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Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace

Lizzie Cornish 1 25 Jan 09 - 06:13 AM
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Subject: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:13 AM

Lately I've noticed that quite a few musicians seem to have their music turned to 'off' on their pages, so that it's left to the visitor to the page to turn the music on.

As a member of the 'audience' out here, I just wanted to say that I think it's a baaaaaaaaaaaaad idea.

Be proud of your music! Make sure it starts the moment people visit your page, after all, you're a MUSICIAN, and if they don't want to listen to your music, they don't have to visit.

But please, don't let your music not be heard, because some may well visit and not realise that *they* have to start the music player. They'll just click on the page, hear no music, assume it's not working, then click off again.

Let your music be HEARD!


At least, that's my opinion, others may think differently....

:0)


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: bald headed step child
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:39 AM

I differ in opinion in that I tend to surf the web while listening to cd's and when coming across a site that autoplays the music, it can be annoying to not be able to find the off button.

If you have a web site, simply make the controls obvious, and then there won't be any problems either way, IMHO.

BHSC


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:09 AM

But, why would you be looking at people's music pages, particularly Myspace, whilst not wanting to listen to their music?   

(puzzled smiley)


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:30 AM

there are plenty of other things on the pages besides the actual music that one can be looking for.

Also I find it annoying if I'm listening to the music on one page, click on a link to one of their friends, and then you have 2 lots of music going until you find the off button!


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: bald headed step child
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:48 AM

I might also be listening to my favorite song from their last cd while looking for info on their new cd, when the latest single starts blaring on top of the song already playing.

It is rather annoying, I've had it happen several times.8}

BHSC


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:51 AM

Well, I *love* the music floating out instantly, because those first few seconds 'grab me' and reel me in..

I've found loads of pages from 'those first few seconds' where my ears have gone WOW!


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:23 AM

Why would anybody want to look at a page that belonged to a fascist billionaire media mogul in the first place?

There are plenty of alternative to MySpace that work better and don't help sell tits, bums and monetarism.

If ANY site auto-plays music at me I will instantly hit the close button and never go back.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:33 AM

Blimey, how miserable!


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 08:34 AM

Lizzie,

Normally I'd agree, with the exception of the Guidecats page that you linked up with recently. This one will be used by many visually impaired people who rely on audio word recognition to read the text, and thus would find it hard to do this if the music was playing at the same time.

That's why I've deliberately switched off autoplay.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:26 AM

If you have autoplay on, I'm not going to be visiting--at least not long enough to hear anything.

I'm still on a dial-up on this computer. I want to have a choice what to hear before music just starts blaring out in fits and starts (because I'm on a dial-up).
I also can't even read the text if my computer is trying to load music files the size of small planets.

It's a decision I want to make. If it feels to me like I knocked on someone's door, they opened it and shoved a boom box in my face, I will get the hell out of there so fast I'll leave little cartoon WHOOOOOSH lines. (Unfortunately, that means I stay away from Peace's page, and I'm sorry, but I can't stand it.)

Getting people to enjoy your page means giving them something they want to hear in a manner they want to hear it. It does NOT mean forcing them to hear something because YOU think they need to. I never could stand someone else trying to run my life, even a brief, small part of it.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 09:54 AM

Yeesh!

No wonder so many musicians struggle to get their music heard, with the kind of attitudes above. I truly cannot believe some of the things I'm reading here.

I so very often just click on musician's pages, Bruce's included, PURELY to hear the music, have it playing for a short while, whilst I'm getting ready in the mornings, or if I'm telling a friend about certain music I've found...we'll listen to a few tracks here, a few there. And it's a great way to hear new songs, tracks, that have been put up.

Why don't you all (with the exception of Dave, 'Acorn') seem to be able to enjoy the music, instead of getting enraged? It's beyond me, utterly beyond me.

I've got Reg Meuross's myspace playing at the moment.. :0)

You know, you can always turn the music off, by the way.

Hey ho...


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:18 AM

I agree the attitude makes it harder to get music heard, but it's your attitude, not mine.

You don't have a clue how the mess sounds on a dial-up. I get a 3 minutes of loading, 2 seconds of a song, 2 more minutes loading, a few more seconds of song, more minutes of loading and a couple seconds of the next song.

I'd voluntarily listen, but you don't give me a choice, so your attitude of 'my way or no way' means I don't hear them... at least on MySpace. YouTube will let me hit 'pause' and load individual videos so I can play them all at once instead of the way they come across on MySpace.

Give me a choice, and I might listen. Data-bomb me and I'll figure the page has more to do with the creator and what THEY want than the music, and I won't bother.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:49 AM

Geez!

Sorry, Jeri, but, imo, you are WAY out of line here. You seem to have something personal going on, which is beyond me. You wanna know why I started this thread? Because today I went into Ron's (Bankley) page, as I wanted to put his music on my page today to play, his new song 'Jabaliya'...and I noticed that Ron has his music turned off. It reminded me that quite a few pages I've visited lately have done that too, and that, to me, is sometimes a missed opportunity for their music to be heard. (see OP above)

For your information I have the same problem with Youtube, stopping and starting every few minutes, it drives me nuts. It happens every single day, because I'm on aol, and it's an aol problems. Between the hours of around midday and 10pm, I can rarely hear anything all the way through, constant stops and starts. Does it stop me from using Youtube? Nope. Does it stop me from posting Youtube links on here, or elsewhere, in the hope that it will help artists get their music out? Nope. And over here in the UK, Youtube autostarts too.

