BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....

Subject: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 01:54 PM

Hmmmmmmm???

Hey, I saw this woman's piccure in the paper and if he didn't than that's good reason alone not to vote for him...

Awwwwww, jus' funnin'...

I couldn't care less if he did or didn't...

Jus' hope he ain't pullin' no Slick Willie here...

B;)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: GUEST,Chief Chaos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 01:57 PM

They're putting the cart before the horse there. We've got to wait until he's actually the Prez before we can impeach him for lewd acts!

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From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 02:06 PM

Aw she's ain't all that, Bobez. You should come into town onceta while.


Actually I believe him; I think he is a straight shooter. Unfortunately, one overly-fond of shooting.



A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Wesley S
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 02:10 PM

Republicans have sex? Now there's NO excuse for acting the way they do.....

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From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 02:15 PM

Vote Republican and w'all go be screwed, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 02:41 PM

Straight shooter...read this:

But both of Cindy McCain's staged, teary drug-addiction confessions have been vintage John McCain. His MO is this: Get the story out -- even if it's a negative story. Get it out first, with the spin you want, with the details you want and without the details you don't want.

McCain did it with the Keating Five, and with the story of the failure of his first marriage (Cindy is his second wife). So what you recall after the humble, honest interview, is not that McCain did favors for savings and loan failure Charlie Keating, or that he cheated on his wife, but instead what an upfront, righteous guy he is.

Candor is the McCain trademark, but what the journalists who slobber over the senator fail to realize is that the candor is premeditated and polished. John McCain shoots from the hip -- but only after carefully rehearsing the battle plan, to be sure he won't get shot himself.

from here with an update.

His first marriage ended due to his extra-marital affairs and eventually he dumped his wife for a woman 17 years his junior. He freely admits this, another example of his controlling the spin, I suppose.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 02:50 PM

To me it just seems a little odd that he is denying ALL aspects of the story-no I didn't have an affair, no I never told her to distance herself, no my staff never told her to distance herself from my campaign. Something of those 3 options has to be the truth, not just conjecture. The Times is flawed for sure, but this is not the National Enquirer-somethings up there.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 02:50 PM

Yeah, Kat, I think you've got it. Whether there's anything to it or not, McCain wants to have this discussion now so it'll be old hat by the time he gets into the general election.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Leadbelly
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:05 PM

Make sex, not war!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: gnu
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:14 PM

17 years his junior? Well, if ya gotta do it, do it right, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:23 PM

sex with oven chips.....?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:30 PM

"somethings up there. "

Ya seem to have got the tense wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: PoppaGator
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:31 PM

I read the story this morning, but our local paper did not include a photo of the young woman.

Now, Bobert's got me all curious about what she looks like!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:34 PM

Peace-Que?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:51 PM

Who cares who or what this guy is sleeping with? This is a pretty honorable guy, and a straight shooter. I just don't care if he did or did not sleep with the woman. I am much more concerned with his position on the war, and with his economic policies. I guess it would be different if he were posturing as the bastion of morality, as a Craig or Hazard did. But he doesn't adopt that position.

I am tired of the partisanship that attempts to paint public servants, no matter their stripe, as evil. I find more than enough to dislike about his policies, and mucking it up with this stuff just gives the independent and moderate left voter something to focus on other than what I need them to. When will we ever learn?

Non issue. I hope folks don't suck into it.

Mick

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From: Donuel
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 03:55 PM

He's 80 and she's 60 something. I don't think he was robbing the cradle but it is a good opportunity for McCain for various reasons...

It dulls the rumor that he is impotent.
He could take Bob Dole's Viagra spokesman job.
He would get nursing home votes.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:03 PM

Big Mick-the story is not just the (faint)possibility that he slept with her. She was asked to distance herself from his 1999 campaign because McCain has always publically distanced himself from special interests. The media has been quick to jump on this as another sex scandal, but this is the real story because it could prove to be hypocritical to him.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: kendall
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:04 PM

If you want the whole story about this paragon of virtue, read, "THE NIGHTIGALE'S SONG.

