Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Printer Friendly - Home
Page: [1] [2]


Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?

Lowcountry 28 Jul 99 - 10:20 AM
Roger the zimmer 28 Jul 99 - 10:23 AM
Rick Fielding 28 Jul 99 - 10:30 AM
Mudjack 28 Jul 99 - 10:58 AM
Steve Parkes 28 Jul 99 - 11:00 AM
Roger the zimmer 28 Jul 99 - 11:15 AM
Peter T. 28 Jul 99 - 11:31 AM
Neil Lowe 28 Jul 99 - 11:40 AM
Tony Burns 28 Jul 99 - 11:41 AM
Bill D 28 Jul 99 - 12:38 PM
Mudjack 28 Jul 99 - 12:46 PM
Lowcountry 28 Jul 99 - 03:16 PM
Ferrara 28 Jul 99 - 05:03 PM
bseed(charleskratz) 28 Jul 99 - 05:34 PM
Barbara Shaw 28 Jul 99 - 05:43 PM
catspaw49 28 Jul 99 - 05:53 PM
cathy 28 Jul 99 - 06:17 PM
Banjer 28 Jul 99 - 06:34 PM
Lowcountry 28 Jul 99 - 07:02 PM
DougR 28 Jul 99 - 07:11 PM
Mark Clark 28 Jul 99 - 07:36 PM
John in Brisbane 28 Jul 99 - 07:44 PM
Bryant 28 Jul 99 - 08:28 PM
Barbara Shaw 28 Jul 99 - 08:56 PM
Mark Clark 28 Jul 99 - 10:58 PM
WyoWoman 29 Jul 99 - 12:29 AM
darkriver 29 Jul 99 - 01:16 AM
Cathy 29 Jul 99 - 06:56 AM
Peter T. 29 Jul 99 - 09:32 AM
Rick Fielding 29 Jul 99 - 11:32 AM
CarlZen 30 Jul 99 - 12:12 AM
bseed(charleskratz) 30 Jul 99 - 02:28 AM
cathy 30 Jul 99 - 06:43 AM
Rick Fielding 30 Jul 99 - 10:10 AM
Pete Peterson 30 Jul 99 - 05:33 PM
wysiwyg 07 Jun 02 - 01:22 AM
GUEST,anahootz 07 Jun 02 - 01:41 AM
BlueSage 07 Jun 02 - 03:26 AM
Genie 07 Jun 02 - 04:02 AM
The Fooles Troupe 12 Feb 05 - 01:27 AM
Bert 12 Feb 05 - 01:51 AM
Cluin 12 Feb 05 - 01:54 AM
Bert 12 Feb 05 - 02:20 AM
Teresa 12 Feb 05 - 02:25 AM
GUEST,stickaforkinmeandturnemoveri'mdone 12 Feb 05 - 03:56 PM
Cluin 12 Feb 05 - 07:53 PM
open mike 12 Feb 05 - 09:59 PM
Kaleea 13 Feb 05 - 12:46 AM
Cluin 13 Feb 05 - 12:48 AM
Teresa 13 Feb 05 - 12:54 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum Child
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Lowcountry
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 10:20 AM

Most of the jams in this part of the South are bluegrass jams. The problem is I can't bring myself to really love bluegrass. I like the music fine, but the words always suck. I mean, any music genre whose accepted standard is "Fox on the Run" might have a problem. Are there any decent bluegrass songs with some emotional substance and pretty lyrics?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Roger the zimmer
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 10:23 AM

...no, but I bet the guys down at the Mudcat Tavern know some indecent ones


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 10:30 AM

I love bluegrass music with a passion and "Fox on the Run" sure ain't my idea of "the standard". How 'bout "When the Fields Have Turned Brown"?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Mudjack
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 10:58 AM

