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Subject: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 19 Oct 07 - 07:42 AM There has been a lot of fuss in the news about people getting infections when they are patients in English hospitals. Recently I took my wife for out patient appointment, and while I was there I availed myself of the toilet facilities. I was immediately struck by the bus ticket sized toilet paper. Obviously too small to wipe an adult bottom. When I got home I measured it against the size of Andrex that you buy at a supermarket. the hospital toilet paper was at least two centimetres narrower. Is it any wonder people get infections if half the people there are wandering round with crap on their hands - and don't tell me you should wash your hands - some people simply don't! And anyway if you did, who can say if you miss a bit. This narrow toilet paper is surely a false economy. I have written to the hospital authority, but so far received no reply. Have I got a point, or have I gone as old and nuts as everyone says? |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: GUEST,IZAL Date: 19 Oct 07 - 07:53 AM Dear sir We have recieved your recent letter on the subject of toilet paper and would like to reassure you that ours fully complies with EU toilet paper standards. We do our best to ensure that our facilites are of the best standard possible, but recognise that non-standard stndards are difficult to comply with. Please be assured that we will be monitoring this issue closely (we have installed CCTV in all of our toilets). In the mean time feel free to discuss your toiletry needs with our equal opportunites office, Anne Drex on floor 8. Yours Ima Bitflushed |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Oct 07 - 10:22 AM Hey, man, the ONLY thing that really works is to wash your hands thoroughly...toilet paper or no toilet paper...and it's not a bad idea to wash your body down there too, if you have the facilities to. You don't in most western washrooms as they are set up. Toilet paper was invented primarily on behalf of modern people who are so terrified of facing their own crap that they will do anything to avoid being directly confronted with it. Same goes for flush toilets, which are a stupid idea ecologically speaking, because it's not smart to put large amounts of manure into a flowing water system...it tends to migrate into the local water supply. It should be put directly into the soil. Such creatures which are that scared of dealing responsibly with their own bodily processes are truly piteous in the greater field of Nature as far as I'm concerned. ;-) But, hey, I can still sympathize with your problem regarding the overly narrow rolls of paper. It's probably Maggie Thatcher's fault! Sounds like a cutback she would've brought in. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 10:26 AM I understand that in order to economize, the hospital administrations are requesting that patients use BOTH sides of the paper. I trust everyone will do his or her best to help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:14 AM No shit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Backwoodsman Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:48 AM "It's probably Maggie Thatcher's fault! Sounds like a cutback she would've brought in." We-e-e-ell, not quite. She would have widened it for the rich, and banned it altogether for the poor, if the rest of her record's anything to go by! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 12:45 PM You have toilet paper in English hospitals? Must be an NHS benefit.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: GUEST,sparticus Date: 19 Oct 07 - 12:48 PM Help! I've just posted to this thread with a useful suggestion for using the Daily Mail to help with this problem but it's gone missing. If it turns up in a sensitive thread please accept my apologies.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Oct 07 - 12:49 PM Geeze Rap......I was gonna' say it must be due to socialized medicine as the hospitals here are well supplied. Then again, you live in Idaho where you have to set your watch back 90 years when you cross the state line. So what do y'all use? Spuds? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 12:56 PM 120 grit sandpaper. No point wasting a good potato. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Oct 07 - 01:13 PM Hey, Spaw...we HAVE socialized medicine in Canada, and there is no shortage of toilet paper here. There is a shortage of real dumbasses, though. Maybe if a few more of you Yanks from Ohio moved here, we could eliminate that shortfall. You think? |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 01:26 PM Spaw's from Ohio? Sheeit, that explains lotsa things, no offense, Spaw. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: GUEST,IZAL Date: 19 Oct 07 - 01:30 PM Peace I'm suprised at the intemperate language you are using. Good grief ;-) Blue skies |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Bernard Date: 19 Oct 07 - 01:47 PM The whole thing's a tissue of lies... papering over the cracks to prevent people getting to the bottom of the problem... Seriously, though... my father has just been in hospital for a new knee, and I was disturbed by the number of people who were ignoring the anti-bacterial hand lotions by the doors in the hospital, despite prominent notices everywhere. He's been home for a couple of days, and has had sickness and diarrhoea since arriving home - and so has my mother. Coincidence? |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 02:34 PM Your father makes your mother sick to her stomach? |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Oct 07 - 02:35 PM The best place to catch something is in a hospital, because it's full of sick people! Sounds crazy, but it's true. Sick people should not be crammed together in a stuffy building with a lot of other sick people, they should be somewhere with healthy people around them, some sunshine, and some fresh air. However, the healthy people in society don't want the bother and the complex medical organizations that treat illness want everything in one place for obvious logistical and financial reasons. And that's the irony of it all. Want to stay healthy? Try as best you can to stay out of the hospital. If you have to go there, try to make it a fairly brief stay. Some, of course, don't have that choice...and in fairness to the medical staff, they certainly do the best they can. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: dick greenhaus Date: 19 Oct 07 - 02:37 PM My surprise at English toilet paper (institutional) was not so much its size, but the degree of glaze that seemed to have been applied. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 02:40 PM John Wayne toilet paper: it don't take shit off anybody. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: katlaughing Date: 19 Oct 07 - 03:48 PM They should all have bidets available, but THIS is the best paper to use! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:00 PM Oh, YUCK!!! That is just creepy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Emma B Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:13 PM it could be worse! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:44 PM Seat yerself.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Bert Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:48 PM It's the 'tight arsed' administrators that are to blame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:53 PM It's Bush's fault! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Bill D Date: 19 Oct 07 - 08:18 PM if you make a mistake, you can 'wipe' it out why, here in the US, we use VERY high quality paper |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 08:40 PM I have a great idea for a new way to do it all. Stay with me on this. It will involve a yet-to-be-developed paper that froms in the intestines after drinking a special brew that would coagulate the cellulose which is distributed along the colon as an appetizer before each meal. The coagulant forms and when one 'poops', it would come out prewrapped, coated with a fibre that will break down after a few days. There would be NO MORE NEED for toilet paper. The idea needs a bit of work, but there's gold in them thar hills, as it were. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 08:47 PM OK. I see you folks don't understand a million dollar idea when it comes along. Piss on ya then! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 09:20 PM Peace, I was taking the time to contact a Certain Businessman about your idea. He's very, very excited about it and wants very much to finance you with venture capital. You will receive an email from him shortly, and he will explain how to get the money from his bank in Nigeria into your own bank account. No, no need to thank me. I just like doing good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:27 PM That's brilliant, Peace. Just brilliant. It would really appeal to people who want everything done for them, which means it's a marketing man's dream! WE'RE GONNA BE RICH!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:32 PM OK. At last, visionaries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:47 PM Wee - when your wife is better....
Each country has its anal customs.....Germany - immaculate with little platforms to examin your creations.....France - grab the pole and lean back....China .... find a hole, any hole, and squat.....South America.....place the soiled tissue in the tampon-box and never flush it with the fecis....etc...etc....etc...
Be thankful you are a Brit....and a small little bit of your purloined paper came from the socialized taxed-estate of Prince Harold.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Oct 07 - 03:16 AM Gargoyle, you're talking to a folksinger whose only television performance was on a German TV programme - The Fifty Greatest Football Hits of All Time - sandwiched between a punk version of You'll never Walk Alone and Kevin Keegan's hit. I defy anybody to be in a programme like that, and not know about shit and all its diversity. All I know - I don't get shit on my hands in the regular way of things - but I did in that bloody hospital. And its really the last place people should be getting shit on their hands. They are currently setting up ezpensive committees of government experts as to where this MRSA thing is coming from. I don't say I have thrust my hand into the answer - I just think normal sized toiet paper would be a step in the right direction to solving some their problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 20 Oct 07 - 07:38 PM MRSA does not come from shit. It comes from snot. You blow your nose into a tissue and you may have MRSA on your hands. Over half the population harbour Staphylococcus aureus ("..SA") in their noses. But how often do you see people blowing their noses and then not washing their hands! Bloody disgusting. Dirty doctors and dirty nurses are what's killing people in droves in our hospitals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Oct 07 - 10:15 PM That, and those sudden attacks by wandering rogue elephants. I lost an uncle that way at Toronto General. It was awful, just awful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 21 Oct 07 - 02:57 AM what are you saying Steve.... shits all right, but snot and bogies are a complete no no! You can have pooh up the armpits, but if you pick the old schnoz that could be serious. I wonder if they teach this stuff at medical college. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Michael Date: 21 Oct 07 - 03:45 AM Refering back to Emma B's pic: "It's for the grater good" Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 21 Oct 07 - 05:45 AM I had a nurse friend who insisted that doctor could not spread disease - she never saw them disinfect their stethoscopes or wash their hands between patients! :-) Bring bidets out in the open, I say! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Mr Happy Date: 21 Oct 07 - 07:08 AM Absolutely! Just like the Romans' al fresco, community bogs - no paper, instead clean running water to rinse your arsewipe cloth in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Emma B Date: 21 Oct 07 - 07:16 AM and plenty of company too |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Metchosin Date: 21 Oct 07 - 01:13 PM Recent studies in Canada have proven that that anti-bacterial lotion provided for visitors and staff to disinfect hands is virtually useless. The only thing that is effective is good old soap and water. The study also demonstrated that the worst offenders, in the hand washing department, were doctors visiting patients on the ward. Ignaz Semmelweis is rolling in his grave......to have come so far and learned so little. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: dick greenhaus Date: 21 Oct 07 - 05:55 PM Once upon a time there was a VERY effective anti-bacterial wash: Hexachloprophene. Unfortinately, some careless nurses failed to rinse it off some infants in their care, and the net results were that Hex got banned--and sepsis rates skyrocketed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:09 PM WLD, did I say that shit was useful, wonderful beneficial stuff to have hanging around in hospitals? Of course not! I was merely making the point that the bacteria responsible for MRSA reside in some people's noses, not up their bums. Other horrors do reside up some people's bums, there's no doubt. E. coli, Salmonella, various Clostridia, dysentery, Norwalk's virus, cholera, tapeworm segments to name but a few. But let's get it right about Staph aureus. It lives on skin and it lives up noses. So, next time you blow your bloody nose, wash your hands before you make my soddin' butty. OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:17 PM look, I can't help what happens with peoples noses, but I think what happens with their bums - well the situation would be better if the bog paper was of a decent size? I'm asking for a consensus on this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: the lemonade lady Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:20 PM My elderly Mum had to spend a few days in HEREFORD HOSPITAL UK about 18months ago. I had to complain because the window sill behind her bed obviously hadn't been dusted for ages, there was someone else's dried flannel there all of the time she was there. I had to request they change the curtain around her bed because there was a poo stain on it. I noticed a container on the wall by the door containing hand cleanser and a notice requesting all visitors and staff entering and leaving the ward to cleanse their hands. I observed that no one at all did this. When I spoke to the ward manager (staff nurse as was) she said it was optional!!! No wonder HEREFORD HOSPITAL UK is in trouble with MRSA. Sal |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: the lemonade lady Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:28 PM Interesting reading |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 07 - 07:13 PM It is interesting though it's a bit out of date. We are very worried in Cornwall about the poor reputation of Treliske hospital and I know at least one person facing the prospect of going into hospital there who is absolutely terrified. This is another side to this problem. I'm a great admirer of the achievements of the NHS but this is an issue that blights the whole organisation at the moment. When it comes to people feeling that admission to hospital is akin to a death sentence there is something horribly wrong, even allowing for the fact that fears may be exaggerated. And it's a well-known fact that the gel hand-rubs, even if conscientiously applied (which as we all know is frequently not the case), do not work against Clostridium difficile. My view on the gel rubs is that they are doing more harm than good in terms of increasing complacency. I do keep a bottle of it in my car though, to use after handling money or supermarket trolleys. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 21 Oct 07 - 08:44 PM Clostridium difficile infection can be minimized by the simple expedient of wearing gloves and taking other anti-infection measures. One of the main reasons for CD outbreaks in patients with hospital stays beyond 10 days seems to be the use of CD-specific antibiotics. Also, there has been some studies that suggest (are you ready for this? are you sure?) that therapy involving the transplanting of fecal material from a healthy donor is a very effective treatment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Jeanie Date: 22 Oct 07 - 09:16 AM Apart from toilet paper size, another difficulty is where toilets (whether in a hospital or anywhere) have those annoying roll dispensers that are designed to only distribute one sheet at a time, and you have to over-ride the roller mechanism to get any more out. Whether at home or anywhere, I always collect a massive and comfortably soft wodge of paper, bigger than my hand, before using it. (More information than anyone would ever want to know....) So if public toilet owners think they are saving money by small paper size and single-sheet dispensers, with users like me, they are actually wasting their efforts. My poor old mum was in various hospitals in her last few years, some cleaner and better run than others. In one place, the nurses were very rarely around on the ward, but spent a great deal of time having meetings. One poor old soul was left on a commode for hours and in desperation, after calling out and using the buzzer, she had to call the ward office on her mobile to ask for assistance ! The corridors in this particular hospital were foul. When I visited, I had to negotiate piles of soiled bedlinen and puddles of fluid of an indeterminate but dubious nature. I had my "hospital clothes" that I wore just for the visits and peeled off on the doormat as soon as I had shut my front door when I got home. Something that amazes me, and which you never used to see: Very often, I see nurses still in their uniforms shopping in supermarkets. Two reasons why this is so bad: They are bringing the world into the hospitals, and they are bringing the hospitals into the world - particularly where they are handling food or brushing against food with their clothes. Yuk ! They don't seem to teach hygiene or basic nursing care any more. - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 22 Oct 07 - 09:48 AM Basic hygiene is so, so, passe. Washing hands? Tres boring, n'est pas? Besides, we have antibiotics...even if they are losing their effectiveness in many diseases...even if prevention is better than treatment.... I remember receiving tuberculin tests in grade school. I remember getting both Salk and Sabin vaccines, as well as DPT, tetanus, and others. Now parents are avoiding vaccinations by claiming religious reasons even if they are not of that religious persuasion. When, not if, a pandemic comes I think that there are going to be many die unnecessarily, deaths that could have been prevented by basic hygiene and immunizations. Me, I'll continue to get flu shots, tetanus shots, pneumonia shots, and so on. I also drive in the daytime with my headlights on -- I'll take every advantage I can get. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Oct 07 - 07:00 PM There are reports that say we come into direct contact with the fecal matter from about a dozen different people every day. Having observed the handwashing habits of some of my work colleagues, I can see how. Soap and water are the best ways to get rid of these but only if you spend as long washing as it takes to sing 'Happy Birthday'. LTS |
