BS: Anti BNP Protests - Luton

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,ifor
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 03:02 AM

The BNP's hate fest will be attended by fascists from across Europe.Among those expected will be representatives from nazi gangs in Hungary who recently rampaged through a Roma village attacking a young pregnant woman and a girl.
They will be met by anti fascists including trade union delegations from the RMT and civil service unions.
The nazi BNP wants to toughen up its street fighters and thugs in parallel to its "respectable" electoral front.
When a far right gang of thugs tried to march through the Bullring last weekend they were met by hundreds of anti fascists and were firmly sent packing.
Codnor will be surrounded by police tomorrow but it is still very important to show that when the nazi BNP organises its fascist activities it will be met in large numbers by anti fascists!
IFOR

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 06:23 AM

It is a truth undeniable. Large crowds are there to demonstrate the strength of feeling, and large crowds are dangerous.

You can blame all the agitators you want (and they will be there) but it is all to easy to make a large crowd look like a brawl. Don't forget there are those that actually like fighting, being hurt is a badge of office. And large crowds hide miscreants all to easily.

Have your video phones ready at all times, and let people know you are using them. (put them on a loop around your wrist or waist or they will get knocked and dropped). And use them on the crowd not the police, the enemy lurks within. The agitators will move away from video evidence or try to damage it. Either way - they are revealed. If video phones are universally visible there is nowhere to hide.

Vigilence is your protection, then you can get on with the job in hand - showing your strength of feeling.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Jamming With Ollie Beak (inactive)
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 01:58 PM

"That isn't being racist, that is fact."
-Guest AR

That's what they all say, and then the knives and guns come out.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 12:37 PM

"I suspect there will be a large amount of public disorder on Saturday."

Not if I've got anything to do with it there won't. That's exactly what the BNP want. Let's make it vocal and visual and send the message home to the entire far right that we will not tolerate facsist vermin under any cicumstances. But we can do that pefectly well without resorting to public disorder.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Almost everyone in Derbyshire
Date: 12 Aug 09 - 12:20 PM

I am so deeply ashamed and massively offended that the BNP have chosen Derbyshire for their yearly event. I can assure everyone that this is not because we support them. We hate them with as much hatred as is possible. I hate them even more because they chose our beloved Derbyshire. They have simply got an understanding farmer in Derbyshire.

I shall be there. Lots of my friends will be there. We will do everything in our power to prevent them spreading their fascist shite.

I would rather die than let them grow stronger.

I suspect there will be a large amount of public disorder on Saturday.

Stay safe (stay off camera if you can't)

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Owen Woodson
Date: 29 Jul 09 - 11:19 AM

As well as the Codnor protest there will be an anti BNP demo in LKiverpool next Thursday August 5th outside Dale st Magistrates court starting at 9-30.

It is in protest at BNp activist Peter Tierney and two others, who are being prosecuted for assaulting a member of the public in Liverpool while they were handing out leaflets. The BNP are calling on their members to support Tierney, despite his being known to the police for other incidents in the past. We ought to turn out in force and pecefully make it plain that we won't tolerate violent fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Leadfingers
Date: 26 Jul 09 - 08:33 PM

I think I would rather go to White Horse Folk Festival !
But at least this will bring it back to the top !

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 08:50 PM

This talk about blaming immigrants for economic woes reminded me of a quip and an response.

"What this country needs is a good five-cent cigar."

The add-on is priceless:

"Well, we have one. The trouble is it costs a quarter [25 cents]. What this country really needs is a good five-cent nickel."

Immigrants are easy to blame woes on. They do not however explain world economy and its collapse. Hell, I guess if y'all need someone to blame, James Grover Thurber had the answer for you. Blame the rabbits!

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 07:51 PM

EU rules allow migrant workers to claim benefit for children who are in a different country, after working and paying taxes here for a year.
But they cannot legally do so in two countries at once
wo years ago in 2007 it was found that some Polish workers in Britain were illegally claiming child benefit in both the UK and their home country

The UK government estimates that it loses approximately £2bn to benefit fraud every year - and the Polish child benefit claims would be just a very small part of that total.

I'm afraid AR that most of that fraud is 'home grown'

For example
Richard Mulhall, the BNP's council group leader in Calderdale, was sentenced to do 200 hours of unpaid work on four counts of benefit fraud
He was also ordered to pay £2,000 costs and to repay £603.18 in jobseekers' allowance.
He had already repaid the housing benefit and council tax benefit. A jury had found him guilty in October of falsely claiming a total of £3,002.95 in benefits by concealing the fact that his partner was working.

Eastern European migrant workers have limited access on arrival to the welfare state, other than to child benefit which is a universal payment.

