BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: GUEST,eric the viking
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 05:30 PM

How on earth can one compare Brown (Who I am not over fond of) with Thatcher and Co? Or even the Labour party come to that in comparison to the Tory party that showed; greed was good, dismantled the welfare state, introduced the poll tax, closed the mines, sold off nationised industries (Whether they were poorly run or not) to their rich friends, cheaply, after ruining them? Who Imported cheap foreign coal and closed the mines destroying the community? Who turned the police into their own personal private army? Who set the levels of banding for council tax making the poorer pay disproportionately higher rates than the rich with their huge houses? There are many things that need to be remembered before the next election. They could all be listed, but it would be a long list !!! Nothing will convince me that the tory party have changed !! Have they sudenly appealled to the working ordinary peoople? Have they turned their backs on the creation of huge personal wealth at the expense of others? Not likely. Short memories some people and many other younger ones no experience of what it was like. (By the way I do remember the three day week and power cuts etc and am not excusing them)

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 04:35 PM

The car scrappage scheme was stupid and has done and continues to do incalculable harm to our automotive history. It puts money largely into foreign hands - the owners of the factories subsidised - although it has a marginal effect on job availability.

It should have been limited to vehicles under 15 years old.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 04:13 PM

People seem to villify Gordon Brown & labour- I can't work out why-possibly the mimimum wage or children's tax credits or the 5% increase in State pensions last year or the car scrappage scheme or better wages for doctors and nurses or new schools and hospitals, but dammit all they banned fox hunting didn't they? -the vile swines!!! Seems people are high on rhetoric but short on reason.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 03:15 PM

LOL, Villan! :-)

And spot on McG.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:58 PM

McGrath as usual is right

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:53 PM

Well we can't always have the same viewpoint :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:32 PM

Villan,sorry I totally disagree with you.
I think Brown,has a bit to recommend him,I think he is better than Blair,and better than any of the other main party leaders.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:26 PM

You are dead right BWM - you smart arse :-)

I should of course have said that I voted for the party that I thought had the best leader at the time, so that meant I voted for the person where I lived who was in the same party as the leader of the party I wanted to vote for. LOL

I'll get me voat

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 01:23 PM

"most hated prime minister" - no one even compares to Thatcher when it comes to being hated.

Gordon Brown may come across as wooden, and he's made some mistakes all right (notably backing Blair for all those years, and carrying on with they New Labour nonsense when he had the chance to change things), but I can't think of much he's done that would merit hatred. The financial meltdown happened on his watch, but I can't envisage that a different prime minister, or a different party, would have handled it as well, let alone done better.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: skarpi
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 12:58 PM

chris B

economic mess in your country is your government's fault, not ours.

your coverment had to give the Icelandic banks green light to work
in UK , that s not the job of our coverment is it , both coverment fault , becouse the people who should been watching and monetouring
the banks in both countrys fell .

any way , our coverment is falling , today minester of healt
quit , becouse of Icesave, and the coverment is dead .

so only the future know what will be.

kv Skarpi

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 11:14 AM

On a point of order Villan, you can't vote for Brown even if you wanted to, or for Cameron, or anyone else, other than the candidates standing for election in your local constituency.

The only people who can vote for Brown or Cameron are the people who live in the constituencies which those two are candidates in.

Just thought it was worth mentioning! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 09:52 AM

Isn't that what labour have done already Jack?

I have voted Labour and Tory in my time and dependant on who I thought would make the best leader at the time.

I never voted for Brown (I am making a right FU of the country) in. He might be a good chancellor, but Prime Minister NFW

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Stu
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 09:36 AM

"Gordon Brown is the worst Prime Minister we have ever had!"

I can't agree Villan. Thatcher was by far the worst Prime Minister we've ever had, as her and her apostles set us on the course we've charted ever since.

Major was a joke designed to stop Hesletine becoming PM, Blair a shallow, witless, poultroon seduced by the establishment, the right wing and big business and Brown is unpopular but at least a man of some substance. I think.

Cameron is a front for the old tory party; a marionette for toffs and Thatcherite wonks. Don't believe for a second this leopard has changed it's spots; if the tories get elected it will set back the political process in this country by a generation at least.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:57 AM

I judge on all parties not just Labour

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:47 AM

Depends on what your criterion is, in my book he's a far better man, and more of a socialist, than his predecessor.
TB for me was the worst thing to happen to UK politics in a long time, and he certainly alienated a lot of Labour voters.

