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UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????

Mr Red 21 Jul 09 - 11:27 AM
Dead Horse 22 Jul 09 - 05:24 AM
Mr Red 22 Jul 09 - 05:48 AM
Vic Smith 22 Jul 09 - 06:04 AM
s&r 22 Jul 09 - 06:25 AM
Will Fly 22 Jul 09 - 06:39 AM
greg stephens 22 Jul 09 - 07:04 AM
Mr Red 22 Jul 09 - 07:26 AM
SINSULL 22 Jul 09 - 07:54 AM
Darowyn 22 Jul 09 - 09:02 AM
s&r 22 Jul 09 - 01:57 PM
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Subject: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jul 09 - 11:27 AM

Anyone know of a UK shop (online maybe) who sells Cajun Triangles?

they are the ones with scrolled ends.

Marc Savoy's shopsells them but that is in Louisiana and they are out of stock.

I am sure I have seen them for sale at festivals but who was selling them? I will try Rees Wesson butin themeantime - all leads followed up.

The reward is "une petit pleasantry" but not just yet...........


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Dead Horse
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:24 AM

Your best bet is to get your local blacksmith to knock you one up.
It needs to be about 9inches per side and beater made of the same rodding, and about the same length.
Curly ends not needed. That was merely an added bonus done by M. Montoucet when he made his, which are still the most popular in Louisiana.
I have three of his t'fer, plus one I "broke" that is now both worthless and priceless at the same time :-)
Link to M. Montoucet here


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 05:48 AM

Ann Savoy, at her recent gig in Frome UK, said that the "rodding" was traditionally from the tynes of a rake, presumeably a Louisiana style implement.

I can see them on etsy.com but again getting them here for July end is a tall order. And Marc's version is cheaper.

I am trying UK cajun bands for ideas.

Greg Stephens, of this parish, is on the case.


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Vic Smith
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 06:04 AM

Lisa Reed sometimes swapped from bass guitar to triangle (and to rubboard) last Thursday when playing with The Magnolia Sisters in Lewes. And what a wonderful driving sound it provided, even cutting through Ann Savoy's playing of an accordion that her husband Marc made; and Ann is no shrinking violet when it comes to pumping out loud sounds on her box.


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: s&r
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 06:25 AM

Fire alarm triangle £15.00

Stu


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Will Fly
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 06:39 AM

I've been thinking of getting my local blacksmith to make a traingle or two (lucky enough to still have a forge in the village). Two technical questions for those that might know:

1. Is there a recommended thickness for the iron rod used in the triangle making?

2. Is it possible to tune the triangle during the making? Many Cajun boxes are in keys like C, G, D, etc. - and it might be more harmonious to get a triangle that's in the range.


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: greg stephens
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 07:04 AM

How about putting a mesage on the Cajun UK website?


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Mr Red
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 07:26 AM

Thickness probably about 3/8 inch
see image from the "Savoy Music Center" image

Will try Greg's link


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 07:54 AM

There is one on sale on Ebay - $45.


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Darowyn
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 09:02 AM

If they really are made from the tines of a farm rake or harrow, then they will be made from spring steel.
Your blacksmith will probably, unless you tell him (or her) different, will make it from mild steel.
Mild steel will have a duller tone with a lot less sustain. It will also be quieter.
The Cajun ones I have seen are up to half inch diameter- call it 12mm, and Engineers' suppliers will be able to supply Silver steel in that size. To make a decent sized one you would need a metre length. That would be springy enough to sound good, but it would need a Smith to bend it- and they would be only too happy to forge the curly ends.
Cheers
Dave


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: s&r
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 01:57 PM

"Nationwide Fire Extinguishers" will supply a 13.5" along the sides triangle for £15.00 with beater (9")

Sounds a good bet to me,

Stu


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: JohnB
Date: 22 Jul 09 - 11:52 PM

Speaking as a sometimes Blacksmith who has made and sold many triangles (with curly ends).
My wife plays one which came from a kids toy set from Ikea.
It really upsets her when I sell things I have made and given to her, can't think why!
JohnB.


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Dead Horse
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 10:47 AM

When I visited with M Montoucet, he told me that it was the tempering of the metal that made the difference in tone of his triangles, and each one was different from its neighbour.
He also said that he got the material for making these instruments from a man that toured all the farmsteads in the south looking for old implements. Sadly there aint many left, and of those that are left, most end up in museums.
So the genuine t'fer is fast becoming a rarity object.
I only got mine after enquiring from many sources, and finally it was Mitch Reed who put me in touch with Don Montoucet himself.
A truly good man with a great personality and love for cajun music.
We bought three of his t'fer, one each for myself and wife, and one for a friend in England.
Most of the information regarding this instrument is in the link I posted above.
Ken


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Dead Horse
Date: 23 Jul 09 - 11:20 AM

May I also add that nearly all British (and some cajun) players of this instrument that I have heard have a decidedly reticent attitude to their playing.
It should be heard, and heard good, dammit!
It provides the beat for the dancers, and should be audible on a crowded dancefloor, above the guitar, above the bass buttons on the accordion.
It should be played in a way that gives "feel" as the tune progresses, subtly changing as the dance itself changes.
It aint there to be a monotonous "ting ting ting" in the background.
It can also keep wayward musicians on track, the nearest thing to a metronome that many of 'em will ever hear :-)
I also see many "amateur" performers gripping the thing tightly in the hand, while alternately raising and lowering their thumb, with absolutely no effect on the sound produced.
They have "seen" it done, but haven't the slightest idea of what they are doing or why!
As an aside, Ann Savoy is an extremely talented musician, as are all the members of that family. It amazes me that I can start dancing to the band who have as their usual line up Mark on accordion, Ann on guitar, Joel on fiddle, and Wilson on keyboards.
Next time I look at the band the lineup has changed, then it changes again, until all have played every instrument, and all without changing the overall sound quality.
I have noted this swapping of instruments among several Louisiana based musicians, a thing which I have yet to see anywhere else.
It takes most of us a lifetime to master one instrument..........
What is it that makes Cajuns so gifted?
It aint the food, I have tried :-)
Ken


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: GUEST,BanjoRay
Date: 24 Jul 09 - 05:54 AM

I once had the privilege (made the mistake?) of camping next to a cajun team at Clifftop Appalachian String Band Festival. Great, at first. By the end of the week I wanted to get the guy's head through his triangle! Cajun music's like all the others, I suppose - when it's done really well it's terrific, and I could listen all day. However....
Ray


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Dead Horse
Date: 25 Jul 09 - 03:20 PM

Confucious he say "Man who play tliangle in tent with fly open is big plick".


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Subject: RE: UK - Cajun Triangle - shops ???????
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 11:37 AM

s&r

That triangle looks decidedly square and has the words "image not available" on it - I can get a regular triangle for 4GBP and doubt it will be out of place in a Cajun session. Every music stall will sell them at Sidmouth.

But a fire alarm will no doubt be somewhat noticed. I think my clothes are loud enough - the music is a different matter.

As Marc Savoy says on his website - advertising his regular Cajun session. "One triangle at a time please".


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