BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: GUEST,Bee
Date: 01 May 08 - 10:04 PM

I have voted NDP most of my voting years, although sometimes gritting my teeth while doing so. I admired Trudeau and Chretien, and I wished Joe Clark had gotten a better deal, and Robert Stanfield, too - there was a man.

And now? Harper's just spooky. He has this slightly clownish awkward aspect that disarms people - anybody that gormless (just remember that cowboy get-up) just can't be dangerous. In reality, he's the most power hungry individual I've ever seen as PM. He has an agenda which he's dictated to his own party. Nobody's allowed to get out of line, and if they do, they lose. He's clever enough to know just how much Canadians will put up with - note the fast burial of the anti-gay marriage vote, the silence on abortion laws, the care taken with MSI, even though many in his ranks are right wing enough to have hoped to dive right into the past on all those issues. He's come to the brink of outright battle with a number of premiers, and shut them all down except for Danny Williams (presently the sainted god-king of Newfoundland... "Did you hear me say 'surplus', b'ys? I know you did!)

I'd like to see Dion get a grip on his own party, wandering in the wilderness because half of them are still pouting about Michael I-left-Paradise-to-lead-you-benighted-troglodytes not winning the party leadership. I think he's probably a good man, Dion.

I don't see us losing Harper next election, but I'd be thrilled to be proved wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 May 08 - 09:12 PM

I would vote for Kermit the Frog if he ran for PM against Harper. No hesitation. I think Kermit would make a fine PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 May 08 - 08:55 PM

tune: "Drove Old Dixie Down"

Richard Nixon's the name and I've won every damn campaign,
Stonewalled congress's game and tore up the tapes again,
In the summer of '74---they were angry and demanding more,
By August 8th I had to tell
Because a tape can remember all too well!

CHORUS)
On the night that they drove ol' Dickey down,
All the people were singing,
On the night that they drove old Dickie down,
Dan Rather was bleating,
He went "Na-na-na-na-na, na-na-na-na-na,
Na-na-na-na-na-naaaa!!!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: bankley
Date: 01 May 08 - 11:09 AM

kind of like listening to Kermit the Frog with an accent...
no pun intended

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 02:59 PM

You are probably right on that one, Sandy. Dion is an extremely intelligent, astute, knowledgible.... yeah... right... no charisma.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 30 Apr 08 - 10:33 AM

I think that the Liberals better start grooming him fast because the deadwood in their ranks is keeping Harper in power.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 29 Apr 08 - 05:45 PM

Well, Canucks won't vote him in just on accounta his old man, but, if he pays his dues and he shows us he has his old mans balls and intelligence.... sky's the limit. Better than the dark knight we have now.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: bankley
Date: 29 Apr 08 - 03:40 PM

I don't know why, but Justin Trudeau is getting into the 'game'. He already has the old Mercedes convertible. Give him a few years.. Who knows ?

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 04:15 PM

Minds me of an Air Farce sketch a la "To Tell The Truth". Every time Bob spoke it was, "Ahhhh, well, ahhhh...." In the end, Jean stood up and you could hear Bob say, "Ahhh... wait a minute, ahhhh...."

Maggie.... well, when ya wanna be a serious journalist and ya get yer pic taken with yer cookie smilin at the camera, well, ahhhh...

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Beer
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 03:36 PM

Agree Little Hawk about Margaret. They even made fun of her by changing the name of the Kenny Rogers hit "Lucille' to her name.
Yes poor Joe Who. You could also add to that list Mr.Stanfield. It's has been said that he would have made a very good Prime Minister if it wasn't for his image. I think his handle was "The Undertaker".

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 03:17 PM

The amount of ridicule directed at Margaret Trudeau over the years has been a rather sad thing to witness. She was a young, insecure woman who had the bad fortune to marry a much older political celebrity, and she rode the whirlwind. The fact that she fell off the horse a couple of times has resulted, I think, in more criticism than she deserved.

Then too, the amount of ridicule directed at Joe Clark for being a basically nice man in a pool of sharks was rather sad to see too.

Politics is a cruel business.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: john f weldon
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 02:28 PM

...or, as the old joke went, Pierre put in a patio, but Margaret laid the Stones.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 01:34 PM

And, he could paddle a canoe!

Of course, since this is a music site, let us not forget that he dated Barbara Streisand.