I know, from having spoken to so many musicians via the internet, and having read Mudcat and so many others boards, that so very many of them struggle like crazy, not just to make a living, but to get their music out there in the first place..and therefore *whatever* I can do to help I will do. It incenses me that so much talent isn't known about. I certainly won't get sniffy and snoffy about it, for they are the most important people in this, no-one else.

Luckily, most people who do go to the musicians pages in Myspace go there hoping to discover some incredible music, and so very often, that is *exactly* what they get to hear.

If you want to switch anyone's music off whilst your computer loads up, then just do it. But, if you wanna throw a hissyfit over it and walk away, giving that artist no support whatsoever..well, that's your choice too. Whatever makes you happy.


And sorry if I sound a little p*ssed off, here, but I didn't start this thread to get into a scrap, or have personal abuse slung at me. I'm really disappointed though to see such miserable comments, instead of supportive ones...but hey, that's another reason why so many deeply talented people spend their lives struggling to get their music heard.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:50 AM

And Lizzie, I'm just sayin'...

There's a whole level of cyberspace that's off limits to this computer, with this connection. I don't know how many of us dinosaurs there are out here, but either we matter or we don't.

There may be loads of folks out there who like all the bells and whistles, and like not having to make decisions about what to listen to. I'm just one person who can't deal with those things.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 10:59 AM

On YouTube, if you hit the pause button at the start and keep it paused until the whole thing loads, you can listen to it uninterrupted.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 11:39 AM

What is much worse is going to a page and having to wait for about FIVE minutes for it to load because the owner has put SO many videos on it. Lizzie might knows the one I mean...

Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly… stupid.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 12:13 PM

I agree with Lizzie. Mine autostarts. Right now it starts with King Orfeo (Child #19) self-accompanied on a Nepalese singing-bowl (wait a second or two & check the Naked Season banner!):

http://www.myspace.com/sedayne

Rapunzel's does too; it starts with the demo of Blackwaterside we recorded a couple of weeks back (turn it up at the beginning to hear the wind howling in at our window!):

http://www.myspace.com/rachelmccarron

And on our duo site, we begin with the recording of A Woodcutter's Song (Logs to Burn) we made for Radio Britfolk's 2007 seasonal selection - a nice one for a cold Sunday evening:

http://www.myspace.com/venereumarvum


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 01:05 PM

I'm with Jeri on this. I'm stuck with a dial-up connection myself as I can't get broadband despite living just outside one of the biggest cities in the country. I've been online since about 1995 and have wanted broadband since 1997.

However, this isn't about belligerence (in either my part or, I'd imagine, Jeri's) it's more about practicality and a liitle lack of consideration for others. I doubt either of us are kill-joys as we're both actually interested in music - hence us both being here and trying to look at performers' web sites!

The reason I look at artists' MySpace pages is for a variety of reasons: to see whether there's any new releases, any gigs coming up, any new photos and so on. I won't deny that music per se is the primary reason that I'm interested in seeing a performer's page (I don't think I've ever liked an artist because of the way they look in photos!) but whilst I'm on the net, I might already be listening to music (of my choice) on my computer. I think 'choice' is always important, I should have a choice as to whether I listen to music or not - even if it's a performer I like - and particularly when there's an issue about whether it cripples my browsing experience.

It's not just a case of being able to 'turn it off' either as, quite often, pages grind to a halt and hang before I get the opportunity to actually turn them off.

I'll also admit that I'll sometimes download or rip the stream from MySpace (st    r   e   am i    n       g    is    l          i      k   e       th         i    s          on    d    i    a    l       u    p). It might take me up to an hour to download a single song, but at least I get to hear it as it's meant to be heard and I get the choice about whether I want to hear it.

My partner's broadband connection can be very slow on things like YouTube - like Lizzie points out - but whilst it's irritating, it's just not as bad as what the likes of Jeri and I experience on many, many more places than just YouTube.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 01:33 PM

I wasn't having a personal issue, and wyrdolar... wyridla... wyrdolafr has it in a nutshell. Not personal, but definitely frustrating. If I just keep telling myself that people don't really hate me but MySpace just wasn't meant for me, I'm OK. Kinda like what Tantalus should have done with with his lunch.

And Lizzie, I think it's a GOOD thing you do for artists by creating pages for them. Just because I can't get them doesn't change that.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 03:12 PM

You don't have to have the sound turned on on your PC do you?


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: open mike
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 04:13 PM

from another dial-up user..
the pages are best if the one who is opening them had the choice to play or not...i sometimes have several pages open, and they jump in with a cacaphony...which is, as it says, caca.

i am pro=choice here....

and each individual needs to be able to choose according to their
system, equipment and limitation.

not everyone is capable of seeing and loading video and audio
applications.

and no-one should assume that they are.

consider the audience. you wouldn't play songs in a concert
that you knew would offend the ticket buying public, and this
should hold true on line too. web pages need to be designed
for the ease of the person who searches for them, not jsut
what the "owner" can cram into or onto them.

sorry, lizzie, you are out voted..

for instance, the martha stewart page that i opened 15
minutes ago in order to put a URL in guy wolff's thread
just now started blathering on about a recipe for salmon.

i did not go there to find out about that...and it was annoying.

some people put so many additional gee gaws on their pages..
animation, "pimp my page" features, games, etc. that the clutter
is next to impossible to sort out.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Tootler
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 04:35 PM

I'm not keen on MySpace music starting automatically because I like to choose which tracks I wish to learn to and do not like to have it imposed on me.

