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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 19 Jun 09 - 07:57 AM Why would Saddam be A's best friend, mg??? I don't get that at all... As for minority rights... Hey, when the Repubs had control of the all three branches of government I didn't see them hand the keys over the Dems and say, "You drive"... No, that ain't they way our system of governemnt works... What the Dems are facing is 8 years of failed policies and one heck of a mess to clean up... As for the minority having opinions: that's fine with me... Somefar their opinion has been to "Just Say No" to whatever the Dems want to do... Thay are beyond obstructionists, bb... They have become marginalized by just not wanting to play, period... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: TIA Date: 19 Jun 09 - 01:12 AM "minorities have no right to have opinions contrary to the majority" You got the right, but you may be called upon to defend them cogently. Too much to ask? Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: mg Date: 19 Jun 09 - 12:56 AM I confess to not reading this thread, but I will say one thing..and that is thanks be to all that is holy that Saddam is gone with what is going on right now. He would be A's best friend and things would be even more dangerous than they are now. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 18 Jun 09 - 08:02 PM Boohoo, ya'll losers... Yer just pissed 'cause Obama won... That had nuthin' to do with me smokin' a little pot now and then... I mean, if you think that Obama won because I somoke a little pot now and then then ya'll is dillusional... I mean, 96 proff dillusional... That's purdy dillusional in my book... But nevermind yer dillusions fir a minute... Bush was also dillusional... And Rumsey... And Rice... They all bought into Cheney's dillusions... That was a very bad thing for US 'cause it got us in the biggest mess since, ahhhhhh, amybe forever... BTW, that mess we are in ain't go one thing to do with me smokin' a little pot... As fir ego??? Nah, I ain't all that eat up with myself... But I am eat up with stupid people who get US into immoral wars... If that makes me some bigass ego-guy, then, well, I reckon I gottta revist what ego is all about... No, Sawz may think this is about ego... It ain't, unless it is about his ego... Folks who have met me know that that accusation just don't fit me... Ya' see, I played blues in a barbershop every Saturday for years with older and mostly black blues players and I wouldn't have been able to survice that setting if I had come in with this bigass ego thing going... So, as per usaul, Sawz is just plain wrong... (Oh, Boberdz, that sounds egotisical...) No, it's just Sawz being wrong... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: GUEST,beardedbruce Date: 18 Jun 09 - 02:29 PM " But does he have the right to continuously deride other people who dare point out that his facts are not facts. " Of course he does. 1. He holds the same opinions as a majority here, and minorities have no right to have opinions contrary to the majority. 2. What else is an Ubermensch for??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 18 Jun 09 - 08:59 AM But, here's the rub... Sawz seems to think that folks who opposed the Iraq1 war opposed it becuase they were users of cannibus??? Yeah, I don't understand that logic but I don't understand how TV works either... But I didn't undertand how TV works long before the evil weed and I were introduced... So, I'm fuguring that my reasons for opposing the Iraq War are not actually cannibus induced but logical... Experts know now that weed affects your logic and blurs fact and fiction to the point that "Stoner Bobert" as he calls himself keeps coming up with Bobert facts like Rumsfeld gave a M16 rifle to Saddam and then conflates that into being a reward for gassing the Kurds and then conflates that into the US sold the bad gas that was used. Yet he seems to have forgotten where he read these facts and has nothing to support them due to the effects of THC on the brain. Undauntedly, fecklessly, he states things like Gaza is the most populated area in the world, 1% of the population in Haiti holds all the wealth, on and on. If someone tries to tell him he is wrong he threatens them with physical violence, another manifestation of drug use along with the lousy typing. Bottom line is Bobert has an Ego the size of Eniac, a pickled up brain like the ones you see in the jars down at the Smithsonian and cannot tell fact from fiction yet claims to hold some sort of moral high ground in all matters. Even Obama the Great admitted that during high school he used marijuana, cocaine, and alcohol, which he described at the 2008 Civil Forum on the Presidency as his greatest moral failure. Even the professional Social Workers, which Bobert claims to