and deeply personal ones the heck alone... It sho nuff would make it easier for him to own up to his own sexuality... And that is sad...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 05:29 PM

well...*I* don't care what he does...or even care very much if he does it in public restrooms. *I* don't think it's any reason, by itself, to vote against him. But to the extent it shows a double-standard and hypocracy, it worries me.

The thing is, his behavior will cause a lot more criticism among the his conservative base than anything I'd fret about.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 07:46 PM

Yeah, Bill, exactly...

The Repubs have pinned their success on their conservative base... They have not only pandered to it but taken it a step further in formenting even greater hatred and less tolereance of folks with different values...

Now it seems that these tactics have boxed them into a corner...

I mean, lets get real... What if a Dem were to call a press conference and say "I'm gay"... Do you think that would bring on some furry from the right??? Okay, maybe a couple days worth but not what Tom Foley and this guy are gonna do to the Repubs...

The Repubs need to rethink their Southern Stategy that is aimed at getting Southern Baptists to the polls.. The country is a lot bigger than Southern Baptists... A lot bigger...

The Repubs tunnel vison has caught up to them...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: curmudgeon
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 08:04 PM

Craig needn't fret about what Democrats will do, but rather    his fellow Republicans
-- Tom

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 08:24 PM

It's Sen. Craig's abysmal lack of judgment that condemns his political career. He was indiscrete enough to look for sex in an airport restroom. He was arrogant enough to flash his ID card at the arresting officer in an attempt to intimidate him. He was mistaken when he thought he could "get through" this problem by pleading guilty to a lessor charge rather than contacting a lawyer and fighting the original charge. He probably is a hypocrite when it comes to his own sexual preferences compared with how he votes in the Senate on laws related to gay and lesbian rights.

He may actually believe he can redeem himself and win re-election. Again, I believe he is mistaken even though he is in a "safe" Republican district. The only way a Democratic challenger could win in his district would be if Craig runs again.

I don't think Idaho voters will believe that there was a "conspiracy" to nail him but evidently that is what Sen. Craig is hoping for.

Here's to his retirement!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 08:33 PM

Republican or Democrat, liberal or conservative, male or female, straight or gay, it doesn't matter. Doin' it in an airport restroom is just fuckin' lowlife. There are hotels FULL of rooms near every major airport in the US. Why do you think they call those waits between flights "layovers"?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: SINSULL
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:07 PM

He had a lawyer who told him not to plead guilty. And he insists he is not gay and that he wasn't soliciting sex. Makes me wonder what the hell he was doing. I can't recall playing footsies through a locked bathroom door to see if it really was taken. Nor have I ever tapped on the floor and waved. Gross. Those floors are disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:13 PM

" Doin' it in an airport restroom is just fuckin' lowlife."

I was just getting ready to say the same thing.

You don't need "family values" to find this offensive. Ditto a fifty-year-old man being serviced by a teenage underling on her knees in their place of business.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:15 PM

Hey, maybe this guy could come to his defense.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:17 PM

John, if you are talking about who I think you are talking about, I don't think she was a teenager.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Bobert
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:22 PM

Very sad...

Sad for out nation 'cause it stiffens the beliefs of the homophobics and sad for Larry Craig who felt he couldn't represent his constituency because he is gay...

This hatred stuff has got to stop or it's gonna kill our country...

I fell so sorry for Larry Craig but more sorry for our country that is no longer a beacon of freedom, be it the freedom to say what you want or your sexuality...

This is all so very sad...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Peace
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:25 PM

She was 22 at the time of the alleged felayteo/fullaytio/falatio cock-sucking.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: astro
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:36 PM

Well, coming from Idaho, we note that our politicians seem to know how to conduct themselves stupidly...remember Rep. Hansen who set up a table outside the US embassy in Tehran during the hostage crisis...ran into Hansen in Salt Lake while flying back from Tucson for Christmas...been in the bar for several hours, due to problems with the plane. He showed me shredded CIA documents that were put back together by the militants. Stated that if the shah entered America, something bad would happen...marked as top secret, wondered if I should be seeing this...

Hansen made sense to me after drinking for hours...never made any sense when I was sober...

astro in LA

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 09:51 PM

What will kill him is the hypocrisy; I don't think most people in Idaho give a rat's ass if he's gay or straight or neither or both.

I had a meeting with the Mayor this morning; he returned from a meeting in Boise yesterday to find at least fifty calls awaiting him about this.

Apparently the Boise newspaper broke the story in Idaho. The "Statesman Journal" is not known for its radical, left-wing politics....

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 10:16 PM

San Fran Bill,
I had the same thought.
After 2 weeks on gay toilet patrol you can bet you would want to bust somebody, anybody for anything just to get out of that god damn stall.
"Yeah, he looked at me funny, he had limp wrists in the sink, he shook it one too many times, his elbow touched me, he asked if I was landing or taking off...





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*WE ALL KNOW WHY REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS ARE THE MOST GAY*
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Because closeted gays have to man up in every conceivable way to disguise their conflicted position. The best way for them to "man up" politically is to choose the blood and guts, do or die, war at any cost, macho, most patriotic Republican party.

Naturally gay women have no need to overdo the Republican manly ploy.

If Senator Craig fights this thing to the end he might end up using the same rationalization that Bill Clinton tried - "Oral sex isn't really sex."

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: EBarnacle
Date: 28 Aug 07 - 11:01 PM

Just his luck to run into an honest cop.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 06:42 AM

hippocracy: rule by hippotamus

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 06:50 AM

hippocracy: rule by hippopotamus

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 06:53 AM

"What will kill him is the hypocrisy; I don't think most people in Idaho give a rat's ass if he's gay or straight or neither or both."

Sure. It might be that they don't care if he's gay or straight or a rat's ass. But they MIGHT just think twice about a gay or straight guy who wants to represent them but doesn't show the good sense to not stick his dick through a knothole in a public bathroom stall.

Oh, I'm sorry. Is that what gays do? I wasn't aware that sticking your dick in the knothole of a public bathroom to be serviced by a stranger was "gay".

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:12 AM

I don't know, JH, but it could be splintery.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: John Hardly
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:15 AM

is "splintery" an adjective or an adverb?

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: pdq
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 09:22 AM

When is a hole not a hole? When it's a knothole!

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduct
From: Riginslinger
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 10:24 AM

"Oh, I'm sorry. Is that what gays do? I wasn't aware that sticking your dick in the knothole of a public bathroom to be serviced by a stranger was "gay"."


               I suspect it only works this way for "gay" Republicans. A large number of them spend so much time in church, they've been rendered incapable of rational thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Senator Larry Craig (R-Idaho)- lewd conduc
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Aug 07 - 11:49 AM

Either or both; the reader decides.