It's Bluegrass, what do you want? There's great songs there and if treated right most of them can be really good songs. I think what happens at a bluegrass jam is the fast draw artist and gunslingers show up to show off their speed and hot licks only to kill the spirit of the song. Hot, Fast and Flashy. The music can be done slower and emphasis on harmonies and BINGO, all of a sudden the song(s) have meaning and beauty. Years ago Mac Wiseman put out an album of Gordon Lightfoot songs put to a bluegrass flavor.Astonishing peice of work.(my opinion) Mudjack


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Steve Parkes
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 11:00 AM

Bluegrass jams; are they like traffic jams, only with banjoes? Omigod, what about banjo rage?!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Roger the zimmer
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 11:15 AM

stop me if I've raised this one before but I seem to remember a bluegrass (or pseudo BG) song, hammed up on record by perhaps Spike Jones, or one of his ilk about a shotgun wedding. Went something like:
They're burnin' down the house I was brung up in
They're yellin': "Come on out and meet yer bride"
They're burnin' down the house I was brung up in
But I would be a fool to go outside

There's her pappy by the gate with a loaded .38
And he's shoutin' "Come on out or else I'll shoot"
I don't know if he knows
I've got on his Sunday clothes
If he fires it'll be bye bye to pappy's suit

All I can remember of the rest is:
There's her brother by the door with a loaded .44

Better out than in as my old mother used to say, I'll tiptoe away now and leave this thread to the experts.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Peter T.
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 11:31 AM

Mudjack, Tony Rice did one of Gordon Lightfoot songs, also. That is a nice album. I am personally a fan of Alison Krauss -- her version of "I Will" on Tony Furtado's Within Reach album is special -- it also turns up on the recent collection of her songs.
If the flash stuff bothers you, why not try the earlier stuff -- for example, Bill and Charlie Monroe before WWII?
yours, Peter T.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Neil Lowe
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 11:40 AM

IMHO, some of the standards can't be beat. For emotional substance, how about "Long Black Veil?" Or "I Never Will Marry?" I still like "Tennessee Stud" for the story it tells...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Tony Burns
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 11:41 AM

I am always torn when it comes to bluegrass. For the most part I love the tunes but not the songs. As soon as I hear, what my ear interperts as, that nasal whiney singing I start looking for the off switch. I realize this is just a personal weakness but that's how my body reacts.

I can listen to the instrumentals for hours and every time the tempo gets turned up and the notes still ring true I am in awe.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 12:38 PM

well, since Bluegrassers will play ANYTHING bluegrass style, the field seems wide open....(just heard "Faded Coat of Blue" done bluegrassy yesterday..*sigh*)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Mudjack
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 12:46 PM

Right on Peter. I do still like Bluegrass and since the NGDB's Circle album, have indeed slowed my taste down. No more duelin' this and duelin' that. Eric Weisberg's "Duelin Banjos" album is a terrific album of just good old standards and well balanced for guitar and banjo.
I also like Allison Krause, Laurie Lewis. The Nashville Bluegrass Band, Peter Rowan for todays BG music. I meant to go to a BG JAM is like going to a shoot out. In varibly, someone will turn the jam into a fast draw competition. The BG we hear on CD is carefully rehearsed and structured to be real sensitive to the song and music. Jams on the other hand turn into a conglomeration of sounds that don't always mix and travel at various speeds including breaking the sound barrier. I have to go back to the thread about invitation only jams, maybe thats why there are jams for the elite(?). Since my playing has evolved into finger picking, I stay clear of BG jams as it really conflicts with the feel of BG. Thanks for the thought, I did'nt mean to insult or be so critcal of BG in general, I buzzed on for and about Bluegrass "jams".
Mudjack


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Lowcountry
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 03:16 PM

Okay, let me give you an example. I went out and bought Ricky Skaggs's "Bluegrass Rules" CD. Now, that album isn't any good, folks. If you say it is any good, you made my point. (for me, that is)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Ferrara
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 05:03 PM

Do you like gospel? There are literally dozens of great old-timey gospel songs that can be done in bluegrass style without hurtin' 'em too badly. Some examples:

The Hallelujah Side
Will the Circle be Unbroken
Who Will Sing for Me
Give Me the Roses While I Live
Will There Be Any Stars in My Crown
Are you Washed in the Blood of the Lamb

Then there's some country stuff that should adapt well to bluegrass, e.g. Crazy Arms. And I agree about Bill Monroe's songs. My favorite is "Bringing in the Georgia Mail."