be, recognize pot as a drug that fucks up your brain. But after your brain is fucked up on weed you think you are smarter than the non smokers. You think you have reached a higher level of intelligence and are somehow better than non users. What they say doesn't mean anything and what you say is always true and you don't have to provide anything to support it. get me off the hook on opposing the dumbasss Iarq War... Bobert has every right in the world to oppose the 'Iarq' War, even though he didn't volunteer to go over there and be a human shield like a real antiwar protester. But does he have the right to continuously deride other people who dare point out that his facts are not facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 18 Jun 09 - 08:14 AM Bong hits 4 Sawz and... ...700!!! B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 18 Jun 09 - 01:34 AM College of Social Work Course It's Only Weed, Right!? Home > Training for Professionals > Training Calendar > It's Only Weed, Right!? May 5, 2009 9:00 AM â€" 12:15 PM 3 CEU/clock hours Location: 115 Stillman Hall Marijuana use is on the rise, and so are the number of myths and misunderstandings about this drug. As a result of this workshop, participants (except Bobert) will be able to separate fact from fiction by learning the latest research on both health and impairment effects. We will discuss immediate, lingering and long-term effects of use on the human body. This will include effects on brain functions such as memory, reflexes, judgment, perception, attention and cognitive skills. We will also discuss health risks such as cancer and addiction, as well as effects on the heart and the reproductive, respiratory and immune systems. Objectives 1. Identify commonly held views about marijuana and evaluate the accuracy of these views based on current research findings. 2. Counteract harmful and misleading information that is circulating about marijuana and contributing to the lack of perceived risk associated with its use. 3. Understand why abstinence is the only recommended choice for marijuana. Allison Sharer, OCPS II, has worked in the prevention field since 1983. She currently works part-time as Assistant Director at Drug Free Action Alliance, and is an independent trainer and consultant. She has worked with programs doing peer, community-based and environmental prevention, and she has developed and presented educational opportunities for a wide variety of audiences. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 17 Jun 09 - 05:29 PM Couldn't agree with you more... One thing that hasn't changed since Sswz strange 3 month disappearance is his uncanny ability to make himself look very silly... He still has that down to an art... But this obsession with drugs does have me a little concerned this time around... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Amos Date: 17 Jun 09 - 04:57 PM Seems to me, Sawz, that by posting all this anti-pot data into a thread about why Iraq was a political error, you are, yourself, demonstrating a great disjointedness of mind and an inability to correctly associate and differentiate, and other fundamental cognitive abilities. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Jun 09 - 04:34 PM Far as I can tell it is about how Bobert thinks he has a better grasp on facts and reality than other people and is therefore superior to anybody that disagrees with him. The Obama Administration's official Marijuana 'Myths and Facts: The Truth Behind 10 Popular Misperceptions' Myth #1: Marijuana is harmless Myth #2: Marijuana is not addictive Myth #3: Marijuana is not as harmful to your health as tobacco Myth #4: Marijuana makes you mellow Myth #5: Marijuana is used to treat cancer andother diseases Myth #6: Marijuana is not as popular as MDMA (Ecstasy) or other drugs among teens today Myth #7: If I buy marijuana, I'm not hurting anyone else Myth #8: My kids won't be exposed to marijuana.. Myth #9: There's not much parents can do to stop theirkids from experimenting with marijuana........... Myth #10: The government sends otherwise innocent people to prison for casual marijuana use......... Use of marijuana has adverse health, safety, social, academic, economic, and behavioral consequences. And yet, astonishingly, many people view the drug as "harmless." The widespread perception of marijuana as a benign natural herb seriously detracts from the most basic message our society needs to deliver: It is not OK for anyone to use this or any other illicit drug.Effects of marijuana use include memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problemsolving, and anxiety. effects of marijuana use include memory loss, distorted perception, trouble with thinking and problemsolving, and anxiety. COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT That marijuana can cause problems with concentration