BS: Green/Godly Gardening

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Paul Burke
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 05:00 AM

Wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 05:32 AM

We no longer have a garden; the new place has a back yard (note to Americans, a British back yard is not a garden, rather a concrete space to the rear of the house whose function is entirely utilitarian) so some potential there for pots, containers etc. Indoors, a few house plants; my treasured Ficus elastica, a couple of Dracaena sanderiana in the bathroom, along with the Spathiphyllum wallisii we bought at Ikea in Warrington a couple of weeks back together with the Dracaena fragrans and Dracaena marginata that seem happy enough on the kitchen windowsills. Still, early days!

When we did have a garden I delighted in Nasturtiums and Sweet Peas (taking my inspiration from Mr Polly?), Hollyhocks and Snapdragons, Lavenders and Rosemarys; and planted hedges of Northumbrian hawthorn which were only just beginning to blossom when we moved out; also planted a single Rowan tree which, in the five years we lived there, grew from a two foot stick to a mighty 20 foot or more - they don't call it quickbeam for nothing! Pride of the garden was our Japanese Sakura, especially at blossom time, and the Honeysuckle we grew over the remains of the Cyprus took down when we moved in, leaving a 5 foot stump for Clematis, but only Honeysuckle took. Daffodils too, numerous varieties, and a glorious Elder, with the whole front of the house (at times) entirely obscured by Hedera helix. Our garden was certainly Green, but in no way was it Godly, rather a purposeful Gnostic Wilderness abiding by Blake's maxim that where man is not, nature is barren. As with WAVs opening post, we had rotting logs to encourage wildlife and our lawn was but a single roll of carefully manicured turf with a rather splendid cast iron sign which read KEEP OF THE GRASS (sic) bought in a pound shop in Sunderland.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 07:16 AM

PS - Also in the offing were a couple of Pyracanthas with which to interweave with the Ivy; looking pretty good too, until we decided to up sticks. Meanwhile, any advice on container gardening in a sheltered SW facing back yard most welcome; not much sun though... I notice my neighbours Hedera helix creeping over the back wall; I dare it won't find too my discouragement in this pursuit.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Mr Happy
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 09:22 AM

Even in a yard you can grow piles in containers - even veg!

Pulses can do really well, I got mangetout, runner beans all fruiting well currently

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 09:51 AM

The veg, Mr Happy, and the Hedera helix, IB, are music to my ears.
Without any martydom, Mondotim and our Lady P., this plant is no longer with us (but I still have Hedera growing from a pot, up a pole, in both my flat's south-facing kitchen and lounge)...

Poem cum song/chant 141 of 230: IN A SMALL POT

I like Acers
    But rent a flat,
So mimic one
    In a small pot:

As for starters,
    I made a plat
Of ivy run
    Out from one spot.

To this basis
    (All round the mat,
In a trunk-bun)
    Dirt - soaked a lot.

Without traces
    (Not got down pat),
A moss-lawn spun
    And short-ferns shot.

And, like Acers,
    Branches have sat -
Wirework done -
    Toward the pot.

Trimmed with scissors,
    This foliage-hat
Thrives in the sun
    Of my sill-plot.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 10:17 AM

Maybe I'm too late this year, but it's my intention to plant spuds (non-native, but highly traditional) in an old dustbin. This was the trick of old; cover your seed spuds with a suitable loamy soil and once the shoots came through, cover that too, every few inches or so, until you end up with a bin full.

Er - do you actually have a garden, WAV?

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Bee
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 10:18 AM

Years ago, an elderly friend spent some time in hospital. He was an obsessive lawn trimmer, loved and pampered his little spot of green, and really worried that the lawn would be a mess when he got home. His children one day arrived at the hospital to visit carrying a tray bearing one perfect green sod, and a small pair of scissors for him to trim it. Much laughter ensued - and he did trim and water it, meticulously, adding the sod to his yard when he got home.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 11:16 AM

My question has been answered by not being answered by the instigator of this thread, therefore I am assuming that 'eco-travel' has nothing to do with anything, as I was beginning to think.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Bee
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 11:20 AM

Insane Beard, a lot of people on/near the coast here collect eelgrass from the shore, heap it up, and plant potatos in it - they end up with nice clean, well shaped potatos. The eelgrass is used as mulch and fertilizer as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 11:24 AM