Is he really 80? and she is how young? Hell, he could die of long division! I hope no one asks me to explain that.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:14 PM

He nurtures the illusion of being a straight-shooter - see my previous posting. I agree there are other issues that are more important, but folks need to know how he manipulates and also be reminded of his past ties with the Keating scandal, etc.

gnu...I can guarantee you a woman seventeen years younger than you would not be able to teach you anything gnew, whereas if you dump the ageist bullshit ya might get someone like me who would! On the other hand, if you've a saggy bottom, I might go looking for a youngster m'self!**BSEG**

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:16 PM

I think he's 71.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:17 PM

No, McCain is not 80.

And no, I don't want to try to divide fractions at my advanced age (invert McCain and divide by Cindy and then multiply?).

Mick-

You're right as usual.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:24 PM

If he's 71 and still gettin' it on, and she's 60 and still active -- good for them.

Reminds me of the rumor that Nancy Reagan was doing Frank Sinatra in the White House when they were both what? 70? To which I responded, "Riiiiiiiiiiight..........."

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:24 PM

I'm waiting for the day a politican says, "None of your fu#kin' business."

One of the many things I liked about Pierre Trudeau. He knew how to call a spade a shovel.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:28 PM

With regard for my buddy, Big Mick, I tend to agree with your post. BUT, not of these shits in politics have had the cajones to stand up and decry their own party's accusations against the opposition. Until such time as McCain/Obama/Clinton/etc do so, then IMO they friggin' well deserve whatever shit gets tossed back at them. Fu#kers are all smug and righteous until it hits them. THEN they cry 'Foul'. NO sympathy from me.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:29 PM

He is 71, only a year older than my brother who looks maybe 50. Cindy McCain, at 17 years younger is, 54...same age as me..so I guess they could be like brother and sister!*smile*

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 04:30 PM

He is 71, born August 29, 1936

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Slag
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 05:11 PM

"...he reaches across the aisle..."

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 06:28 PM

Like I said in my first post, I couldn't care less if he did the deed or not...

I do, however, have concerns that he may be Slick Willyibn' here and not tellin' the truth... "Straight shooters" are supposed to be truth tellers...

I am also concerned about the timing of this story... Had it hit the day before New Hampshire, Romney would be the front runner now... I am concerned that the McCain handlers have ***used*** the New York Times by giving them what the Times needed for the story to be a "go" and then used the "go" as a way of gfetting the rightie's all lathered up against the "liberal media"...

This has Karl Rove written all over it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 06:31 PM

Who cares who's written all over it, Bobert. McCain never said a thing when the Republicans were smearing Dems. Nor did Obama or Hillary say a damned thing when Kucinich was getting taken out of debates, etc. They have the morals of alley cats when it comes to 'fair play'. It's only unfair when they themselves are the target. A pox on the whole damned lot of them.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 06:35 PM

PS,

I was an Obama 'supporter' (with that and a buck ya can ride the bus. I have no vote in it anyway.) until he didn't speak out on behalf of Kucinich and the debates. It let me know right then that it's about the election, not the principles he espouses.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Peace
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 06:43 PM

And Hillary wouldn't know a principle if it bit her ass.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: gnu
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 06:44 PM

Kat... after that movie a few years back, I have wanted to be a Saggy Bottom Boy. Love them tunes.

Um, by the way. If I was so inclined, I would think my saggy bottom would not enter into play where points were to be made. Depends on if you want a dancer or a dance.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 06:54 PM

They won't quit talking about it on the 'news' shows...
It may affect the race, whether he is guilty of anything or not.
I hope it doesn't....but it sounds like the kind of story where, like conspiracy theories, it is difficult to prove nothing actually happened, so remains smoldering.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:13 PM

Since he can hardly move his arms (that is to say, those attached to his body, not his military weapons), I am curious about the mechanics.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Amos
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:18 PM

Obama came close when he said:"Of course I inhaled. That was the point!"


Anyway as far as I am concerned this is a non-event about a non-issue and I ain't gonna remark upon it.


A

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:23 PM

"RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with...."


               It needs to be change to, "I could not have sex with that woman, Miss..."

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bobert
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:41 PM

Well, yeah, Brucie...

I ain't all that happy with anyone right now...

But I am the least happy with the prospects of McWar callin' the shots... When he said he foresees the US military being in Iraq for the next 100 years, he means it...