You probably aren't going to get soft, sweet romantic sounds with bluegrass. You probably shouldn't even try. Wait. I just changed my mind. How about some of Jean Ritchie's songs, such as "Sweet Sorrow in the Wind", Black Waters, See that Rainbow Shine, and Now is the Cool of the Day? The first one is the only really sweet one but they'd all work. Also Silver Threads & Golden Needles, Gold Watch & Chain, almost any Carter Family song.

Charlie Waller was criticized for playing songs that "Weren't Really Bluegrass." He answered that there had only been three bluegrass songs ever written. I wish I could remember the three titles he named, something like, "I'm Forever Thinking of my Dear Old Mother," "There's a Hound Dog and a Woman Waiting at the End of the Trail," and "My little Old Log Cabin in the Sky." He said all the bluegrass songs ever recorded were permutations on those three, and once in a while a feller wanted something different; and if the Country Gentlemen didn't steal songs that weren't originally bluegrass, they'd pretty soon run out of things to play.

So anything that can be played with a strong rhythm is probably fair game, tho results are unpredictable.

Or, finally, how about starting your own at-home music evenings with some of the people you meet at the bluegrass jams? Make it clear you're offering a space for people to express themselves in other styles. You could do it as a jam, the way Annap does, or as a song/music circle.

Good luck with it all. - Rita F


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 05:34 PM

Things that I've heard on bluegrass records and at bluegrass jams include some great tunes with great words: "Aragon Mill," "I'm Going to the West," John Prine's "Paradise," "Hard Times Come Again No More." The jams also feature a lot of good instrumentals, primarily fiddle tunes: "Soldier's Joy," "Old Joe Clark" (Jimmy Driftwood performed (wrote?) interesting verses to this in which Joe Clark is a bullying scalawag sheriff), "Red Haired Boy," aka "The Little Beggar Boy," "Blackberry Blossom," "The Maiden's Prayer," "Moonlight on the Water," and so on.

I find a lot of Bluegrass standards interesting to sing and play--"Sittin' on Top of the World," "Make Me a Pallet on Your Floor," "Shady Grove," "Little Annie," etc., and spirituals such as "An Unclouded Day," "God's Railway to Heaven," "I'll Fly Away." One thing that does irritate me about many Bluegrass groups is their tendency to play everything as fast as they can, including songs with vocals, and most of the lead singers try to sound like Bill Monroe. Maybe it's this stylistic constipation that turns off a lot of traditional folk music fans.

Laurie Lewis and Tom Rozum are a great exception to this, and so are The Dry Branch Fire Squad.

--seed


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 05:43 PM

Lowcountry,

Sounds like you're jamming with the wrong people for your taste.

There are THOUSANDS of bluegrass songs, and many more that started in other genres that musicians have "put the grass to." And of course there are new ones being written every day. "Fox on the Run" is probably the last song I would personally do in a jam. Right after "Rocky Top."

There have been other threads with lists of bluegrass songs. Try a forum search with "bluegrass" in the subject.

If you don't like Skaggs' "Bluegrass Rules" you ought to listen to his recent one "Ancient Tones" which is truer to the genre. But Ricky definitely picks FAST and HARD, unlike many, many other bluegrass musicians. Try Ralph Stanley. Try IIIrd Time Out. Try Gillian Welch, the songwriter who has had many of her songs recorded by bluegrass groups such as Nashville Bluegrass Band.

Have you heard Salamander Crossing's "Crossing the Bar" which is Tennyson's poem put to music? We do it with bluegrass instrumentation. Not exactly lacking in substance or decent lyrics.

