BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 11:10 PM

And actually, Rig, I don't think you're a meth freak. Slobbering is much more likely.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 12:51 AM

I have not said Ron Davies posted any links- I said he was an Obamite of the Woodruff type- Emma B. had posted something that I traced to a Woodruff website, and what I saw there made me think, Gee, that sure sounds like R. D.-

You want me to say something positive about Obama- well, he has a pretty good tailor.

WSJ? The Wall Street Journal- or the Madison, Wisc. paper, The Wisconsin Journal. Well, the latter isn't bad.

The Wall Street Journal had comment about Mr. Obama today, an article by James Taranto, March 24, 2008, under "The Inkblot."

He says that the Rev. Wright had reprinted a Hamas op-ed in his church bulletin. Obama condemned the article, but a year ago, according to an article in ElectronicIntifada.com ("How Barack Obama Learned to Love Israel," 4 March 2007), by Ali Abunimah, a co-founder of the site, Obama was passing himself off as a friend of Palestine.
"Over the years since I first saw Obama speak I met him about half a dozen times, often at Palestinian and Arab-American community events in Chicago.... In 2000, when Obama unsuccessfully ran for Congress I heard him speak at a campaign fundraiser hosted by a University of Chicago professor. On that occasion and others Obama was forthright in his criticism of US policy and his call for an even-handed approach to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict."
In 2004, he responded to Abunimah's greeting, "Hey, I'm sorry I haven't said more about Palestine right now, but we are in a tough primary race. I'm hoping when things calm down I can be more up front." .... "He referred to columns I was contributing to The (sic) Chicago Tribune critical of Israel and US policy, "Keep up the good work.""
Abunimah argued that Obama, in an effort "to woo wealthy pro-Israel campaign donors," had made an "about-face.":
"He is merely doing what he thinks is necessary to get elected and he will continue doing it as long as it keeps him in power."

Taranto, in his WSJ article, says "It is possible that Obama had a sincere change of heart- that he came to see the merits of the Israeli side of the argument. It is also possible that Obama has no sincere views on the subject- that when he was traveling in radical-chic Chicago circles, he told people like Abunimah what they wanted to hear, and now that he has gone national, he has switched to telling a more mainstream Democratic constituency what it wants to hear." .........
Taranto discusses the problem of what Obama really believes , and whether to be "skeptical" about believing anything he says on the matter.

As the old Indian is supposed to have said, "Ugh, ..... man speaks with forked tongue."

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: heric
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 01:29 AM

Did I say sniper fire? Did I really?? I meant to say photographer!

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 06:11 AM

Or, if you by some chance disagree that the WSJ reporting is the best there is, please be so good as to give any evidence that the reporting has been wrong.

Purely pedantic point - for a publication not to get it's reporting wrong wouldn't in itself imply that it was the best, just that it was better in that respect than others which did get their reporting wrong. And I doubt if there has ever been any publication which never gets it wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 08:21 AM

One of the local papers here got sucked up in the Murdoch take over of the Wall Street Journal, and its editorial page has changed dramatically since the take over. And the funny thing to me is, the same people are still putting it out.
                   The do what they're told. If they didn't they wouldn't be there and they'd probably be black-listed from ever working on any other paper either.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: kendall
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 09:16 AM

Does anyone die when the Clintons lie?

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 09:24 AM

Define "die"....

...lol...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 10:22 AM

Sure a lot of 'em died when George W. Bush lied.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: GUEST,Neil D
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 11:27 AM

Hannity is paid over $5 million a year for his broadcasts, according to a couple of websites, which means he has listeners galore. Hmmm, is there room under that rock?

   Is it any wonder this country has turned into a right-wing, arrogant, over-bearing, bully that is disliked by much of the world.
People sit around listening to Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and a whole slew of neo-con spinners tell them what a great country this is and by association they are. They don't have to think about its legacy of chattel slavery, aboriginal genocide, immoral wars of conquest and class exploitation. They can go about obliviously blissful in being citizens of the greatest country of all time.
Meanwhile, they keep electing politicians who support and perpetuate a system where 2% of the population control 90% of the wealth; a government that ignores the world's dismal ecological outlook;
a president who lies through his teeth in order to commit an illegal, immoral war, thus further destabilizing an already shaky region (and ,by the way, playing right into the hands of our other sworn enemies in that region).
    Yes, Fox Noise Network pays Sean Hannity $5 million dollars and it is blood money. I couldn't do what he does for 1000 times $5 million.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 11:37 AM

Hannity was apparently the key mover in creating the Wright clips which so badly distorted the image of Mr Wright and his actual nature, turning him into a demonic America-hater, which he is not.

For this national defamation of character, Hannity (if responsible for it) should be required to makie public amends. IT should be --here's an interesting thought--a crime of some magnitude to cause false information to be widely spread to the American people. 'COurse that would put the folks at Coke, General Motors, R.J. Reynolds, and Pepsi in an awful bind, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 01:20 PM

Wright went into retirement. What he said is a matter of record. Time to forget him. A lot of these ranters and ravers in the pulpit, white as well as black.

Politicians should renounce any endorsements by religious leaders.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 05:18 PM

What he said is a matter of record.    Including the evidence that the clips making him out to be a ranting and raving nutter are gross distortions of what he was actually saying in the addresses from which they were lifted.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Riginslinger
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 09:47 PM

"Politicians should renounce any endorsements by religious leaders."


                         That would really be a step in the right direction.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 10:02 PM

Yeah, and furthermore they should renounce endorsements by anyone at all who doesn't meet the approval of some special interest group out there, I say!!!! ;-) Yeah. Keep everyone happy that way. Make sure that no one's particular raving prejudice gets irritated, right?

Bye, bye endorsements. Gone the way of the Dodo and the Wooly Mammoth.

Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's poll numbers down.
From: Amos
Date: 25 Mar 08 - 10:19 PM

Wright's bright side....


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