BS: The Debates: Members Only

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:59 PM

Rig:

I am SO glad there is someone like you around who knows me better than I know myself, and can help straighten me out by telling me what's good for me.

Not.



A

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:52 PM

(... with friends like John McCain, who needs enemas )

:-\

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Alice
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:32 PM

With friends like John McCain, who needs enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:04 PM

Me, too, Amos.

Good one, irishenglish!

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:00 PM

"JOHN!!!! WE'RE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!!!!!!"


                Of course you are. You just don't know it yet.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: heric
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:39 PM

Big hands? Doesn't attract me, really.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 05:47 PM

Funny--I ended up so frustrated at his transparent snake-oil duplicity that I ended up yelling at the TV:

JOHN!!!! WE'RE NOT YOUR FRIENDS!!!!!!!



A

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: irishenglish
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 04:44 PM

My friends....maverick
My friends.....Joe Lieberman
My friends.....Ronald Reagan
My friends....Teddy Roosevelt
My friends....That one
My friends....maverick



You get the rest!

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: katlaughing
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 04:18 PM

I am going to make a new bumper sticker with McCain's face on it, the no symbol drawn over that and the words "You are NOT "my friend!" written under it! It's getting to the point where I loathe hearing his voice almost as much as the shrub's.

bobad, you'd think those would be admirable attributes, but it's the last bit, tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. that sticks in the craw of the far wrong...they are full of fear which keeps them from being open and tolerant and they don't want anyone else to be, either!

My new son-in-law, who still has some learning to do, imo, thinks it is funny to see a bumper sticker, here, with the hammer and sickle next to Obama's name. I didn't have the presence of mind to ask him why. My daughter works with a woman who proudly sports one, too. I guess Joe Mcwhatshisname, McCarthy, must be proud.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 02:54 PM

CNN) -- iReporters across the country agree that Sen. Barack Obama won the second presidential debate Tuesday at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee.


Students at Northern Virginia Community College gather to watch the second presidential debate Tuesday.

Dozens of iReporters sent in video reactions to the debate between Obama and Sen. John McCain. While the majority said that Obama came out ahead, several iReporters called the face-off a tie.

The reaction from iReporters reflects the results of a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey that was conducted after the debate. Fifty-four percent of respondents said Obama performed better in the debate, while 30 percent said McCain fared better.

Frequent iReporter Jason Dinant noted that McCain went into the debate with the advantage of the town hall meeting. "However, at the end, hands-down Barack Obama won this debate," he said.

Dinant, who lives in Las Vegas, Nevada, said he is now an undecided voter. Originally a supporter of former Democratic candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton, he later switched his vote to McCain.

After watching both presidential debates, he is now considering voting for Obama in the presidential election. iReport.com: Watch why Dinant is tried of hearing the phrase 'my friends'

Obama "came off as definitely more knowledgeable in this debate," he said. "Sometimes McCain stumbled and you could definitely see it through his lies."
...

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:25 PM

Forbes opines:

Obama Wins Debates, Increases Lead in Key States

There may be some discussion about whether the town hall format worked for last night's debate (moderator Tom Brokaw repeatedly had to scold both candidates for ignoring the time limits and debate rules), but Barack Obama walked away with the win. Voters wanted to hear specifics on the economy, health care, and foreign policy. Overall, Obama provided more of those than John McCain. Trailwatch readers agree. As of this morning, 74% of people who participated in our admittedly unscientific poll thought that Obama won. This is another blow for the McCain campaign, which was counting on this format to work to his advantage. John McCain has participated in hundreds of town hall forums with voters and the expectation was that he would be in his element.

The debate's impact on voters has yet to show up in state-by-state and national results, but we have some new numbers from polls taken just prior to the debate. Nationally, Obama leads McCain by a little over five points--this according to the poll average from Real Clear Politics.

Obama has added to his poll lead in Colorado, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. In 2004, John Kerry won Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Wisconsin but he lost in Colorado, Ohio and Nevada. A glance at our Electoral College Map shows that if Obama can just add those three states, and hold on to all of the states that John Kerry won in 2004, he will win in November.

In New Hampshire, a state that was mentioned in last night's debate, Obama's lead has increased by 2.2 percentage points; he leads 52% to McCain's 41%. A win in New Hampshire along with Nevada, where Obama leads by 3 points, and Wisconsin, where Obama is ahead by 8 points over McCain, would get the Democrats to the magic number of 270 Electoral College votes. On top of that, Obama leads the polls in the 2004 Bush states of Florida and Virginia and even has a slight poll edge in North Carolina and Missouri.

...

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:48 AM

"...They saw through the rhetoric. Made note of every zinger — as well as many of the inconsistencies. And while analyzing Tuesday night's presidential debate, Valley High School debate champs were impressed by Sen. Barack Obama's command and taken aback by Sen. John McCain's "crude" barbs.