Unless the instigator of this thread has a pile of dirt in his/her spare bedroom (assuming there is a spare bedroom), then, no, he/she doesn't have a garden, he/she lives in a flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 11:39 AM

On the subject of "professionals" being concerned with people's state of mind... any real mental health professional ought to know that it's extremely unprofessional and unethical to make mental health assessments without permission from the one being assessed, and doing it publicly, no less (!!!). People who do stuff like that ought to have their professional licenses revoked. I can't think of a more egregious form of abuse than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 11:49 AM

I don't agree with the assertion that this person doesn't respond to the points made by others, or discuss the issues with those who respond to their posts. I see someone who sometimes disagrees with what others post, and who sometimes accepts the points made by others, and who even sometimes accepts criticism and indicates an intent to try to do better. But I don't understand the idea that people expect this one individual to capitulate to every point they make, and that they are entitled to treat this person however they like if the person doesn't. I see this sort of expectation as more of an indication of a problem than anything the person being attacked has done or is doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:03 PM

*sigh* Having back-tracked through past threads created by the instigator of this thread, I find that I am not the first person to posed the question, "what does eco travel have to do with the subject?" I also find that the response was exactly the same, no response at all, no answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:06 PM

Eco Tourism (eco travel)

Seems like a very good idea to me. In the context of this thread, it looks to me like it's a part of an overall philosophy of trying to minimize one's harmful impact on the earth. I completely agree with it as an approach to living on the earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:14 PM

In the context of this thread yes, in the context of the other threads it has no bearing at all. You have responded, not the instigator of this thread

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:17 PM

So what? Nobody is obligated to respond to anything anyone else says here. There isn't a rule about that in the Mudcat. There is, however, a rule about personal attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:19 PM

In the context of other threads, btw, it's still applicable, if what is being discussed is appreciation of other cultures.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 12:48 PM

Yes - "eco-tourism" is the more common term, thanks CC; and I'd much rather that, along with fair-trade, between nations than yet more conquest/imperialism and economic-immigration. (And, as I've also said, I think the Victorian plant-hunters were brave but misled folk.)
To IB and LBK, I (a "he", LBK) don't have a garden - but, although I've never owned a property, I've had access to garden space in both Sydney and Manchester...

Poem 112 of 230: FROM AN ECCLES FLAT - SPRING 2000

The bedroom window's southerly views
    Contained allotters paying their dues -
All kinds of veg. brought to fruition,
    And youngsters receiving tuition;
Starlings and sparrows I'd often see -
    On a roof or a nearby tree;
And, in a distant poplar perched high,
    The large twiggy nest of a magpie;
In spring, daisies would yellow the floor -
    Matched by Forsythias, grown next door;
Behind terraces, a moony crest -
    The Dome of the new Trafford complex;
And the moon itself, in the right spot,
    Would light the night's clouds up quite a lot.

The kitchen window's northerly views
    Included an agent selling news;
A butcher struggling with position -
    Much sunlight aimed at his nutrition;
And a popular English chippie -
    Mashed peas and red sauce on top, for me;
White gulls dotting a sombre grey sky,
    Plus light- and large-aircraft flying by;
Walkers and traffic would make a roar -
    At peak travel hours all the more;
Handsomely-set skies toward the west
    As the day's sun took its nightly rest;
And a bucket-pond and ivy plot,
    That, on a shoestring, I loved a lot.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

P.S: as for spuds, to chit or not to chit..?

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: mandotim
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:17 PM

CarolC; I said I was qualified, I didn't say anything about whether I was still in practice. Had I still been governed by the rules of the profession I left some years ago, I would have agreed with you. Perhaps you should read my posts more carefully; I have tried repeatedly to engage in meaningful discussion with WAV about his views, without success; indeed, I was accused of 'being in a terrible mood'. I have expressed my distaste for his more extreme views, but the only personal comment I have made is to express concern about his state of mind, and to suggest a way of responding which, imho, will help WAV.
Regarding WAV's willingness to engage; ask him for his views on repatriating non-native people, or cultural segregation, and see how far you get.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:27 PM

There you have someone else who has engaement problems with the instigator of this and other threads. Indeed, I'm wondering exactly what the said instigator means by English culture?

