BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'

Subject: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 02:49 AM

Shit! They've started!

I knew it wasn't far away, because, having moved very recently and having had to change my address details with so many different utility people, I began to realise what was happening, but I didn't think they'd get away with it this fast...

So, they're going to microchip anyone outside the EU or India


....and it won't be long before ALL of us have ID cards, under this Orwellian, Controlling, Morally Corrupt and Deeply Disturbing Government!

NEVER have I felt more watched in my life, more tracked, more aware that my life is not my own any longer.

So, what the hell do we do about it?


Yup, I know....roll over and play dead, say that so many other countries have this too, and then....we go back to sleep again....


F**k the Labour Party!

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 02:59 AM

I could not even get to sign on with my new doctor without TWO forms of specific identification for each member of my family. I could not even get a LIBRARY card either, without exactly the same thing...The librarian was up in arms about it too, saying her husband had run into the same problems, because he legally changed his name about 40 years ago, and they won't accept it...She was as worried and as sick at heart about it as I was..

And we're letting it happen!

The official 'excuse' is that they're bringing in these new rules to stop 'money laundering'....well f**k that for a pathetic excuse! They're doing it because people refused to accept their National ID Policy, so they're doing it the hard way, for us, making it impossible to even breathe without identification!

Tell me, why do 'they' need to track us?????

What is the REAL reason behind ID cards????????

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 03:05 AM

And read THIS! GEEZ!

Taken from here:


"Britain will make foreigners carry RFID identity cards and will put us in a huge, Orwellian database: the rest of Britain will be next
Posted by Cory Doctorow, September 26, 2008 6:26 AM | permalink
Earlier this year, I married my British fiancee and switched my visa status from "Highly Skilled Migrant" to "Spouse." This wasn't optional: Jacqui Smith, the British Home Secretary, had unilaterally (and on 24 hours' notice) changed the rules for Highly Skilled Migrants to require a university degree, sending hundreds of long-term, productive residents of the UK away (my immigration lawyers had a client who employed over 100 Britons, had fathered two British children, and was nonetheless forced to leave the country, leaving the 100 jobless). Smith took this decision over howls of protests from the House of Lords and Parliament, who repeatedly sued her to change the rule back, winning victory after victory, but Smith kept on appealing (at tax-payer expense) until the High Court finally ordered her to relent (too late for me, alas).
Now, it seems, I will become one of the first people in Britain to be forced to carry a mandatory biometric RFID card in a pilot programme being deployed first to foreign students and we spousal visa holders (government is looking to curtail spousal visas altogether, capping all visas at 20,000 per year, including spousal visas, denying Britons the right to bring their spouses into the country once the quota has been filled). The card will be eventually linked to all of the national databases -- credit, health, driving, spending. These are the same databases that the government has been repeatedly losing and haemmorhaging by the tens of million (literally).

My family fled the Soviet Union after the war. They were displaced people (my father was born in a refugee camp in Azerbaijan) who destroyed their papers to protect themselves from the draconian authorities who sought to limit their travel and migration. I used to think it was ironic that my family had gone from Europe to Canada and back to Europe again in a generation, but now I don't know how long the Doctorows will be staying in Europe -- or at least in the UK. The green and pleasant land has suspended habeas corpus, instituted street searches without particularlized suspicion, encourages its citizens to spy and snitch on each other, and now has issued mandatory universal papers that will track we dirty immigrants as we move around our adopted "home," as part of a xenophobic campaign to arouse fear and resentment against migrants.

Many of my British friends act as if I'm crazy when I say that we must defeat Labour in the next election. We're all good lefties, and a vote for the LibDems is considered tantamount to handing the country over to the Tories. But what could the Tories do that would trump what Labour has made of the country? The Labour Party has made a police state with a melting economy, a place where rampant xenophobia makes foreigners less and less welcome -- where we are made to hand over our biometrics and carry papers as we conduct our lawful business. The only mainstream party to speak out against this measure is the LibDems, and they will have my vote.

To my friends, I say this: your Labour Party has taken my biometrics and will force me to carry the papers my grandparents destroyed when they fled the Soviet Union. In living memory, my family has been chased from its home by governments whose policies and justification the Labour Party has aped. Your Labour Party has made me afraid in Britain, and has made me seriously reconsider my settlement here. I am the father of a British citizen and the husband of a British citizen. I pay my tax. I am a natural-born citizen of the Commonwealth. The Labour Party ought not to treat me -- nor any other migrant -- in a way that violates our fundamental liberties. The Labour Party is unmaking Britain, turning it into the surveillance society that Britain's foremost prophet of doom, George Orwell, warned against. Labour admits that we migrants are only the first step, and that every indignity that they visit upon us will be visited upon you, too. If you want to live and thrive in a free country, you must defend us too: we must all hang together, or we will surely hang separately. "

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 03:12 AM

Here, you can join and support

NO2ID - 'Stop The Database State'

...please, do it.

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 03:51 AM

It's near time the government did something. Child molesters and disease-spreaders are flooding into the UK on a daily basis from these countries. Well done I say.

