Subject: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:11 AM In February I posted two verses of this song in the Canal Songs (UK) thread (here) with a promise to try and find the rest of the song. I've now found a few more verses, but there's a long way to go - I have 5 of 19 verses. Since the search may well take some time, I've started this separate thread to keep track. Any help welcome! The five verses I have found are given below, and the story so far is as follows. I came across a reference in Charles Hadfield's British Canals to this song, written for the opening of the Neath & Swansea Junction Canal (usually called the Tennant Canal - George Tennant was the promoter). Hadfield gives the first and last verses and says: The opening of a canal was an occasion for considerable jollification. Sometimes verse contributed, as when Elizabeth Davies, who kept a lollipop shop in Wind Street, Neath, wrote a song of nineteen verses, of which two are given here, to commemorate the opening of the Neath & Swansea Junction (usually called the Tennant) Canal: The song is quoted from The History of the Vale of Neath by DR Phillips, 1925. I found a recent limited edition reprint in Port Talbot library this week, but I had very little time available. In a section on the canal, Phillips quotes the five verses below with the following preamble: In 1824, to herald its opening ceremony, Elizabeth Davies the Rhymer, who kept a lollipop shop in Wind Street, Neath, issued 'Lines on the Neath and Red Jacket Junction Canal'. The ballad, printed by Filmer Fagg at Swansea, shows that, in her simple way, the author was anxious to do justice to the enterprise of Squire George Tennant of Cadoxton Lodge. She lauds the skill of Mr. William Kirkhouse who was in charge of the operations, and notes that no accident marred the progress of the great aqueduct 'where two crystal rivers in union do meet'. She carefully points out, in one stanza, that: "The stones that are in it are the best of all: They came from the rocks of Dylais water-fall." The song contains 19 verses. It begins and closes as follows:- O! could I make verses with humour and wit, George Tennant, Esquire's great genius to fit; From morn until even, I would sit down and tell, And sing in the praise of Neath Junction Canal. To his noble genius, great merit is due, The increase of traffic, he'll daily pursue; Employ to poor labourers, it is known full well He gave them by making Neath Junction Canal. *** But I think that my duty I do not fulfill If I pass Mr Kirkhouse's very great skill. He exerted his talents as wonderf'lly well In that great undertaking; Neath Junction Canal My song it is ended and now I will rest In hopes Squire Tennant will ever be blest. His goodness to the poor there is no tongue can tell Of his courage in making Neath Junction Canal. I hope when he's dead and laid in his grave, His soul will in heaven be eternally saved; It will then be recorded for ages to tell, Who was the great founder of Neath Junction Canal. Neath, March 1 1824 Elizabeth Davies |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 21 Aug 09 - 11:36 AM I didn't have chance to read or follow up other references in Phillips, but Elizabeth Davies the Rhymer indicates she was well known for her verses (like Jones the Fish), and there are other entries about her. I will pursue these when I get chance. The song was printed by Filmer Fagg at Swansea. Filmer Fagg's Circulating Library was at Wind Street, Swansea in 1824, but moved to Wind Street, Neath as Fagg's Circulating Library in about 1827. I haven't found any record of their printing business. Records about their Swansea activities are possibly in Swansea library The local library search is complicated by the many changes to local government structure. Fortunately, Swansea and Neath have a joint archive organisation, although the documents are scattered. Unfortunately, their online index is some way from completion. I intend to dig further, but I will need an initial visit to identify sources. It's a decent trip from Bristol, so it may not happen soon. Phil |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: sian, west wales Date: 21 Aug 09 - 06:11 PM Check with Mick Tems (Dr Price on Mudcat) in case he has some extra info! sian |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: SussexCarole Date: 21 Aug 09 - 07:29 PM Wind Street Neath vs Wind Street Swansea & Fagg - research for the winter months - watch this space |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 22 Aug 09 - 05:15 AM Thanks, Sian & Carole. I did think that there was possibly some confusion over Wind Street, but it seems it's just a coincidence that Fagg chose Wind Street in both Swansea & Neath. The other coincicence is that Elizabeth Davies was in Wind Street, Neath when Filmer Fagg printed her verses in Wind Street, Swansea. I suppose most of the towns round the bay would have a Wind Street. Phil |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: sian, west wales Date: 22 Aug 09 - 12:16 PM Actually - and correct me if I'm wrong, Swansea peeps - but I think it's pronounced 'wind' as in 'wind a clock' not 'wind from the west'. sian |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: GUEST,Skipper Jack Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:26 PM Indeed that is correct Sian |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:42 AM Hmm - West Wales always had odd pronounciations!! OK - I can guess the derivation of 'wind' as in southwest, but where would the clockwork version come from? Both streets are fairly straight, so that's not it, and I doubt specialist clockmakers streets. How about wool - wind a ball? Side issues are often as interesting as main subjects. Phil |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Paul Burke Date: 23 Aug 09 - 04:51 AM To wind, pronounced as in clock, is to turn a narrowboat round- though as the Neath and Swansea wasn't connected to the main system, it's unlikely to be more than coincidence. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:28 AM Hadn't thought of that one, Paul. Plus the fact that the street names preceded canals in Wales. Phil |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 23 Aug 09 - 01:25 PM Realised the truth while trimming the hedge. Swansea pronounciation is simply poetic: Blow, blow thou winter wind Would that thou wert not so unkind I knew I was right!! Phil |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Ian Hendrie Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:59 AM Though some years ago I would have agreed with Paul Burke that narrowboats turned in winding (a clock) holes, I have been corrected so many times that I believe narrowboats wind (as in north-east) in said holes. This may have something to do with the fact that any significant wind plays a major part in turning the boat - more so than the boater - as I know to my cost. Ian |
Subject: ADD: Neath Junction Canal From: Mick Tems Date: 24 Aug 09 - 04:58 PM Hi Phil, As it happens, I've got this song - I've just been recording in St Fagans Museum for four months on my South Wales Archive, about 400 songs which I've collected, a three-way project between collector Dafydd Idris Edwards and trac, the all-Wales folk development body, and me. Incidentally, I worked for seven years in the South Wales Evening Post; with the other journalists, I walked up Wind Street to the pub where we had a liquid lunch. The whole of Swansea called it Wind Street, pronounced "whynde" (or wind up a clock.) NEATH JUNCTION CANAL Oh could I make verses with humour and wit George Tennant Esquire's great genius to fit From morn until even, I'd sit down and tell And sing in the praise of Neath Junction Canal. To his noble genius, great merit is due The increase in traffic he'll daily pursue Employ to poor labourers, it is known full well He gave them by making Neath Junction Canal. Now this will improve the trade of the place I hope that the business will daily increase All sorts of provisions we shall have to sell Conveyed us in boats by Neath Junction Canal. The work it is finished, and now is complete And no man did there with an accident meet Though there was great danger, yet nobody fell By building the aqueduct on the canal. All you that are lovers of gazing around On the grand work of nature where 'tis to be found Rich woods, pleasant valleys, groves, rocks, hill and dell You can view as you walk by Neath Junction Canal. In gazing around you, how pleasant to view From Dulais to Swansea those objects still new The ships in full sail you can see see very well As you walk on the banks of Neath Junction Canal. The new docks at Swansea will be very grand For floating the vessels all at their command Quite safe from all dangers when high tides do swell To take in their trade from Neath Junction Canal. My song it is ended, and now I will rest In hopes that Squire Tennant will ever be blessed His goodness to the poor there is no tongue can tell Or his courage in making Neath Junction Canal. Mick Tems |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Mick Tems Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:50 PM Hang on a minute - I've got eight verses, so where are other 11? And I definitely haven't had your Kirkhouse and your "I hope when he's he's dead and aid in his grave" verses! It seems that Elizabeth Davies was quite a prolific writer... |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 25 Aug 09 - 03:52 AM Great work, Mick. We're creeping towards the full song. 'Elizabeth Davies the Rhymer' indicates that she had a local reputation for her verses, but I haven't found any others. Have you or the others come across songs printed by Filmer Fagg? I haven't found any reference to their printing activities, but it seems unlikely that this was a on-off. Phil |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: sian, west wales Date: 25 Aug 09 - 04:22 AM E. Wyn James in the Welsh Dept. at U.Cardiff has done a LOT of work on ballad publishers in Wales. I'm sure he would try to respond to any questions. His address is E. Wyn James is jamesew at cardiff dot ac dot uk. sian |
