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Subject: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: 3refs Date: 19 Aug 08 - 03:52 PM a Canadian? Kind of looks that way! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: pdq Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:00 PM So was Bing Crosby. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Bill D Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:03 PM not while he was president |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:06 PM No one is certain where he was born, and it it doesn't matter since his parents were both American. The term "natural born" is a bit vague, but it did not stop people like Barry Goldwater (born in Arizona when it was a terrirtory) or George Romney (born in Mexico) from being legitmate candidates for president. People born to U.S. citizens are recognized as citizens and are eligable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: 3refs Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:12 PM Bing Crosby? Tacoma, Wash. But he visited Orillia once or twice! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: 3refs Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:16 PM WFDU You forgot(or maybe you didn't)Pres Candidate McCain...Panama Canal Zone |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: 3refs Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:32 PM and Robert Goulet was not Canadian. I always thought it was kind of funny that Goulet played a role in that Naked Gun movie with Priscilla Presley when Elvis hated him so much! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:33 PM No, I did not forget him - I just did not bother mentioning him since his story is well known. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Ebbie Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:36 PM I don't find any controversy as to in which country Arthur was born. The only doubt that I find was the slight - very slight - confusion as to which house in Fairfield, Vermont he was born in, since the house where he lived from the time he was an infant was the manse, the second home in which he lived. Allegedly, the house in which he was born was a two-room with loft cabin before the manse was completed. Could you link to something, 3refs? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: 3refs Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:39 PM Not so well known to some above the 49th. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:40 PM Arthur's parents apparently moved to Quebec - and the question is whether it was before or after Arthur was born. You can do a search on Arthur to find more, it is a fairly well known story. His opponents tried to use it against him in the election, but they could not prove anything and ultimately it did not matter since his parents were proper citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: 3refs Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:46 PM http://www.genealogue.com/2005/06/our-canadian-president.html Hope this works. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: 3refs Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:51 PM I found many sights that lend credence to this theory. And we all know about theories. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Ebbie Date: 19 Aug 08 - 04:58 PM OK, I've read it now. Sounds like politics as usual. I wonder why we keep being surprised at the shenangigans of today. There is probably no way to establish the truth of it at this late stage but during the brouhouha's heyday it shouldn't have been that difficult. On the other hand it has been decisively established that, as said above, the offspring of two American citizens is a natural born American. (Wonder what would be said if two Mexicans came here in their 40s, waited the required five years, acquired citizenship - and had one more child when they were 50ish, and the child grew up and pursued the Presidency?) (I know. I know. Rig would blow a gasket. *g*) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: pdq Date: 19 Aug 08 - 05:00 PM Well, I talked to an old fart years back when I was visiting Idaho. He said that Bing was born in the famliy's vacation cabin right near the Canada border. Years later, when an official USGS surrvey was made, the cabin proved to be 200 feet on the Canuck side. Of course, these folks saw to it, a few days later, that the cabin was relocated safely on the US side. The parents got a certificate when he was baptised in May of 1903, but Bing was born in 1901. " ...those of us born in the mid- to late-20th century are spoiled when it comes to birthdates. We have things called birth certificates to tell us when to celebrate our birthdays. However, the state of Washington did not begin registering births until 1907, and other states even later. You had to rely on your family to tell you when your birthdate was, and sometimes, they couldn't remember. Before you get all huffy about this, consider that families tended to be big in those days, and Moms and Dads sometimes had trouble keeping their kids' names straight, much less their birthdays. Biographer Gary Giddins, in his book, "Bing Crosby: A Pocketful of Dreams, The Early Years, 1903-1940," explains how Bing's conflicting birthdates came about. Early in Bing's career, his brother Everett, acting as his manager, succumbed to common show-biz practice and made his client appear younger by choosing the date, May 2, 1904. All official accounts used that date throughout his career, and it even says "1904" on his tombstone. Complicating the matter further is that his older brothers were actually convinced that he was born on May 2, 1901. Everett apparently thought he was cleverly shaving three years off of Bing's age, instead of just one. Two separate birth announcements appeared in two different Tacoma newspapers in May 1903. One of them clearly stated that a son arrived at the Crosby household on May 3. The other, confusingly, said May 4. However, a correction appeared three days later, changing that date to May 3. A baptismal certificate dated May 31, 1903, confirms that this was, indeed, little Harry Lillis Crosby (Bing)." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 19 Aug 08 - 06:05 PM Yes, Chester A. Arthur was, in fact, a U.S. citizen by birth. It was Arthur A. Chester who was Canadian. Thus the confusion. Arthur A. Chester never ran for public office in either the U.S. or Canada. In fact, he was a lifelong drunk. His only accomplishment was to sire a daughter, Emily, who married the only fellow she could find whose worthlessness was equal to that of her father, a fellow named Malcolm McBride from the town of Blind River. Thanks to the procreative efforts of Emily and Malcom, Blind River is now overrun with worthless drunken reprobates named McBride. Thus does Arthur A. Chester live on in spirit(s), if not in body. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Ebbie Date: 19 Aug 08 - 07:40 PM lol, beedubya. pdq, that confusion about birthdates happened to me. For 26 years - until I came across an old calendar - I celebraed the wrong day; it turned out that I was 4 days younger (Woo Hoo!) than I had thought. They didn't get around to writing down the date; the only thing everybody agreed upon was that it was Thanksgiving Day. And Thanksgiving Day doesn't usually fall on Sunday. :) This was in North Dakota during a blizzard and the midwife couldn't get through. My mother had already had 8 chldren so I don't suppose it alarmed her too badly. My father was there but she said he wasn't all that much help. If I'd had a difficult birth, though, no doubt he would've been invaluable. As a lifelong farmer he knew all about pulling calves. *g* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: olddude Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:00 PM Was Bing Crosby president? Wow it must have been the 60's I don't remember much of the 60's (better living through chemistry) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: pdq Date: 19 Aug 08 - 09:49 PM Well, Bing Crosby was the only person (at least this what I'm told) who won an Oscar, Golden Globe, Peabody Award, Grammy(s) and even an Emmy! I doubt that "Wait a Minute" Chester Arthur can top that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 19 Aug 08 - 10:02 PM I doubt that "Wait a Minute" Chester Arthur can top that! Hah! Who do you think invented the Chester drawers? But you're right that Bing Crosby was never president. It was Bob Hope. Okay, it wasn't Bob Hope either. Just some shifty-eyed fellow who stole poor ol' Bob's nose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:05 PM Chester A. Arthur was proud of his Canadian roots. It was under his administration that the Niagara Escarpment was extended all the way into Wisconsin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:09 PM It was further extended into Illinois and Indiana when Arthur A. Chester was top officer in the Army Corps of Engineers. hot pink rocks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:36 PM I have it on good authority (all those reliable folks with 9/11 theories) that Chester was born to a Jewish father from India and a Japanese geisha who had emigrated to Mexico in search of more lush gardens. They met when both were vacationing in Tibet and married soon after moving to Harlan, Kentucky where they had 19 children all named Chester. All of them moved to the Maritimes then westward until they reached Sudbury. From there they went south to Mississippi where they built an Orthodox Teahouse. Sadly it was destroyed when it fell off the end of the earth which everyone knows is in Mississippi Why does this matter and at this late date, why would anyone give a particular (or non-particular) fuck in the first place? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 20 Aug 08 - 06:57 PM "Non-Particular Fucks"... What a great name for a band! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:03 PM LOL.....good one beedub Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:17 PM Doesn't one American citizen as a parent count? Or is it considered "unnatural" for Americans to get it together with non-citizens? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Don Firth Date: 20 Aug 08 - 07:36 PM Is anybody taking continental drift into account? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 20 Aug 08 - 08:53 PM Kevin, as I understand the current interpretation, if a child is born outside the US and the mother is a US citizen, the child is automatically a US citizen, regardless of the father's citizenship. It's automatic. The child's birth certificate with the mother's name on it is the only paperwork that's needed. However, if the father is a US citizen but the mother is not, citizenship is not automatic. The father must file an application for US citizenship on behalf of the child prior to his sixth birthday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 20 Aug 08 - 11:44 PM Interesting. At first I thought that was really sexist, but then I figured that a mother has to be present at a birth, but a father could be absent. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: robomatic Date: 21 Aug 08 - 03:22 AM Wasn't he really James Wilkes Booth? I'm sure I read that somewhere. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: JJ Date: 21 Aug 08 - 09:38 AM No, he wasn't James Wilkes Booth (nor John Wilkes Booth, either). Just to keep this musical, Chester A. Arthur appears as a character in the opera, "The Ballad of Baby Doe." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Was Chester A Arthur really... From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 21 Aug 08 - 09:48 AM Leeneia, not only could the father be absent, but the mother could put any man's name on the birth certificate as the child's father. There's enough room for fraud there that it makes sense to have the father file a form attesting that he is the child's parent. |