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:31 PM

I don't think one can say he or she is qualified to practice if he or she hasn't got a license to practice. In fact, I think it can be said that one is definitely not qualified to practice if he or she doesn't have a license to practice.

The terrible mood comment came after the profoundly abusive amateur mental health assessment that was inflicted on the one being attacked. I would characterize that response as being about as mild and gracious as a person could possibly give after such abuse.

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions, and it is incredibly arrogant for anyone to think they are entitled to abuse others for having opinions they don't like.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: s&r
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:37 PM

"Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions, and it is incredibly arrogant for anyone to think they are entitled to abuse others for having opinions they don't like.!"

Er...Yes

Stu

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:39 PM

Please leave off the personal attacks BatK.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:44 PM

Mandotim,

I'll make no comment on your qualifications in psychology other than to point out that calling someone a NAZI and lecturing about them rather than addressing them directly is highly unlikely to result in "meaningful discussion". I would expect that even a retired mental health professional would know that.

Perhaps you should turn your talents to a more pressing manner. What is causing all of you enlightened, educated, intelligent people to continue to attack this man once he fails to take your advice. Do you all believe that abuse will work where reason does not?

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:44 PM

A wonderfulway to silence criticism isn't it? Well never mind, I do have another arena inwhich to continue my questioning

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: mandotim
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:45 PM

Carol; calling someone who practised for many years an 'amateur' is a little abusive, don't you think? I notice you haven't answered my point about the futility of trying to engage with WAV about his more extreme views. Is non-engagement contagious?
By the way; I'm in the UK, and the rules about 'qualified' and 'licensed' are very different in our less litigious society. However, perhaps you can point to the part where I said I was not licensed? I merely said that I no longer practice. On second thoughts, don't bother. You have clearly made up your mind about WAV, and so have I.
Tim

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:54 PM

If one is not licensed to practice professionally, then any time one practices, one does it as an amateur. So, no, I don't see it as abusive to say so. There was a comment made about no longer being governed by the rules of the profession. If that's not an admission that one is no longer licensed, I'd like to know what it does mean. The rules of the profession exist to protect people from charlatans and hacks, and people who think it's ok to make mental health assessments without permission, in public, and without adequate information.

I don't see why anyone thinks anyone else is obligated to be willing to be "engaged with" for any reason whatever. I think there definitely are mental health terms that apply to people with those kinds of expectations.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:58 PM

Oh, go ahead with the personal attacks. Seems it's what most folks here want.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 03:59 PM

I agree whole-heartedly with mandotim, and yes, he said he was no longer practicing, which is, indeed a massive difference to not being licenced. I see nothing wrong with wanting an answer to a question, and it has nothing to do with 'mental health issues'

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 04:03 PM

Asking questions is a far cry from personal attacks, the instigators life, interests me not at all , it's his/her beliefs and tenets that are somewhat dubious, as his/her other threads have perfectly illustrated, and as other posters have also pointed out. So you see I am not alone.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 11 Jul 08 - 11:20 PM

There's a huge difference between asking a question, and making a mental health assessment - in public, without permission, without adequate information, and without the required licensing. One is normal conversation, and the other is a personal attack and also highly unprofessional and unethical. Especially if the one making the mental health assessment is telling others how to behave towards the person he or she has "assessed".

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Janie
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 12:16 AM

I'm in the process of moving from my sunny yard to a heavily shaded lot, filled with oak trees. The real estate promo on the place touted it as "park like," meaning the lawn has been carefully raked year after year to keep the moisture-retaining mulch and humus of fallen leaves from killing the shade-tolerant grass which is the only other thing growing under the trees. Three cedar picnic tables, a couple of grill pits, and a garbage can secured to a post with a chain, and it would like like a rest stop on the interstate. The trees certainly do suck up the little available moisture. I'll take a year or so to observe, get a sense of the place, and observe the light before I do any significant gardening or landscaping, but this fall, the leaves are staying on the property. If I can let humus happen for a year or so,helped with some compost and mulch, I can see it being a lovely shade garden, dominated by native species.