Keep looking and listening. The good ones are out there!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: catspaw49
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 05:53 PM

Well I just read Rita and Seed's posting and I'd like to add..........uh....well, nothing. And nice job there too Barb...

Spaw


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: cathy
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 06:17 PM

Three years ago I could only take so much bluegrass. It's an acquired taste. Now it is all I want to listen to. I've been to lots of jams, some claim to be luegrass but every one does old country. the jam I go to now is all bluegrass and very congenial. What I think bg jammers like is the familiarity of the songs. If you want people to hate you, go to a jam and offer to sing "something I wrote". The lyrics are not the important part - its the instrumental breaks that are important. Not many take seriously the "marry me or I'll kill you" lyrics. Bluegrass is a culture to be learned. Keep an open mind. Stop whining. You'll get no sympathy.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Banjer
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 06:34 PM

OK, I've behaved myself long enough......In my humble opinion (IMHO) I think that some of our best music is in the High Lonesome sound of Bluegrass music. I personally would rather listen to it than anything else, save maybe some good old timey stuff like the Carter family. Ralph and Carter Stanley did a lot to bring their Clinch Mountain heritage to the forefront and I for one am glad they did. While I don't care for some other types of music, ie: rap, heavy metal, etc. I do feel that it is up to the individual's taste and you WON'T see ME going around telling as many folks as will listen that it "sucks". I respect your opinion and ask only the same in return.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Lowcountry
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 07:02 PM

Yeah, you're right, Banj; guess I was trying to be a little bit aggravating to trigger some response--and hey, it worked. (In my culture, sucks has gotten to not really be a bad word, but you have to say it sort of out the side of your mouth.)It was meant to be a serious question and I'm glad I asked it: some of the responses are as educational as anything I've ever gotten off the Cat. Thanks everybody.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: DougR
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 07:11 PM

Tony Burns,

Sorry I screwed up in the chat room. I have to get used to entering information with the enter key on the keyboard rather than using the mouse to click on "Enter" at the bottom of the page. Tried to look you up on the email list to apologize, but you are not listed. I assumed, because of the instruments you play, that I might find you in this thread.

Do you know Bill Craig? He plays gigs at Irish pubs here in the Phoenix area several weeks in the winter. I think he likes to escape the cold Toronto winter weather. He is a fine folksinger.

DougR


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 07:36 PM

Lowcountry,

There are a great many GREAT bluegrass songs. "Fox On The Run" happens to be a rock-n-roll song written and performed by Manfred Mann, a British R&R band from the '60s.

For a northern, urbane listener unaccustomed to bluegrass music, the challange is to let go of preconceived notions about what music must be. We have the same problem listening to any music from a different culture.

Bluegrass musicians listen to all other forms of music and often adapt some of that material to their own chosen genre. Results of this experimentation can be varried but that is how the music grows and evolves. On the other hand, I've often been saddened to hear folks put bluegrass music down because it doesn't sound like the music they are used to or isn't what their friends like.

For a really great set of bluegrass songs, pick up the recent "Ancient Songs" CD by Ricky Skaggs and Kentucky Thunder. The liner notes provide a wonderful background for the music and go a long way to explain why it sounds the way it does.

Songs like "The Walls Of Time," "Tall Pines" and hundreds of others present the best of what bluegrass music has to offer when expertly performed. If you listen to the best of the bluegrass fiddle players and then listen to vocal harmonies, you'll see that one immitates the other back and forth in a way that is truly exciting. You get aspects of blues, jazz, gospel and pop mixed together with folk and old-timey influences presented with musicianship and intensity of a very high order. It may be an acquired taste but I think you'll find it worth acquiring. At least I hope so.

Let me know what you find out.

- Mark


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 07:44 PM

There was a thread recently about elite sessions, and with that in mind I went to a BG festival here a couple of weeks ago, which was principally jamming, with a concert on Saturday night. There were so many individual sessions that I found it easy to find kindred spirits as BG is not my very favourite form of music. The quality of the vocals blew me away, often on songs that were not BG standards.