If I had a MySpace music site, I would turn off autoplay and leave it to the site visitors to choose what they want to listen to.

I used to have midi files autoplay on my own website but I have gradually been removing them because I know many people find it irritating. If you want to put background music on a website, that's fine. But please leave site visitors the choice of whether to turn it on or off. At the end of the day, it is simply good manners.

No, Lizzie, I think your attitude is misguided. Also when people disagree with you, have courtesy to respect that. Everyone who has disagreed with you in this thread has explained their reasons for disagreeing, yet the tone of some of their replies seems to imply that they are idiots.

Having autoplay turned off still gives site visitors the choice of turning the music on.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: open mike
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 04:44 PM

hear, hear.

here, here.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:07 PM

Sorry, I don't understand all this 'impose' and 'control' 'run my life' kind of thing going on here.

It's simply a music site, where you visit people's pages to listen to their music, read and find out about them, maybe watch some videos, find paths to other musicians too.

What I see here is crossness from people who can't access myspace properly. I'm sorry that some of you can't. I can't access Youtube for most of the day, and **nothing** I do will alter that. If I try to access ANY Tripod site, my computer locks up because of their adverts, sometimes my computer locks up from the adverts on Myspace or many other sites, and I'm on Broadband! Facebook sends my computer (and my brain) absolutely barmy, slowing it down beyond belief and again, locking it up.

Musicians aren't trying to 'control' me, or you, they are simply putting their music in the shop window, one track at a time, and saying, "Here we are, we hope you like it.".....nothing more.

If you want to have 13 pages up at once, or whatever, well, that's entirely your choice and nothing to do with Myspace or any other site, you can't expect sites to take that into consideration. Each internet site is different.

If you read my original post, I was saying that there are many people out there who'll switch a page on, then think the music player isn't working, because it's not playing, never realising that they have to start it themselves, and yes, it does happen, believe you me. Potential customers lost? Very possibly.

When people disagree with me, I have the right to disagree back, Tootler, so please, with all respect, don't tell me how to write. Thank you. I took umbridge at a somewhat personal post, for which Jeri has now apologised, and I accept her apology.

Someone mentioned earlier on that they have to wait ages for my page to load as I've so many videos on it. Fair enough. But some things are worth waiting for, and believe you me, I've some darned great musicians on my page, and nope, I don't want to lose any of their videos. So if you want to see them, then you have to wait, depending on what type of computer you have. My son's one brings the page up instantly, far faster than mine. He has no delay problems with it at all.

Myspace music is just that. Music. It's the part of Myspace where the Musicians go, so...there's er...going to be music playing.

It would be great to see some more celebration going on in here rather than moaning.

We live in such a wonderful age of technology, we have so much access to so many things...and to be able to hear a whole wide world of music is just the bestest thing! I don't want silence. I want Salsa Celtica beating that path to my door, whilst I samba along with them!
I want The Oysterband to get me Singing in Seconds...and I'll even hiccup my way through Youtube during the day and evening, because despite the agonising wait I can generally get the gist of things through the coughs and splutters...As I said, it drives me nuts, but I realise the importance of it, the way it gets many messages out, so much music out..and I'll continue to support it, and use it whenever I can, despite the major problems I have with it, because I think the musicians are worth every single moment of the difficulties I encounter.

If people want to choose which tracks to listen to, then turn OFF the button and decide. But I think to expect musicians to hide their wares behind a closed curtain, just so you can decide whether to peek in the window, or not, and feel that you're not being 'imposed' upon is a terrible idea.

SO MUCH beautiful, wondrous, powerful music and musicians I've discovered from those magical notes that hit my ears instantly, and within seconds, it's Love At First Sound going on..

I guess I *enjoy* hearing all the music, tremendously, I've an absolute passion about it, but hell, I LOVE looking in shop windows and I love musicians wanting to bring me their music.

Can't get enough of it!

:0)


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: RTim
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:15 PM

Even if a MySpace user sets the system to play a track automatically
does not mean that it takes longer to load that page.

The person signing in can still even then - or when the songs are
randomly played - as on my own sight, you can still select an
alternative track - so I don't see a problem.

Many more problems are caused by sites that have many many videos
available - then it DOES take ages for the page to load!

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Tootler
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:30 PM

When people disagree with me, I have the right to disagree back, Tootler, so please, with all respect, don't tell me how to write. Thank you.

For some reason, pots kettle and black spring to mind!


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:43 PM

Hi Lizzie & other music lovers: Ya wanna know what I think? No? We'll I'm gonna tell you ANYWAY. Lizzie is 100% right on this one. Lemme tell ya why....Going on MySpace and not expecting to hear music on artist's pages is NUM NUM. 3 Stooges would nyack nyack you on that one. THINK of MySpace as one humongous RADIO STATION. You are dialing channels and not only do you get music, but unlike radio, you get a story, and pictures, and links...

