BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!

Subject: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:46 PM

I'm sick unto death of politicians, of election slurs, of so-called debates, of insults that would get you a punch in nose disguised as commercials, of lies, of half-truths.

November 5 can't come soon enough, and I mean that no matter WHO wins.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:47 PM

By the way, I just read the headline to an AP story in which John McCain links Marxist Socialist Wealth-Redistributor Barack Obama to Exxon/Mobil's record oil profits.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 12:54 PM

Likewise. (glad when it's over, I mean)

Say, did you know that Chongo's pretty ticked with you over the Skipe/Skype thing? He doesn't really care all that much, though, because he knows he's not going to win, and that means he won't have to worry about you behind his back when he's president. Still, I wouldn't count on particularly cordial relations with Chongo after this thing is over if I were you.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:02 PM

Aching for a Political AD-Free Night of TV.
SINS

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:03 PM

I'm thinking about taking next Wednesday off from work and just digging in the garden or something cathartic. No news, just the out-of-doors. And the dogs can tag along--they're good company and they won't bring up politics.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:10 PM

Aching for a Political Discussion-Free Night of Mudcat. Will it ever happen?

For one, brief, shining moment early this month, I sat on a picnic bench at sunset, looking out at the water, with beardedbruce on my left side and Amos on my right - AND THEY WEREN'T TALKING POLITICS and THEY WEREN'T ARGUING!!!

Will such wonderful peace and harmony ever happen again?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: maire-aine
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:13 PM

Me, too. Can't stand to turn on the radio or TV anymore.

Maryanne

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:15 PM

This is how a nation gets driven slowly insane...

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: RangerSteve
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:15 PM

There's also the mailbox full of political ads that I throw away. What a waste of perfectly good trees.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:21 PM

Save them, you may need them to heat the house this winter.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:21 PM

I am having a blast watching Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow each evening, but DO mute all of the commercials and we do have plenty of them, being a battleground state which is going to go for Obama, I am sure!:-) Other than that, yeah, I will be glad for it to all be over.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:23 PM

So will Chongo, though he's had a lot of fun. He knows he ain't gonna win, so he's looking forward to getting back to the usual thing on the gritty streets of Chicago. He does feel sad for his loyal backers, though. It was always a long shot.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Amos
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:25 PM

I agree wholeheartedly, but I would add that the biggest strain in any political season, especially one as intense and important (as these thigns go) as this one, is the twisting, bending, filtering and distortion of information on both sides. It is mind-boggling to see someone decided to go into a full hydrophobic foaming schpiel about an issue which in nomral times would be thrown out as insignificant, just in the hiopes they can create fear, uncertainty and doubt. These FUD manufacturers ruin the dialogue. The armwaving extremists and conspiracy-mongers are even worse but at least they are kind of obvious, like a rabid squirrel. The whole thing stains the public discourse like an old pair of wino BVDs. Dona nobis pacem, at least for a few days.


A

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:26 PM

We have turned off all the house phones and stopped watching the news. I don't wanna be so exhausted from the drammer that I'm too wacked out to vote!

Accordiong to the calls and the news, I gotta be scared.... geeze, you could shut right down from just a few of those! I don't think so....

I got a campaign mailer the other day, white type on black background, HUGE postcard size, reading "Bitter?" I think it will make a great hockey sign. I laminate things that size to hold onto the glass where we sit, because so many hard checks land right there. This one will be priceless! (I didn't even open it to read the innards!

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:39 PM

OH, and it will not be over. The GOP have a big meeting planned for the day after in which Palin will be making her bid for 2012 and they are going to start in right away, with or without her, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: catspaw49
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:48 PM

I'm looking toward the same as Joe.....enuff with the political bullshit! I couldn't take it before as the arguments are just completely screwed.   So I've taken to spending my time abusing WalksaboutVerse. Equally stupid of course but less frustrating and infinitely more fun. I'll miss the simpleshit twit after the elections but on the other hand, BS "as usual" will hopefully return to our amusement!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: gnu
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 01:51 PM

When will IT be over, anyway? January 20, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: PoppaGator
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:03 PM

I noticed about a week ago (maybe less) that there seemed to be a sudden drop in participation in Mudcat political BS.

Did everyone come down with terminal election fatigue at once?

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:07 PM

News?..What news??..all we get is political speculation, and then end up arguing over speculations. When the curtain is pulled back, I will be happy to see some, rather red with embarrassment, faces. ..But they'll still hold on to being right...like idiots do!

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 02:18 PM

I've thought for a long time that ALL primaries should be held on June 15, with campaigning permitted only between June 1 and June 14. Then all the conventions should be held on September 1 with ALL campaigning ending on October 21. From October 21 until election day the public would have a breather space to think and argue among themselves.