There was a lady there called Jane Saunders who has written and recorded in Nashville. I haven't heard her on CD but on the basis of a session and live performance I would recommend her for quality singing.

There is a great group from Perth (Australia) known as The Sensitive New Age Cow Persons who do BG versions of everything from ABBA to the National Anthem. Spike Jones - ish if you like

As other contributors have said, large sessions tend to be dominated initially by show-offs and/or resort to lowest common denominator pieces. As we all know the best sessions move beyond this to something more diverse. I like BG more than I used to, mainly because I respect the quality of many of the muso's, and their right to enjoy their own type of music.

Regards, John


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Bryant
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 08:28 PM

{Little caveat to start: I'm assuming Lowcountry's a guy -- it makes the pronouns easier to deal with.}

If I read Lowcountry's initial post correctly he certainly didn't say he thought bluegrass "sucks". He was saying that he finds the lyrics a bit shallow in general and was wondering if someone knew of bluegrass songs with a little more lyrical depth. I think that's a pretty valid point/question, actually. I've thought the same thing about a fair amount of bluegrass myself, but I like it anyway. As somebody said above, it seems that bluegrass is far more focused on instrumental interplay and vocal harmony than many other forms and the result is that lyrical content is kind of an afterthought. So be it. I dig the sound of bluegrass and if folks want to sing about gettin' a rabbit outta the briar that's fine by me. If I'm looking for something more sophisticated lyrically there's lots of Dylan to listen to. And I just can't see "It's All Right Ma" arranged for banjo, fiddle, guitar, and mandolin. :)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Barbara Shaw
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 08:56 PM

Actually, one of today's great bluegrass musicians, Tim O'Brien, put out a tribute album a couple of years ago to Bob Dylan entitled "Red on Blonde." Check it out and find the lyrics of Dylan with the musicianship of O'Brien.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Mark Clark
Date: 28 Jul 99 - 10:58 PM

Well yes, a lot of bluegrass bands have issued albums of pop material. I still have a copy of an album called "Beatle Country" by Joe Val and his band from the Boston area. Some of it isn't bad and some of is a little strange for someone expecting a Beatles style presentation. Mostly they had fun (and took liberties) with the material.

Some years back (36?) my younger brother was managing a coffee house in Des Moines. Peter, Paul and Mary were in town doing a concert and they dropped by the coffee house afterwords. They all sat around and traded tunes long into the night and my brother told me they kept wanting to sing bluegrass tunes. They were very fond of the music and didn't get a chance to perform it in public.

My brother does not prefer bluegrass.

- Mark


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: WyoWoman
Date: 29 Jul 99 - 12:29 AM

As I said on the other thread of this same subject (how'd that happen?), my guitarist friend does "Stairway to Heaven" as a bluegrass tune, and it usually brings down the house. I also heard "smoke on the water" in bluegrass at the Denver Bluegrass Festival this spring and it was a hoot.

ww


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: darkriver
Date: 29 Jul 99 - 01:16 AM

Say, what about the stuff on Doc Watson's albums? Wouldn't some of that count as bluegrass songs?
Or perhaps I'm puttin' my foot in it again....

doug


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Cathy
Date: 29 Jul 99 - 06:56 AM

Bluegrassers seem to like to claim Doc Watson as their own, though one part of bluegrass culture is to spend time and energy discussing what is and isn't bluegrass. (BLuegrass MUSIC culture, that is. I don't what they do in Kentucky for fun) The "whiney nasal" complaint about BG comes from people who haven't educated their ears. IMO, the reedy high lonesome sound, is best sung by Ralph Stanley and Vince Gill. And the high pure tones are best done by Doyle and Del. Doc has more of a "folky" voice (reminds me of Frank Warner). When "ordinary" voices like Marty Stuart do BG, something is missing. (Though I love ya Marty for tryin') I haven't begun to mention the ladies - the bell tones of Emmy Lou, or the low holler of Maybelle. And Laurie Lewis fits my "perfect" category.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Peter T.
Date: 29 Jul 99 - 09:32 AM