Am I smarter than you, we'll uh, no...but I do KNOW this...I've been working non-stop for 3 YEARS on promoting my humble 2 tracks with the goal of doing a lot more, and in other genres. I have sent out nearly 50, 000 emails to EVERYBODY that would listen. The Indie Bible, College Radio, Mainstream Radio, Internet Radio, Satellite Radio, Low-Power Radio, Fashion Magazines, Models, Rap Stations, Music Execs, FilmMakers....EV-RE-FRNERK-ING BO-DY. Do you HEAR me?
See, I think Mudcat has a disease. I call it "The Mudcat Dis-Ease." Everybody talks, nobody LISTENS. They post and argue, post and argue, like it was some kind of BAR without the PINTS in Cyberspace. Do you think that God was STOOPID when he gave you one mouth and TWO ears? No, he wanted you to LISTEN more than talk.

So, right now, I've got 11,914 Friends/Fans on MySpace. God Bless every single one of them. 37,005 Profile Views, and thousands upon thousands of plays on my songs. Did ANYBODY Be-atch because of autoplaying? Hell, NO!

What they did do is ASK to be my friend. Mother's whose children have died. Reqs from every kind of Faith you can think of. My tunes are in nearly 100 COUNTRIES. Nashville Session Pros ask ME what I think of THEIR SONGS! Radio Stations ask ME if THEY can play my songs. As a former PolyGram Records Monkey, I can tell you THAT IS UNHEARD OF!
Especially for a "nobody" with a funny, unpronouceable Polish name.

MySpace is a Gift from God for musicians. Why you would want to hide from using it's full potential ASTOUNDS me.

It is a known fact that more MySpace Friends= more SALES in the digital shops, and CD's.
Anybody that tells you that MySpace doesn't do anything is an IDIOT. They sit on their AZZES and do NOTHING. So whatcha think the result, FOR THEM is. Yo, you got it. 0...

You CANNOT throw up a website, create a MySpace page, do a vid on YouTube and watch the money flow in. SURPRISE! You have to WORK. On PROMOTING yourself. On MAINTAINING THE COMMUNICATION. I've been a Director of Marketing for several companies, made them money, now I'm using the SAME techniques(upgraded for CyberSpace) and I'm Marketing MYSELF.

I could go on for DAYS telling you the positive things that have happened to me using Digital Media. If you are the type that wants another pint and play dunta dunta for the audience in some pub, GO FOR IT. I'll be sending out more emails while you do that...

And remember, you got that pause button on MySpace. AND, video capabilities, and photo ops. READ THE MANUAL!

I LOVE it when I go on YouTube and "Insight" tells me my vids are most popular in Peru, Honduras, Russia....Russia? Yes kids, as I've said before, THIS IS THE INTERNET, not a private club, or social tea...

Did anybody hear me? Don't much matter. I get up in the morning and do what I feel like doing...Glorious!

bob


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:47 PM

Lizzie Cornish 1 wrote: "Sorry, I don't understand all this 'impose' and 'control' 'run my life' kind of thing going on here".

Lizzie, the issue of 'control' not some OCD-related control freakery, or touchy-feely New Age self-help thing. From my point of view, it's about practicality. Quite often, media-rich sites like MySpace cause my computer to grind to a halt and occasionally hang altogether. I lose control over my PC.

To put it another way, non-auto starting music presents the broadband user the option of turning music on which takes a very, very short period of time which is nothing in terms of inconvenience compared to the hassle it causes someone like me.

You've mentioned turning off the music, but I don't think you understand even that's not the instantaneous solution that it will be on your machine. Depending on how much media content there is on a single page (it's not a case of having "13 pages up at once, or whatever"), even turning it off can be an issue because I'm not just having to wait for the music to stream but also the actual player software to load. If that's taking too long - because there's so much media content - then it's a nightmare

I'm not sure you genuinely understand about the problems this can cause. I mean that in the sense that perhaps you've never had to use dial-up or when you did (perhaps in the past) it was before the likes of MySpace and YouTube were around or took-off, rather than anything else! To put that into perspective, and give your point about waiting to see videos or hear music, if I want to watch a single YouTube clip that last say around 4 minutes or so, it might take me the best part of 2 hours waiting and not being able to browse anything else on my computer for those 2 hours.

Again, that's a single YouTube clip by the way, if there's 4 or 5 YouTube clips trying to buffer away on a single clip, then I've literally no way of seeing them as my dial-up connection terminates every 2 hours which means that with so many trying to buffer at once, I wouldn't even get to see a single one because my 2 hour connection would end before any of them managed to load. "Waiting" for something to load become meaningless and takes on a Sisyphean quality.

All the things you complain about regarding "coughs and splutters", certain adds locking your machine up, well you admit you're on broadband. Try and imagine that (literally) 10x worse and you've some idea about what the rest of us are talking about.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: bankley
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:52 PM

while I'm still tryin' to hear the smoke signals.....


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 05:59 PM

GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz wrote: "THINK of MySpace as one humongous RADIO STATION".

A radio that plays music even if I just look at it? Not when I turn it on? No thanks.


"You are dialing channels and not only do you get music, but unlike radio, you get a story, and pictures, and links..."

This kind of undermines not only the radio analogy but any idea that a performer's page is about solely listening to their music. As I said myself earlier on in the thread, when I go to an artist's site I'm not necessarily interested in hearing their music there and then - even when I'm using someone's broadband connection. I usually have their albums for that anyway. I'll go because I'm interested in news updates, blogs, pictures and so on.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:09 PM

I DO have a fast broadband connection, and *I* also hate ANYTHING to be on autostart. I want to have the option of listening to WHICH song I want, if there are several- and I want to be able to set my PC's volume if necessary...and as already noted, if I happen to have other sounds playing, I don't want conflict.