Of the 600,000 workers who had registered in the UK in between 2005 and 2007, some 16,868 had applied for some form of income support but the vast majority were turned down.

HM Revenue and Customs, which is in charge of recovering the money, said in a statement: "HMRC takes all allegations of fraud extremely seriously and is looking carefully at the controls in place to ensure all claims are legitimate.
"The UK is working very closely with all its European partners, including Poland, to meet our obligations under EU rules and prevent fraud. We have robust procedures in place."


So what's the reality ?

'Forklift truck driver Peter Rapacz, 36, works for a fruit packing firm in Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, while his family remains in Poland.
He lives in a £150-a-week rented house, which he shares with four lodgers.

He sends home half his weekly after-tax wage of £240. In addition, the family receives £33 in child benefit for their two children which is also paid into an account in their home town of Olsztyn, in the north of the country.

How much tax is he paying or putting money into the UK economy to receive this princely weekly sum of £33?

Strangely enough this information was buried at the bottom of a Daily Mail 'shock horror' report in 2007

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Anne Rees
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 07:09 PM

Peace, I'm not Al. Sorry for confusion, I just saw there is a member called AR.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,AR
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 07:05 PM

Not quite correct Emma. Britain's taxpayers are forking out more than £21million a year in child benefit for youngsters living in Poland, official figures reveal.

A loophole in EU regulations means migrants from other EU countries who are seeking work in the UK can claim state handouts for children they have left behind in their home countries.

The total benefits bill for the Treasury is likely to be closer to £50million a year when other Eastern European countries are included.

In addition, ministers refuse to reveal how much more is being paid out in tax credits. Last night, the revelations prompted demands for a shake-up of the rules, with critics complaining of a "Government-sanctioned scam" at a time when millions of British children remain in poverty.

Britain's child benefit payments of £941 per year for a first child or £629 per year for younger siblings are far higher than the equivalent paymentsin Eastern European states that are new EU members.

The Polish benefits system, for example, pays a maximum of around £160 per year in child benefit.

Investigations have found that many workers moving to Britain are fraudulently claiming family benefits in both countries, exploiting lax checks and poor information sharing between member states.

Figures released by the Treasury in answer to Parliamentary written questions from the Conservatives show that at the end of September 26,000 Polish children from 16,286 families were being paid child benefits by UK taxpayers.

That means 16,286 first-born children were receiving the full £18.10 per week with the remaining 10,000 getting the lower payment of £12.10 per week.

The figures show that the number of claimants is soaring.

In June last year, the Treasury said 14,000 families from eight Eastern European states were claiming the benefits - around 10,000 were estimated to be Polish.

Go read - if you can read any further than scare headlines.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Emma B
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 06:51 PM

The Home Office research published last year demonstrated that immigration has contributed £1,650 to every British person's economic output over the last ten years.

AR you remind me of the BNP supporter who, when interviewed on the radio, claimed that legal immigrants from the EU were 'taking all our jobs' AND living off benefits!
Now make your mind up!

I think I've already posted at great length else where the very strict criteria about who can claim benefit in this country and how long they have to be in employment and paying tax to be eligible for any benefits
Eastern Europe immigrant's children from Romania for example were not even eligible for financial assistance with school meals

Go read - if you can read any further than scare headlines

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 05:07 PM

BTW, Al, you neglected to mention hundreds of people in the UK who have nothing but contempt for the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 04:46 PM

Please package that stuff. We need it for the roses.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,AR
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 04:42 PM

This has to be the most boring series of threads on mudcat EVER !
What can we do about it ? Do you think the BNP will read anything here and say "Oh, let's pack up shop, a guy in Canada calls us names and a few Americans dislike us".

Leave them to it and get on with your lives. The BNP did not gain seats in government because the country is heading back into the dark old days of 1933, the BNP gained seats because the government made a mistake in not placing limits on Eastern Europeans flooding into the UK.

Great to see them over here if it's to benefit the nation. All I see around me is Eastern Europeans that can't speak English and don't seem to want to try. Few want employment as having their children in the UK seems to pay better.

The government can't cope, schools can't cope, hospitals can't cope and before too long the Social Security budget won't be able to cope !

That isn't being racist, that is fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 03:58 PM

thanks guest FaF i have PM ed joanie to see if stuff will be ready for the day. no reply yet but i will let you all know.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 06:39 AM

Crow Sister. I think it was Winston Churchill who once asked "why look in the crystal ball when you can read the book?" The book he referred to was of course Mein Kampf. If anyone today wants to know what a British fascist government would do to its opponents, there is any number of histories of the third reich which will tell them.

