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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 26 Oct 07 - 12:06 PM Carefully unfold the paper you're given -- one sheet only! Now carefully fold it into quarters. Tear a small piece off the point that's the "center" of the fold and put it aside. Now unfold the paper and put your finger through the hole and wipe. Wipe your finger clean with with paper collar that's around it. When that's done, take the little triangle of paper you tore off and use it to clean you nails. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 26 Oct 07 - 10:01 AM WLD Are you trying to tell us that the hospital uses 'recycled toilet paper"? eeeewwww! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 26 Oct 07 - 08:41 AM I got a reply, but I can't make head nor tail of it. It says the toilet paper is from a renewable source. The subject at hand is peoples' shitty fingers not the destruction of the rain forest. Last night I ran into a member of the hospital committee - I will send a copy of the letter and its reply to him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 25 Oct 07 - 09:29 AM Semmelweiss was laughed at. Pasteur wasn't believed. Both were proved right and iatragenic deaths declined in a remarkable manner. I highly recommend the book "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry (2005). From the "head in the sand" attitudes of some of the health officials to the true heroism of most doctors and nurses, it's extremely relevant reading. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: lady penelope Date: 25 Oct 07 - 07:35 AM Doctors do indeed spread disease's. One of my colleagues did a project on the levels of MRSA present on doctors' pens. All I can say, is never a let a doctor with a pen anywhere near you if you have an open wound..... But yes, in British hospitals, the basic level of clean practice is laughable. But then that's what happens when you start putting finance before good practice. When demoralised staff have their work loads increased above and beyond even unreasonable levels due to staff cuts to save money. Junior staff aren't supervised properly and everyone adopts the "It's not my problem" attitude. In the end if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys. However, doctors do not help in the slightest with this. Their understanding of basic clean practice is generally non existant. Junior doctors think it's just the thing to be seen swanking about in their ward coats, even in the cafeteria, and see nothing wrong with then going from ward to ward without bothering to wash hands or change coats. More senior doctors help even less, they don't pull the junior doctors up about lack of hygene and they themselves don't even bother with ward coats, never mind the lack of hand washing. Frankly, unless you see a doctor wash their hands, I wouldn't let one near you if you have an open wound. Alcohol gel rub is only ever meant as a one off substitute for washing hands. It is by no means meant to replace washing hands. As such it is fine for visitors - so long as they don't touch the patient - and fine for doctors & nurses so long as they either don't touch the patient or they wear gloves during any NON INVASIVE proceedure. The minute needles or anything else of such a nature comes into play, hands should be washed before donning a pair of gloves, which should be discarded appropriately once the proceedure is finished and the hands then re-washed. Clostridium Difficile is usually contracted if the patient's overall immune system is compromised. This can be through drug addiction, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, an illness itself, or taking large amounts of antibiotics. MRSA is EVERYWHERE, but is only a problem for people with open wounds. However, this does include introvenous lines into the body etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: theleveller Date: 25 Oct 07 - 05:42 AM "froms in the intestines after drinking a special brew" Don't know about 'froms' but I always get the shits when I drink Special Brew. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 25 Oct 07 - 04:13 AM As I said Garg - Doctors don't spread diseaase! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 24 Oct 07 - 10:44 PM Mr. Greenhouse...concur with your HEX$*^*^ annecdote.