I want to wander in, look around, and choose what & when to do there.

(To even expand on the concept, I strongly object to pages that have "target=blank" code which forces clinking on links to open in a new tab or window. There is an easy way to ASK your browser to open the link in a new tab/window, but it is VERY hard to stop it from doing so. [I do know how, but it requires a special program and special settings IN that program])

The simple answer is, as mentioned, to make stuff an option, with clearly visible & easily operated controls. It should take only one click to PLAY a song, but it may take several to restore peace between MY PC and YOUR website.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:10 PM

wyrdolafr & others: Would you ride a bicycle on the Autobahn? It's YOU that has to catch up with the rest of the world. Buy a new computer...

(Reminds me of the old story of the mother who looks at her son marching in the Army, "Look, everybody is out of step except my boy!")

Can't afford one? What can I tell you?

Would you expect to plug in your crystal set radio from 1955 into a home theatre, high-def, surround sound set-up and get great reception?       THIMK!(I love that one, don't know who came up with it, but it's a good-un.)

You can't receive emails on your toaster. You could TRY. But I think you'll have to wait a long time...
bob


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:26 PM

Bob Ryszkiewicz wrote: wyrdolafr & others: Would you ride a bicycle on the Autobahn? It's YOU that has to catch up with the rest of the world. Buy a new computer...

(Reminds me of the old story of the mother who looks at her son marching in the Army, "Look, everybody is out of step except my boy!")

Can't afford one? What can I tell you?"

My advice to you, Bob, is that you read my first post in this thread.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM

Some of you seem to be the kind of people who walk into McDonald's and ask for Chinese food...

Or the kind that show up to a Hockey game with a basketball...

WAIT A MINUTE! Just found out somebody is promoting me in, WASSAT? A-rab? Thanks to all you Arabs or whatever language this is in...I WILL go out for some Falafel, I promise,
http://www.cineversity.tv/AE/radio/canada/Bob_Ryszkiewicz
Now y'all be sure to buy my record...At iTunes, Amazon.com, e-Music, Rhapsody, Napster, Zune. ALL Major Digital Distributors, and MORE on the way! And, see the vids on YouTube, Imeem, MySpace, Daily Motion, New Music Canada-CBC,
MetaCafe, Yahoo, hell, just about EVERYWHERE...

BooYeah...

bob


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:31 PM

Yay, Bob!! :0)


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:38 PM

Aren't all of Insane Beard's videos on YouTube anyway? He surely isn't seriously expecting everybody to go to MurdochSpace for them?

I've found some of the additions to Firefox very useful for this sort of stuff - they block all scripting by default, and block autoload of Flash content. Instead, I get a control that I can click on to start each Flash element on the page if and when I want to. So I never see auto-loaded Flash adverts. The content that I really want to see and hear loads a lot quicker as a result. I haven't been hit by automatic music for months.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:41 PM

wyrdolafr: This is merely God's way of telling you that you should move. No, that Papa John's in Chicago will NOT deliver the X-tra large 4-Cheese Pizza Special to your place either. Not unless you are a REAL BIG TIPPER.

But, here's the good news. This is probably a SIGN from the Creator that it is YOU who have been chosen to call the appropriate agencies and kick some AZZ so's you can get what you want.

The world won't be changing for you, unless you do something...
bob


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 06:54 PM

" THINK of MySpace as one humongous RADIO STATION."

No, thank you, Bob. First... it is NOT a radio station. I know how to find & use internet radio channels, and I plan accordingly when opening them. Second, as already mentioned, there is more stuff on MySpace,etc. than music.

and with the attitude of ".I've been working non-stop for 3 YEARS on promoting my humble 2 tracks with the goal of doing a lot more,...", I doubt that I will care for your style anyway.

Let me rephrase that line I quoted: THINK of MySpace as one humongous way to make your music available, not as a way to shove it at folks who are just passing by.


There are subtle but important differences between polite 'promotion' of your music and agressive 'pushing' it at people.


(oh no...I don't really expect you to change any habits because of me, but as you have seen, I have company in my feelings)


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:13 PM

I'm a bit shocked at how emotionally invested some people are in their opinions. We don't all agree, but I don't think that should be a big deal. I don't understand the defensiveness, and I don't understand Bob's 'MySoace is for ME, not the listeners. I've got MINE, fuck YOU' attitude. I haven't seen that level of sneering selfish snobbery in a long time, but then I've been avoiding the political threads.

We sure can get into some serious arguments over some seriously insignificant things here. Unfortunately, they bring out the personalities hiding under the personas.

I'm out of this one.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:16 PM

Bob Ryszkiewicz wrote: "wyrdolafr: This is merely God's way of telling you that you should move".

Is it? I'm sure what I was hearing was something more along the lines of the patter of a really annoying door-to-door salesman. God? No. Although admittedly I'm wondering what in wyrd it is that's brought me to the position where I'm involved in this particular discussion.


"This is probably a SIGN from the Creator that it is YOU who have been chosen to call the appropriate agencies and kick some AZZ so's you can get what you want".

