BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 02:03 PM

Better late than never. Might send a loud message to the incoming electees.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 01:49 PM

TOO LATE

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 11:40 AM

http://www.dennis4president.com

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 11:03 AM

"Kucinich Schedules Nationwide Call-in Monday to Address Cheney Impeachment Measure



    WASHINGTON, Nov. 4 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Thousands of supporters,
political activists, and other interested citizens are expected to dial in
Monday (tomorrow) evening to a nationwide conference call to hear
Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich explain why and how he
plans to force an up-or-down vote in the U.S. House of Representatives on
the impeachment resolution against Vice President Richard B. Cheney.
    Last week, the Ohio Congressman announced that he will be offering a
"privileged resolution" on Tuesday, November 6, that will, within two days,
require House members to vote on what to do with the impeachment measure,
which currently has 22 sponsors. Dozens of supportive organizations have
advised the Kucinich campaign that they will be lobbying Congressional
representatives heavily over the next few days to support the Ohio
Congressman impeachment resolution (House Resolution 333).
    The conference call is expected to begin at about 7:30 p.m. ET on
Monday. It will be open to anyone, including representatives of the news
media. Additional details will be posted on the campaign website,
http://www.dennis4president.com.



SOURCE Kucinich for President 2008"

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:58 AM

There's definitely some big rifts between people who identify with one camp or the other, but my hope is that people who feel alienated from either side or both sides will try to see past all of that and just look at the resolution and judge it on its own merits.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:55 AM

Point taken, Midchuck. I have already said as much myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Midchuck
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 10:52 AM

People who don't know why Cheney needs to be impeached are either just plain ignorant in a general sense...or they are willfully, deliberately ignorant...or they're in some state of denial.

You don't do your position of damn bit of good by responding to a sincere question with an ad hominem attack on the person who asked the question, just for asking it. (And if you didn't believe it was a sincere question, you should have presented your evidence that it was not, for the benefit of other readers.)

In Cheney, we see the arrogance of the conservative. In people who use that technique in responding, we see the arrogance of the liberal. Which is why I tend, more and more, to walk away from politics, muttering, "A plague on both...."

Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 07:25 AM

Check this out, Mr. Hardly...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=20sRFPAbDQw

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: John Hardly
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 05:32 AM

Yeah, brave.

Like the celebrities on Dancing With the Stars. It's inspiring to see someone reach so far out of their comfort zone.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: balladeer
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 12:40 AM

Ah Hawk. From the hip as ever ....

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: MarkS
Date: 05 Nov 07 - 12:06 AM

OK all - I've reset my cookie! Gotta learn to do that before posting so I do not come up as a guest!
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Peace
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 11:41 AM

Allow me to introduce you two: Little Hawk, Mark; Mark, Little Hawk. Both good guys IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 11:23 AM

Well, pardon me for that, Mark. It was pretty rude of me. I was assuming you were probably just a troll screwing around here on this thread for the hell of it, but I guess maybe I was wrong about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 11:18 AM

Thank you. CarolC, for your straightforward answer to my request for information.
Thank you too, Little Hawk. You too answered my question, but your response is somewhat blemished by your first sentence. Did you really need to make that dig?
Thanks again all
Mark

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 04 Nov 07 - 12:52 AM

MarkS - People who don't know why Cheney needs to be impeached are either just plain ignorant in a general sense...or they are willfully, deliberately ignorant...or they're in some state of denial. He has lied about WMDs in Iraq. He has concealed intelligence reports from military intelligence. He has lied about a supposed relationship between Iraq (under Saddam Hussein) and Al Queda. He has illegally, openly and repeatedly threatened to attack Iran, a nation which has not attacked the USA and doesn't even have the means to attack the USA in the first place. He has encouraged a similar illegal attack on Iraq already, another nation which did not attack the USA and had no means of doing so.

