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Subject: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: skarpi Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:06 PM well all , again he is trying to save his future in politics ..... he said this about the banks and Icesave: And so I tell you this about our aims for the rescue of the banks: the British people will not pay for the banks. No, the banks will pay back the British people. Let me tell you for sure that the Icelandic banks are not going to pay all the Icesave back , why becouse they can´t what they own is not enough to pay back , so where does it end , well on me and 319.999. thousand people of Iceland , people who have and is loosing everything that they have saved, most of the people did not take any part of this stupit greedy way that the bank offered . The workers and the middle class people are those who are loosing all , me as well in few months if I cant save my ass from it :>) And that is what is goin on here , we the people who are loosing everything are not ready to agree about the Icesave . Also those bankmen who caused this crisis , walk free , so feel free to take them to court , we don´t care . well I hope you dont have to pay for this , but we will have to if the coverment of Iceland agrees Icesave as it is now . And that means Slavery for next 50 years to come for the workers and the middle class , in form of high taxes and in less health care less schools and so on Now make no mistake that I want you all to get your money back , those bankmen took away lot of millions and millions of euro´s and pounds away to cayman islands and other playses , and they should pay back the money they stole not just from you , also from us, and many more people . If Icesave is not agreed , it will surely be come , and it will make a conflickt between UK , Holland and Iceland . One thing is sure : the IMF is controled of UK and Holland and EU and the Nortic countrys , , no loans until Icesave is ready to go . The other day we saw a film about the IMF : the econamy chost it was called , very interesting film . the IMF is used agains us , time is runnin away from us , things are getting worse , becouse UK and Holland are using IMF to make things their way . Mr , Gordon Brown I hope you have a good future , but what you are about to but on children and unborn children of Iceland in the future is slavery and nothing else . I know our banks made many people sorrow, but its not my or my childrens fault is it . may we all live in peace , but I will be afraid that there is goin to be a large wound between those country´s for long time . Help us to take those men away , many of them lives in UK ( London ) at least you can , its strange that our coverment won´t do it unless they change the law. And somhow they won´t do that , and that is strange at least I say . here is news about IMF : http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/09/29/pm-iceland-cannot-wait-much-longer-for-imf-payout/ and her is Gordon Brown : http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/29/gordon-brown-labour-conference-speech-in-full and her is more from our primeminester: http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=29314&ew_0_a_id=346068 sorry about my blue click . well all the best Skarpi Iceland . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:23 PM And your point in one sentence Skarpi? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: John MacKenzie Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:24 PM Skarpi, I THINK Gordon Brown was talking about the UK banks that have been bailed out by the British taxpayers. There have been problems with UK banks as well my friend, unfortunatly Iceland, although it is undoubtedly the biggest loser, has not been the only country who's banks have gone to the wall. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: skarpi Date: 29 Sep 09 - 06:08 PM yes he was talkin about people in UK , thats for sure ........ the point is we people of Iceland are not going pay either Villan that for sure and make no mistake about that . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Gervase Date: 30 Sep 09 - 03:05 AM Looks like you certainly need some knowledge Linda, dropping in randomly like that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) Date: 30 Sep 09 - 05:21 AM Sorry, Skarpi, but Gordon Brown's responsiblity is to the UK, not the people of Iceland. I'm sorry for what's happened to your economy and your banks but I don't imagine too many Icelanders were complaining when all the foreign savings were coming into the country (same as in Ireland). The economic mess in your country is your government's fault, not ours. I think Gordon Brown's speech was pretty damn good, as it happens, and if anything it should focus all our minds on why, for all the faults of this government, we need to keep Labour in and keep the Tories out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Stu Date: 30 Sep 09 - 06:06 AM In fact Skarpi, pray Brown stays in. If he doesn't, you'll find Cameron and his mates a whole lot less bothered about anyone but themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:09 AM Gordon Brown is the worst Prime Minister we have ever had! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:11 AM On the contrary, his steps in reaction to the banks' folly and theft bid fair to make the UK the first major country rising out of recession. Certainly our unemployment is considerably lower than France and Germany. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:12 AM With the Sun giving up on Labour that's one major reason for not voting Labour gone. And having the Sun saying "Vote Tory" is another reason not to. I think you've got a pretty short memory Villan! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:36 AM Nah,I have a very good memory. I didn't mention any party. I said Gordon Brown IMHO is the worst Prime Minister we have had. Yes we have had some bad ens but none as bad and as hated as Gordon Brown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: John MacKenzie Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:47 AM Depends on what your criterion is, in my book he's a far better man, and more of a socialist, than his predecessor. TB for me was the worst thing to happen to UK politics in a long time, and he certainly alienated a lot of Labour voters. JM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:57 AM I judge on all parties not just Labour |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Stu Date: 30 Sep 09 - 09:36 AM "Gordon Brown is the worst Prime Minister we have ever had!" I can't agree Villan. Thatcher was by far the worst Prime Minister we've ever had, as her and her apostles set us on the course we've charted ever since. Major was a joke designed to stop Hesletine becoming PM, Blair a shallow, witless, poultroon seduced by the establishment, the right wing and big business and Brown is unpopular but at least a man of some substance. I think. Cameron is a front for the old tory party; a marionette for toffs and Thatcherite wonks. Don't believe for a second this leopard has changed it's spots; if the tories get elected it will set back the political process in this country by a generation at least. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 30 Sep 09 - 09:52 AM Isn't that what labour have done already Jack? I have voted Labour and Tory in my time and dependant on who I thought would make the best leader at the time. I never voted for Brown (I am making a right FU of the country) in. He might be a good chancellor, but Prime Minister NFW |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Sep 09 - 11:14 AM On a point of order Villan, you can't vote for Brown even if you wanted to, or for Cameron, or anyone else, other than the candidates standing for election in your local constituency. The only people who can vote for Brown or Cameron are the people who live in the constituencies which those two are candidates in. Just thought it was worth mentioning! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: skarpi Date: 30 Sep 09 - 12:58 PM chris B economic mess in your country is your government's fault, not ours. your coverment had to give the Icelandic banks green light to work in UK , that s not the job of our coverment is it , both coverment fault , becouse the people who should been watching and monetouring the banks in both countrys fell . any way , our coverment is falling , today minester of healt quit , becouse of Icesave, and the coverment is dead . so only the future know what will be. kv Skarpi |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:23 PM "most hated prime minister" - no one even compares to Thatcher when it comes to being hated. Gordon Brown may come across as wooden, and he's made some mistakes all right (notably backing Blair for all those years, and carrying on with they New Labour nonsense when he had the chance to change things), but I can't think of much he's done that would merit hatred. The financial meltdown happened on his watch, but I can't envisage that a different prime minister, or a different party, would have handled it as well, let alone done better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:26 PM You are dead right BWM - you smart arse :-) I should of course have said that I voted for the party that I thought had the best leader at the time, so that meant I voted for the person where I lived who was in the same party as the leader of the party I wanted to vote for. LOL I'll get me voat |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: The Sandman Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:32 PM Villan,sorry I totally disagree with you. I think Brown,has a bit to recommend him,I think he is better than Blair,and better than any of the other main party leaders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:53 PM Well we can't always have the same viewpoint :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:58 PM McGrath as usual is right |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Sep 09 - 03:15 PM LOL, Villan! :-) And spot on McG. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Linda Kelly Date: 30 Sep 09 - 04:13 PM People seem to villify Gordon Brown & labour- I can't work out why-possibly the mimimum wage or children's tax credits or the 5% increase in State pensions last year or the car scrappage scheme or better wages for doctors and nurses or new schools and hospitals, but dammit all they banned fox hunting didn't they? -the vile swines!!! Seems people are high on rhetoric but short on reason. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Sep 09 - 04:35 PM The car scrappage scheme was stupid and has done and continues to do incalculable harm to our automotive history. It puts money largely into foreign hands - the owners of the factories subsidised - although it has a marginal effect on job availability. It should have been limited to vehicles under 15 years old. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: GUEST,eric the viking Date: 30 Sep 09 - 05:30 PM How on earth can one compare Brown (Who I am not over fond of) with Thatcher and Co? Or even the Labour party come to that in comparison to the Tory party that showed; greed was good, dismantled the welfare state, introduced the poll tax, closed the mines, sold off nationised industries (Whether they were poorly run or not) to their rich friends, cheaply, after ruining them? Who Imported cheap foreign coal and closed the mines destroying the community? Who turned the police into their own personal private army? Who set the levels of banding for council tax making the poorer pay disproportionately higher rates than the rich with their huge houses? There are many things that need to be remembered before the next election. They could all be listed, but it would be a long list !!! Nothing will convince me that the tory party have changed !! Have they sudenly appealled to the working ordinary peoople? Have they turned their backs on the creation of huge personal wealth at the expense of others? Not likely. Short memories some people and many other younger ones no experience of what it was like. (By the way I do remember the three day week and power cuts etc and am not excusing them) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: ButterandCheese Date: 30 Sep 09 - 05:41 PM Skarpi, on anothe rthread I forget which, you told someone to basically mind their own business and stay out of Icelandic affairs....this conference is taking place in the UK, not Iceland, so...