and thinking has been shown in research funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), the federal agency that brings the power of science to bear on drug abuse and addiction. A NIDAfunded study at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts, is part of the growing body of research documenting cognitive impairment MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS Smoking marijuana leads to changes in the brain similar to those caused by cocaine, heroin, and alcohol. All of these drugs disrupt the flow of chemical neurotransmitters, and all have specific receptor sites in the brain that have been linked to feelings of pleasure and, over time, addiction. Cannabinoid receptors are affected by THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, and many of these sites are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Amos Date: 17 Jun 09 - 01:33 PM Mayhap this is a subtle projection on Sawz' part--there are certain applicable elements, to be sure--the confusion, the out-of-touchness, and so on. It is an intricate job of rationalization, though, I will say that much. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 17 Jun 09 - 12:55 PM Geeze Loise, Sawz, it certainly is impressive how seriously you took yer rehab but this thread ain't about marijuana... Might of fact, the entire fiesko known generally as the Iraq War had and has nuthin' to do with marijuana... Maybe you need to start a marijuana thread seein' as you are obsesses with, ahhhhhh, the evil weed... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 17 Jun 09 - 09:15 AM Marijuana linked to DNA damage. June 17, 2009 For those of you whom have sons in their mid-twenties living in your basements, garages or attics, you may have to break some bad news to them It seems that Cannabis smoke damages DNA and may initiate cancer. Awww, bummer dude. In a recent study published by the University of Leicester, researchers focused on the toxicity of acetaldehyde, which is contained in both marijuana and cigarettes. Though marijuana and tobacco may share some similarities, there are some significant differences. According to authors of the study, "…because of its (cannabis) lower combustibility it contains 50% more carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons including naphthalene, benzanthracene, and benzopyrene, than tobacco smoke." It has been known for some time that marijuana smoke contains several times as much tar, as well as causes about 6-7 times damage to bronchial mucus membranes as cigarettes. Another factor is the tendency of marijuana users to inhale the smoke more deeply than typical cigarette smokers. Both cannabis and tobacco have been changed from their initial natural form by mankind's ability to alter the crops we grow. And though cigarettes include many more additives than marijuana, it seem that to live a healthy life and avoid wasting money, you must avoid both. This work was done by Rajinder Singh, Jatinderpal Sandhu, Balvinder Kaur, Tina Juren, William P. Steward, Dan Segerback and Peter B. Farmer. The study has been published in Chemical Research in Toxicology. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:29 PM It's amazing what 90 days of inpatient treatment can do for a feller, Amos... Just amazing... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Amos Date: 16 Jun 09 - 12:21 PM Why, Sawzall--what a charming innuendo! How clever to post a scientific, rational piece to serve such a passive-aggressive intent!! Your slime techniques are definitely maturing. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:40 AM Danged, Sawz, where ya' been... Drug treatment??? That's a good thing 'cause you were gettin' purdy bad off... Don't miss none of yer out patience therapy groups, ya hear... And keep them 12 Steps in yer thinkerator at all times... You can beat this one... I got faith in ya'... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 16 Jun 09 - 07:16 AM I ain't namin' any names but: "If you think marijuana is harmless, you might be suffering from the delusional tendencies caused by smoking pot, as revealed in a health study published in The Lancet on Friday (late July of 2007)...The research team, based in England, found that weed smokers have on average a 41 percent increased risk of developing psychotic disorders later in life. The heaviest users doubled their risk; yet even infrequent smokers had a modest increased risk. The findings imply that smoking marijuana may be the cause of more than 10 percent of schizophrenia cases. The analysis challenges the myth that ganja is no worse than alcohol and is safe to smoke in moderation. Although "most people who use cannabis will not develop such an illness," according to one of the study's author's, Dr. Stanley Zammit of Cardiff University, he warns that anyone developing mental problems