"I understand that BNP if ever to gain power, would eject all non white immigrants to UK, and indeed their descendants.
What are/would be their policies about All-White British-Nationals who currently democratically object to their policies - if they were to gain power?
Would any White British National who objected to (even perhaps peacefully demonstrated against) their policies of ejecting non-Whites, be ejected and 'sent elsewhere' too?
I'm just curious really."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,guest FaF
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 03:21 AM

If you would like to, please contact one of the admin through the FaF facebook page, they can then provide you with downloads of the logo for your banner and any other things you may need. Stickers/shirts/badges are ready, we are just waiting for a PO bo address to be able to sell them through the post.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: jeddy
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:56 PM

what is with the homophobic stuff? if you have to use it could you at least make it funny or witty? .... no wonder you both have shit for brains, you are up each others arses.....
nothing personal but i can tell you stuff like that gets very boring to hear, like the word dyke, it is more a fact than an insult.we have just had a new wave of this type of thing where we live and it would impress me if they could come up with something better.

we might make it but it depends on what the family want to do. as it is the weekend they are the only days that dad gets off work. i really hope the t shirts are ready by then because even if i can't be there i could wear my shirt with pride.and leaflets of course.

take care all

jade x x x

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:49 PM

Real Ralphie is right - fake Ralphie merely demonstrates how silly the (the fake) is.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 07:51 PM

Just to clarify...the "GUEST" Ralphie above was not me....
Bastard

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 12:50 PM

I'm ready to talk facts and issues, too. When "George" or "Fearploy" are ready.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 12:03 PM

George,

'Peace' is making his own point. I'd say don't be scared off by that. Some people here are ready to talk facts and issues should you choose to raise any.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:56 AM

I understand that BNP if ever to gain power, would eject all non white immigrants to UK, and indeed their descendants.

What are/would be their policies about All-White British-Nationals who currently democratically object to their policies - if they were to gain power?

Would any White British National who objected to (even perhaps peacefully demonstrated against) their policies of ejecting non-Whites, be ejected and 'sent elsewhere' too?

I'm just curious really.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:42 AM

Sadly this has slowly become another thread of insults and has lost it's way from the original intention.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:36 AM

fairplay,

I pay attention to all your posts. In the matter of yours @ 10:59, is there a point you'd like to make?

I'd hate you to think you were just being ignored.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:13 AM

"More attempted intimidation and mob rule from the UAF militia. This is the threat to democracy."

What twaddle, piffle, codswollop, balderdash: in short, what shite. That remark from you fearploy? I am atwitter, agog, at odds and ends, at sixes and sevens. To see a cross-dresser of your renown say such a thing is tantamount to treason as far as the BNP is concerned. You have diminished the stalwart reputation of the filthiest group of crap to enter the political arena in decades. Why, not since Hick Griffiths assumed the helm of the good ship--have you noticed he's gained about three stone since he got into politics? Is he spending too much time in the beer halls? Medical condition? Do you know? Anyway, stop taking me off course.

I hope you have a lovely day.

Nice dress, btw.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:01 AM

Hey. It's my favourite poof. How ya doin'? Did you see "George" yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 10:59 AM

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=1307

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:32 AM

People to watch for.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:30 AM

Not anymore.

GRIFFITHS

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 09:29 AM

No, Griffin.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:52 AM

Is Nick Griffith still the head of the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:46 AM

George Davis is a BNP supporter. He's the poof wot 'angs with Fairplay.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,George Davis
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:23 AM

THREE BNP THREADS IS TOO MUCH, PLEASE CLOSE TWO OF THEM.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 08:20 AM

Guest "Ralphie" -

Get back under your rickety-rackety bridge before I fetch Great Big Billy Goat Gruff to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 06:08 AM

I'm expecting that "Guest Ralphie" above is the same lackwit who is impersonating Ralph Jordan on FaF

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:27 AM

Royston. You've summed it precisely and concisely.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:05 AM

Troll...

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 05:02 AM

Ralphie, the intention is not that anyone should be afraid. We're not bothered about having any impact or discussion with the hardcore in the field, because I suspect that they are just too far gone. It's about showing a mass disapproval of BNP fascism and grabbing the media. If some inside the field get the sense that the BNP might not be what it claims to be then great, that would be a happy bonus

More importantly its about decent, concerned folk having the chance to add their weight and to have their voice heard in a collective "shout" against fascism.

Nobody will notice Darby, Joan or Royston but we will know that we were there and that we made the effort along with the two to three thousand other people that together made a big statement. That's what is really important.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 04:51 AM

Christ I imagine the BNP will be soooooooooo afraid when the "Derby and Joan Folk club" arrive. I would almost go myself to see this. LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 04:30 AM

Royston. I'll be making a mad dash over from Merseyside and travelling by myself. All being well, I'll be there by 11am, but hold ups, delays and best laid plans etc. If somebody could knock up a suitably large FAF banner then I and others will know which contingent to steer towards. Even better, if said contingent could sing some anti-fascist/anti-racist songs, that would help the demonstration along no end.

