BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:55 PM

"Sawz, the price of gas will be so low you will even be able to afford it on your burger flipping and valet-parking salaries. But you won't need to"

Nice cut there Amos. I haven't seen this much debating talent since elementary school. Have you stumbled on an important advance in philosophy?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 07:41 PM

"Stop trying to prove that you're and idiot."



                         Why stop now?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 06:27 PM

By the time the Dems are done, Sawz, the price of gas will be so low you will even be able to afford it on your burger flipping and valet-parking salaries. But you won't need to.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sazaw
Date: 28 Aug 08 - 05:30 PM

God knows the Democrats in power in Congress have done everything they can do to lower the price of gas.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Barry Finn
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 03:35 AM

Typical Republican play, up the price of gas, with no belivable explanation, till it makes the American public sick then make like the Bushes are burning with a fuel price drop just as the election turns the corner. They can't drill their way out of this fabricated (see the profits) crisis but they sure can find a pipeline to the November elections. What bastards, they've play these same cards from the same deck before. Remember last elections when the same exact price play was delt from the bottom of the deck?

Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 27 Aug 08 - 12:04 AM

I sincerely doubt whether gas prices can swing a significant number of songle-issue voters even when falsely presented.

Why did prices go so high in the first place that it was such a relief to have them come down a bit? Do you remember cursing at $2.50??? I do.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: pdq
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 10:06 PM

Nationally, US gasoline dropped 15¢ per gallon in the last two weeks. Predicted to fall 5-10¢ more next week due to low demand, high inventory and good news in general. Gas at $2.99 on Nov. 4th will mean a landslide victory for Republicans. Dems must now hope for real bad news elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 26 Aug 08 - 09:38 PM

Need new Glasses Mama? It is all here in print but I have to keep relating the facts to you over and over.

Demand had been dropping since the beginning of the year but the price of crude kept rising up until the time that Bush ended the Federal ban on offshore drilling.

I filled up for $3.39 today. Thanks George.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 11:19 PM

Stop trying to prove that you're and idiot.

One speech, a speech announcing something that Bush had been promising for eight years, didn't cause the price to drop steadily for a week. That is absurd. As I said before, demand was dropping at that time, in fact there were several other factors that could have caused the drop. Contributing the drop to Bush's words is just dumb.

Don't try to peddle your faith based economics to me. I'm not going to buy it.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 25 Aug 08 - 10:35 PM

"Do you think that some traders wait a week to read the news? "

That is apparently what you are implyng if you think Obama's "crackdown" on oil traders caused the price of crude to drop while Bush removed the Federal Ban on offshore drilling.

In case you missed it Mama, the price began falling at the time Bush spoke and continued falling to $128 in 1 weeks time.

Crude-oil futures for August delivery plunged $9.26, or 6.3 percent, almost immediately as Bush was speaking,

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:24 PM

Senator McCain will certainly support the Obama/Biden tax reform of 2009, I agree--but not as President. I like your numbers, though.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:22 PM

On Saturday I heard the price was over 120 bbl on bad news put of Georgia.

Thank goodness the pander bear McCain will not be president. Because dropping the federal gas tax would be nothing more than a give away to the oil companies.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: pdq
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 12:06 PM

I am not sure where the oil price mentioned comes from, but the current one (Friday, Aug. 22) is $114.59. That is down over $30 from the high which was just before the 4th of July. It would be nice to see it drop another $15 in value plus have about a 15% increase in the US dollar's exchange rate. We will never see $2 US gasoline again, but it shoud go slightly below the $3 level, perhaps $2.90 and stay. President McCain will have a federal tax reduction during the peak demand period of summer. That should help keep prices more stabile on a year-round basis. Our $2.90 will still look cheap compared to European prices of $8-10 (that is in US gallons/US dollars). I paid $3.94.9 on friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 11:50 AM

"Have you seen Obama's energy speech!"


                      It lacked energy!

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Aug 08 - 04:50 AM

If it has Bush's speech only the effect would have been immediate. Do you think that some traders wait a week to read the news? The fact is that there were a whole range of possible causes to the drop in price. Not the least of which was declining demand for oil.

That was the case I had made. In plain English.
By mentioning other causes you made my case.