I'm imagining both of the cohoshes, native hydrangea, rhodys, native azalea, solomon seal, galax, foam flowers, mayapple, native geraniums, wood asters, wood anemones, toothworts, marsh marigolds, spring beauties, trillium, trout lilies, bloodroot, boneset, aruncus, goldenseal, maybe some false foxgloves (gotta research that one, I think they grow in symbiosis with oak, but don't remember, and also haven't keyed out the oaks,) hearts-aburstin', native vibernums. Plus some non-natives like hellebore, japanese anemone, pulmonaria. I'm even wondering if I could get a little ginseng to grow.   May as well dream big while I wait to see what develops as the habitat is allowed to develop and evolve.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Janie
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 12:56 AM

Mertensia! I'd think I had died and gone to heaven if I could grow mertensia.

Probably too hot and too dry - but a girl can hope....

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 05:27 AM

To Mandotim - okay, you were not just "in a terrible mood"; you are, rather, someone who disagrees with my views and is prepared to use dirty and ridiculous tactics in opposition - e.g., putting words in my mouth, and calling me a martyr before telling us all that you're never coming back to post here! There's what we want, and there's the tactics we are prepared to use - I think I compete reasonably fairly and peacefully for what I see as the best ways forward for humanity.
To Janie: observing the aspects/light, and the rest of what you said, sounds good to me, and I hope it goes well. I know enough of gardening here and in Australia to know that growing an impressive native garden can be a real challenge in both countries - but it's a good challenge that I hope more-and-more folk take up.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 06:55 AM

I... don't have a garden

So how does this in any way qualify you to throw the rule book to those who do have a garden, but might wish to do things their own way, i.e. according their own feelings and opinions on such things born from many years of hands-on experience in the loving nurture of their precious soil, native species or not? Just take a look around you, see what people have done, from the most humble of window boxes or hanging baskets to the quarry gardens of Belsay Hall, or the walled garden of Wallington. Would you say these people are wrong in doing so? Perhaps you would, but only because your parameters of possibility, in this as in other things, are so narrow as to be inverted.

Otherwise, there exists, I believe, software for a virtual garden that may be suitably tailored for the native species you seem to have so little experience of. You really should get out more, WAV - see something of the world; mabe get yourself out with the BTCV for some real hands-on conservation camaraderie! I'd say you can't understand hawthorn until you've laid a mile of anciently neglected hedge in the driving sleet and snow. And if you really do hate those non-native ornamentals that have so ran riot in the British countryside, then a week of rhododendron bashing will do your soul the power of good.

Is the Chopwell Forest Festival on this year? That's always a merry lark, with lots of music & storytelling & woodland crafts & other such arboreal goings on - check it out.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 11:11 AM

At some times in my life I've had a garden and then later on I didn't. I didn't forget everything I knew from the times I did have a garden during the times I didn't.


I'm experimenting with various uses of amaranth (a plant native to the Americas) as a source of protein. If I can find enough ways to incorporate it into my diet, I might try to grow enough of it to be my main source of protein. I feel that would be a good way to decrease my environmental footprint.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 04:22 PM

Thanks for saying that for me, CarolC - IB, perhaps in his desperation to be better than the re-pat., either didn't read or chose to ignore that I have gardened in the past; I've also read and watched quite a lot of gardening material. And, as for "You really should get out more, WAV - see something of the world", IB - how about say 40 countries, on a shoestring, plus the Rothbury Traditional Music Festival, today? Nothing wrong with being competitive, but that's stupidly over-competitive language, frankly.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Lord Batman's Kitchener
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 04:41 PM

Been in 40 countries eh? And?

There's a really big difference in doing that and "getting out more", the latter requires actually absorbing and understanding what you see hear, feel, experience. Insane Beard is right, some experience in conservation is a wonderful experience, and before you say it, I don't JUST mean your so-called "native" plants (whatever that means.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 12 Jul 08 - 05:37 PM

Yes, LBK, there is, indeed, more to conserve than just native plants.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 06:53 AM

but that's stupidly over-competitive language, frankly

Sorry, dear boy - didn't mean to sound competitive, or in the least bit better than you, just offering some timely advice based on my own experiences in such matters, paltry as they may be! After all, I haven't been out hedge-laying with the BTCV for some 25 years now, but would still heartily recommend it as a way of connecting with nature at its most fundamental & un-Godly, tangled in such lovingly violent dialogue with a hedge whilst wielding a vicious bill-hook, and all this talk of layers and pleachers which still reverberate in my fevered dreaming.