Well, okay, the sumabich deserves to inherit Bush's mess... That would be the silver lining if he were elected/selected... The Repubs would have to go about cleaning up after themselves... Hmmmmm??? Now that's a novel idea...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 07:47 PM

No, Bobert, that's assuming they would recognise the mess and also the need to clean it up...they'd probably see it as a continuing business opportunity and carry on as usual!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 09:15 PM

They dealt with these issues with less difficulty back in Victorian England. Lord Palmerston, Prime Minister at the time, was cited as co-respondent in a divorce case at the age of 79.

His rival, Disraeli, said it was a great pity it came to light, because it would mean he would be likely to sweep the country at the next election. True enough, Palmerston's party did win the elction, with an increased majority.

More recently, when it turned out that Paddy Ashdown, the Liberal party leadwer, had had an affair, his popularity, as measured by opinion polls, promptly shot up. (Though he did get saddled with the enduring nickname "Paddy Pantsdown".)

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Feb 08 - 10:56 PM

This McCain "story" about the lobbyist is not only trivial and unworthy of the NYT--(sounds like the CEO of Smears R US could get a job with the Times)--but will give McCain the perfect opening to rail against the "liberal media"--and ingratiate himself with some prickly conservatives who've been against him--but identify with this criticism to the n th degree.

Thus helping to solidify the Democrats' opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 06:44 AM

You minded me of a long-ago SNL overture where Frank and Nancy were going hard and heavy at it upstairs and knocked plaster off the ceiling of the Oval Office while Ronnie was addressing the cameras, he smiled and said: "Oh, Frank and Nancy must be upstairs again...LIVE from New York...."

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:48 AM

not about oven chips then.....

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 08:53 AM

Congrats to all you True Blue Dems for stooping to the Rovian level of smear politics. You do yourselves proud showing you are every bit as vicious and vindictive as the Rove/Limbaugh machine.

Way to take the high road, people.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:03 AM

(chuckle) It is just a tad ironical, isn't it, GG?

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:29 AM

I don't think GUEST,Guest has actually bothered to read the thread - just mouthed off at what she or he assumes people will have said.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 10:03 AM

Yup, situation normal.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Genie
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 01:00 PM

The question is not whether McCain is having SEX with a lobbyist,
it's whether he's IN BED with her.

(I stole that from Bill Press or some other talk show host. But I think it's right on point.)

BTW, Vicki Iseman, the lobbyist McCain is accused of improper conduct (sexual or political) with is 40 years old, not 60.

And if you read Bobert's first comments, you'll see he was complimenting Ms. Iseman on her looks, not putting her down.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Genie
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 01:04 PM

Oh, and I do consider having sex with someone 29 years your junior* to be "robbing the cradle," but the bigger issue is, are she and he robbing the voters and taxpayers?
















*Actually, I consider it often. ;D

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: beardedbruce
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 06:15 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/21/AR2008022102445.html

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 06:31 PM

I read Gerson's OpEd, too, bb, and couldn't agree more... If the "Times" ain't got their story right then they owe not only McCain an apology but an apology to everyone in the country who has heard the story...

But if they have the skinny, this could get messy for McCain... Afterall, there are folks who remember that John has a history of affairs... But that isn't the issue here at all...

The "Times" needs to come clean and either backup what they said or apologize and learn something from this...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 06:39 PM

I wish to state categorically that I have not, repeat, NOT had sex with John McCain. Nor has anyone else whom I know had sex with John McCain.

And I trust that that will put this sordid matter to rest once and for all.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 06:42 PM

Check this out. http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/19682328/30016

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 06:45 PM

John McCain has been taking money from lobbyists for a long time. This makes him a hypocrite.

This is the real issue.

I don't care if he had sex with an orangutan.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 07:16 PM

Well, thanks, LH, fir breakin' clean... Yeah, I'll have to admit that I heard the rumblings but refuse to allow myself to consider the truthfullness...

Ahhh, yeah, Strings... McCain's campaign staff is made up almost exclusively of lobbiests...

This is one of the aces the Dems have up their sleeve in the general election...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 07:47 PM

Thanks Frank, for saying it exactly right. Male politicians not being able to keep their penis in their pants is hardly newsworthy.