You really ought to either learn the basics of logical thinking or keep your half baked thoughts to your self.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 10:52 PM

What case Mama?

After 'Bama gave his speech that devastated the oil traders, oil climbed from $135 a barrel to $146 per barrel at the time that Bush announced the lifting of the federal ban where upon it dropped to $128 in 1 week.

If Obma's speech did anything, it raised the price of crude oil.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Hawkwind
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 09:30 AM

Get a grip of yourself Amos and cut the racist comment shit. Christ can you not offer anything else only PC ?

Listen. Neither a woman or a black man will run America. Wise up.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Aug 08 - 09:22 AM

"2. Cut the FICA payments down for wage earners,..."

             Obama really makes me nervous, but one of the really good ideas I think he has to to raise the limit on who pays FICA. I think that would do more good than cutting the rate paid by middle class workers.



   "6. Streamline the process for the legalization of Mexican..."

             And that's the major reason Obama makes me nervous. If you want to create work for Americans, why would you bring in more people to compete for American jobs.


                  I agree with your other points, though...

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 07:08 PM

Obama could create jobs if: 1. He did what Roosevelt did, put poor people to work for the government on "green" and infrastructure jobs, 2. Cut the FICA payments down for wage earners,3. Get behind the unions because when union membership increases, wages go up and corporations do NOT suffer, 4. Restore Americorps which is our best ambassador
to the world, 5. Observe "cafe standards" in the auto industry, 6. Raise tariffs on foreign
goods to protect American jobs, 6. Streamline the process for the legalization of Mexican workers who work harder than most Americans, 7. Create tax incentives for those who seek job retraining in educational institutions, 8. Get government regulation over those corporations that exploit working people in the US, 9. Insist that the dividend collectors
who sit around on their butts pay their fair share of taxes, and 10. Restore the role of
the working man as America's true hero, not some military general or phony war hero.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 10:14 AM

Well, the speech WAS wonderful, yes. And your jaded (and bigoted) remarks are simply untrue . The lady WAS in the running and the "colored guy", as you so gracously put it, is very much in the running.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Hawkwind
Date: 22 Aug 08 - 02:55 AM

Wow the speech was wonderful, really looks like this guy will be the next president of America. Yes the nation will come together and vote a coloured guy into high office and run America.

Ah, sorry. Neither a coloured guy or a lady were ever in the running for that job.

Why is Hilary Clinton adopting the old Richard Nixon stunt of pointing into the crowd and waving as if it's someone she knew ?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Alice
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 10:14 AM

T. Boone Pickens was on the Glenn Beck show a couple nights ago, and he got irritated with Beck's sarcastic manner. Beck tends to interrupt people with goofy sarcastic comments. Pickens didn't stand for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: MaineDog
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 08:15 AM

I wonder if either Mr. McCain or Mr. Obama has studied physics and can explain the relationship between one kilowatt-hour and one horsepower, or knows anything at all about the laws of thermodynamics.
MD

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:58 AM

Thank's, Mr. cause and effect, you made my case.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:06 AM

June 22 2008

WASHINGTON — Sen. Barack Obama on Sunday said as president he would strengthen government oversight of energy traders he blames in large part for the skyrocketing price of oil.

The Democratic candidate's campaign singled out the so-called "Enron loophole" for allowing speculators to run up the cost of fuel by operating outside federal regulation. Oil closed near $135 a barrel on Friday — almost double the price a year ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Sawzaw
Date: 21 Aug 08 - 02:00 AM

At the same time Bush made that announcement. Democratic leaders announced plans to crack down on speculators. Obama talked about releasing oil from the Petroleum reserve.
But somehow Mr. Cause and Effect here is sure its all about Bush finally doing something he was promising to do for seven years."

July 14, 2008
    Bush "has decided to lift the executive ban on oil exploration in America's Outer Continental Shelf," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told a news briefing. She said Bush would explain the move in a Rose Garden statement at 1:30 p.m..

July 15th
at a news conference, Bush repeated his new position, and slammed the Democratic Congress for not removing the congressional moratorium on the Outer Continental Shelf and elsewhere. Crude-oil futures for August delivery plunged $9.26, or 6.3 percent, almost immediately as Bush was speaking,

July 16, 2008
Oil tumbles again; prices fall over $10 in 2 days Oil prices have settled sharply lower for the second straight day, capping a dizzying drop that has left crude more than $10 cheaper in just two days of frenzied trading. The drop follows a $6.44 sell-off Tuesday, meaning prices have plummeted over $10 since Monday.