or who has a family history of mental disease should punt the habit. Zammit's group, led by Dr. Glyn Lewis of the University of Bristol, analyzed 35 published cannabis studies and controlled for confounding effects, such as personality traits that might be more of a determinant of psychosis than pot. Indeed, the researchers found that the habit was associated with psychosis—one of many risky behaviors seen among pre-psychotic patients—but it was not a direct cause of the disease in about half of the cases analyzed. Carefully removing confounding factors, however, the researchers uncovered the first definitive cause-and-effect relationship. Cannabis use appeared to be the primary cause of several psychotic symptoms, from personality changes and disorganized thinking to hallucinations and serious disconnects with reality.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 15 Apr 09 - 07:21 AM Do you have a point, Sawz??? You certainly have amrginalized yourself on this thread with yer little games... (BTW: I couldn't give a rat's ass about your cyber-obsession with with me... You know, finding stuff that I wrote on other websites years ago and dragging it over here as if you have discovered some deep, dark secret... That kinda of obsessive behavior is best left for you and your shrink to deal with...) B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Barry Finn Date: 15 Apr 09 - 01:48 AM Well, I didn't bother. I can't stand to read some one's cut & paste Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 14 Apr 09 - 10:54 PM I assume Bobert speaks for 99% of the mudcaters when he says: "Don't worry nuthin 'bout dem cats, Dog. Most of 'em ain't worth a good chase. They get their noses up in the air 'bout folks funnin'. Yeah you want to talks about the origins os Scotish folk music fir hours upon end, then that's the joint fir ya. When I first started going over there I'd mess with em' and they'd get all upset and jump up an' down but these days they they ignore me like I'm Casper, 'er something. But I still drop by and mess with 'em jus' fir fun. Now, don't gey me wrong. Some is purdy cool, ahhh,, like Amos, Little Hawk, Bee-Dubya, Kendall, Jerry Rassmussen, Nicole, CarolC and JtS, but most of collectively add up to a big ol, ahhhh, snore! Except the big jerks like Teribus, troll and DougR, who think that George Junior is God.... Enough, let me go on over there, light a stink bomb and skeee-adddle" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 14 Apr 09 - 10:20 PM 99% of all readers here don't read stuff with red letters or are obviously cut 'n posts... Try again, Sawz... Maybe if you spoke for yourself then people would read yer stuff... I don't... And the other 99% don't either... Try again, Sawz... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 14 Apr 09 - 09:01 PM West warned on nuclear terrorist threat from Pakistan Paul McGeough April 11, 2009 The next few months will be crucial in defusing a global terrorist threat that would be even deadlier than the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq, a leading Washington counter-terrorism expert warns. David Kilcullen — a former Australian army lieutenant colonel who helped devise the US troop surge that revitalised the American campaign in Iraq — fears Pakistan is at risk of falling under al-Qaeda control. If that were to happen, the terrorist group could end up controlling what Dr Kilcullen calls "Talibanistan". "Pakistan is what keeps me awake at night," said Dr Kilcullen, who was a specialist adviser for the Bush administration and is now a consultant to the Obama White House. "Pakistan has 173 million people and 100 nuclear weapons, an army which is bigger than the American army, and the headquarters of al-Qaeda sitting in two-thirds of the country which the Government does not control." Compounding that threat, the Pakistani security establishment ignored direction from the elected Government in Islamabad as waves of extremist violence spread across the whole country — not just in the tribal wilds of the Afghan border region. "We have to face the fact that if Pakistan collapses it will dwarf anything we have seen so far in whatever we're calling the war on terror now," Dr Kilcullen told The Age during an interview at his Washington office. Late last month, when US President Barack Obama unveiled his new policy on Afghanistan and Pakistan, he warned that al-Qaeda would fill the vacuum if Afghanistan collapsed, and that the terror group was already rooted in Pakistan, plotting more attacks on the US. As the US implements its new strategy in Central Asia, Dr Kilcullen warned that time was running out for international efforts to pull both countries back from the brink. Special US Envoy Richard Holbrooke has been charged with trying to broker a regional agreement by reaching out to Iran, Russia and China. Dr