What IS newsworthy, is McCain playing both sides of the conflict of interest issue, and claiming to have a moral high ground in that regard.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:06 PM

GG-

That's the major point and most of the folks posting to this thread would agree with that.

"I don't care if he had sex with an orangutan."

However, I do take exception to Frank's remark as one who is senstive to wild life ecology. I would be deeply and greatly concerned if I knew McCain had sex with an orangutan. They are an endangered species and making whoopie with McCain would only endanger them further.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 09:23 PM

I'm fed up with the misogynist attitudes in the forum that have become even worse than usual, now that Obama has pulled ahead of Clinton. So pardon me if I choose to read that into this thread. Regardless of what you think of McCain or this woman, she hardly deserves to be spoken of the way she is here, for the sport of the men here.

Any time a woman (except the Virgin Michelle, of course) gets mentioned in these political threads, the comments about the woman are way beyond the pale of reasonable political discourse, even jaunty banter. Same thing happened in the thread about Chelsea Clinton, and we see it pretty frequently in relation to Hilary as well.

IMO, it reflects a deeply entrenched misogynist culture shared by more than a few of the men who post at Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Genie
Date: 22 Feb 08 - 10:46 PM

Quote from Little Hawk:
"I wish to state categorically that I have not, repeat, NOT had sex with John McCain. "


Ah, but you'd love to, wouldn't ya? ;-)

G

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 01:07 AM

Yeah, I can't sleep at night for just thinking about it... ;-) The silver hair. The clenched jaw. The iron resolve. Zowee!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Peace
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 01:53 PM

"I don't care if he had sex with an orangutan."


The SPCA would like a word with you, Frank.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 02:03 PM

GG-

And you're not equally concerned about orangutans?

How about squids?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 02:45 PM

Chongo would not be a bit surprised to hear that McCain had sex with an Orangutan. He tells me that Orangutans will do anything.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 05:54 PM

I'd be surprised to hear that McCain had sex at all.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 06:00 PM

Looking at that story the sex aspect is far the less serious charge, and takes attentioon from the more relevant accusation about being too close to lobbyists in other ways.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 06:51 PM

Nah, Rigs...

Word on the street is that Big Mac was bangin' Cindy while still married to his ex...

4 years as a POW 'ill back you up...

lol...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 07:29 PM

"Who cares who or what this guy is sleeping with? This is a pretty honorable guy, and a straight shooter. I just don't care if he did or did not sleep with the woman. I am much more concerned with his position on the war, and with his economic policies."

A pity nobody said that about Bill Clinton, it might have saved you from the dreaded Shrub. Oh, of course, he's a democrat, so it's wrong.

I think I'm beginning to get a hazy idea of the rules.....nope, it's gone again.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 07:52 PM

"Looking at that story the sex aspect is far the less serious charge, and takes attentioon from the more relevant accusation about being too close to lobbyists in other ways."

Yes, and being close to Orangutans in other ways too. For instance, there's the illegal durian trade. Orangutans are up to their eyeballs in that. They're moving millions of contraband durians into North America, and McCain has had extensive experience in Southeast Asia which is where durians come from. I know a smoking gun when I see it.

Durians stink, and so does this whole situation.

The shocking truth about Durians!

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 08:02 PM

Honorable guy???

Yeah, he wants folks to think he's a straight shooter... Problem is that he ain't all that clean after all... His cmapaign staff is made up of lobbiests... He accepted cash and flights from the firm that hired "that woman" in exchange for putting pressure on the FCC to vote on "that's woman's" Pittsburg client... He was even rebuked by the FCC for having put the prseeure on them...

The straight talk is starting to meander...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 23 Feb 08 - 08:13 PM

Considering the current makeup of the FCC, I would think McCain considers it a personal badge of honor to be rebuked by them.

You see, that is the problem with the simpleton's view of elections. McCain is the most fascinating personality of the three presidential finalists for the corporatocracy.

I can't stand the man's politics, but he is a fascinating person, nonetheless.

Subject: RE: BS: McCain, 'I did not have sex with....
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Feb 08 - 01:34 AM

Quite a game, isn't it, the corporatocracy? The Romans would have been well impressed, I think.