"Fred, we could look at grouping together.
The demo assembles in the village from 9am.
There are speeches at 11am, then the march to the "field of shame", or as close as the police will allow.
So we could gather at a landmark in the village or one of us can attach a FaF guitar logo to placard as a visual reference. Good idea."

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:41 AM

Of course I could be clearer myself...

UAF has a policy of attacking the BNP with facts and information but principally by way of massed demonstration and non-violent direct-action (like egging Nazi Nick or just following him everywhere with the placards and the factsheets).

Hope not Hate's tactic is based on getting the facts and information out by way of media domination and community-based education actions like the "not in my name" campaign which encourages a broader range of people to sign up for anti-fascism, joining a number of famous people, principally from the world of Music and the arts. It's a rerun, and very effective, of Stop the War Coalition's "not in my name" campaign against the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Social/Political campaigning has always needed both sort of groups and I'm proud to give my money to both of these.

Look through the news and other pages of UAF and HnH and you'll see a united front of cooperation in campaigns and ojbectives. Exactly as it should be.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 03:01 AM

Fairplay, you really are a fool.

Hope not Hate is a campaign by Searchlight - the rather famous anti nazi / fascist group. It is significantly supported by may people/companies including, notably, the Daily Mirror. It is also supported by the TUC. Many of the HnH local brances *are* UAF branches.

HnH and UAF work together constantly, as UAF is a banner organisation trying to collate support against the facsists. SWP, like HnH are one of the partners in ant-fascist activism. UAF is not a *front* for anyone. You could accuse it perhaps of being a front for UCU (University and College Union) because they provide a lot of UAF's facilities and practical support, but that would not be a true accustion either. Is UAF a front for the TUC; because it receives a lot of backing there? Or a front for the trade union UNITE; because they are a large stakeholder?

What names on google? What will we see? I've tried and I don't see anything.

If you've got something to say, then say it clearly.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: fairplay
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 02:44 AM

Yes, the rival Hope Not Hate regard the UAF as a front for the SWP...check out the top names on Google and you'll see why.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:03 PM

Richard, there are no guarantees about this, but I suspect the police will be hoping the event will be dispersing by 2-3pm. The program appears to be speeches and rallying in the centre of Codnor at 11am, procession towards the field straight afterwards. I can definitely keep you posted by 'phone on the day.

Not sure about postcode but Codnor is an ickle place. It'll be in the SatNav as a recognised placename and that's all you'll need to find the action.

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Royston
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:55 PM

Liz, actually UAF don't sell those shirts, you can get them from the manufacturers - Philosophy Football

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:24 PM

I'll be late: probably leaving Kent about 9 am, Lincoln about noon, and at the aptly named condom 2 or 3pm.

Postcode?

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:14 PM

You can get 'Hope Not Hate' t shirts from here:

Lancaster Unity - T shirts

Subject: RE: BS: Anti BNP Protest, Codnor, 15 August
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 04:06 PM

No BNP Festival site


Taken from the above:

>>>>>>Representatives of the Amber Valley and Derby Campaigns Against Racism and Fascism and Notts Stop the BNP campaign met in Heanor, Derbyshire on Saturday, June 20th to discuss plan for the protest against the BNP's Red, White and Blue festival this year, 2009.

The meeting agreed to organise a protest again this year's BNP festival on August 15th convening in Codnor Market Place. The protest will begin with as many local activists as possible assembling from 9 am. We expect contingents to arrive from elsewhere in the country leading up to a National Rally at 11 am with a demonstration to follow that.

The meeting agreed that the the objectives of the protest against the BNP's RWB festival will be:

to bring together those who oppose the BNP in a peaceful and unified show of mass opposition to this major national event of theirs;
to make clear to participants in the BNP event that they are not welcome in attempting to use Amber Valley as a base for their activities;

to attempt to make our protest seen by as many as possible of those thinking of attending the festival;

to encourage opponents of the BNP in the Amber Valley district and wider area to continue to campaign against the divisive policies of the BNP and the violent activities of their members;

to safeguard as much as possible the safety of those protesting.
Representatives from all of the campaigns planning the protest will be meeting on a weekly basis from now on up until the event itself. A number of organisations, such as UAF and Hope not Hate, had to send their apologies. It is hoped that they, along with sponsors of the event last year, will be able to attend the next major planning meeting planned for July 18th in the centre of Nottingham. The details of this will be sent to last year's sponsoring organisations and posted on this website soon.

This website will again be used to keep people informed of this protest as well as other campaigning activity in the Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire area. For further information please contact the email address associated with this website nobnpfestival at riseup.net
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