Kilcullen spoke highly of Mr Holbrooke's talent as a diplomat: "This is exactly what he's good at and it could work. "But will it? It requires regional architecture to give the Pakistani security establishment a sense of security, which might make them stop supporting the Taliban," he said. "The best-case scenario is that the US can deal with Afghanistan, with President Obama giving leadership while the extra American troops succeed on the ground, at the same time as Mr Holbrooke seeks a regional security deal." The worst case was that Washington would fail to stabilise Afghanistan, Pakistan would collapse and al-Qaeda would end up running what he called "Talibanistan". "This is not acceptable; you can't have al-Qaeda in control of Pakistan's missiles," he said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 14 Apr 09 - 08:49 PM "You got the damn source for burned cars along the roadway, and you just scoffed." I did noy get the source for the Source of the road ways from Bahgdad to Syria, littered with one burned out car after another in any of the three sources you swear on yore Daddy's grave you get your "facts" from. Nor have I seen the source for the M-16 nyth and the bad gas myth. Instead you scoff and post bumper sticker answers. "When we ask you for your sources all we get is either silence or the same old *bumper sticker* answers." Mr two faced Bobert says this forum should be called the Deadcat Cafe. He likes to come here and light up stink bombs and laugh at the jerks. "But I still drop by and mess with 'em jus' fir fun Author: Bobert Date: 06-05-03 22:17 Heck with the Catbox. They done messed it up when they made the riff-raff satnd outside. Now they can have their little shack back and discuss how many angels will fit on the end of a pin until the cows come home..... They ougtta call it "DeadCat Cafe". This joint has more class in its dandriff than that joint had in its hayday! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Barry Finn Date: 14 Apr 09 - 07:59 PM Are you talking to "HammerHead"? Cuz if you are everything to him looks like a nail & he's gonna strike it, right or wrong. And his beat goes on,,and,,on,,,and,,on Barry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 14 Apr 09 - 07:34 PM Yeah, TIA, Sawz hates it when he's wrong... You'd think that he'd have grown accustomed to it by now... Go figure??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 13 Apr 09 - 11:25 PM You got the damn source for burned cars along the roadway, and you just scoffed. No point in wasting time reading the newspaper to a bag of hammers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 13 Apr 09 - 07:47 AM Taking ownership came with the job... What was Obama to do??? Tell Bush he could have an office down the hall just for the purpose of running an immoral war??? Some serious fuzzy thinking out there... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Apr 09 - 10:00 PM WSJ: Mr. Obama's Surge He'll need some of Bush's fortitude to resist the crossfire from left and right. President Obama unveiled his strategy for the war in Afghanistan yesterday, and there is much to like in it. Our main question -- and, we suspect, the world's -- is whether the new Commander in Chief is really prepared to devote the resources and political capital that his plan will need to succeed. Such fortitude is essential because this new Afghan-Pakistan campaign will be both long and expensive. The President's claim yesterday that "the situation is increasingly perilous" overstates the immediate trouble; Afghanistan has nowhere near the level of violence that consumed Iraq in 2006 before President Bush's surge. But denying the "Afpak" border as a safe haven for al Qaeda and the worst Taliban elements will tax the patience of an already war-weary American public. All the more so because Mr. Obama himself has spent so much time questioning America's antiterrorist mission abroad. While he tried, during the campaign, to distinguish Iraq (Bush's war) from Afghanistan (the good war), the truth is that they are both exercises in counterinsurgency and nation building. The irony is that both tasks are arguably easier in Iraq, because of its denser population and history of a stronger central government. Mr. Obama barely mentioned foreign policy in his recent address to Congress. And with his vast domestic agenda, the temptation of political adviser David Axelrod will be to have Mr. Obama give this one speech and drop the subject. That is a good way to discover a year from now that he has opponents emerging on both his left and right in Congress. The left is already restless, with Les Gelb now writing that "We can't defeat the Taliban" and we should thus gradually withdraw. That is the same Les Gelb who was Vice President Joe Biden's strategic partner in writing in 2006 that the surge was doomed