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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Borchester Echo Date: 17 May 09 - 02:46 AM And who said E C B B preceded Vultures? Not me but I know who did. Who's this Leadfingers anyway? Is this the one who walked out of the Agricultural Implements Band to form Blodwyn Pig? On the fRoots Letters Board somebody's dragged up the Island sleeve with a pic of all those who did (or didn't) appear on a compilation LP. http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17247#17247 |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: TheSnail Date: 16 May 09 - 08:37 PM I was just sort of wondering if there was any chance of a polite discussion of Ian Anderson's fRooots editorial where he does talk about folk clubs. Bearded Fundamentalist (FLF) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Leadfingers Date: 16 May 09 - 07:36 PM And who said E C B B preceded Vultures ? Ms Easby not reading posts again !! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 16 May 09 - 07:25 PM And before that , was in a SORT of jug band called 'The Back Water Juke Band , with me on Soprano Sax and Tin Whistle . There is no mention of that or Jethro Tull unfunnily enough on his Myspace biog but I did see him last year at the QEH Shirley Collins festival in Hot Vultures 3 with Maggie Holland and a mandolin player. No wonder he doesn't have time to write about folk clubs, to get back on topic. Still waiting for "Faye Roche"! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 16 May 09 - 04:02 PM ...or even....salmon! LOL Darn that 'submit' button.. :0) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 16 May 09 - 04:01 PM :0) Ah, but does he farm trout? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Borchester Echo Date: 16 May 09 - 03:49 PM Who's Frozen Gin? Must be that geezer who used to live in John Spiers' house and stole his gin. He topped up the bottle with water so that when it came out of the freezer it was solid. He probably thinks of the tune as a compliment and about him. It isn't. Shits abound in this mythical, cotton-wool clouds-tinged, sparkly never-never land some label "the f*lk scene", just like in the r.o.t.w. Reminds me of a piece I just wrote on Freecycling in response to some pissed-off burghers of Haringey who were somehow amazed at the discovery of mirror sites, bootsale sellers-on and complete absence of courtesy and consideration. As for IAA's bands, the ECBB did not precede the Vultures. Indeed, it's still gigging (once in a while), as is Tiger Moth and a new(ish) combo Blue Blokes Three just to show that unlike his namesake, he ain't Living In The Past. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Leadfingers Date: 16 May 09 - 03:03 PM Maybe you are another masochist , lile the rest of us Jon ! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 16 May 09 - 03:01 PM No forget it. I'm better off out of here and don't understand why I keep coming back. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 16 May 09 - 02:59 PM Who is Frozen Gin? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 16 May 09 - 02:46 PM "I had hoped my tone in that post was (to this UKer) light hearted" Whatever you say |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 16 May 09 - 02:38 PM "And before that , was in a SORT of jug band called 'The Back Water Juke Band , with me on Soprano Sax and Tin Whistle ." I've heard much about this band but have never actually heard them or seen them. Any chance of a reunion? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 16 May 09 - 02:26 PM And..The English Country Blues Band.. :0) (I think he played flute in that one..) ;0) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Leadfingers Date: 16 May 09 - 02:05 PM Before Hot Vultures , and at the same time as his Solo Career as a Blues Man , Ian was in a Trio with the late Al Jones and Harmonica player Elliot Jackson - they did at least one E P for Saydisc . And before that , was in a SORT of jug band called 'The Back Water Juke Band , with me on Soprano Sax and Tin Whistle . |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 16 May 09 - 01:29 PM "Lizzie ... for goodness sake ... I'm assuming that you intended that as a joke ?? In which case not fair to mislead gullible folks who might think that Ian really WAS in that group !!!" Well, he was. Just a different Ian, that's all. :0) chuckle! There you go again, Irene. Sheesh but you tell me off sooooo much. Do you think you should see a therapist about it? ;0) Fer goodness sake, Ian has a great sense of humour. I used to say that all the time about him on the BBC board and he'd come back with something funny, usually...apart from that time when he didn't and he verbally stuck his tongue out at me...and I crossed him off my birthday party list for that year and told him I wasn't ever going to sit next to him again, or give him even a teaspoon of my jelly! Hurrummmmph! Ah, those were the days. The Good Ol' Days, when humour abounded on the BBC board, witty and jolly commemts, and then, along came The Serious Ones, and it all got terribly complicated. Anyways ups, what's this thread about again? Oh yes, fRuits in folk clubs, kind of Carmen Miranda style? Lawdy, lawdy...and to think he keeps you folx on his board and got rid of the chuckles... Ho hum...methinks he was having a bad day that day..... :0) Yes, I know Joe....I know..... Tiger Moth (Video on Moth Dance page) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 16 May 09 - 11:49 AM which part of Ian Anderson (NO, not that one!!) don't you understand...? I've printed it every time I've mentioned Ian Anderson's (no NOT that one!!) name |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Surreysinger Date: 16 May 09 - 07:07 AM Lizzie ... for goodness sake ... I'm assuming that you intended that as a joke ?? In which case not fair to mislead gullible folks who might think that Ian really WAS in that group !!! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 15 May 09 - 06:05 PM Ian was in Jethro Tull, although I expect everyone knows that. :0) Shhhh don't tell Joe I'm here, else I'll be sent to bed with no tea! lol |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 15 May 09 - 05:36 PM Thanks kat. While, yes. reflecting, I had hoped my tone in that post was (to this UKer) light hearted |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: katlaughing Date: 15 May 09 - 04:31 PM If you knew Jon, you'd know it was not a snide remark at all. What's wrong with you all...I thought you wrote the book on irony? Jon, I understand and lament a bit, but I do have those two files you posted for us and have enjoyed them immensely. Somewhere I think I also have a couple of tapes I made of those HearMe sessions. Maybe someday I'll find them and see what I got...not sure the quality will be any good, though.:-) kat |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 15 May 09 - 04:24 PM " but enjoying the music is not beyond us" I just noticed this rather snide remark.Other than noticing it, it's really not worth commenting on. So you can both comment on and misinterpret something not worth the effort of commenting on. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: irishenglish Date: 15 May 09 - 04:21 PM Folknacious, I was talking about a little self promotion that Anderson used within the magazine for his own projects (ok, I guess its his right to do so!) and reissues, etc. I said nothing about the overall quality of the magazine, or did you miss this- " I have been impressed by the evolution of the magazine, since I first started looking at it here in the U.S. in the early 90's." You could be right about the cd's, but I know I'm right about yet another pic of a Tiger Moth reissue or what have you appearing fairly often...but I'm not going to dig out 15 years or so of issues to prove it to you. Maybe I should have said minor quibble, but I like the magazine, very much, so please don't associate me with hallucinogens. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 15 May 09 - 04:05 PM Folknacious that's a complete list of Ian Anderson's (not that one!!)various bands. Trying to find anything other than Tiger Moth seems to be one of the hardest jobs in the world. Maybe getting in touch with the man might help. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Folknacious Date: 15 May 09 - 03:56 PM If this was all an elaborate scam by F.R. to gain publicity, it obviously backfired!! Have we ascertained whether Faye Roche is a real person, Folk Roots or shhhh-could-it-be T.B. yet? Sorry, not quite read all the posts since I last looked, tend to skip the ones from certain suspects now. The one thing that used to irk me about fRoots is the abundance of pics, and inclusion of 20 year old tracks on some of the freebie cd's of Mr. Anderson's various bands over the years! Personally I think their use of photos is extremely good, the new edition in particular. The one of E2 chasing the clown up the street is brilliant. I don't think the other comment is right, is it? I think I know the names of "Mr Andersons various bands"; Hot Vultures, English Country Blues Band, Tigermoth, Blues Blokes 3; and the only one I can find in the CD track index on the Froots site is Tigermoth, one track on CD7 out of what is it, over 30 CD's now, must be around 500 tracks? I don't have the earliest ones but am I missing something? Don't tell me we have a hallucination pandemic here! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 15 May 09 - 02:50 PM " but enjoying the music is not beyond us" I just noticed this rather snide remark.Other than noticing it, it's really not worth commenting on. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 15 May 09 - 01:39 PM That would be tempting in one way kat but I can not do it any more. Please do send Night Owl my regards. I do remember her. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: katlaughing Date: 15 May 09 - 12:50 PM Jon, remember and still sorrow for their passing...esp. hearing YOU! (Night Owl says "Hi!" and she'd even come back online if we ever got them going again.:-) luvya |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: TheSnail Date: 15 May 09 - 12:32 PM Actually, Dick, it was the things he DID say about folk clubs that I was interested in, not the things he doesnt cover. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 15 May 09 - 12:00 PM Snail,to try and answer your point someone further up the thread made the assertion,that he doesnt cover grassroots acts. to cover grassroots acts would involve spending a lot of money and time travelling around,would it not,is that practical?. froots has to be run as a business, otherwise it would go to the wall,how can it cover grass roots acts comprehensively? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Frozen Gin (inactive) Date: 15 May 09 - 11:44 AM just to remind people of the topic at hand. fRoots magazine and folk clubs Thank You For Not making Personal Attacks. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: glueman Date: 15 May 09 - 09:28 AM "I now tend to stick to local (Yorkshire) festivals – less tie-dye and pretentions and an excellent standard of music." Totally agree and I'm not even a Yorkie. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 15 May 09 - 09:25 AM "Towersey more like," Yes, I instantly recognised your description of Towersey. I only went once and hated it. It seemed to be an interminable 'middle England' garden fete with a bit of music around the periphery. I now tend to stick to local (Yorkshire) festivals – less tie-dye and pretentions and an excellent standard of music. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: NormanD Date: 15 May 09 - 09:22 AM Diane Easby wrote: People started making lists of who they know or do not in the course of the thread, an activity which I assume to be on a par with counting furry creatures.....but these have mysteriously vanished. One of the lists was mine, which I did in order to show that my support for fRoots was not based on bias according to whom I knew. Joe Offer's moderating intervention made me realise what an arse I was to have taken part in such broygis, so I asked for the posts to be deleted. Thank you for that, Joe or whoever. I now know what to avoid, and, potentially, who to avoid. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: glueman Date: 15 May 09 - 09:21 AM "Don't ever dare suggest it." Absolutely not. My own wife, a woman of some forbearance clearly, becomes a turbocharged hybrid of both Trinny and Suzannah when we as much as approach a folk do. It's a form wholly untroubled by the problems of aesthetics - charming in its way but making her want to slap people. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 May 09 - 09:07 AM Diane's vision might be based on images of Cambridge I went to the first 10, then scarcely at all since (except when paid to). Towersey more like, though "professional" (woops, bad choice of word) "f*lkies" are rather too ubiquitous. Whatever. I'm absolutely not one. Don't ever dare suggest it. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: glueman Date: 15 May 09 - 09:00 AM Diane's vision might be based on images of Cambridge, at least the bits captured in promotional material which contains enough pointy hats, tankards and fairy wings to send any sensible soul in the opposite direction. Such things are the exception at events we visit where 'looking a bit middle aged' is the uniform of choice, something I can pull off without even trying. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Jon Date: 15 May 09 - 08:56 AM I'd like to repeat my previous comments about UK folkies eating their young. Do you folks ever get together and enjoy each other's music, or do you just get together to brawl? Remember the old Hearme days, Joe? I think from the US, you and kat and Jeri in this thread have met me that way in playing/singing music to each other We can get together and give a song or tune and have a good time, even on line. Not saying we can't fall out too... but enjoying the music is not beyond us. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 15 May 09 - 08:51 AM "Joe Offer wonders if "the British Folk Scene" is a bunch of loonies." I prefer to think of it as the last bastion of the great British eccentric - and long may it be so. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: glueman Date: 15 May 09 - 08:51 AM The last such publication I read was the NME for about two years in the 70s. Since then my Gallapagos has been a little remote but is spared sudden squalls like this one. On a similar basis I never watch TV, hardly ever listen to the radio and do not take a newspaper yet am able to hold my own in the weekly pub quiz based on information on my ISPs homepage in the microsecond before I hit the kill button. Enough jetsom is caught in me net without paying for the privilege by the scoop. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Will Fly Date: 15 May 09 - 08:47 AM Diane: If ever I think about it (which I try very hard not to), a disparate collection of tie-dye clad, bearded, tankard-wielding weirdos lurches horrendously into view. It is usually accompanied by hordes of noisy small persons sporting fairy wings and playing diablo, with yappy dogs in tow [....] you're looking for untuned instruments plus vocals in entirely unrelated keys cos anything's Good Enough For F*lk, according to them. Strange... having spent the last week or three in the company of singers and musicians, most of whom would undoubtedly ally themselves with the folk fraternity, in places as diverse as Ditchling, Lewes, Charlwood, Henfield, Wigan, Horwich and Stoke (i.e. East Sussex, West Sussex, Surrey, Lancashire and Staffordshire, for the uninitiated), I found nothing but good musicianship, excellent singing, good fellowship and not a tankard or tie-dye in sight. Apart from the beards, I must have been living in a parallel universe. Perhaps the fairy wings belong to you, Diane. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Les in Chorlton Date: 15 May 09 - 08:35 AM Well, I am glad that that is cleared up L in C The Beech next Wednesday |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: MikeofNorthumbria Date: 15 May 09 - 08:26 AM Matt Milton – you praise fRoots for its "zippy and often waspish thumbnail reviews" adding by way of explanation that "I think music criticism of folks and roots music across the globe is much much much too patronisingly cosy and nicey and toothless and all-friends-together …" I couldn't disagree more. One of the things which cheesed me off about fRoots was the smug and self-congratulatory tone of its "zippy" reviews – and many of its articles. Furthermore, one of the main things which originally attracted me to the folk scene (and still keeps me attached to it) is precisely the "all-friends-together" ethos which you seem to despise. So long as fRoots continues to provide enough paying punters with what they want, it will continue to prosper – and good luck to it. But over the years I have found it steadily less interesting and more irritating, so instead, I buy Living Tradition. It may be less edgy, and less cool, than its bigger and glossier rival but to my ears it talks more sense. Wassail! |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Borchester Echo Date: 15 May 09 - 08:24 AM Joe Offer wonders if "the British Folk Scene" is a bunch of loonies. Firstly, you'd need to define what membership of such a grouping entails (and what a "f*lkie" is). I subscribe to neither, so I won't. If ever I think about it (which I try very hard not to), a disparate collection of tie-dye clad, bearded, tankard-wielding weirdos lurches horrendously into view. It is usually accompanied by hordes of noisy small persons sporting fairy wings and playing diablo, with yappy dogs in tow. One thing to know is not to camp anywhere near them at festivals or follow them into a pub. Unless, of course, you're looking for untuned instruments plus vocals in entirely unrelated keys cos anything's Good Enough For F*lk, according to them. NO, IT'S NOT. People started making lists of who they know or do not in the course of the thread, an activity which I assume to be on a par with counting furry creatures (yan, tan, tethera, methera), but these have mysteriously vanished. Well, I know a handful of participants (in a vagueish sort of way) and they're not all entirely bonkers, the ones who actually care about music anyway, and that includes Dick Miles. The other thing that's gone horrendously wrong was on the day when the Random Spam Generator was unleashed onto the internet, the sort who insist on telling you about some "new" performer you've known for decades. One such insisted on telling me in bold upper case some tripe about a performer known to me since 1963. I know exactly which website such a calumny was culled from and its been up there in the ether since 1999 so "must be true" (ha!). The US equivalent (no, you're not getting off lightly) is the sort that strolls into a thread and bor4es interminably for too many inches on something that has sod all to do with the topic. I could get a badge which reads "No, I am not a bloody f*lkie", but why should that be necessary. I am what I've always been, a commentator, alone in my own furrow, reading fRoots. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: TheSnail Date: 15 May 09 - 07:57 AM Good move, Dick. Life is too short, etc. etc.... Now we've got that out of the way and regardless of the motivation (or identity) of Faye Roche, is there any chance of a polite discussion of Ian Anderson's fRooots editorial? |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Banjiman Date: 15 May 09 - 07:48 AM "I have apologised to Ian Anderson,by e mail. Dick Miles" Good on you Dick, takes some guts to do that. I'll see you at Ryedale as well. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 15 May 09 - 07:43 AM With you there, Dick. Hopefully see you at Ryedale. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 15 May 09 - 07:23 AM yes,I am against censorship ,totalitarianism,croneyism and arse licking. I dont always agree with Lizzie Cornish or Walkabout verse,or Jim Carroll,or Richard Bridge,but they have a right to state their opinions,without being called barking, mad, bonkers or some other derogatory smear. aggressive guest posts are supposed to be deleted here is one that wasnt Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: GUEST,Ralphie - PM Date: 13 May 09 - 09:25 AM Lizzie. Which of the two words "Barking" and "Mad" don't you understand? When you've spent 40 years running a magazine. Then you can criticise. Until then button it. Life a get (re-arrange) |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: Dave Hanson Date: 15 May 09 - 07:21 AM Two people banned from the fRoots forum eh, one of them has banned from every other forum as well, [ at least once ] Dave H |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: theleveller Date: 15 May 09 - 07:09 AM "theleveller, is it your impression that US folkies carry guns? [grin]" I certainly didn't want to imply that. I was just making the point that airing grudges on threads like this is less dangerous than blowing each others' heads off. Personally, I like Woody Guthrie's approach with the sign on is guitar that read 'This machine kills fascists'. "It's very quiet and civilised on the FF. Draw your own conclusions!" Well, the conclusion that I would draw is that they don't like people who don't share their opinions. It's either censorship or totalitarianism. I'm against both. |
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Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and folk clubs From: The Sandman Date: 15 May 09 - 06:43 AM I have apologised to Ian Anderson,by e mail. Dick Miles. |
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