BS: A birther in the Court

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Alice
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 02:10 PM

Yes, we have no bananas,
We have no bananas today!

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 01:52 PM

Well, see, that's the kind of sensitivity to different meanings and other distinctions of fact that gets washed away when the human mind succumbs to fear and hatred, as Ichy's has done, even when it tries deserately to cover itself up with a thin veneer of pretended reasonableness. It's just horseshit with spray paint on it.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 01:39 PM

Itchy is mischaracterizing even his own citation link.

On reading the WND link, it's clear that this "college instructor" (which may mean that he's just a part time teaching assistant, to help out with his tuition as a grad student) is either just all wet or perhaps outright lying. Adams claims that his department had access to all sorts of identification records, with the claim that they would have had the birth record if there had been one, but that his boss said they didn't have one. But the very article Itchy provides quotes a higher-up in that office that they don't have access to birth certificates.

I suppose the statement that "We don't have one" merely means that "Our office doesn't have anything like that."

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 16 Jun 10 - 12:28 AM

Has this guy been fired for unlawful misuse of personally identifying information?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 10:43 PM

Paranoid schizophrenia.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 08:31 PM

I nominate Itchy for the "Fuckwit Of The Century" award.

Anyone second the motion?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Alice
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 07:41 PM

Gee, I think Mudcat is running out of tinfoil, so much has been used up lately.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 15 Jun 10 - 07:16 PM

A college instructor who worked as senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008 is making the stunning claim Barack Obama was definitely not born in Hawaii as the White House maintains, and that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama does not even exist in the Aloha State.

"There is no birth certificate," said Tim Adams, a graduate assistant who teaches English at Western Kentucky University in Bowling Green, Ky. "It's like an open secret. There isn't one. Everyone in the government there knows this."

"I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, state driver's license information, international passport information, basically just about anything you can imagine to get someone's identity," Adams explained. "I could look up what bank your home mortgage was in. I was informed by my boss that we did not have a birth record [for Obama]."

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=165041

Some stuff on google if you search "Tim Adams Obama" too.

Obama's an illegal alien. He wasn't born in America, his legal name isn't even Barack Obama. Biggest scam ever run on the American people.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 May 10 - 06:05 PM

Natural born in the USA - considering prettywell the whole population's roots are somewhere else, that's rubbish.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 30 May 10 - 03:15 PM

Mousethief, which grandmother?

Don't ask me, ask Icky. He's the one who brought it up.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:27 PM

It occurs to me that if a president HAD to be born in the US or its territories even when his mother was a US citizen, no pregnant woman from here would dare travel to foreign lands.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 10 - 12:25 PM

"...somebody said his grandmother said..."

Mousethief, which grandmother?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 30 May 10 - 11:09 AM

IF the whole thing weren't so toxic--because of the underlying bitter and neurotic sentiment, not because of the content--it would be pitiable. Rabid bunny rabbits.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 29 May 10 - 04:54 PM

Ah well, maybe it's a good thing to keep a certain number of the teabaggers busy with the birther shit -- it keeps them from doing actual harm somewhere else.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 May 10 - 03:04 PM

Mousethief speaks true.

The only exceptions I am aware of are children of foreign ambassadors or diplomats—employees or agents of foreign governments—who are born in the United States. They would be "natural born" citizens of whatever country their parents are from. This stipulation does not apply to those who are not in the diplomatic corps, or to immigrants or visitors from foreign countries.

There is also such a thing as dual citizenship. I knew a fellow in college who was born in South Africa of British parents, but who was a naturalized citizen of the United States. The U. S. State Department wanted him to give up his British passport, but it was not a legal requirement and he wanted to retain it because it would allow him to travel to countries that were "off limits" to Americans at the time, such as the Soviet Union. He wanted to maintain the flexibility. But—he could not run for President of the United States because he was not born in the U. S., nor was he born of one or more parents who were U. S. citizens.