Adding irrelevantly (and irreverently) to my earlier post, I think that there are certainly riches in post-war Bill Monroe too! Maybe not in lyrics, but in ambience, harmony, etc. Well outside of bluegrass cliche history. I know it is a ridiculously banal thing to say, but he was an amazing figure (if a somewhat irascible human being). All those strange experiments he did (My Last Days on Earth, Scotland) and other things. Way out there. And from the person who was supposed to be a bearer of the trad flame.
yours, Peter T.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 29 Jul 99 - 11:32 AM

Good point Peter. Monroe had that "bearer of the flame" thing thrust on him, and for many years he was openly hostile to all who idolized him.(he thought they were trying to steal his songs, licks, and gigs) Even a casual look at his career will show that he respected "his" tradition. One in which he made the rules.
I've often seen folks surprised to find (after reading all the sucky prose about Monroe's "purity") that he used electric guitars, accordion, full country bands (with drums)and did covers of country #1 hits. My feeling was that he saw himself as a professional country musician who'd reached a measure of success by the late thirties and fought like hell to maintain it for many years. The benevolent (and even tolerant patriarchal) persona that emerged when Bill was in his sixties was never a comfortable fit for him.
He was an absolute giant.
Rick


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: CarlZen
Date: 30 Jul 99 - 12:12 AM

How about Peter Rowan? He sometimes goes to excesses, but his later work is exceptional. If you want to hear bluegrass songs with intelligent lyrics, yet with a handle on the traditions of bluegrass, atry his CD "Bluegrass Boy". It's hard to find a song to match "Let the Fields Go To Seed", his tribute to Monroe. Actually, there might be as good a song in "Walls of Time", one he co-wrote with Monroe. He tells of a night on the sie of the road when the bus had broken down and he and Monroe were walking and Bill gave his songwriting advice to Peter; "You hear that? You have to be able to hear that. Those are the 'ancient tones'."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: bseed(charleskratz)
Date: 30 Jul 99 - 02:28 AM

I wasn't dissing Bill Monroe above: I could listen to him all day (so long as I didn't have to think about the words). He was a great singer and a fantastic mandolin player--only David Grissman is close (I saw Ralph Stanley and the Clinch Mountain Boys in Berkeley a few years ago--Grissman was playing mandolin, and the highlight of the show was Grissman dueling fiddler Art Stamper on Kansas City Railroad Blues. I think that was the name of it). Monroe usually sang the verses of songs solo, and his voice was clearly the lead voice in the harmonized choruses, and the lyrics were always crisp and clear. A lot of imitators--so it seems to me--emphasize harmony to the point that it's often difficult to understand the lyrics or to even follow the melody.

And Doc Watson is primarily a solo artist--he was accompanied by his son and some of his other relatives on a lot of his recordings, and of course by lots of other musicians. But his playing, his voice, and his personality almost always dominate. He could certainly play bluegrass but people would be deeply disappointed if he did--they wouldn't get as much pure Doc (and in most bluegrass bands, the guitar is primarily a rhythm instrument: it's hard to play it loud enough to compete with mandolins, fiddles, and banjos...guitar breaks often seem like nothin's goin' on (I believe, heretic that I am, that a good guitar player ought to amplify his instrument when playing bluegrass breaks). Of course players like Doc and Tony Rice and Norman Blake (I almost typed Bates) keep their bands in control so their great guitar work can be appreciated.

--seed (imitating the world's greatest authority)(what was his name?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: cathy
Date: 30 Jul 99 - 06:43 AM

I wonder what instrument MR/ms Lowcountry plays.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 30 Jul 99 - 10:10 AM

Wow, I thought the song "Let the Fields go To Seed" was based on Mr. Kratz's father's will.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 30 Jul 99 - 05:33 PM

Wasn't Professor Irwin Corey the World's Greatest Authority?