Those are illegal actions. They are criminal, both by the USA law and by international law. Cheney has committed high treason against the USA and international war crimes, and he should be tried for both.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 08:47 PM

He's incredibly brave, LH. He's already survived a few attempts on his life (back when he was the mayor of Cleveland).

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 08:45 PM

Here you go, MarkS. The resolution and supporting documentation...

http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: GUEST,MarkS
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 08:28 PM

Sorry about the above - pushed enter too soon!

What is Cheney said to have done which has got Kuchinch so worked up?

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 06:44 PM

Good luck to you all down there in the USA with this. Mr Kucinich is a brave man, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 06:03 PM

Mostly that it is the same as it has always been, Peace...which is a shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 05:53 PM

That then becomes the real issue, Art. If the legislative bodies cannot vote based on right/wrong according to law when they themselves make the law, what does that say about law in the USA?

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 05:16 PM

If one considers that the Senate should vote on the basis of right/wrong rather than considering political expedience, than it is fairly certain that Bill Clinton would have been convicted when he was impeached for lying about not having a sexual relationship with Monica Lewinsky...and then we would have had Al Gore as President in December 1998. Interesting thought, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 04:26 PM

As Carol pointed out, this would be a good time to see what prospective Dems and Repubs are like in terms of right/wrong. If they can't vote for law now, what damned good will they be to y'all AFTER the next election?

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: Peace
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 04:19 PM

"Twenty Questions About Impeaching a Vice President"

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 04:14 PM

Those are interesting points, artbrooks. I don't think I agree with them though. If there is a trial in the Senate, I think a lot of evidence will come out that would make it very difficult for even most Republicans to vote against conviction. The number of voters in the US who support impeachment is even higher for Bush/Cheney than it was for Nixon. It could become very uncomfortable, if enough evidence surfaces (and I think it would), for the Senate to fail to convict.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 03:54 PM

1. There is a vote for impeachment in the House.
2. There is a trial in the Senate.
3. There can be no conviction, because that would require half of the Republicans voting for it. Fat chance.
4. So Cheney is acquitted...i.e., he wins, and (from the Right's point of view, at least) the precedent stands-legally.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 03:46 PM

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, artbrooks, but my own opinion is that if we don't impeach, the erosion of our Constitution that the Bush administration has worked so hard to bring about will become precedent for future administrations. As long as this precedent remains, I personally don't see any chance of there ever being any moderate Republican or Democratic administrations.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: artbrooks
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 03:27 PM

Cheney and Bush should both have been gone long ago, but it isn't going to happen for another fifteen months. A vote in the House for impeachment can never be anything but symbolic, since there is absolutely no possibility of getting a 75% vote in the Senate for conviction. A long and bitter impeachment trial would eliminate any prospect of the more moderate Republicans collaborating with the Democrats to accomplish anything. This really only provides more ammunition for those who are saying this is a do-nothing Congress.

Subject: RE: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 02:29 PM

I have written to our Rep. Thanks, Carol.

Subject: BS: Impeachment Action Needed (quickly)
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Nov 07 - 01:55 PM

Dennis Kucinich is soon going to be bringing a bill to the floor of the House that will be for impeaching VP Cheney. He needs people to contact their representatives to tell them to vote against any motion to table the bill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zisvf7Ci70Y


Kucinich is expected to offer his privileged resolution on Tuesday. He expects to continue pushing it until the House acts. That action is likely to be a successful move by Democratic leaders to table the measure.

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkid=44941


Here's the text of the email that I sent to my Congressman...


Dear Congressman ......

I am a voter in your district. I ask for your attention to the following matter when it comes before you on the floor of the House.

Congressman Kucinich will soon be invoking a privilege of the house by submitting Resolution 333 (motion to impeach Vice President Cheney), and asking for consideration of the bill. I ask that you please vote against any motion to table this bill.

I ask you this for the sake of the future of our country. History is watching. What is done or not done in the next few months will be critical for the preservation of our most sacred and cherished institutions, for ourselves and for future generations.

Thank you for your time and consideration.