JM

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:36 AM

Nah,I have a very good memory. I didn't mention any party. I said Gordon Brown IMHO is the worst Prime Minister we have had. Yes we have had some bad ens but none as bad and as hated as Gordon Brown.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 08:12 AM

With the Sun giving up on Labour that's one major reason for not voting Labour gone.

And having the Sun saying "Vote Tory" is another reason not to.

I think you've got a pretty short memory Villan!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:11 AM

On the contrary, his steps in reaction to the banks' folly and theft bid fair to make the UK the first major country rising out of recession. Certainly our unemployment is considerably lower than France and Germany.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Rasener
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 07:09 AM

Gordon Brown is the worst Prime Minister we have ever had!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Stu
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 06:06 AM

In fact Skarpi, pray Brown stays in. If he doesn't, you'll find Cameron and his mates a whole lot less bothered about anyone but themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 05:21 AM

Sorry, Skarpi, but Gordon Brown's responsiblity is to the UK, not the people of Iceland. I'm sorry for what's happened to your economy and your banks but I don't imagine too many Icelanders were complaining when all the foreign savings were coming into the country (same as in Ireland). The economic mess in your country is your government's fault, not ours.

I think Gordon Brown's speech was pretty damn good, as it happens, and if anything it should focus all our minds on why, for all the faults of this government, we need to keep Labour in and keep the Tories out.

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Gervase
Date: 30 Sep 09 - 03:05 AM

Looks like you certainly need some knowledge Linda, dropping in randomly like that!

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: skarpi
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 06:08 PM

yes he was talkin about people in UK , thats for sure ........

the point is we people of Iceland are not going pay either Villan
that for sure and make no mistake about that .

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:24 PM

Skarpi, I THINK Gordon Brown was talking about the UK banks that have been bailed out by the British taxpayers.
There have been problems with UK banks as well my friend, unfortunatly Iceland, although it is undoubtedly the biggest loser, has not been the only country who's banks have gone to the wall.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: Rasener
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:23 PM

And your point in one sentence Skarpi?

Subject: BS: Gordon Brown's Labour conference
From: skarpi
Date: 29 Sep 09 - 05:06 PM

well all , again he is trying to save his future in politics .....

he said this about the banks and Icesave:

And so I tell you this about our aims for the rescue of the banks: the British people will not pay for the banks. No, the banks will pay back the British people.

Let me tell you for sure that the Icelandic banks are not going to pay
all the Icesave back , why becouse they can´t what they own is not enough to pay back , so where does it end , well on me and 319.999.
thousand people of Iceland , people who have and is loosing everything
that they have saved, most of the people did not take any part of this stupit greedy way that the bank offered . The workers and the middle class people are those who are loosing all , me as well
in few months if I cant save my ass from it :>)

And that is what is goin on here , we the people who are loosing
everything are not ready to agree about the Icesave .
Also those bankmen who caused this crisis , walk free , so feel free
to take them to court , we don´t care .

well I hope you dont have to pay for this , but we will have to if the coverment of Iceland agrees Icesave as it is now . And that
means Slavery for next 50 years to come for the workers and the middle class , in form of high taxes and in less health care
less schools and so on

Now make no mistake that I want you all to get your money back , those bankmen took away lot of millions and millions of euro´s and pounds
away to cayman islands and other playses , and they should pay back
the money they stole not just from you , also from us, and many more people .

If Icesave is not agreed , it will surely be come , and it will
make a conflickt between UK , Holland and Iceland .

One thing is sure : the IMF is controled of UK and Holland and EU
and the Nortic countrys , , no loans until Icesave is ready to go .
The other day we saw a film about the IMF : the econamy chost it
was called , very interesting film .

the IMF is used agains us , time is runnin away from us , things
are getting worse , becouse UK and Holland are using IMF to make
things their way .

Mr , Gordon Brown I hope you have a good future , but what you are
about to but on children and unborn children of Iceland in the future
is slavery and nothing else .
I know our banks made many people sorrow, but its not my or my
childrens fault is it .

may we all live in peace , but I will be afraid that there is
goin to be a large wound between those country´s for long time .

Help us to take those men away , many of them lives in UK ( London )
at least you can , its strange that our coverment won´t do it
unless they change the law. And somhow they won´t do that , and that is strange at least I say .

here is news about IMF : http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2009/09/29/pm-iceland-cannot-wait-much-longer-for-imf-payout/

and her is Gordon Brown : http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/29/gordon-brown-labour-conference-speech-in-full

and her is more from our primeminester: http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=29314&ew_0_a_id=346068

sorry about my blue click .

well all the best Skarpi Iceland .