I've got a funny feeling I'd be wasting my time explaining why exactly I can't 'get what I want' and I'm not sure I could stand another fast food focused response underpinned by your religious beliefs.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 25 Jan 09 - 07:39 PM

Didn't say it was Bill, I only said, Think of it as a radio station...The 256,121,224+ people that are in the MySpace network KNOW what to expect...They knocked on MY door, I didn't knock on theirs. (I did send many Friend Reqs...Thanks Everybody who came through, you're the best...)This is why it's called MY-----SPACE. When you visit MY Space, dig what's being given to you or leave. I have THROWN OUT in excess of 500 people who were assorted pervs, crazies, hard-headed jerks. No point in having them around. Do I care if they like what I'm doing? NO! I just FLUSH 'EM...

I would rather devote my time to my fans and contacts who LOVE what I do. Chris Anderson, Editor-in-Chief of WIRED magazine talks about this in his "The Long Tail..." About the digital revolution, and FINDING YOUR AUDIENCE.

For all my fans in Germany, here's a radio station in Bremen that graciously asked if they could play my tunes. All from MySpace. They even created a website and links to my Official Page & Click-Back to MySpace. Thanks to the good folks at MySpace who allowed me to do this...
a href="ht">http://www.local-radio.de/thread.php?postid=6170 ">a href="ht

bob


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 03:34 AM

I'm in complete and total agreement with Bob.

100%.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 04:33 AM

Aren't all of Insane Beard's videos on YouTube anyway? He surely isn't seriously expecting everybody to go to MurdochSpace for them?

We don't use MySpace for videos, Jack - though we do link to one or two through the Myspace pages, on which we feature sounds, stills, and words. As for MurdochSpace - we have a very long spoon indeed, as do most of the people you'll find there who might have similar qualms, but keep their sounds on autoplay nonetheless.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: bfdk
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:48 AM

I'm entirely with the contingent who prefers music on webpages to be something you switch ON if you want to listen, rather than have it rammed down your throat (or ears, in this case).

Like quite a lot of the posters above I'm often listening to music of my own choice while browsing, and however good the music on any given homepage may be, it doesn't sound very good on top of another piece of music. And just like other posters above, I've also come across pages so crammed full of various stuff that they made my browser hang - and I'm on a LAN broadband connection, mind. If that happens, the easiest option is to quickly locate the square button top right with the cross on it and close the browser window completely. Exit one visitor.

Bob, I tried opening the page you linked to at 25 Jan 09 - 06:30 PM. I was *very* patient, gave it all of 20 seconds of my precious time, and the on-site player just kept 'loading'. Sorry, Bob, you lost another potential 'customer' there.. Less is more, and pages that load fast have much better chance of making the visitor actually stay to look around. There's lots of advice on that around, one such page can be found here. This particular site caters to 'small businesses', if you're a musician wanting to sell your music, I suppose that'll include you.

But what I really wanted to say was:

Give me the chance to opt IN voluntarily rather than the stress of having to search for the button that allows me to opt OUT.

Jeri, don't close the door in my face, I'm right behind you.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 06:14 AM

The thing that I find truly bizarre about some of this is that it contravenes one of the most accepted points about personal and commercial web page design - even post-broadband - and it's bad practice to have a big chunk of Flash as the intro to a site and that if you must do, then have a HTML-driven means of navigating away from that page.

Some people's MySpace pages seem to be the equivalent of having several Flash intros and no real way of navigating away. People suggesting that I can 'turn it off' are either missing the point or not understanding it in the first place.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 07:36 AM

Personally I have no objection to MySpace music sites, playing music 'at me'.

I see them as advertisments which I am willingly choosing to watch and listen to. They are there to promote artists music, and I tend to assume before I enter, that there will be auto musical content.

Purely pragmatically, as far as the artist is concerned, the auto music probably does do it's advertising job more sucessfully than if you had to choose to 'play'.

I believe it must come down to the artists themselves, determining how to best organise their own pages, for their own benefit. I guess it's pragmatic for the artist to grab your attention, however severely annoying or inconvenient that may be to some.

I don't enjoy or appreciate pages that are not specifically for the promotion of artists music, playing random muzak at me. So I do surf straight past those.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 09:53 AM

And there you have all the reasons I don't frequent 'MySpace'.

The world is full of solipsists as it is, without them demanding I listen to their music - and it's not just MySpace, I loathe muzak and piped music in public places 99% of the time. If I wanted to listen to other people's choice of music, I wouldn't have spent so much money in acquiring CDs and creating my own playlists, which I keep to myself by not having my headphones up to eardrum busting volume.

Keep the discussion civilised please.

LTS


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 10:44 AM

bfdk: Thanks for stopping by. The problem might be with your machine or connection as it opens immediately through my machine & set-up(Mac & HiSpeed Internet). Anyways, with 256, 121, 224+ people to deal with, the best option FOR ME is autoplay. You do get people who prefer to have the player turned off, but you still have that PAUSE button.

Ya can't please everybody....Here I'm going to talk about ME personally...When I go clicking around on MySpace, I give less than 5 seconds of my time to "pass judgement" if you will...
Some people have beautiful pages, but can't play, or sing...I pass. Or, I'll say to myself, "Folkie" been playing 6-7 years, has a ways to go, but I'll add them. Mudcatters I usually add, with the exception of a few, as I would like to "payback" Folk Music by helping to promote it in my own humble way. I've got Rap & Hip-Hop guys on there to. I promote them, they help me by getting my music to new ears.