But I'm a radical.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 03:02 PM

Peddle it somewhere else, Guest from inSanity, this thread is about leaving the politics behind, not about nurturing recriminations. Offer to go for a walk, take a nap, read a book, watch a television program with no political ads.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 03:56 PM

Add me to the list, but I'm afraid won't won't be OVER on the 5th. There is still the damn Electoral College to get thru, and weeks of 'analysis'. Sigh.....

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 04:00 PM

OJ eventually dropped outta the news. There's hope!

OK, so who wants to nominate a good news source that has NO political coverage? I was watching BBCAmerica last month aND IT WAS, AT LEAST, CALM IN TONE. nOW IT'S ALL JAZZED UP. sorry, capslock.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: katlaughing
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 04:10 PM

Rapaire, sounds good to me. The only thing I would add is the new president-elect be sworn into office the day after, Nov. 5th, in this case, and hit the dirt running. This year of all years, I think our country would benefit greatly from so doing.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 04:10 PM

Good ideas there, Rapaire. What you are recommending sounds fairly similar to the way we do elections in Canada....except we would have the election on Oct 21st, after a mere 7 week campaign nationwide. That's all the time required for an election campaign, and it frees your government up to do what it's supposed to do for the rest of the year: govern.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 04:53 PM

I'm just sick and tired of political campaigns. It would be different if they were thoughtful and factual but they aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:01 PM

Tired of being lied to day after day....

Oh, and Silly Trivia Rage, I' wasn't talking about politics, I was talking about the Girl Scout cookie drive!

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Amos
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:10 PM

Hey, fellas and gals, don't forget that putting your attention on ANY show--"news" or web or scrofulous gentlemen's clubs -- is a voluntary act entirely. We're all grownups, and no-one isd bein forced to tune in to Fox, CNN or even NPR.

A

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:12 PM

You should tell my mother that. She's heavily addicted to CNN.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Big Mick
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:20 PM

Damn.... why does it fall to me to be the bearer of bad news? You may not have the campaign ads, but the politics, assuming O'bama (still can't help meself, ever since I found out the lad is Irish) are going to get downright bloody. You may count on attacks and nastiness beginning the day after the election, and it will escalate into some of the nastiest stuff you have seen yet. The only way that won't be the case is if, when it happens, the public reacts strongly and with no tolerance for it. But maybe we will get a short respite........ hope springs eternal. Ugly stuff, this rescuing, rebuilding, and restoring a nation.

All the best,

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:47 PM

No stamina, some people...

Turning your country round isn't going to be quick and easy. And even if Obama wins, that's just the start, because there are going to so many pressures trying to stop any meaningful changes. And that won't just be from people labelled as political opponents, the worst of it will be from "friends".

That's how it always tends to work when "charismatic leaders" are swept to power.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Amos
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 05:52 PM

The truth is, as Mick indicates, that November will be just the beginning.

Every step Barack takes will stir up more bullshit from the stoppers, the whingers, the NIMBYs, the nay-sayers, and the plain old merchants of nihilism and chaos who are so far gone in their psychosis they would strike out a Mother Teresa if she offered them water. There are plenty of nutballs out there, some of them dressed up in suits and ties, whose vision of the future is a deep, black hole into which they want to drag themselves and all the scenery.

And they will flaunt falsehoods, erratic half-baked distortions, mis-estimated upside-down importances, bass-ackward reasoning and false associations to do their worst, just as they have tried so far.

What has worked in this election so far is refusing to get restimulated, since they really have no other power; instead, staying clear, direct, coherent, articulate and well-reasoned, and continuing to communicate steadily and honestly.

Drives 'em nuts and makes them wave their arms and jump up and down.

This is just choosing the general. The battle, whether of ideas or something denser, still lies ahead. If we're lucky the commitment in this country to free exchange f thoughts in open dialogue will prevail.

If we are not, it could get uglier. Confusion rears up and blows hard when order starts to occur, and then, after repeated repetitions of order, dies down and drains away.

It is easy to mistake this process for an explosion and a failure of reason, but it is not--it is just the first line of reaction.

A

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:03 PM

Mick, if I go camp in my backyard for a couple of days in the tent with a cookstove, flashlight, a sleeping bag, and a good book, I think I can leave it behind for a few hours at a stretch. And the dogs will be thrilled to have the company.

It seems that's the only way to avoid it. Several calls a day from automated dialers add to the misery even if I don't turn on the TV or radio.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:08 PM

Is there somewhere I can go to learn to be a naysaying merchant of nihilism? It sounds like an exciting new career. Right now I'm more of a Sociable Anarchist.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: curmudgeon
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:28 PM

We don't watch television, ever; the radios are locked in to NPR. Aside from the occsional telephone survey, we aren't being bothered. Most of the mailings we get are from Democrats; the Republicans seem to have written us off, except for some daft mailings from VA attacking a candidate for state senate in NH.