Harper (grrrr) seems to me to have a canoe paddle up his... and, like John said, if he ever got a majority, we would be up the creek without a paddle save for Smiley paddling us, worse than he is now.

I must look to see if my Petrocan shares ever arrived. Hmmm... are there any Petrocan stations anywhere these days?

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Beer
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 12:43 PM

Hay John!!, hold o now. Don't get pissed. All I'm saying is that in the beginning there were a few moves he made that made me think, finally someone is in power that is not afraid to make decisions. Be the right or wrong ones but not afraid to a lest make one. I'm no lover of harper or any of the others.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: john f weldon
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 11:44 AM

Harper???!!!!???
Geez, Beer, don't get me started! I could rant about that phoney for days!

If he gets a majority, he'll show his true colours. Medicare will disappear, we'll be chasing after the Americans in their next goofy military adventure, and, and.... ...I'd better stop now before my blood pressure boils over!

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Beer
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 09:45 AM

There are many who disliked the late PET but I for one admired him very much. I was living on the Montreal Island when the War measure's act came into effect and felt comforted to know that there was a leader who cared. He was afraid of nothing and didn't sit on fence posts. He was brash and could be arrogant but he had a purpose in mind and followed it through. You'll all shoot me here, but I thought I saw a glimmer of this in Harper for a brief moment just after he got in power. It seems I was wrong. We sure could use someone like him again. I believe Sandy mentioned something along these lines.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 09:15 AM

The Canada Guitar:

http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2006/06/30/guitar-canada.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: 3refs
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 08:34 AM

And what a guitar it is!
Not many musical instruments can tell so many incredible stories without ever playing a note.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: JennieG
Date: 28 Apr 08 - 01:43 AM

Slight thread creep. In mid 2006 Himself and I were in B.C. for a short visit. On the eve of Canada Day we watched a fabulous documentary called "Canada Guitar" which, as non-Canadians, we found fascinating. Some of the wood used for the guitar comes from Pierre Trudeau's canoe paddles - I'm sorry, but I can't remember where it was on the finished guitar. But I remember that the various components were from people or buildings which were considered very significant to Canada's history.

Since then we have also visited more of Canada and I'd very much like to see the doco again.

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Bee
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 09:40 PM

Aw, meself - it's 'cause you "stand on the shoulders of giants". ;-D

That's a very cool lineage, john.

And yes, very few Canadians don't think of Tommy Douglas with gratitude one time or another in their lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 09:01 PM

"I met Trudeau once. He was not that tall."

That's it - I hereby forego any expectation of being taken seriously when giving, estimating, or in any wise mentioning the vertical status of any public figure, living or dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: john f weldon
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 08:27 PM

It's a strange fact, but PET and my own father were founders of Canada's NDP. Each wrote chapters of a book called "Social Purpose for Canada", which was going to be a manifesto for the "New Party" as it was then called.
Trudeau eventually jumped ship, and became a Liberal, but he took with him several ideas from the NDP. Tommy Douglas, the first leader of the NDP, brought Medicare to Saskatchewan. Trudeau, as a Liberal Prime Minister, helped to make the program Nation-wide. He attempted to take full credit, but a recent poll indicates that Canadians regard Tommy Douglas as the greatest Canadian in history.
Trudeau was a strange mix; part poseur and part substance. His views were often faddish and transient.
Still he was light-years ahead of today's crop of dimwits.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 07:59 PM

GUEST,meself
I met Trudeau once. He was not that tall.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 07:49 PM

I'd make 'em clean it all off when they're caught -- and they will be, because they'll have to tell everyone about their brave deed.

Yeah, makin' 'em clean it COMPLETELY is a good idea.

And take it from someone who once did that sort of thing as part of his job, it's not easy. Takes a lot of elbow grease and work. And while they were doing it, I'd make 'em learn about PET.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 07:31 PM

Jeesh, it hurts like hell to admit that I was wrong and someone else was right - but in this picture Chretien is substantially taller than Trudeau - and Trudea was no midget.

Or maybe he was. My judgement in these matters has proven questionable.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: bobad
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 07:31 PM

I have never seen him in person, I got the info here http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0160793/bio.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 06:37 PM

He was the only politician with the balls to take on the big oil companies. We could use him today to give those bastards a kick!

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: bobad
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 06:32 PM

"Um ... actually, gnu, he's not a very big guy - remember, he is le "p'tit" gars ..."