No, unless "birthers" such as ichAbod and his buddy, the Reverend Manning, can establish that Obama was born outside of the United States or its territories and that neither of his parents was an American citizen, they're merely running around like headless chickens and making silly noises.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 08:04 PM

The confusion is that if you're born on US soil, you're automatically a citizen. That does NOT mean, however, that if you're not born on US soil, you're not a citizen. It's a logical fallacy. Then again who said teabaggers were logicians?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 10 - 07:50 PM

Presumably if someone is born in the USA from illegal immigrants, they are still natural born American and eligible to be elected president. That'd really freak out the birthers. I hope it happens sometime.

How about children in occupied countries with American fathers and local mothers? Madame Butterfly's son, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 07:42 PM

Because they're ignorant of the actual content of the law about natural-born citizens and think if he was born in Outer Mongolia he isn't really an American citizen. I find it delightful when people are pig-ignorant about the constitution on exactly the issue they are invoking it for. Nearly as good are hyper patriots who treat the US flag in ways that violate the flag code.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 10 - 06:52 PM

So what difference would it make where Obama had been born, anyway? Hawaii, Kenya, Outer Mongolia, Alpha Centauri - so what? Just not relevant.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 May 10 - 05:20 PM

Like I said, ichy wants to believe it. His ego is all wrapped up in it. And crow really tastes lousy.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 28 May 10 - 05:14 PM

As if logic has any hold...

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 28 May 10 - 04:14 PM

There ya go, Ich. Sweet, concise, factual and to the point. A doff of the cap to Mr Firth; read it and snarl, buddy.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 28 May 10 - 03:53 PM

"Natural born" in the U. S. Constitution refers to having been born in the United States, in a United States territory, or being the offspring of a parent who is a United States citizen. One of a number of exceptions would include the child of an ambassador from a foreign country who is born while the ambassador (if the ambassador IS the mother or the wife of the ambassador) is a resident of the U. S. at the time of the birth. Children born in a foreign country, but born of a U. S. qualifies as a "natural-born citizen." And there are a number of other stipulations.

Incidentally, if the other stipulations are met, it makes no difference if the baby is born "naturally" (vaginal birth) or by Caesarian section.

The circumstances of Barack Obama's birth have been the subject of a number of court trials--in official, established courts of law—and it has been solidly established on several occasions that he was born in the city of Honolulu, on the island of Oahu, in the state of Hawaii (which had received statehood two years before), on August 4th, 1961 of a Kenyan-born father and a U. S. born mother (State of Kansas, dead center of the United States).

According to the Constitution of the United States, this solidly establishes Obama as a citizen of the United States.

The questions raised about his birth certificate have also been long since resolved. But "birthers" will never be satisfied, of course. They believe what they believe because they desperately want to believe it, and no proof on earth will induce them to think otherwise.

Don Firth

P. S. A "naturalized" citizen would be one who is born in a foreign country of foreign born parents, and who applies for U. S. citizenship, passes the necessary examinations, and then swears an oath of loyalty to the United States. Naturalized citizens do not qualify for President. For example, Arnold Schwarzenegger, current governor of the State of California, born in Austria of Austrian parents, would not be able to run for President.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 10 - 01:13 PM

What is "natural born" meant to mean anyway?

There seems to be a w2i8despread assumption it'ssomnething to do with being born on the territory of the United States, but it can't mean that, since it's quite possible for someone not actually born on the territory of the United States to be eligible to become president.(For example John McCain, who was born in Panama).

In normal language "natural born" just means it wasn't a Caesarian birth, but presumably that's not what the term means in the US Constitution. So what does it mean?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 May 10 - 07:54 AM

Have they really got nothing better to do - it's pathetic, typically loony USA!

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 27 May 10 - 10:47 PM

Seems to me none of these dire predictions and dramatic revelations made it to Reality land, Ichy.   Whatchoo tink of dot, mon?