Aside frrom the mad rantings of the likes of GfS and Rig and a couple other Mudcat lunatic fringers, I'm actually enjoying the whole process. But, I am a political junkie - Tom

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Sorcha
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:33 PM

Tom, yer a nutter! LOL....and sorry. Politics...Instant Upchuck.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:39 PM

From: curmudgeon
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 06:28 PM

Aside frrom the mad rantings of the likes of GfS and Rig and a couple other Mudcat lunatic fringers,...
...and anyone else with common sense..

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 07:12 PM

Naysaying nabobs of nihilism is even better, Rapaire. ;-) Imagine stepping into that role for a bit.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 07:15 PM

I ahve not read all of this.

When you surrender, the other side win.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 07:19 PM

Look, I'm just prognosticating, that's all. A lot of Japanese didn't surrender in WWII and the other side still won anyway. Think about that.

On the other hand, if you wish to go out in a blaze of glory, go right ahead. It's your call.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 30 Oct 08 - 08:50 PM

I'll be glad when John McCain rids himself of the delusion that he's my friend.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Peace
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 12:39 AM

Canada called an election and had it in less than six weeks. This fu#kin' election in the US has been going on for a fu#kin' year and a half. ENOUGH already!

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 12:43 AM

There is a slim possibility that it could be 2000 all over again and it will drag into December.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 01:15 AM

From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 12:43 AM

There is a slim possibility that it could be 2000 all over again and it will drag into December.

Rephrase:There is a slime possibility that it could be 2000 all over again and it will drag into December.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Sawzaw
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 01:27 AM

I think the last word in your handle needs to be tweaked.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 01:32 AM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 01:41 PM

If you folks won't be glad when this #!$%ing #!#$-*%#^&!@! election is over, go post elsewhere.

Others and myself have been sick and tired of it for months!

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 04:28 PM

Ha! I've been praying for years that the Earth would open up and swallow the entire Democratic and Republican party machines and they would both vanish without a trace. In the aftermath a new political system could be adopted, where:

Election campaigns are limited to 6 weeks.

All candidates are funded equally from a public purse.

All candidates get 100% equal air time to present their views.

NO on-air advertising allowed by any candidate...just show up on TV at scheduled times to debate each other and present platforms and ideas.

No polls either. Let people guess what the hell is going on if they want to and wait till election day to find out which candidate has more or less support.

No corporate sponsors. No big bucks into anyone's campaign from lobbyists or anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 04:57 PM

People tend to associate with those of like opinions, and they then assume EVERYONE has those opinions.

Read Hoffer's "The True Believer."

Just FOUR MORE DAYS!!!

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Amos
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 06:08 PM

Stay the course, and get the vote out for Obama, Rapaire!! You'll be glad you did.



A

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 06:16 PM

I've already voted, Amos -- and as you know, I voted for the next President of the US (and some other people and issues).

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 06:46 PM

"All candidates get 100% equal air time to present their views."

well, we need some way to edit the total kooks who find the $$$ to get their name known.

Otherwise, I basically agree.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 07:11 PM

Little Hawk is correct!

This celebrity fest has turned into a media circus, for those prone to obsessive behaviour

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 31 Oct 08 - 08:43 PM

Bill, in a genuinely democratic system you have to trust the common people to ferret out the "kooks" on their own. Given equal and fair coverage to all contenders, I feel reasonably confident they can do that. If they can't, well, I'd rather have a democracy where mistakes are sometimes made than a pre-choreographed and pre-arranged charade of a democracy where the mistakes are central command policy.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 11:23 AM

Just remember, no matter how painful a shit you're having, another one is on the way.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 11:44 AM

Unless you die first.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Cluin
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 05:05 PM

Or during.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 06:59 PM

Right.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Nov 08 - 10:06 PM

Or because of.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 01:54 AM

Ask Elvis.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 02:46 AM

..or (D.) All of the above.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 09:02 AM

The Republicans have started running some really nasty ads here this weekend. Pee-yew. Since this state is probably going to be a red state anyway (alas) they might as well throw their money away here, and not push more into swing states.

I'm counting the hours until this is over. . .

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rowan
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:06 PM

It's bad enough having to put up with US politics here in Oz where, even though we pay thru the nose because of US companies needing rescuing (and thus ought to come under the "no taxation without representation" rubric), none of us gets a vote; y'all have my deepest sympathies.

And a thought for the season:
It doesn't matter who you vote for, it's always a politician that gets in!

Cheers, Rowan

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Amos
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:12 PM

Their nastinesses will not impact the election much. THis will be a landslide, for good and sufficient reason.

I will be glad when it is over, too, because it will mean the country can get down to work straightening itself out.

There's a mess of straightening needs doing.


A

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 08:51 PM

The country WILL have change.

The politicians will take our money, and we'll get the change.

Subject: RE: BS: I Will Be SOOOO Glad When It's Over!
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Nov 08 - 09:32 PM

That, by the way, will happen regardless of who wins.