The Mercury News invited champion debaters from Bellarmine College Preparatory and Leland High School to assess the second presidential debate. Both schools are in San Jose and many of the students in the Democratic-heavy Bay Area said their parents are Obama supporters.

Eight of the eleven students said Obama handily won and stood out as the more persuasive, and more presidential, figure. One student gave the edge to McCain; two pronounced it a draw. However, many said the debate probably changed few voters' minds.

"After the initial pokes and jabs, it was a race to the middle," said Sagar Vijay, a senior at Bellarmine. "Obama had a better command of rhetoric. When he talked of how his mother died of cancer, he put himself in others' shoes."

A key moment in the 90-minute town-hall-style debate held in Nashville was when McCain pointed his finger at Obama and referred to his fellow senator as "that one" in reference to a Senate vote on a controversial energy bill. That elicited audible gasps from the teenagers, all of whom are too young to vote in the Nov. 4 election.

"McCain was a lot more crude," said Vijay Sridharan, a junior at


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Bellarmine. "His pointing to Obama and the phrase 'that one.' To see that lack of professionalism on a presidential debate was shocking."

Many students said the candidates largely stuck to their key talking points and repeated catchphrases from the campaign trail, breaking little new ground, though they noted McCain outlined a new plan to buy bad mortgages and that both sides seemed to repeatedly return to energy policy.

One note of particular interest to Silicon Valley: McCain mentioned Meg Whitman, eBay's former CEO, as a possible choice for Treasury secretary; however, it caused a few in the room to mutter, "Didn't they just do layoffs?"

Many students said Obama did a better job of spelling out specific policy proposals and looking to the future, while McCain seemed stuck in the past.

"McCain used a kind of 'Back to the Future' approach," said Taman Narayan, a senior at Leland High School. "He kept saying, 'My friends, look at Ronald Reagan, look at Teddy Roosevelt, look at the surge.' Obama took the mantle and moved it forward.''

Noting Obama's call to fight climate change and characterizing health care as an American "right" — as opposed to McCain calling it a "responsibility" — Bellarmine senior Evan Larson said, "Obama kept calling us to embrace our highest values."..."

(MErcury NEws)

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 10:10 AM

Happy to see some comments on this debate which I missed by attending the sea music session in Gloucester last night. I was sort of hoping that Obama would confronte McCain on the nasty shift his campaign has shifted to. This is not the kind of campaign that McCain said he would run a few months ago, and desparation is no excuse for such mean-spirited, guilt by association, sneer-sneer, stuff that I'm seeing now.

Charley Noble, on the road home from Getaway

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Pseudolus
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:41 AM

I think that Obama will stay above the fray where the "that one" comment is concerned. He's leading in all the polls, McCain is in trouble and he knows it. Going after McCain on that would be seen as stooping down to his level and I think Obama is smart enough to see that. McCain knows that he didn't have the kind of decisive win he needed to spark the campaign which in my opinion is why he left so quickly after the debate ended. Obama was out there by himslef working the crowd, looking like the winner of the debate and to me, looking like the next President.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 08:22 AM

CNN poll this morning:

Obama won: 54%
McCain won: 30%

Personally, I thought that McCain was 100% McCain and that seems to be a problem for him... He is a mean spirited little man with a bad temper...

I agree wholeheartedly with MiziAzizi that the "That One" comment was McCain's "macaca moment" and will probably be looked back upon when the McCain Straight Talking Bus went off the cliff...

But what bothers me is that rather than try to salvage any level of respect McCain and Palin have decided to turn to a racist campign with all kinds of codified language.... I also find it amazing that someone in the crowd at one of Palin's events yelled "Kill him!" in regards to Obama and Palin didn't respond... Oh yeah, the Repubs will say that she didn't hear it... Well, that's bull... She heard it allright...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:23 AM

I would suggest LSM that it would be more useful if you made a comment that is cogent to the subject of the thread, and stopped trying to score points.

XG

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Riginslinger
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:04 AM

"And McCain refused to shake Obama's proferred hand. His wife did, but not McCain."


                I wouldn't make too much of that. I've noticed that McCain usually only shakes hands with his left hand. I suspect his other arm doesn't have the mobility. It might look more awkward than it really was, and be totally unintentional.

                The focus group that they questioned after the debate thought McCain did better on the economy.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 06:02 AM

If a member's cookie goes down and they come in as a GUEST they are still a member.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: GUEST,LSM
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 03:30 AM

Questions answered next month Richard, let's see how much noise you make then ! So nice to see a members only thread full of "GUEST" posts ! that really makes a joke of it. Yes several guest posts up there still.

Love to stay and talk Richard, but have to spread the jam here on the toast, saving up the tokens on the jar for my next little brass badge, fancy the golfer this time ;-)

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The "Guests" above are longtime members. We had too many problems with strangers dropping insults in the previous debates thread, so we restricted this one.
You're welcome to post in any of the other threads, but keep your insults to yourself.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 03:10 AM

Oh dear, the KKK is back. Jolly darkies gathering cotton, and displaying their natural sense of rhythm, but somehow childlike and in need of de white massa's firm but loving hand?