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 27 May 10 - 09:43 PM

That about sums it up.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: GUEST,Songbob
Date: 27 May 10 - 01:53 PM

I like the coinage a poster on Balloon-Juice blog used:

The John Birth Society

Encapsulates it all in one, doesn't it?

Bob

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 May 10 - 08:54 AM

refresh.

Well????????

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Alice
Date: 15 May 10 - 12:26 AM

I'm curious about how ichMael hooked up with Mannning's church in Harlem. Unless you live in Harlem or keep an eye on kooky cults, you would not easily hear about Rev. Manning and his so called "church". Now that Manning has hooked up with birthers, he has gained more notoriety than just his previous campaign to ruin businesses in Harlem (his plan was to stop gentrification by urging people to boycott Harlem stores and banks). Manning is a typical cult leader - delusional and narcissistic.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 May 10 - 12:01 AM

He'll just shrug it off and come up with something else equally ridiculous.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 14 May 10 - 11:47 PM

I, for one, have been holding my breath.
Ichy, can we get some kind of statement from you about what your opinion/approach will be if this whole thing is a monstrous, overblown, un-noticed flop?
Naaah. I didn't think so.
Yawn.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 May 10 - 09:28 PM

Michael,

Clicky

Says it all.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 14 May 10 - 01:44 AM

Is this even bigger than Hale-Bopp?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Alice
Date: 14 May 10 - 01:00 AM

O RLY?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 14 May 10 - 12:36 AM

Tomorrow. Mark it on your calendars. Red letter day:

Starting Friday and for a full week, the Atlah World Missionary Church will hold in essence a citizen's court in what it bills as "the greatest trial in American history."

The trial, which will include legal scholars and retired court officers, will examine several issues, including Obama's birth place, his citizenship status, his academic credentials and alleged ties to the Central Intelligence Agency as a student....

Besides Obama's actual birth documentation, the still-concealed documentation for him includes kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records....

The "certification of live birth" posted online and widely touted as "Obama's birth certificate" does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same "short-form" document is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii. The true "long-form" birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only document that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny....

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=153145

And then there's this:

...investigators linked with Manning discovered that Obama never attended Columbia University as Obama claims. According to investigators, during the time when Russia was engaging Afghanistan in war during the '70s and '80s, Obama was recruited by the CIA to help the Afghanis obtain weapons because he has the muslim look and speaks the Arabic language and fit right in with CIA plans....

The Manning team also found out that Obama was not a law professor at the University of Chicago as he stated. Manning also said that there is evidence that shows both Barack Obama and Michelle Obama had their law licenses revoked and all this evidence will be given at the trial.

http://www.examiner.com/x-47432-Baton-Rouge-Republican-Examiner~y2010m5d8-Trial-by-citizen-and-keeping-the-government-accountable

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 11 May 10 - 01:32 AM

Amos you're losing your grip. Get your meds checked, man. Do you really think you can argue sense into ickymike?

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Amos
Date: 10 May 10 - 04:48 PM

Michael:

Barack Obama is an American.

He has been an American all his days.

He represents the nation, and legally and soberly serves it as Commander in Chief as well as chief executive.

He is a sterling representative of what an individual American can become with effort and intelligence: well-educated, well-balanced, literate, insightful, thoughtful, active, and striving to better the nation and the world.

If you ever do grow up, you would do well to emulate Mister Obama. Perhaps you should accelerate the process by joining the Navy.


A

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 May 10 - 03:59 PM

How many times was the earth supposed to have come to an end and the appointed date rolled by uneventfully?

The doomsayers remain undaunted. They just set a new date.