22 Jul 2008 ... WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Legislation meant to crack down on oil speculators passed a key test vote in the Senate on Tuesday. ...

August 5 2008
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has called for the US to dip into its strategic oil reserves to lower fuel prices in the short-term. Senator Obama's call, a reversal of his earlier stance, came as he unveiled an energy plan designed, he said, to reduce US dependence on foreign oil.

---

"Democratic leaders announced plans to crack down on speculators."

Monday, July 14, 2008

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, back from the Fourth of July break last week, delivered a typical harangue on Republican obstructionism and Democratic virtue that included a promise: By week's end, he would show Republicans his proposal to deal with "this speculation thing" that he calls the root cause of $4-a-gallon gasoline. It would attempt "to end speculation on the oil markets."

By Friday, Republicans had seen nothing of Reid's plan because of internal Democratic disagreement on details.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:46 AM

That occurred to me too, Jack. I'm going to have to get in touch with Larry the Cable Guy and figure a way out of this.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:47 PM

A word to the wise (guy)

Using ebonics to mock Obama could get you in trouble in a lot of places.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:37 PM

I had a god-father once, when I was knee-high to a grasshopper, whose sense of humour was extraoridnarily vivid and funny. When I tried to tell jokes, being small and unfamiliar with the art, he gave me some sound advice, which, with all due respect and esteem, I pass on to you, Rig:

"Keep on pluggin', son."



A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: pdq
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:58 PM

God says:

Humm. I'm Thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:37 PM

Jack - That was Ebonics... Oh, no I didn't say that did I? If there was a god I ask forgiveness, but...

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack The Sailor
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 07:55 PM

Subject: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Aug 08 - 05:22 PM
____________________


Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 05:42 PM

"Have you seen Obama's energy speech!"


                      I was going to wait until Obama developed some enegy, then I was going to watch it.

______________________

It took 15 days to come up with a joke that lame and you couldn't even spell "energy" when the word was on the page more than 295 times.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 07:48 PM

You mean it had humor once, but now it doesn't?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 05:47 PM

That;s so off the mark it lacks any connection with the real world and therefore has no humor left in it.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 05:42 PM

"Have you seen Obama's energy speech!"


                      I was going to wait until Obama developed some enegy, then I was going to watch it.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 02:34 PM

If he was single malt scotch would he be Glenlivid?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 11:27 AM

ISn't he a brand of beer?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 08:21 AM

Glen Beck?

I don't listen to him much. He seems to complain a lot. Like Limbaugh with better hair?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Aug 08 - 12:18 AM

What about Glenn Beck?

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:45 PM

Just looking at the numbers tells us nothing.

A related point to Amos' is Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly cover Obama way more than McCain and on any given day 80-90% of their coverage is negative.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Amos
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:32 PM

..so the major networks elevate to deity the grossest twisters they can find--Hannity, LImbaugh, Coulter, and their ilk.

COmparable coverage, indeed.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:32 PM

Obama is getting more coverage because he is making more news Bruce. That is the point I made to Mrs. Howell. But there are plenty of outfits like CNN and NBC which try to balance the coverage. So McCain is getting a free platform without making any effort. How else do you explain the coverage of the German restaurant?

Also you failed to point out that Obama is getting 60-70% negative coverage while McCain id getting 50-55% negative coverage.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:23 PM

Jack: "Mr. Hamilton is right you are wrong."

""Bill Hamilton, assistant managing editor for politics, thinks that I'm wrong to put weight on numbers."

"The Project for Excellence in Journalism has been monitoring campaign coverage at an assortment of large and medium-circulation newspapers, broadcast evening and morning news shows, five news Web sites, three major cable news networks, and public radio and other radio outlets. Its latest report, for the week of Aug. 4-10, shows that for the eighth time in nine weeks, Obama received significantly more coverage than McCain."

Howell: "Numbers aren't everything in political coverage, but readers deserve comparable coverage of the candidates. "

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:18 PM

>>>Bill Hamilton, assistant managing editor for politics, thinks that I'm wrong to put weight on numbers.