Subject: Lyr Add: LOCK KEEPER'S DAUGHTER (Thomas, Pudner) From: GUEST,Hugo Date: 25 Aug 09 - 04:54 AM Bob Thomas and I have recently written a song called "The LockKeepers Daughter" ,[ inspired by Alexander Cordell] about the Neath canal. THE LOCK KEEPER'S DAUGHTER (Bob Thomas and Huw Pudner) I remember the barge on the old Neath Canal Where we hauled coal for a living Through the Lamb and Flag Lock To the Giants Grave Dock When the winters were unforgiving From Resolven to Neath We'd float down the vale South past the ponds of the Melyn Old Ned would pull slow We were heavy and low And the Irish women were yellin' chorus We'd fill up the barge With the coal from the yard She'd weigh down low in the water But in sunshine or cold I would make bold And I'd kiss the lockkeeper's daughter And it was on to the dock By the Giant's Grave wharf Where the coal was piled high on the quay A coal ship on the tide At anchor would ride And sail off down to the sea repeat chorus She was fiery and free Just right for me Her father would not have consented But we tumbled and played In the sweet month of May By December he had relented I made her my wife We lived a good life Had children to the number of three Two girls and a boy All our pride and joy The Lockkeepers Daughter and me repeat chorus2 Bob Thomas and Huw Pudner |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Mick Tems Date: 25 Aug 09 - 05:52 AM Greetings, Huw, Nice words - have you got the tune? It deserves to be circulated. |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: GUEST,Hugo Date: 25 Aug 09 - 09:04 AM Greetings Dr Price, Thank you! Bob and I hope to come down to Llantrisant in the near future and we can sing you the tune then!! Chris Hastings and I also have a song about the little known Red Jacket canal which links the Tennant and the Neath canals.Oh, and Bob and I have a song called Mary Bottles about the Mary Bottles pond near the Tennant!! These canals are only a few hundred yards away from where we live so we felt we had to write about them...and they are very evocative. Huw |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: GUEST,Ian Bruce Date: 25 Aug 09 - 11:23 AM Hi Hugo, As you contributed as a Guest I wasn't able to contact you directly. I maintain the Songs of the Inland Waterways web-site which aims to provide a repository for songs about British canals. I have taken the liberty of including your 'Lock-keepers Daughter' song. I hope you don't mind - please let me know if you do and I will remove it. I would be happy to include the other songs you mention if you would be kind enough to provide them. I can be contacted via the web-site. Cheers, Ian Bruce |
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Neath & Swansea Junction Canal From: Newport Boy Date: 08 Jan 10 - 01:15 PM Dr Price, Sian Apologies for my lack of response. I've been occupied with a few other interests and a knee replacement. My researches did get a little further, but no more verses to the song - although I now where they are. There's a copy in the British Library catalogue, in the reference collection, shelfmark: 11652.aaa.53.(2.) It's recorded as 4pp 8vo. They also have another dozen of her poems/songs. Unfortunately, �36 for a copy is a bit too much for me. I also found the following information in D Rhys Phillips book. DRP also published papers (no dates or references) on: Our Balladists: Eliz Davies Ballad Singers of Wales Tally Ho! Some Welsh Hunting Songs Filmer Fagg was a printer in Swansea from about 1820. He opened as probably the first printer in Neath about 1828, and later returned to Swansea. Elizabeth Davies had a sweet shop in Wind Street, Neath (close to the site of the 1925 Post Office). She later lived in the Alms House, Water Street, which she left in 1855-6 and died in the Union Workhouse 27 April 1857, aged 88. DRP says of her: Her muse, though of little distinction, served a useful purpose in that it has handed down to us versed chronicles of people and events that were allowed to pass unnoticed by those who were capable of higher flights. For this she deserved the place given to her in the British Museum catalogue, which registers fifteen of her songs. DRP also gives the (uncorrected) text of a handwritten letter from Elizabeth Davies to Geo Tennant, dated Feb 1 1825. Most Worthy Sir I hope that you will parden the liberty that I have taken in makin use of your name in these imperfect lines. I did not think that they would be notised but I was mistaken for the working class of people is much pleased with them pertickerly those in your employment feels gratefull that any small trybute is offered to the merit of thear employar. They has a great decear to have them printed there is nothing in them but plain simple truth that suits theyar taste and understanding better than the fine langwedge of the great athers. I do not intend to print them without your aprobation sir if you object to the publishing of them they will be greatly disappointed for they all wishes to have copys of them sir I will intrude on you a little longar to let you know what created a desiar in me to compose these lines. .... She then continues at great length to outline her family's connection with canals. I think that's probably as far as I'm going with this. The British Library charge was for up to 100 pages, but per shelfmark, so I don't know if all ED's documents could be obtained for the same fee. Phil |
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