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Subject: RE: England My England
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 12:57 PM

there not their.

Subject: RE: England My England
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 12:58 PM

And no, I am not proud of that silly 300 stroke
L in C

Subject: RE: England My England
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 12:59 PM

Thanks Soldier never sure which one to go for

L in C

Subject: RE: England My England
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 01:03 PM

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Court told 'unnaturally loud' sex was hell for neighbours

By Rod Minchin

Tuesday, November 10, 2009

A BRITISH couple's nightly sex sessions were so loud they made their neighbours' lives hell, a court has heard.

Caroline and Steve Cart-wright's lovemaking was described as "murder" and "unnatural" and drowned out their neighbours' televisions. But it was not just the neighbours who were up in arms about the noise coming from their terraced house on Tyne and Wear – even the local postman and a woman who walked past the house taking her child to school complained.

A judge at Newcastle Crown Court even listened to a 10-minute recording of the romps, recorded over a five-day period last August.

Neighbours said the sex sessions would usually start at about midnight and last for two or three hours, every night of the week.

Ms Cartwright is appealing her conviction for breaching a noise abatement notice that banned the couple from "shouting, screaming or vocalisation at such a level as to be a statutory nuisance". She is using article 8 of the Human Rights Act to argue that she has a right to "respect for her private and family life".

Next-door neighbourRachel O'Connor said she was frequently late for work because she had overslept, having been awake most of the night due to the noise.

"It is not very pleasant living there and it has been quite stressful," she told the court. "The noise sounds like they are both in considerable pain. I cannot describe the noise. Totally excessive and I have never ever heard anything like it. I put my telly in my bedroom on as loud as it could go and they drown it out."

Giving evidence, Ms Cartwright, 48, who is unemployed, said she was unable to control the noise she made during sex and it was not "on purpose".

She said the stress of the complaints made her turn to drink and she was now on antidepressants.

"After I got the noise abatement notice I tried to control it. I even tried to use a pillow [over my face] to try and lessen the noise," she said. "I wasn't enjoying it so I started to cry and my husband said, 'If you want to make a noise, make a noise.'

"I did not understand why people asked me to be quiet because to me it is normal."

She said she "tried to minimise the situation by having sex in the morning" so the noise was "not waking anybody".

The hearing was adjourned until today.



This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Tuesday, November 10, 2009

Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2009/1110/ireland/court-told-unnaturally-loud-sex-was-hell-for-neighbours-105251.html#ixzz0WTqQTzKa

Subject: RE: England My England
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 01:23 PM

Now that's the kind of insightful and penetrating (pun intended) journalism that makes me proud to be British!

Subject: RE: England My England
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 03:09 PM

Sorry, but I don't see Walkaboutsverse as the person needing regulation. If you find him disagreeable, leave him alone. We prohibit personal attacks, not distasteful thinking. It appears that you are far closer to being in violation of Mudcat rules than he is. The fact that a sizable mob at Mudcat has been treating WAV as a scapegoat for a considerable length of time, is no justification for the the continuation of this harassment.
If you don't like his poetry, leave him alone. This self-righteous mob harassing WAV and others, is an embarrassment to Mudcat.
-Joe Offer, Forum Moderator-

I don't find Walkaboutsverse personally disagreeable, rather I take issue with his published ideology. There is a world of difference. I criticise his published work - he retaliates with personal attacks. It is this sort of self-righteous moderation that is an embarrassment to mudcat, Joe - not the defence of the fundamental liberties of English culture which Walkaboutsverse so resolutely opposes and publicises in his published work.

And I am one individual, not a mob.

Subject: RE: England My England
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 03:53 PM

Wrong.
You are part of a mob that has been attacking and ridiculing WAV for a very long time. You and the mob personalize your attacks, instead of refuting the ideas he expresses. I agree that his thinking is repugnant, and I agree with civil attempts to refute what he says. What you label as "personal attacks" from WAV, seem to me to be quite civil responses.

Read this message you posted aloud, and then tell me why I shouldn't think it is a personal attack:

WAV - fuck off with your racist / fascist bullshit already.

And the same thing goes in the BNP threads - we do not allow personal attacks, even from those whose cause is righteous. We DO allow the free expression of ideas, even though those ideas may be repugnant.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: England My England
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:28 PM

If people post racist and fascist crap - as WAV does consistently - then I will tell indeed them to fuck off with their inhuman and inhumane ideology. I can assure you, there is nothing personal in this, unlike WAV's so-called civil responses which, bizarrely, you find so acceptable.

Subject: RE: England My England
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 04:55 PM

Yeah, I suppose that if somebody says "kiss my ass" a time or two and doesn't carry on extended combat, I'm not going to like it - but I'm not going to bother with it.

What does the greatest harm at Mudcat is extended combat, particularly the ganging up on people the Mudcat Mob deems unacceptable. When I see extended combat or bullying, I'm going to put a stop to it, no matter how "righteous" the cause of those who are doing the bullying.

-Joe Offer-

And Suibhne O'Piobaireachd, to be sure you understand me correctly, let me say this: if you continue to tell people to fuck off, I will ensure that you won't. In this forum, that is not considered "civil conduct." And neither is "kiss my ass." Those are known as 'fighting words,' and we're not going to allow them here. If they're said once and that's the end of it - well, we're not going to bother with that penny-ante kind of stuff. If it's something that's continued, then we're bound to put a stop to it.

Subject: and furthermore.....
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 09 - 05:56 PM

People complain that moderation at Mudcat is inconsistent, and I'm getting really tired of that allegation because it's simply untrue. While our moderation may be inconsistent with your standards, it is completely consistent with ours. We do not edit out unacceptable speech. That is not our job. Our job is only to keep the peace, and to use the minimal moderation to accomplish that. So, if somebody posts something that doesn't cause an uproar, We're not going to deal with it unless Mick or I receive a specific complaint about that specific post (and sometimes, as Suibhne O'Piobaireachd learned today, we may not agree with the complainer).

But if there's an uproar, even if the uproar fits all your standards of righteousness, we're going to put a stop to it.

No matter what the Mudcat Mob may think, Mudcat's standards of righteousness do not allow anyone or any group to beat up on any individual, no matter how unacceptable that person's ideas may be.

So, don't beat up on people, even if they're wrong. Refuting their ideas is strongly encouraged.

-Joe-

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I had closed this thread because there has been quite enough nastiness in the last several posts, but I guess I'll reopen it and see if maybe people are starting to get the point.
-Joe Offer-