I also thought it would be cool to help women who have Vintage Clothing Shops on MySpace. They get seen by potential new customers, and I get my stuff to new audiences who aren't particularly interesed in music, but rather in clothes, hoping they might say, "Hey, who's this guy?" And, they check me out. This has caused other Vintage Clothing Shops to Friend req me, I say SURE...And, everybody wins...

Got Supermodels & Agencies on there too, but I think if you take the time to cruise my site, you'll find that there's a method in the madness there. 1000's of contacts you would just NOT believe...

So for me, in MY----Space the AUTOPLAY will stay. It just works. That feature has gotten me to the point of MySpace being on Autopilot if you will. Every few hours, a new Friend req comes in, sometimes from the most UNUSUAL people. This is what happens as the geometric factor of being in front of millions of people kicks in.

For those Mudcatters who are interested in promoting their music, I suggest that you use autoplay. The Internet moves in nanoseconds, and you might get less than 5 seconds to reach those who are clicking arround.

Don't worry about the naysayers or haterz as you will encounter many. But, for me, MySpace has restored my faith in humanity, as SO MANY GOOD PEOPLE came through. Far outnumbering the jerks.

Doing a CD? Fine. Just make sure you don't spend your money producing an expensive paperweight. Try Digital Distribution. Like this...
http://www.amazon.com/The-Ghost-of-Elvis/dp/B000XP6X2G
Best of Luck with YOUR music...
bob


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:39 AM

As Bob said, there is a pause button, and you can hit that the second the music starts.
Anyway, what's all the fuss about?
I know you can't please everybody, but on the evidence of this thread, WHY BOTHER?
People will bitch about anything, even things as unimportant as this.
What a boring life some folks must lead!


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Tootler
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:53 AM

Lizzie Cornish wrote:

I'm in complete and total agreement with Bob.

I'm in total disagreement.

Furthermore I find the way you push your views somewhat offensive. I am quite happy to agree to differ; you have your preferences and I have mine - no problem - but please don't bludgeon me with your totally OTT hyperbole.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Megan L
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 12:03 PM

Mechty whit a big word. Noo ah ken whit it means an you ken whit it means but fur the sake o Donal her whits never bin up in wan you explain it.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 12:07 PM

I think the word "bitching" is a little bit heavy there.

There have been detailed explanations from at least one poster here, regarding the genuine inconvenience that auto play music causes them.

But although I can respect that, I personally see it as the *perogative of the artist in question* as to whether or not they choose to automatically play music on their "MySpace", which IMO does what it say's on the tin.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: DebC
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 12:53 PM

Whew! I certainly want folks to hear my music. But I have another reason (which I haven't seen above, though I'll admit I just skimmed the thread) for setting my music to not play automatically and that is:

This discussion has occurred on several of the US-based folk business lists I subscribe to. Many of the venue organisers on those lists have said that they DO NOT like automatic music when they go to check out a musician's page, whether it be on MySpace or the musician's website. For me (as petty as it may seem on the organiser's part)that could result in a lost opportunity.

For myself as a listener, I do not like any websites where music or videos play automatically and when I encounter those, that person has lost a viewer or listener as I always try to shut it off as sson as it starts up.

I went to a musician's website to listen to their music and they had 10 music players on the page and they ALL STARTED UP AT ONCE WITH NO WAY TO SHUT THEM OFF. Not a good way to gain listeners, I would think.

Just my opinion,
Deb


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Tom Bliss
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 12:58 PM

And myspace doesn't always do what you tell it to anyway. Right now mine is disobeying me again. I think.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 01:11 PM

Be sure to use MySpace to it's full extent. The "Contact MySpace" feature will walk you through most problems. You will see "sit tight" as they resolve the problems that pop up.

The sheer volume is what makes MySpace work. "Concert Organizers" who don't like autoplay can take a pill and relax. There's a BOATLOAD of Promoters who understand the autoplay feature and work with it...
bob


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: DebC
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 01:22 PM

I guess this all comes down to personal preference. Lizzie has been very supportive of my music (thanks, Lizzie!) and I certainly respect her opinion. It seems that it may all balance out anyway: someone will listen because they CAN control when they listen and someone is turned away because the auto-play isn't going. Ah well, it is what it is. I am thankful to those that listen and enjoy my music.

And Tom is absolutely correct, not only about MySpace, but all the networking sites. They have been a great marketing and connection tool for musicians like us. But sometimes, things are just a wee bit wonky with them and that can be frustrating.

Deb Cowan


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:06 PM

As Bob said, there is a pause button, and you can hit that the second the music starts.

With some browser/machine/network/script-software combos, you can't. The machine may lock up trying to load the wherewithal to play the music and it might be several minutes before you can get it to respond to any user input at all. Or it may just lock up so thoroughly you have to force the browser to quit, or reboot the machine (the loading process may be so processor-intensive the pause button never appears on your screen). If you get the choice, you'll probably know which stuff works on your setup.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Acorn4
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:09 PM

It seems about 50/50 on this thread at the moment.

Seems like we've all got to end up offending half the population whatever we do!


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:23 PM

Tootler - PM
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 11:53 AM

Lizzie Cornish wrote:

I'm in complete and total agreement with Bob.

I'm in total disagreement.

Furthermore I find the way you push your views somewhat offensive. I am quite happy to agree to differ; you have your preferences and I have mine - no problem - but please don't bludgeon me with your totally OTT hyperbole.