and Iraq had to be partitioned. Mr. Biden was reportedly an internal skeptic about Mr. Obama's new strategy. On the right, many Republicans will also begin to question the mission, much as Tom DeLay opposed Bill Clinton on the Balkans. Mr. Obama could help here if he could manage to bring himself to speak well of our success in Iraq. The Baghdad surge shows the U.S. can learn from its mistakes and prevail in a long counterinsurgency, and a President should celebrate that achievement. Yet Mr. Obama kept falling back yesterday on his campaign trope that Afghanistan would be going well now if not for the detour in Iraq. It's more accurate to say that Afghanistan got markedly worse after Pakistan's government cut its 2006 deal in Waziristan that created a Taliban sanctuary. Mr. Obama is not going to sustain GOP support by continuing to campaign against George W. Bush. For all of those political caveats, we believe the war is winnable. And Mr. Obama's strategy takes some important steps. The most significant is to reclaim the battle from NATO, which never really wanted the job. The U.S. will create a new command in Southern Afghanistan, where U.S. and Afghan troops will apply the lessons of Iraq. The irony here is that Mr. Obama is asserting U.S. primacy from the failing "multilateralism" of the Bush Administration, which made the mistake of assuming Europeans really believed in the fight. In the end, as usual, the 60,000 or so Yanks will have to do the bloodiest fighting and the Germans can man the supply lines out of harm's way. Another step forward is the commitment of 4,000 more GIs to train and expand the Afghan army to 134,000 troops by 2011. We agree with strategists who say the ultimate goal should be 250,000 or more -- making the army a major employer and source of national unity. But Mr. Obama is right to say that Afghans will eventually have to learn to defend their own country. Mr. Obama made much yesterday of an allegedly new willingness to engage elements of the Taliban. This is hardly as revolutionary as it sounds, since U.S. troops did something similar in Anbar Province in Iraq. It makes sense to try to peel away tribal chiefs and others who may be "Taliban" only because they are paid to be, or afraid not to be. But over time this will only work if the U.S. and Afghans can persuade these Taliban-for-hire that the allies can provide security against al Qaeda and the real Taliban. Also mark us down as skeptics about his new call for "benchmarks" for the Pakistan and Afghanistan governments. As we learned in Iraq, benchmarks can measure the wrong things amid larger progress, and they also make it easier for Congress to find fault. No doubt both Kabul and Islamabad can do more as allies, but the best way to ensure that is with a broad, sustained U.S. commitment, not with what sound like orders from Washington. Perhaps the best news in yesterday's speech is that Mr. Obama has now taken ownership of this war. One lesson he can learn from Iraq is that -- as hard as the fighting may get and as vociferous as the opposition at home may become -- Mr. Obama now has an obligation to stay the course until our soldiers can return home in victory and with honor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 12 Apr 09 - 09:52 PM Obama January 19, 2007: "I cannot in good conscience support this escalation. It is a policy which has already been tried and a policy which has failed. Just this morning, I had veterans of the Iraq war visit my office to explain to me that this surge concept is, in fact, no different from what we have repeatedly tried, but with 20,000 troops, we will not in any imaginable way be able to accomplish any new progress." Obama April 7, 2009: "You have given Iraq the opportunity to stand on its own as a democratic country, we have made enormous progress working alongside the Iraqi government" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 30 Mar 09 - 02:00 PM Bobert: "Now as fir other blogs???? I don't go to any of them... What you get from me is gleaned strictly from the Washington Post, The New York Times and the TV news... Nuthin' more!!! Allnatural, here... If I happen to see things the same way as some anti-Bush blogs see things then, hey, means we're both payin' attention.... But I swaer on my daddy's grave that these are my sources and I don't need nobody to tell me what to think or how to defend the postions I take... And I take that very seriously..." Bobert: "When we ask you for your sources all we get is either silence or the same old *bumper sticker* answers." Source of the M-16 gold plated or otherwise Please? Source of the road ways from Bahgdad to Syria, littered with one burned out car after another please? Source of US even provided the bad gas that was used against the Kurds please? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 28 Mar 09 - 09:17 AM Normal... The Mudville Axis-of-Evilers ain't into reading much other than rightie blogs for fear that the truth might find them and then they would have to reconsider their support for this most immoral war... I doubt seriously if Sawz, for instant, bothered to look at the pics that I had made reference to... Just doesn't fit into his mythology... Garbage in, garbage out... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: TIA Date: 28 Mar 09 - 08:49 AM You have no clue what I read. Apparently you have no clue what you read either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Teribus Date: 28 Mar 09 - 02:16 AM "so now Iraq has been elevated as the new playground for the rich and famous??? A real tourist trap... The place to be... Smoke another joint, T..." - Bobert Naw Bobert I'll leave that sort of puerile crap to you judging by the effect its had on your brains. Rich and famous eh?? The party consisted of 5 British, 2 Americans and 1 Canadian, among their occupations: - Civil Servant - Businessman - Retired Sub-Postmaster - Former U.S. Probation Officer - Archaeologist The last one there Bobert is 77 years old and normally goes on her holidays to ..................... AFGHANISTAN In answer to your question TIA none. My holidays this year are booked up with anniversaries and Folk Festivals. But there again I was not the one suggesting that anybody should go to Iraq - maybe you should go yourself and actually find out what is going on there rather than sit on your backside gulping down as gospel everything you read in all those left-wing anti-war blogs you read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: TIA Date: 28 Mar 09 - 12:48 AM Teribus, Which of those three airports will you be flying into for holiday this summer? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:42 PM Yo, bumper sticker... That addie didn't work... Not that I really want to see the pictures, mind you, but seems as if Sawz missed all of 2002 thru 2009 so I thought maybe a refresher course might be in order... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 09 - 07:34 PM Oh, so now Iraq has been elevated as the new playground for the rich and famous??? A real tourist trap... The place to be... Smoke another joint, T... (But, Boberdz... That's why all those American service people are there... It's r & r for them...) Oh??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Teribus Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:49 PM Well Guest TIA if he wanted to he has the choice of three airports he could fly into Irbil, Baghdad or Basra. Irbil has been open for tourists since 2005. The link I advised Bobert to look at was from the BBC covering the story of a party of tourists who flew into Irbil and travelled the length of Iraq visiting the all the main tourist sites, they were there for 17 days with no escorts, no security. Now would you like to try that down by the Mexican border? Where I believe since 2008 over 6000 people have been killed, now that is in 15 months Guest TIA, since Afghanistan what has been the number of US fatalities fighting two wars over a period of eight years? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 09 - 06:39 PM Seems that every step you take, Saws, there a steaming pile of fresh dung just awaiting for you... Maybe you ougtta just give it a rest, man... You are an embaressment to your side... BTW, thanks to GUEST, "Bumper Sticker" and Amos for providing the sources... I've got a good memory and am an NPR-addict so I listen to lot's of stuff while I am ***working***... Hey, I can remember the stories but I it's either work or sit there and make notes on every source... Unlike a couple of the axis of evil dwellers here I have to work... Thanks again, guys... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: GUEST,TIA Date: 27 Mar 09 - 05:49 PM Seems to me you were shown pictures and description of burned out cars and wartime destruction along the roadway, and you scoffed at them because you have seen burned out cars in the US. Are you saying Iraq is as safe and happy as the US? Have you been there? Will you be vacationing there? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Mar 09 - 03:12 PM Ok Amos, Bobert has changed his claim to a non gold plated m-16 and he refuses to disclose the source. Where did you learn about those gold plated AK-47s and who gave them to Saddam? And where is the source for Bobert's claim that "we read about road ways from Bahgdad to Syria, littered with one burned out car after another with burned corpses" Now he has added the claim that the Bush administration has suppressed photos of that may somehow comfirm his mythical story. Hey Bobert the plumber, the burden of proof is on you. That is what you want others to do. Do your own heavy lifting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Amos Date: 27 Mar 09 - 02:20 PM Sawzall: It was not, as far as I know, a gold M-16, but multiple gold-plated gold AK-47s. By the way, here's a description you should read of the kind of new reality Bush initiated when he started the invasion. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:28 PM Republican and Democratic administrations have upheld the ban, but have also made notable exceptions, which some observers view as politically expedient. For example, under President Bill Clinton in October 2000, the Pentagon distributed photographs of coffins arriving at Dover bearing the remains of military personnel killed in the bombing of the USS Cole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Mar 09 - 01:21 PM "the Bush administration did a fine job of keeping certain pics outta the media, including pics of caskets at Dover Airforce Base" Defense Chief Lifts Ban on Pictures of Coffins February 26, 2009 WASHINGTON — In a reversal of an 18-year-old military policy that critics said was hiding the ultimate cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the news media will now be allowed to photograph the coffins of America's war dead as their bodies are returned to the United States, but only if the families of the dead agree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 27 Mar 09 - 12:52 PM What I asked for is the source of "we read about road ways from Bahgdad to Syria, littered with one burned out car after another with burned corpses" in one of the three sources Bobert claims to get all his stuff from. In short, reported where? I see some pics of burned out cars on the road from Baghdad to Jordan in the link above similar to burned up vehicles I have seen along the highways here in the US. I guess Bushco let a few slip through after all, or more likely they were not suppressed at all, just non-existent except in conflated propaganda that Bobert cannot reveal the source of like his mythological M-16 rifle. Everybody is invited to participate. Anyway we need to get this myth confirmed or busted so we can move on the "US even provided the bad gas that was used against the Kurds" Myth. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: GUEST,*bumper sticker* Date: 27 Mar 09 - 10:49 AM From the American Friends Service Committee: "Several convoys of Christian Peacekeeper Teams (CPT) and Voices in the Wilderness volunteers and staff have left Baghdad in the past week {late March, 2003}. They've all taken the main road that leads from Baghdad to Amman, Jordan. The pictures on this page show images of war and destruction encountered by one CPT group along that road. Pictures here: http://www.afsc.org/Iraq/ht/d/ContentDetails/i/2989 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 27 Mar 09 - 08:06 AM The incidents were well reported, Sawz... But the Bush administration did a fine job of keeping certain pics outta the media, including pics of caskets at Dover Airforce Base... But I'm sure that with all the time you have on your hands that if you spent just a few minutes you could find the pics somewhere on the internet... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Sawzaw Date: 26 Mar 09 - 10:53 PM Hey Mr. infinite source of wisdom Amos: Do you know anything about those mythological accounts Bobert asserts that "we read about road ways from Bahgdad to Syria, littered with one burned out car after another with burned corpses"? When we ask him for sources all we get is either silence or the same old *bumper sticker* answers. Perhaps you can confirm that these accounts ever existed and his source. Otherwise this myth is busted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Bobert Date: 26 Mar 09 - 05:26 PM My bad... That was 100 terrorists incidents per "month", not week... That was reproted on NPR just last week... I listen to NPR all day long because the radio is my only company where my office has been for the last month or so which continues to be the under belly of the 200 year old hotel that I am having to replumb... No, al qeada gave up because the Sunnis came to the realization that al qeada didn't need to be in Iraq... Period... As for electricity, T, you can Google it up yerself... It has been a constant story on NPR over the course of the war so it shouldn't be too hard for you to find sources... You have nothin' but time on yer hands... BTW, the new joke is about the Green Zone where they have electricity 24 hours a a day... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Why Iraq Was a Mistake, Teribus... From: Amos Date: 26 Mar 09 - 03:41 PM The Insanity of Mismamanagement:How the IRaq Army was Forced to Fight the Americans. AN interesting series of interviews with some of those who were there the day the Iraq Army was disbanded by Wolfowitz, possibly Bush, and a few other select unqualified meatheads with painful consequences. A |