On bluegrass, it is hard to beat Bill Monroe. He invented the style and kept experimenting with it and you can hear a continuity between the first Bill and Charlie duets in 1936 (?) on Bluebird, all the way on to his later recordings. And if he didn't like something, he didn't go that way again. (You didn't hear the accordion after about 1943)

I am also interested that many songs which I consider "old time" -- i.e., the whole Carter family recordings-- are considered by some posters to be Bluegrass. I would advise somebody looking for good bluegrass songs to consider the term an oxymoron, and find some of the Charlie Poole re-releases, kick back and enjoy. PETE


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 01:22 AM

So are there any words for MY LAST DAYS ON EARTH?

~S~


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: GUEST,anahootz
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 01:41 AM

No


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: BlueSage
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 03:26 AM

Take the original post and substitute almost any other genre of music for the term "bluegrass". Wouldn't this thread still make sense?

Great songs are hard to come by in any style of music. Rock, Jazz, Blues, and even Classical have more than their share of bad lyrics.

Folk music is not immune either. Has anyone noticed the amazing number of "singer-songwriters" out there writing mediocre to bad lyrics?

Mike


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Genie
Date: 07 Jun 02 - 04:02 AM

John in Brisbane, That's gotta be one of the all-time great band names: " The Sensitive New Age Cow Persons! " Do they have a website?

Genie


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 01:27 AM

http://www.cowpersons.com/


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Bert
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 01:51 AM

ALL of 'em!

I was looking for a square dance band in England back in the early Seventies. I found this group who had got hold of a couple of Carson Robison's square dance records and were having a dreadful time with them. I said "what do you guys usually play" and they struck up "Rabbit on a Log" and "Roll in my sweet Baby's arms"

We got on fine after that.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 01:54 AM

Are they any INdecent ones?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Bert
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:20 AM

Cuckoo's Nest maybe!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Teresa
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 02:25 AM

I started listening to Bluegrass when I was a teenager, heh, about twenty-five years ago. I realized that I was listening to radio programs in order to hear more old-timey stuff: Doc Watson, Jean ritchie, etc. I still listen to bluegrass, mostly live, but the cDs I buy are mostly Appalachian and Irish and UK. I love the old music.

Teresa


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: GUEST,stickaforkinmeandturnemoveri'mdone
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 03:56 PM

and that great bluegrass rendition of Jerry Lee Lewis'

GREAT BALLS OF FIRE...


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Cluin
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 07:53 PM

And Ray Stevens' bluegrass version of "Misty".


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: open mike
Date: 12 Feb 05 - 09:59 PM

today i heard "old and in the gray"
doing wild horses and honkeytonk women
(both rolling stone tunes i think?)
in a fast bluegrass style.
and i also have heard stairway to heaven
treated that way...and some beatles songs.

Sometimes it is hard to draw the line between
bluegrass and old timey songs..i like both!!
(like i often say : "i like both kinds of music:
country AND western")


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Kaleea
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:46 AM

What's the difference between Opera & Bluegrass?

In Bulegrass & Opera, boy meets girl & they fall in love.
In Bluegrass & Opera, somebody usually dies, normally the heroine.
   In Bluegrass & Opera, the hero/murderer often gets his just reward.
    In Bluegrass & Opera, the story usually ends in tragedy.
       In Bluegrass & Opera, the hero or heroine often prays by singing: Opera-Ave Maria; Bluegrass-old Gospel song.      
         But in Bluegrass, The banjo keeps on plunkitty-plunkin,' & sounding sorta happy no matter who dies & how bad things get.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:48 AM

Old & In the Way also covered "The Great Pretender" way back when.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Know Any Decent Bluegrass Songs?
From: Teresa
Date: 13 Feb 05 - 12:54 AM

Old and in the Way ... 'way back when? Oh man, it's just starting; that makes me feel old and in the way! :)

Teresa


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
Next Page

  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 4 May 12:49 PM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 2022 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.