(Foffy smiley)



Anyways up...

I'm having a great time reading Bob's posts and lapping up his absolute enthusiasm! I'm also listening to 'The Ghost of Elvis', one of his songs, on his Myspace page. :0) I remember the day Elvis died, I got a day off school because Pinner Village was completely flooded, the banks of the mighty River Pinn, normally just a stream, had burst, and people were canoeing outside the shops...all very surreal, along with Elvis no longer being around...

Or is he...... :0)

Bob Ryszkiewicz Myspace


OK, I'm listening to the spooky 'Soul Eater' now...he sends shivers down me every time he comes too close... :0) Great film music, Bob, I have entire scripts running through my head when I listen to your tracks....and I'm hiding under the cushions with this one...tremble..

Hey, I just spotted The Duncan McFarlane Band on your page! Now they're Grrreeat! Do you know, I could spend an entire week looking through your friends, Bob..and still be only half way through...

Ooh, and has anyone noticed that most of us who have Myspace pages are just soooooooo happy! ;0)


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Howard Jones
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:29 PM

As a general rule, I dislike having music start up when I enter a site, especially when there's no obvious way of turning it off. I particularly dislike it when I'm surreptiously browsing at work during a slack moment, and the speakers suddenly start blaring!

Myspace is a bit different - surely the point of it (the musicians' pages anyway) is to listen to the music?


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 02:46 PM

Jack Campin wrote: "With some browser/machine/network/script-software combos, you can't. The machine may lock up trying to load the wherewithal to play the music and it might be several minutes before you can get it to respond to any user input at all. Or it may just lock up so thoroughly you have to force the browser to quit, or reboot the machine (the loading process may be so processor-intensive the pause button never appears on your screen). If you get the choice, you'll probably know which stuff works on your setup".



I've been through that a couple of times on this thread. It still seems to be a case of "you can reach for the pause button if you don't want to hear it!" from some quarters. I don't think some people actually understand this point.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 03:21 PM

wyrdolafr, some pages just 'lock up' your computer. I don't have a problem with music being on or off, so far as my computer goes, but I do get pages that lock my computer up as soon as I get them up on the screen. It happens in myspace.

My computer hates Facebook, it slows it right down, despite being on broadband, so....many of us have different problems, depending on where we live, what computers we have and which sites we visit.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: GUEST,Bob Ryszkiewicz
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 03:21 PM

Hi Kids: Look the way I see it we've had this discussion and nobody's gotten killed....

PROOF that there is a God, AND, we haven't blown up the planet! So far, so good...

Ya know; I wonder if, say, we all went out for Chinese food, how many think that a Tong War would break out before we got to dessert? Probably have to bring in C.I.A. & F.B.I. negotiators
just to choose between #17 & #22 on the Menu...And, as far as Chopsticks go, that's just ASKING for trouble....

Futhermore, speaking in my best British accent, in the hands of an expert, the Spring Roll can turn into a deadly weapon...

bob. JAMES bob...

p.s. Thanks Lizzie. Hugz from the Cool Blue North...BR


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 03:26 PM

"Futhermore, speaking in my best British accent, in the hands of an expert, the Spring Roll can turn into a deadly weapon..."

LOL, Bob, and hugs back from Sunny Sidmouth. xx :0)


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 04:43 PM

Heeeellllloooooo.
I have read most of the thread.
Re the auto play debate,I got an off button to me speakers if I don't wanna listen I turns em orf!
I know some of you are having issues cos you are on dial up.
That's a bummer if you cant get broadband,so maybe you could click on the pause button as soon as you see the player is gonna be annoying?
I have had loadsa problems with IE8!
Bloomin' thing and it seems that once on yer system it refuses to leave.
However both Flock and Chrome seem to be very reliable and are free so maybe you could try with those when internet explorer is a pain.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:10 PM

Man, folks will argue the damnest things.

Our band site has the music start. It is a strong cut that grabs you with a heavy bodhran beat. We did it because we thought it the right cut to get your attention. Reading the comments on this page has given me pause, but really only one of them. Marketing sense to the customer tells me that dialup is becoming pretty scarce and the larger audience has broadband, so that is not a concern. I can't ignore the numbers. But Deb Cowan's comment, to me as a working musician, is the one that got my attention. I have great respect for her as a pro, because I watch how she markets her product. I know she is in constant contact with Festival folks. Her comment, in my opinion, is the one that makes me think. Thanks, Deb.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:29 PM

Big Mick can you put a link to yer band space please?


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Big Mick
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:35 PM

Sure, Tim. Here you go.


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:40 PM

Cheers mate


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Subject: RE: Auto-Starting Your Music, on Myspace
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 26 Jan 09 - 05:55 PM

Hmmmmmmm.....

Mick, are you *seriously* telling me that 'silence' on your page would outweigh The Sligo Musketeers makin' you go..YESSSSS!

"..and many's the time we thought we'd never see our homes again. The rebels fought like devils, but their fighting was in vain for they couldn't *beat the Sligo musketeers...."

Boom ba Boom ba Boom on the drum......boom ba boom ba boom

And then, it gets even BETTER, because into your ears, as if by magic, comes 'Over The Watefall'....and you tumble down in an ecstasy of beautiful sounds!

*(I might have the wrong word there)

Time enough for silence when we've all left this world behind...until then, rejoice in the music!


THERE! ;0)


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