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 04:15 AM

"Earlier this year, I married my British fiancee and switched my visa status from "Highly Skilled Migrant" to "Spouse." This wasn't optional: Jacqui Smith, the British Home Secretary, had unilaterally (and on 24 hours' notice) changed the rules for Highly Skilled Migrants to require a university degree, sending hundreds of long-term, productive residents of the UK away (my immigration lawyers had a client who employed over 100 Britons, had fathered two British children, and was nonetheless forced to leave the country, leaving the 100 jobless). Smith took this decision over howls of protests from the House of Lords and Parliament, who repeatedly sued her to change the rule back, winning victory after victory, but Smith kept on appealing (at tax-payer expense) until the High Court finally ordered her to relent (too late for me, alas).

Now, it seems, I will become one of the first people in Britain to be forced to carry a mandatory biometric RFID card in a pilot programme being deployed first to foreign students and we spousal visa holders (government is looking to curtail spousal visas altogether, capping all visas at 20,000 per year, including spousal visas, denying Britons the right to bring their spouses into the country once the quota has been filled)."


So, they have the power to send people back, despite them being married to a British person, and despite them having lived here for years, contributing to the country...simply because these people now think that you need a degree to be 'highly skilled'?????

Geez, what the HELL is going on in my country?????

You can't send people back, when 'back' is no longer their home! They're home HERE, in Britain! They're married to a British person, you can't split people up, who love one another!   

Why isn't this all over BBC news?

Yes, it was repealed, but why aren't we shouting to the rooftops about it?

Does Labour now equal the BNP, but in a more disguised coat?

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 08:36 AM

Hmmmmm...I'm puzzled as to why no-one else has come back on this.

If it was the Conservatives doing this, would there be an Outcry? I have a feeling there would.

I've never been one to ignore something, purely because it's been done by a Party I may support, or not. If something is wrong, then it's wrong, and the Labour Party have been wrong for years and years, but this goes beyond wrong, this goes into Unbelievable!

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 09:20 AM

Guest Chris.... so they are giving British child molesters a bad name?

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Royston
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 09:37 AM

Nobody's come back Liz 'cos you are a mix of old news and total misinformation.

Nobody is being chipped. This is stupid nonsense.

ID Cards (I don't agree with them either) have been on the way for years now and they are (presently) optional. Although I expect they will be compulsory, and I disagree with that.

The ID cards do not have RFID chips, they have secure smart card chips (like a Sky or Virgin Media viewing card, or like your credit card).

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 05:35 PM

Yes, yes, I know they're not microchipping the *people*, (yet) Royston...LOL...and I know the video was a year old...but...they're already making (as in 'compulsory') some people apply for this card..


"Who receives the card and when?

On 25 November 2008, we started issuing identity cards to foreign nationals from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland who are given permission to extend their stay in the United Kingdom in certain categories. Since 31 March 2009, identity cards have also been issued to applicants in some other categories.

Our applicant category table, which can be downloaded from the right side of this page, contains a full list of the categories of applicant who must now apply for an identity card when they apply to extend their stay in the United Kingdom.

We will continue to put a sticker (vignette) in the passports of other applicants, and the two systems will run alongside each other as we introduce identity cards for other foreign nationals over the next few years.

Within three years, everyone who successfully applies to extend their stay in the United Kingdom, or who comes to the United Kingdom for more than six months, will have an identity card for foreign nationals. By 2015, we expect 90 per cent of nationals from outside the EEA or Switzerland to have a card."

Taken from here..

The Home Office site


It was interesting listening to Jeremy Clarkson earlier this evening, on his driving programme...he was talking to Jay Leno, saying that once upon a time he used to feel that a trip to the States was like being in a big prison, but with loads of food. Now, he feels it's the other way round, the way we're monitored, speed cameras everywhere (have you driven back from Stonehenge to Exeter, cameras EVERYWHERE!)..cameras on our streets, city centres, buses, trains...

Jay Leno laughed and said that in his part of America they shot the cameras out so often with their guns that they don't bother with them too much anymore.. :0)

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 06:34 PM

This sems misleading on a number of counts.

The link given above is titled "Mass Chipping in America Begins' then it turns into a newsperson talking about an "enhanced" drivers license in order to make travel easier between the U.S. and Canada/

And this thread was begun on that premise.

So where is this 'chipping'?

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 08:13 PM

I support the ID cards, I welcome CCTV on our streets. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. I would do a lot more than chip some of them, thousands vanish once they land here on a so called "short stay visa". Then cry when they are caught and shipped out. Each one seems to have a hundred social workers fighting to keep them here.

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Sep 09 - 08:43 PM

Someones been reading the Daily Mail.......

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: Folkiedave
Date: 13 Sep 09 - 05:32 PM

I have a Spanish identity card. It is very useful and I found it very easy once I had one. But in Spain even for a foreigner it is realtively easily acquired. (NB not nationality and you don't need them anymore).

Subject: RE: BS: New Labour Microchipping 'Foreigners'
From: longboat (inactive)
Date: 13 Sep 09 - 08:47 PM

I'm just wondering if GUEST,Chris would also be in favour of the use of a branding iron, or , as the Nazis did, tattoo a number on to the body?