I haven't been at the Rothbury Festival for a while either, not since 1991 when I was placed third in a Traditional Unaccompanied Song competition with my rendering of Poor Old Horse (the Owld Grye Song) having been coerced into taking part by my friend Liz, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered, not being one for competing, though I always love to hear the higher calibre of traditional singers often found in such a context. I still have my trophy though, proudly, if somewhat ironically, displayed on the bathroom shelf.

Bringing these two elements together, if I may... Last year I ran into the redoubtable Burt Hunter at the Chopwell Forest Festival, managing his Traditional English Hedge, and in conversation it emerged that he not only remembered me entering the Rothbury competition in 1991, but also remembered what song I sang! Needless to say I accepted this as something of a blessing as, to me, Burt Hunter is the heart and soul of all things traditional, from Morris Dancing to Woodland Management and all points between and beyond. My wife still tells the tale of being pulled up to dance by Burt at a ceilidh in Town Hall in Durham during the Durham Folk Party during her student days and experiencing a giddying high akin, no doubt, to that felt by the whirling dervishes.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 07:24 AM

Enjoyed reading most of that, IB (B for beard NOT boy), as I enjoyed my yesterday at Rothbury - see The Weekly Walkabout, if you wish.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 09:27 AM

Have you ever been in any of those 40 countries, discounting Australia and the UK, for more than a month?

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 12:18 PM

You've already asked, and I've already answered, that on another thread...remember now, V.?...if not, please go browsabout with your mouse.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: GUEST,Volgadon
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 12:44 PM

The answer, then, is no?
Not quite as impressive, it's kind of like seeing the British Museum in a day.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 01:15 PM

I was in India, where I used a 1 month pre-booked rail pass, for more than a month...

Poem 21 of 230: BOMBAY PORTER

Awaiting a train in Bombay,
    I was shocked into dismay;
For a well-dressed man, built strongly,
    Was walking, his hands set free,
Ahead of a bony porter -
    Heavy case on head, no quarter.

Shortly later, I watched again
    As out from the rich-man's train
Came the scrawny struggling porter -
    His thin back now much tauter;
For he writhed as he stretched his loins -
    After a quick count of few coins.


Poem 22 of 230: HIGH HOUSEBOAT

When in India,
    I headed north
For the Himalaya.

Up, by train then bus,
    To Kashmir -
It was much cooler, thus.

Stayed there on Dahl Lake,
    By Srinagar -
For my tight-budget's sake.

'Twas a houseboat room:
    Run down, low cost -
But there I felt no gloom.

A solo mother -
    She had four kids -
Was the floor-manager.

At dawn, her daughter -
    The eldest one -
Brought me food and water.

I washed with bucket,
    Ate scrambled eggs -
As good as one could get.

From Dahl Lake's shoreline
    To the houseboats,
Canoe trips run just fine.

Day-tripped to Gulmarg,
    And played a round -
As always, kept the card.

It is the highest
    Green-kept golf-course,
And sure is quite a test!

Played another course,
    At Srinagar -
And it, too, I endorse.

For "with-dependants,"
    I should, though, add -
War, sadly, still rants.

From walkaboutsverse.741.com

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 01:53 PM

It's impressive to me. I've only been inside of 2 countries in my entire life. Of course, each of them is equal to several smaller countries in terms of size.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 02:42 PM

Are they the U.S.A. and Canada, Carol?...just watching a grasscourt tennis tournament from Newport, Rhode Island, live via satellite.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 02:56 PM

The USA and Canada.

I was born in Rhode Island and lived there until I was about 9 1/2 years old. It was the best place I ever lived. We lived a couple of hundred feet from the bay with a lot of wildness around us. Where we are now is the second best... we're about 10 miles from the ocean now, almost in the center of our city, and surrounded by a lot of wildness (two meandering creeks and a big cemetary). We have alligators and bears in the creeks and woods surrounding our neighborhood.

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 06:10 PM

So do the bears shit in the creek too.........or just the woods?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Green/Godly Gardening
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 08 - 06:47 PM

Possibly. And the gators might shit in the woods. After they eat the neighborhood dogs.