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: The Sandman Date: 30 Sep 09 - 06:09 PM I like Skarpi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Linda Kelly Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:31 PM but the scrappage scheme has regenerated the car retail sector which in the long run can only be good for car manafacturing in general -it was a small measure but successful I don't think it was ever intended to be the saviour of the entire industry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Stu Date: 01 Oct 09 - 03:57 AM "Isn't that what labour have done already Jack?" Not on the scale the tories want to. For starters, they fully intend finishing off the job of destroying the unions started by Thatcher. They will cap party donations at £50k for both the corporate sector (which is needed) and unions. This will essentially pull the rug from under Labour in terms of funding as the unions are their main contributors, each member's subs goes partly to funding the party they set up. This is very bad news indeed. As the Labour party was started by the unions for the working people (a fact lost on many NuLabour wonks it would seem) this means the end of the modern Labour movement. The key social reforms of the last 100 years have been Labour reforms: the NHS, the minimum wage, nationalisation of the country's infrastructure. All the suffering from the Tolpuddle Martyrs, the strikers of 1927, the miners etc will have been in vain. Without the tempering of the political left we will end up in the same state as the US with essentially right-wing parties vying for power with not a lot to choose between them in real terms. Coupled with that, Scotland will not tolerate tory rule and would more than likely vote for independence in the referendum next year if Cameron get's in. If that happens Labour will loose it's core of Scottish MP's that sit in Westminster and be unlikely ever to form a majority as the Welsh don't have the numbers and the South-East of England, which effectively dominates the country is almost wholly tory. This would be a disaster as finally the old Etonians and public schoolboy network will come to further dominate British politics. We'll loose the NHS, the minimum wage and they will finally sell off what remains of the family jewels in an orgy of privatisation. Forget equality, education and healthcare. Forget society - they still think there's no such thing. I agree Labour have let us down to an extent by sucking up to the right and starting unwinnable wars, but they have also made big inroads in social reform that make millions of people's lives better. If the tories get in, then the likes of the people that caused the financial disaster Skarpi wrongly blames on British politicians, the dedicated, unelected, unaccountable capitalist elite, will have free reign over us all and to them we are a revenue source and not citizens of a democracy. Did I say a generation? Perhaps I should change that to forever. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Oct 09 - 04:45 AM Amen, Jack. "the likes of the people that caused the financial disaster Skarpi wrongly blames on British politicians, the dedicated, unelected, unaccountable capitalist elite, will have free reign over us all and to them we are a revenue source and not citizens of a democracy" Did you get that, Skarpi? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Nigel Parsons Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:01 AM I'll have some of what he's on! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:08 AM But Sugarfoot Jack has it exactly right. However, the conference has proved good for Labour in that it is now (well last night) only 7 percentage points adrift of the COnservatives, and the message is out that quite probably Brown has saved the economy. A few good gaffes from the Conservatives about clampdowns on unions, tax rises, and service cuts might be enough to do the trick. Personally, if I were Brown, I'd now declare open war on media control and bring that bastard Murdoch down, by fair means or foul(within reason). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Stu Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:59 AM Agreed: James Murdoch is a bona fide enemy of the people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Nigel Parsons Date: 01 Oct 09 - 05:59 AM and the message is out that quite probably Brown has saved the economy That is good for Gordon, until you remember who it was that wrecked the economy in the first place. He told us there would be no more 'Boom & Bust' and so kept spending money he didn't have during what he thought was a neverending boom, leaving us with our biggest ever debts when the bust eventually came. Of course, we could always fall back on our gold reserves, if Gordon hadn't manage the amazing feat of selling them when gold was at a low point in its value! The sooner Gordon goes the better for the Labour Party & for the country! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 01 Oct 09 - 06:14 AM Labour have done exactly what they did the previous time they were in. Literally brought the country to its knees and in big debt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Oct 09 - 07:33 AM And the Tories will do exactly what they did last time they came in - turn a crisis into a total disaster. .......................... Talk about Gordon being too wooden reminds me of Aesop's fable of the frogs who asked Zeus to send them a king. He sent them a log of wood to be their king. They got bored with him, and asked for a real king who woudl be more exciting. So he sent them a stork "Very well", said Zeus - "here is your new king," and sent a large stork to the pond. The stork began to eat up all the frogs. They called out to Zeus to save them. He refused. The frogs now made their choice. Now they had to face the consequences. There seem to be an awful lot of frogs around these days. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 01 Oct 09 - 08:53 AM There seem to be an aweful lot of people in this country that want Labout out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 01 Oct 09 - 08:54 AM that want Labour* out |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Stu Date: 01 Oct 09 - 10:43 AM Well, vote Conservative and this is what you've got to look forward to: "It is rumoured that The Sun had made it clear that it would not back the party as long as Dominic Grieve remained Shadow Home Secretary. The previous Sun Editor, Rebekah Wade had made that clear after an unhappy dinner she had had with the man now moved to the Justice portfolio."(from a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2009/09/the-dead-parrot-tories-are-resurrected-in-the-sun.html">conservativehome.blogs.com note it's a Tory blog) So is Cameron making deals to ensure the support of the second biggest arserag available? Let's be clear about this. If true, an unelected, unaccountable foreign national is using his influence (via his editor) to shape the makeup of the shadow cabinet. Presumably he'll do the same if Cameron's made PM. If this doesn't set alarm bells ringing in your head then I'm not sure what will. Democracy? Unless you're rich, prepare to be abandoned. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Nigel Parsons Date: 01 Oct 09 - 11:08 AM Sugarfoot Jack: It seems a little pointless to rely on hearsay. Even the quote you give starts "it is rumoured". And as for: |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:00 PM "There seem to be an aweful lot of people in this country that want Labour out." There seem to be an awful lot of people in this country that have very short memories! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Gervase Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:31 PM A lot of people seem keen to say how much they hate Brown, but none of the reasons really stands up. Certainly most of the other G20 leaders say he has done pretty damned well in the face of the global economic crisis, while the list of Labour achievements he reeled off in his conference speech looks pretty impressive to me - and I'm not a knee-jerk Labour voter. By contrast Cameron comes across as an opportunist lightweight whose policies are remarkably sketchy - save for the scrapping of inheritance tax for the country's 3,000 wealthiest estates. Even if you regard all politicians as inveterate sleazebags, the choice would seem to be between a a humourless bunch of do-gooders with a bathplug and some smutty videos on account as opposed to a claque of Old Etonians touting duck-houses, moats and swimming pools. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:37 PM Most folkies have memory problems these days don't they :-) Now what was I going to say |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 01 Oct 09 - 12:43 PM Maybe it is possible to consider the Lib Dems, Gervais. I don't fancy Labour or Conservatives anymore. Its the same old bullshit from both parties. Now what was I going to say. Oh yes we are sold out at Faldingworth Live for this Saturday when we hav ethe fantastic Churchfitters on. Is that what I meant to say. Oh I don't know anymore |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 Oct 09 - 01:55 PM Awful is the word. .................. "Maybe it is possible to consider the Lib Dems" And if you are in a constituency where the Lib Dem has a chance under the present bent electoral system, that makes sense. Voting for whoever is most likely to bring electoral reform also makes sense. Gordon's promise of a referendum on that strengthens the case for Lib Dem sympathisers to vote tactically for Labour where the Lib Dem hasn't a chance. (And obviously any sensible Labour supporters will vote Lib Dem wherever that is the best hope of keeping out the Tory.) Of course Labour promised that in 1997, and has made no efforts whatsoever to keep the promise all these years, but there is no prospect of the Tories doing anything to reform the voting system. A hung parliament would probably be the best outcome - and that only happens if a lot more people vote Labour, and in some cases Lib Dem, than seems too likely at present. If the Tories win it will likely mean Scotland going independent in a couple of years, which means the end of the United Kingdom, and goodbye to the Union Jack. On the other hand we'd be stuck with the Tories for the forseseeable future. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Richard Bridge Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:47 AM It's all very well to say that GB brought the system down, but it isn't really true. Labour choices were trammelled by the legacy of the Thatcher belief system, the "me" generation when B. Liar first came to power, and that particular public schoolboy never really believed in the need to control capitalism (as neither, dangerously, does the willowy Mandelbaum). That meant that revenues to do public good had to be derived through the capitalist sytem, hence the pursuit of growth options. It was the inheritance from Thatcher and B.Liar (and that from Ronnie Raygun in the USA) that brought the system down, not Brown. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 02 Oct 09 - 04:57 AM "Ronnie Raygun" Hehe!! Is that an old one, must be surely? Never heard it before, but it's just too apt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:22 AM Get a job with sex and travel Weksisupe Basically FO |
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Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference From: Rasener Date: 02 Oct 09 - 06:28 AM Richard, stop using the tories as an excuse for Labour's and particulary Gordon Brown's incompetence. How long has Labour been in power? How long does it take a government to prove that they are doing a good job, without blaming the opposition. |