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Mr Happy Date: 24 Oct 07 - 06:56 AM http://www.carbolicsoap.com/bcarbolic-rangeb-c-230.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 24 Oct 07 - 12:40 AM "Bring back good old hankies and Carbolic soap!" Ah yes - those were the good old days - when nursing mothers were told that if they didn't bottle feed, they should scrub their nipples with carbolic and a steel scrubbing brush... Hmmm, maybe I should have posted this in the Old Farts thread... |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Oct 07 - 06:46 PM Hospitals are places in which sick people are concentrated. They have lower resistance to infection than the general population and decreased ability to fight infection once acquired. Not only that, but the confined nature of the place tends to constantly recycle the germs involved if hygiene standards are not strictly controlled (which they are not). That's why there is an "epidemic" of MRSA in hospitals but not outside. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Bonzo3legs Date: 23 Oct 07 - 05:21 PM I don't recall having this problem with lavatory paper in private hospitals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Mo the caller Date: 23 Oct 07 - 03:46 PM I blame unit pricing for the decrease in loo paper sheet size. It used to be big enough for a single sheet to be useful, now you need 2 so use more. But the supermarkets have stopped using the abbreviation - shts / p |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 23 Oct 07 - 02:53 PM Or in pubic places. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 07 - 12:08 PM Aye, that'll be next - no brething or blowing nose in a pulbic place or while driving! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Mr Happy Date: 23 Oct 07 - 12:03 PM If Mrs A is getting up everyone's nose, why isn't there an epidemic outside of the hospitals? |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 23 Oct 07 - 10:54 AM Whew. What a relief. I thought this thread had been wiped out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: MuddleC Date: 23 Oct 07 - 09:34 AM Forget Matron, the labour party could stop MRSA at a stroke... make noses illegal... this could have a knock-on effect on the eradication of political brown-nosing, removal of the class system..no more looking down one's nose..the reduction of the nanny state..no more poking one's nose in where it's not wanted.. The Romans had it sorted, have a conk that distributed contents where the toungue could sort it..the top lip...thus not many romans wore moustaches.... I'll get my coat |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Oct 07 - 06:09 AM A bit of serious education about noses and hankies would go a long way towards eliminating MRSA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Liz the Squeak Date: 23 Oct 07 - 03:22 AM An afterthought... Whilst my father in law was in hospital earlier this year, I used the squirty hand gel stuff as you're supposed to. During my visit, I wanted to wash my hands again (yoghurt related incident) but could I see the sink that's supposed to be on every ward? Turns out it was hidden behind the door, so close to a patients' bed that if the tap was turned on too hard, he got a shower. Consequently, it was mostly obscured by curtains or his visitors and almost completely unaccessible. It was almost as if it were put in as an afterthought. And I lost count of the amount of times a certain rubber gloved nurse wiped his nose with the back of his hand and then laid those same hands on my father in law to change his dressings. Bring back good old hankies and Carbolic soap! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: GUEST Date: 23 Oct 07 - 03:11 AM Re nurses in uniform outside hospitals. I remember reading a letter in a newspaper from someone who had worked in a brewery. On arrival, they went to a staff room where they changed into laundered uniforms and boots before going on "the floor". His conclusion was that in the UK we take better care of our beer than of our patients. Eddie |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Liz the Squeak Date: 22 Oct 07 - 07:00 PM There are reports that say we come into direct contact with the fecal matter from about a dozen different people every day. Having observed the handwashing habits of some of my work colleagues, I can see how. Soap and water are the best ways to get rid of these but only if you spend as long washing as it takes to sing 'Happy Birthday'. LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 22 Oct 07 - 09:48 AM Basic hygiene is so, so, passe. Washing hands? Tres boring, n'est pas? Besides, we have antibiotics...even if they are losing their effectiveness in many diseases...even if prevention is better than treatment.... I remember receiving tuberculin tests in grade school. I remember getting both Salk and Sabin vaccines, as well as DPT, tetanus, and others. Now parents are avoiding vaccinations by claiming religious reasons even if they are not of that religious persuasion. When, not if, a pandemic comes I think that there are going to be many die unnecessarily, deaths that could have been prevented by basic hygiene and immunizations. Me, I'll continue to get flu shots, tetanus shots, pneumonia shots, and so on. I also drive in the daytime with my headlights on -- I'll take every advantage I can get. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Jeanie Date: 22 Oct 07 - 09:16 AM Apart from toilet paper size, another difficulty is where toilets (whether in a hospital or anywhere) have those annoying roll dispensers that are designed to only distribute one sheet at a time, and you have to over-ride the roller mechanism to get any more out. Whether at home or anywhere, I always collect a massive and comfortably soft wodge of paper, bigger than my hand, before using it. (More information than anyone would ever want to know....) So if public toilet owners think they are saving money by small paper size and single-sheet dispensers, with users like me, they are actually wasting their efforts. My poor old mum was in various hospitals in her last few years, some cleaner and better run than others. In one place, the nurses were very rarely around on the ward, but spent a great deal of time having meetings. One poor old soul was left on a commode for hours and in desperation, after calling out and using the buzzer, she had to call the ward office on her mobile to ask for assistance ! The corridors in this particular hospital were foul. When I visited, I had to negotiate piles of soiled bedlinen and puddles of fluid of an indeterminate but dubious nature. I had my "hospital clothes" that I wore just for the visits and peeled off on the doormat as soon as I had shut my front door when I got home. Something that amazes me, and which you never used to see: Very often, I see nurses still in their uniforms shopping in supermarkets. Two reasons why this is so bad: They are bringing the world into the hospitals, and they are bringing the hospitals into the world - particularly where they are handling food or brushing against food with their clothes. Yuk ! They don't seem to teach hygiene or basic nursing care any more. - jeanie |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 21 Oct 07 - 08:44 PM Clostridium difficile infection can be minimized by the simple expedient of wearing gloves and taking other anti-infection measures. One of the main reasons for CD outbreaks in patients with hospital stays beyond 10 days seems to be the use of CD-specific antibiotics. Also, there has been some studies that suggest (are you ready for this? are you sure?) that therapy involving the transplanting of fecal material from a healthy donor is a very effective treatment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 07 - 07:13 PM It is interesting though it's a bit out of date. We are very worried in Cornwall about the poor reputation of Treliske hospital and I know at least one person facing the prospect of going into hospital there who is absolutely terrified. This is another side to this problem. I'm a great admirer of the achievements of the NHS but this is an issue that blights the whole organisation at the moment. When it comes to people feeling that admission to hospital is akin to a death sentence there is something horribly wrong, even allowing for the fact that fears may be exaggerated. And it's a well-known fact that the gel hand-rubs, even if conscientiously applied (which as we all know is frequently not the case), do not work against Clostridium difficile. My view on the gel rubs is that they are doing more harm than good in terms of increasing complacency. I do keep a bottle of it in my car though, to use after handling money or supermarket trolleys. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: the lemonade lady Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:28 PM Interesting reading |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: the lemonade lady Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:20 PM My elderly Mum had to spend a few days in HEREFORD HOSPITAL UK about 18months ago. I had to complain because the window sill behind her bed obviously hadn't been dusted for ages, there was someone else's dried flannel there all of the time she was there. I had to request they change the curtain around her bed because there was a poo stain on it. I noticed a container on the wall by the door containing hand cleanser and a notice requesting all visitors and staff entering and leaving the ward to cleanse their hands. I observed that no one at all did this. When I spoke to the ward manager (staff nurse as was) she said it was optional!!! No wonder HEREFORD HOSPITAL UK is in trouble with MRSA. Sal |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:17 PM look, I can't help what happens with peoples noses, but I think what happens with their bums - well the situation would be better if the bog paper was of a decent size? I'm asking for a consensus on this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 07 - 06:09 PM WLD, did I say that shit was useful, wonderful beneficial stuff to have hanging around in hospitals? Of course not! I was merely making the point that the bacteria responsible for MRSA reside in some people's noses, not up their bums. Other horrors do reside up some people's bums, there's no doubt. E. coli, Salmonella, various Clostridia, dysentery, Norwalk's virus, cholera, tapeworm segments to name but a few. But let's get it right about Staph aureus. It lives on skin and it lives up noses. So, next time you blow your bloody nose, wash your hands before you make my soddin' butty. OK? |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: dick greenhaus Date: 21 Oct 07 - 05:55 PM Once upon a time there was a VERY effective anti-bacterial wash: Hexachloprophene. Unfortinately, some careless nurses failed to rinse it off some infants in their care, and the net results were that Hex got banned--and sepsis rates skyrocketed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Metchosin Date: 21 Oct 07 - 01:13 PM Recent studies in Canada have proven that that anti-bacterial lotion provided for visitors and staff to disinfect hands is virtually useless. The only thing that is effective is good old soap and water. The study also demonstrated that the worst offenders, in the hand washing department, were doctors visiting patients on the ward. Ignaz Semmelweis is rolling in his grave......to have come so far and learned so little. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Emma B Date: 21 Oct 07 - 07:16 AM and plenty of company too |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Mr Happy Date: 21 Oct 07 - 07:08 AM Absolutely! Just like the Romans' al fresco, community bogs - no paper, instead clean running water to rinse your arsewipe cloth in. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 21 Oct 07 - 05:45 AM I had a nurse friend who insisted that doctor could not spread disease - she never saw them disinfect their stethoscopes or wash their hands between patients! :-) Bring bidets out in the open, I say! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Michael Date: 21 Oct 07 - 03:45 AM Refering back to Emma B's pic: "It's for the grater good" Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 21 Oct 07 - 02:57 AM what are you saying Steve.... shits all right, but snot and bogies are a complete no no! You can have pooh up the armpits, but if you pick the old schnoz that could be serious. I wonder if they teach this stuff at medical college. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 20 Oct 07 - 10:15 PM That, and those sudden attacks by wandering rogue elephants. I lost an uncle that way at Toronto General. It was awful, just awful. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Steve Shaw Date: 20 Oct 07 - 07:38 PM MRSA does not come from shit. It comes from snot. You blow your nose into a tissue and you may have MRSA on your hands. Over half the population harbour Staphylococcus aureus ("..SA") in their noses. But how often do you see people blowing their noses and then not washing their hands! Bloody disgusting. Dirty doctors and dirty nurses are what's killing people in droves in our hospitals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Oct 07 - 03:16 AM Gargoyle, you're talking to a folksinger whose only television performance was on a German TV programme - The Fifty Greatest Football Hits of All Time - sandwiched between a punk version of You'll never Walk Alone and Kevin Keegan's hit. I defy anybody to be in a programme like that, and not know about shit and all its diversity. All I know - I don't get shit on my hands in the regular way of things - but I did in that bloody hospital. And its really the last place people should be getting shit on their hands. They are currently setting up ezpensive committees of government experts as to where this MRSA thing is coming from. I don't say I have thrust my hand into the answer - I just think normal sized toiet paper would be a step in the right direction to solving some their problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:47 PM Wee - when your wife is better....
Each country has its anal customs.....Germany - immaculate with little platforms to examin your creations.....France - grab the pole and lean back....China .... find a hole, any hole, and squat.....South America.....place the soiled tissue in the tampon-box and never flush it with the fecis....etc...etc....etc...
Be thankful you are a Brit....and a small little bit of your purloined paper came from the socialized taxed-estate of Prince Harold.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:32 PM OK. At last, visionaries. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:27 PM That's brilliant, Peace. Just brilliant. It would really appeal to people who want everything done for them, which means it's a marketing man's dream! WE'RE GONNA BE RICH!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 09:20 PM Peace, I was taking the time to contact a Certain Businessman about your idea. He's very, very excited about it and wants very much to finance you with venture capital. You will receive an email from him shortly, and he will explain how to get the money from his bank in Nigeria into your own bank account. No, no need to thank me. I just like doing good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 08:47 PM OK. I see you folks don't understand a million dollar idea when it comes along. Piss on ya then! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Peace Date: 19 Oct 07 - 08:40 PM I have a great idea for a new way to do it all. Stay with me on this. It will involve a yet-to-be-developed paper that froms in the intestines after drinking a special brew that would coagulate the cellulose which is distributed along the colon as an appetizer before each meal. The coagulant forms and when one 'poops', it would come out prewrapped, coated with a fibre that will break down after a few days. There would be NO MORE NEED for toilet paper. The idea needs a bit of work, but there's gold in them thar hills, as it were. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Bill D Date: 19 Oct 07 - 08:18 PM if you make a mistake, you can 'wipe' it out why, here in the US, we use VERY high quality paper |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:53 PM It's Bush's fault! |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Bert Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:48 PM It's the 'tight arsed' administrators that are to blame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: toilet paper size in English hospitals From: Rapparee Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:44 PM Seat yerself.... |