Ho hum. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 May 10 - 03:49 PM

Don't worry, matron will be along later to give you your pills.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 10 May 10 - 07:32 AM

According to my new understanding of the US legal system, I think we could convene a private trial to judge the mental competence of persons who should perhaps be institutionalized.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 May 10 - 01:59 AM

At 19, Ichmael, you should be smart enough to see through this. At age 20 you are practicing for age 40; at age 40 you will practice for age 80. It may seem to you that you have a long time but you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 10 May 10 - 01:07 AM

Oh. My. Dear. God.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 09 May 10 - 11:12 PM

Crash course.

Clinton repealed FDR's Glass-Steagall Act, which kept predatory bankers off of Wall Street. Since then, America's been taken over by foreign banks. Both Republican and Democratic politicians have been paid off to let this happen. The courts have been bought off. Clinton, Bush and Obama work for the predatory banks. The feds will not hold the govt or the banks accountable. It's gotten so outrageous, that people don't even have to qualify for office now. The only qualification needed is that you promise to serve the banks.

But to place a Kenyan (or is he Indonesian) in the white house? That's going a bit far. So Manning is calling a trial. We all have the right to do that. We don't have to sit on our hands and wait for a judge to call a trial, WE can. That's what Manning is doing.

A jury will be seated, evidence will be presented. Manning says that during his Occidental/Columbia years, Obama was running guns to the Taliban (bin Laden). He seems satisfied that he has the proof. And no matter WHERE that proof is presented, once it IS presented, the authorities have to look into it.

Manning's trial idea is sheer genius.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 May 10 - 10:51 PM

He's not the only one. Ich, don't you realize that the illustrious 'doctor' is doing the equivalent of backyard pretending? Since when does a "private" trial carry weight? High schools do it- but they are not under the misapprehension that their 'findings' have any legal status at all.

It appears to me that the 'doctor' (sorry, I can't take him seriously) is below average not only in legal knowledge but in mind power.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Alice
Date: 09 May 10 - 10:28 PM

"Dr." Manning is delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: ichMael
Date: 09 May 10 - 10:02 PM

(Apr. 27, 2010) -- ...Dr. Manning reports that he has documented evidence that Barack Hussein Obama II is not a "natural born Citizen" as required by the U.S. Constitution to be President of the United States, and that Obama also did not attend Columbia University from 1981-83 as Obama has claimed.

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you have any other key witnesses coming?

DR. MANNING: ...I have subpoenaed George Stephanopoulos, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Condolezza Rice....   

MRS. RONDEAU: Is there a penalty if anyone does not honor your subpoena?

DR. MANNING: The Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution gives us the absolute, mandated right to call for a trial with a jury of we the people sanctioned by the Constitution if we discover that the courts or government officials are not executing their duties and allowing the people due process. Thusly, the Constitution empowers our courts. We, at times, will present evidence that crimes have taken place. At that point, it becomes the responsibility of the officials to arrest those who have been charged with crimes in a public and duly-authorized hearing or court. We will point out that crimes did take place. If the court is duly authorized, then the contempt of that court is also an infraction, and you can be arrested for that as well. So anyone who does not show up can be in contempt of a duly-authorized, Tenth Amendment, constitutionally-mandated court. That's the best way to answer that.

MRS. RONDEAU: Do you have a mechanism to enforce it?

DR. MANNING: We will present the information to the local officials.

http://www.rense.com/general90/proof.htm

Five days and counting. Will Zbig be arrested? Will Condi spill the beans? Stay tuned.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: mousethief
Date: 09 May 10 - 02:02 PM

Well done, Alice!

I always thought it was Barry Wom but your logic wins out.

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Alice
Date: 09 May 10 - 01:53 PM

They say Barry Mann recorded those lyrics, but I
see the truth now! Barry... as in Barack and Mann as in you da man.
He is the answer to all those troubling questions!

Subject: RE: BS: A birther in the Court
From: Alice
Date: 09 May 10 - 01:49 PM

Yes and

Who put the bomp in the bomp bah bomp bah bomp?

Who put the ram in the Rama-Lama-Ding-Dong?

Who was that man?

I bet it was Obama.