BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000

Subject: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 10:58 AM

The overall U.S. death toll in Iraq rose to 4,000 after four soldiers were killed in a roadside bombing in Baghdad, a grim milestone that is likely to fuel calls for the withdrawal of American forces as the war enters its sixth year. Really was it all worth it ?

Could American and Britain not have used the money they spend on this war on resources such as health and education within their own countries ?

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 11:05 AM

Previously announced in thread BS: 4000 - 4K – MMMM

John

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 11:11 AM

And a mother here in Maine is up in arms - her son received a head injury at a roadside bombing in Iraq. He was shipped home and treated but died suddenly. The cause of death has been given as unknown which seems to affect benefits.
She is getting no answers. If he commited suicide, the army isn't saying.
A disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: folk1e
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 11:57 AM

"Could American and Britain not have used the money they spend on this war on resources such as health and education within their own countries ?" ...... Guest (hmmm another guest)

Obviously we could. I assume you realy meant to ask is .... should we have?
I was in favour of the war purely to get Saddam out!

I think we have not handled this well at all and at the very least the lessons should be learned and remembered!

I am no soldier, or tactition but it is my belief that we should have created zones within Iraq and built up the infrastructure in those areas as they were "pacified". By infrastructure I mean Water Power Schools Hospitals , even places of reigeon! By doing that the people in the zone would have a positive view of the coalition and have an incentive to prevent insurgency.
By allowing the power vacuum we have allowed various groups to form, each with their own agenda but with us as a common target.

Sacking all the existing Army and Police was shear madness!

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: bankley
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 04:02 PM

saw a good film the other day called 'No End in Sight'.... it's appropriate viewing with this sad milestone..

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 06:56 PM

"...and while there really isn't war
I'm sending fifty thousand more..."

Oops. Wrong war. Sure seems not to be, though.

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: Amos
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 06:57 PM

Their faces and names.

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 08:41 PM

Yesterday an interviewee said firmly that she was against pulling the troops out- "it would mean that these five years of loss and sacrifice were all for nothing."

I wonder how she would/will feel when it is ten years of loss and sacrifice all for nothing?

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: Emma B
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 09:22 PM

From The TimesMarch 25, 2008

'Economy takes place of war in election fight'
sad but true?

'Politicians, press and public, however, all appear to have grown weary of - even jaded with - discussing the war'

'Last week's fifth anniversary of the war was marked with a collective yawn by many parts of the media, while a series of Hollywood films about Iraq have disappeared without trace at the box office.

According to a survey last month by the Pew Research Centre, only 28 per cent of Americans can identify the number of US military fatalities in Iraq. A year ago 55 per cent were tracking the figure correctly.'

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 09:31 PM

We did have "ten years of loss and sacrifice all for nothing" in the Vietnam War and there are still some nitwits around who would have gone for twenty.

The Iraq war is a war that was initiated on false pretenses. It should never have been initiated. But it was and now we all share some responsibility for figuring out how to withdraw. We don't have the option of militarily dominating Iraq for another five years. The Bush Administration which began this discretionary war should bear full responsibility for all of its adverse impacts on the Iraqi people, our status in the Middle East, and our status as an international symbol of truth and justice. All were squandered for short turn gains and long term losses.

And 4000 US soldier families bear the costs, as do more than 20,000 US wounded soldier families, and ten times as many Iraqi families. The math adds up but doesn't make any impression on the Bush-Cheney Administration.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 09:38 PM

If we'd had a "milestone" every time another 4000 people had been killed in Iraq we'd all have got sick to the back teeth of milestones a long time ago. Of course, we tend only to have milestones for deaths of people with guns, tanks and armour.

Subject: RE: BS: US death toll in Iraq hits 4,000
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 08 - 09:43 PM

It's like "Groundhog Day" all over again... No, we are hopelessly stuck in the Vietnam Syndrome with people who couldn't name the three branches of gevernemnt voting for folks that make the decisions... There is something seriously wrong with this equation...

4000???... 5000???...10,000???....50,000????...56,000???

I wouldn't matter if it was "1", that would be "1" too many...

This was the stupidest war that the US ever, bar none, got involved in... Makes the Spainish-American War look like a Friends Meeting...

Now there are people wringing their hands sayin', "If we get out now then Iran is gonna take over the world" just as there were folks asying that if we got outta Nam that the Commies would take over the world...

Let's get real here... Iran ain't gonna take over the world...

No, this isn't about anyone takin' opver the world... It's about oil...Alan Greesnpan said so, too... What, is he a Commie???

Get over it Bush, Rice and Cheney... You all talk about free market all the time... Let the sumabich be free and get out kids outta Iraq... They ain't yer pawns for yer buds at Exxon... They are our kids and and our grandkids...

B~