Bruce at least, read the damn cut and pastes yourself. For most of them that will make one person.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:18 PM

All the invesment market growth in the next 20 years is expected to come from Asia and not the USA,

so practice your ping pong indeed.

My kids are learning to speak Chinese.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:17 PM

"Democrat Barack Obama has had about a 3 to 1 advantage over Republican John McCain in Post Page 1 stories since Obama became his party's presumptive nominee June 4. Obama has generated a lot of news by being the first African American nominee, and he is less well known than McCain -- and therefore there's more to report on. But the disparity is so wide that it doesn't look good.

In overall political stories from June 4 to Friday, Obama dominated by 142 to 96. Obama has been featured in 35 stories on Page 1; McCain has been featured in 13, with three Page 1 references with photos to stories on inside pages. Fifteen stories featured both candidates and were about polls or issues such as terrorism, Social Security and the candidates' agreement on what should be done in Afghanistan.

This dovetails with Obama's dominance in photos, which I pointed out two weeks ago. At that time, it was 122 for Obama and 78 for McCain. Two weeks later, it's 143 to 100, almost the same gap, because editors have run almost the same number of photos -- 21 of Obama and 22 of McCain -- since they realized the disparity. McCain is almost even with Obama in Page 1 photos -- 10 to 9.

This is not just a Post phenomenon. The Project for Excellence in Journalism has been monitoring campaign coverage at an assortment of large and medium-circulation newspapers, broadcast evening and morning news shows, five news Web sites, three major cable news networks, and public radio and other radio outlets. Its latest report, for the week of Aug. 4-10, shows that for the eighth time in nine weeks, Obama received significantly more coverage than McCain. "

.......
"Bill Hamilton, assistant managing editor for politics, thinks that I'm wrong to put weight on numbers. "We make our own decisions about what we consider newsworthy. We are not garment workers measuring our product every day to fulfill somebody's quota. That means as editors we decide what we think is important, because that's what our readers look for us to do -- not to adhere to some arbitrary standard.

"The nomination of the first African American presidential nominee after a bitter primary campaign and his efforts to unite a party afterward were simply more newsworthy than a candidate whose nomination was already assured and who spent much of that time raising money. In the end, we can and should be judged on the fairness of our coverage, but that is a judgment that must be made over the course of the whole campaign, not a single period of time."

Numbers aren't everything in political coverage, but readers deserve comparable coverage of the candidates. "

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 01:13 PM

Bruce, obviously you did not read the column. Hamilton said it wasn't about the numbers and I agreed with him. The column "gives lie" to nothing I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: beardedbruce
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 12:49 PM

I hope you read the whole article- which gives hard numbers for coverage that put the lie to your comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 12:47 PM

>>>Lifting of the federal restrictions alone has lowered the price of gasoline.

Funny, I just heard the President of GE strongly imply that the the drop in oil prices was due to the downturn in the world economy and thus on less speculation. Last week I read the same thing on The Economist" Web Site and on Reuters.com.

At the same time Bush made that announcement. Democratic leaders announced plans to crack down on speculators. Obama talked about releasing oil from the Petroleum reserve.
But somehow Mr. Cause and Effect here is sure its all about Bush finally doing something he was promising to do for seven years.

Momma says that Commodities trader for oil might not be the best career path for you Forrest. Better practice your ping pong.

Subject: RE: BS: Have you seen Obama's energy speech!
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Aug 08 - 12:39 PM

Thanks for the link Bruce. I just sent this email to Mrs. Howell.

Deborah Howell.

Mr. Hamilton is right you are wrong. But your opinion seems to me the more popular one. When Obama was in Europe several MSNBC shows that I saw gave McCain equal coverage. Obama with Petraus in a helicopter/McCain with Pappy Bush in a golf cart; Obama in front of the bomb and missile casings in Israel/McCain in the food aisle;Obama speaking to 200,000 Germans/ McCain and Lindsey Graham speaking to two or three people in front of a German Restaurant.

Mr McCain was being rewarded for making no effort. Its like the social promotion in the public schools. Mr. McCain is lucky the "liberal media" does not hold him to the standards to which he would hold a schoolchild.