Cotton indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 01:14 AM

Palin's husband is part of a movement that wants Alaska to secede from the US.

Isn't that treason?

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: CarolC
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:15 AM

I think that was already voted on in the big bailout bill. McCain has perhaps not yet read the bill he just voted on.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 08 Oct 08 - 12:02 AM

The only real surprise was McCain's statement that the Government should buy up all the bad mortgages and renegotiate them. Oddly it echoes something Biden said about adjusting both interest rates and principals.

Even more oddly, nobody pursued the point.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Peace
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:58 PM

"I suspect McCain will brand Obama for exactly what he is!"

Yeah. The next President of the United States of America.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:51 PM

McCain's macaca moment-referring to Obama as "That one".

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:29 PM

Anybody get a count of how many times McCain addressed the audience as "...my friends...?"

It was beginning to get a little tedious.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 11:21 PM

Any comment here leads some credence to the whole damn thing so let me say, NO COMMENT.

Why do they even bother with this shit?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 10:46 PM

I doubt anyone who has already made up their mind about who to vote for will change their vote based upon this event. Tom Brokaw is the clear loser--he couldn't contain them in the format or time. They wanted to answer and rebut completely, and since they are the parties who set up the original agreement for the meeting, they can change the rules along the way, but they fell back on the same old arguments to do it. There wasn't anything new here. The first debate was better.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 10:38 PM

And McCain refused to shake Obama's proferred hand. His wife did, but not McCain.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: bobad
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 10:32 PM

McCain looks very weak to me.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:57 PM

McCain doesn't look like he's doing so good. He's stilted, nervous and repetitive. He's inserting some fairly nonsequiturial points from the script ('gotta shove that in somewhere'). Obama just looks like Obama and is managing to point out the attempted twisting of his policies by McCain. I've noticed no such twisting by Obama.

McCain is trying too hard, and I wouldn't be surprised if he lost even more percentage points after this. I probably won't sit through the whole thing either. McCain is losing the plot ('hair transplants'?!) and Obama is patient and presidential.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Beer
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:48 PM

Mudcat is more exciting.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Amos
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:46 PM

I had to turn it off; McCain is a walking slimebomb and speaks in forked tongues.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:46 PM

Yes, and they raised expectations about it, too. I think I'll go walk the dog.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:38 PM

I hate this format. It's only good for sound bytes and bumper sticker slogans.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:35 PM

That's a very small audience.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 09:29 PM

McCain's tie is too long.

Obama keeps droppin' his "g"s.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:42 PM

Seriously, the whole 'terrorist' smear is ridiculous and would be even funnier if there weren't people dimwitted enough to believe it.

Good-ol'-boy stupid has become a whole lot more admirable in some circles that 'elitist' smart.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:41 PM

Good 'un, Jeri...

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:39 PM

Nah. I don't think he's about to admit Obama's a better choice.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Riginslinger
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 07:23 PM

I suspect McCain will brand Obama for exactly what he is!

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: bobad
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:59 PM

"I suspect that McCain wuill try branding Obama a traitor, a commie, a sex offender, a terrorist and juts about anything else that pops into McCain's demented little mind..."

Worse than that he is labeling him as a, wait for it .....liberal ..... horrors.

It has always mystified me that in the US the word "liberal" is seen as pejorative whereas in most other progressive countries it has positive connotations.

From an online dictionary:

a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

These are good things, no?


conservative

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: CarolC
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:58 PM

A traitor, a commie, a sex offender, a terrorist, and an elitist.

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Oct 08 - 06:41 PM

Refresh for Round Two of McCain and Obama...

McCain is desperate so this one oughtta be real interesting... I suspect that McCain wuill try branding Obama a traitor, a commie, a sex offender, a terrorist and juts about anything else that pops into McCain's demented little mind...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 06 Oct 08 - 06:05 AM

Kidding aside, I understand that not everyone would be familiar with the term Bosniak. Puzzled, perhaps. I mean, it was in the news. A lot. For decades. One of the biggest news stories of the past fifty years. But, no, I won't judge.

Anyways, yes, you guys have heard the term Bosnian, but Bosniak and Bosnian aren't the same thing. Bosnian is a nationality, what we call a citizen of Bosna i Hercegovina, regardless of their ethnicity. Bosniak is what we call those people often referred to as Bosnian Muslims. But they don't all live in Bosnia, and they aren't all Muslims, so... It's complicated.

---Will

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 03:43 PM

Hi guest...I think so...as long as you have a "tag".

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 02:53 PM

Still are over here, never heard the term Bosniak before I saw it here.

XG

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 02:25 PM

In the news I heard in the 90's they were called Bosnians.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 12:06 PM

Fox network may be looking for someone.

Subject: RE: BS: The Debates: Members Only
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Oct 08 - 10:38 AM

LOL! You oughta start a public affairs show on TV, Lepus.