Chretien is 6' tall, he was given the nickname "p'tit Jean" as a young boy and it stuck.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 06:11 PM

What a stupid thing to do, as LH says. I was always intrigued by him and respected his intelligence and the way he meant what he said. He was such a contrast to Nixon and Reagan. I really wanted to move to Canada during their reigns!

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 06:00 PM

"I wouldn't want Jean to grab me like that. He is not a small guy!"

Um ... actually, gnu, he's not a very big guy - remember, he is le "p'tit" gars ...

But I suspect he has a fairly strong grip!

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Bee
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 04:58 PM

For all they both had faults, made some mistakes, and belonged to the wrong party (;-p), I think of Trudeau and Chretien (still mischievously alive) with great affection and admiration.

But I'll also bet it was young idiots who hardly know what FLQ means who did the vandalizing.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: bobad
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 04:50 PM

"Jean Chretien also grabbed some heckler by the throat. Remember that?"

Ah yes the infamous Shawinigan handshake, ya gotta love the "p'tit gars de Shawinigan."

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: bankley
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 04:13 PM

technical detail

ps... that was Jimmy Carter sitting beside Castro at PET's funeral..

Bush II was trying to get elected for the 1st time... maybe Bush1 was there, but I doubt it...

it doesn't take courage to spray paint something on stone in the shadows... love him or hate him... he didn't leave many indifferent.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Mooh
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 04:07 PM

History will be kind to PET, especially given who and what has come since. Quite a brilliant writer too.

Peace, Mooh.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 03:24 PM

About 75 MPH

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 03:20 PM

Of course, the last Mackenzie (King) PM we had used to talk to his dog and his departed mother for political advice.

I wonder, what would Giok's dog do?

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 03:15 PM

We have two new candidates for PM!

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 03:13 PM

Promises promises

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Megan L
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 03:11 PM

SHUT IT ya nyaff or ah'll vandalise you

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 03:09 PM

When did you last get your leg that high shorty?

G

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Megan L
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:57 PM

ach the taller they are the higher they lift me the mair damage ma dainty wee fit kin do when it connects :)

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:55 PM

Oh yeah. I wouldn't want Jean to grab me like that. He is not a small guy!

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:53 PM

Jean Chretien also grabbed some heckler by the throat. Remember that?

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:42 PM

Nixon.... "... that (expletive deleted) (exlpetive deleteed)... what the (explet...." Hehehe.

Remember Fuddle Duddle? And when he took that heckler aside... asked later what he had said, PET said, (sommat like) "I merely explained myself to him in a language I thought he would understand." And when he took out that twit with the camera that wouldn't get out of his way? And when he managed to get passed all that legislation concerning Canadian Sovereignty and the sharing of the country's wealth and social programs and human rights and.... ?

Sorry. I'll shut up now.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:11 PM

There are even those who randomly vandalize monuments to those they never knew. Just a couple of folks looking for attention.

It does not lessen his contributions in any way.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: bobad
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 01:52 PM

I'm surprised it survived this long without being vandalized.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 01:45 PM

I agree. A truly remarkable man.

Richard Nixon couldn't stand him. ;-) That speaks well for Trudeau.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 01:42 PM

In my opinion (of course), the greatest statesman of all. He was everything and he was far ahead of his time.

I remember watching him live when he had just invoked The War Measures Act. When asked how far he would go, he replied, "Just watch me." And, he meant it. And "The October Crisis" was quelled.

That is not to diminish any of the world's statespersons in any way... just that I think he was a truly remarkable man. Compassionate, passionate and tough as nails.

Yes, G. Very sad indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 01:40 PM

I wouldn't give it much importance. It's just young, stupid people with a lust for getting public attention, I would think. There are always such people around causing damage to this and that.

For instance, we have a large bronze statue of Samuel De Champlaigne in the civic park in Orillia. It has several times been vandalized and damaged by stupid young men with apparently nothing else they could think of to do with their time on that particular day.

There are idiots everywhere. Some of them experience the delusion that they are making a useful "political statement" when they damage public property.

Subject: RE: BS: Trudeau's crypt vandalized!
From: john f weldon
Date: 27 Apr 08 - 01:37 PM

I assume this is just a couple of drunks and not a trend.

Trudeau; you could love him or hate him, but he did have one thing that's rare in politics today: a large, highly functional brain. And he didn't try to hide it; he loved to show off his intellectual capacity as much as George Bush likes to show off his imbecility.