Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks

Subject: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:00 AM

This morning I turned the TV on to find a programme called 'The Big Question' was on, on BBC 1. The question was 'Is Immigration Destroying British Values?'

It was a very interesting programme, brought about by Lord Carey, the former Archbishop of Canterbury, daring to write a letter stating his concerns that 70 million people, as has been forecast by 2029, is way too many for this small island...

Many agreed with him..even Peter Tatchell, who said that many people coming to these shores didn't have any interest in our values of toleration and understanding...although he also stated that many people who live here also suffer from that as well....But it was good to here Peter Tatchell having mellowed somewhat in later life. I've not always agreed with him, but in this, I do...

Lord Carey - His article on immigration - The Time Online

From The Times January 7, 2010

>>>>>Lord Carey calls for 'reasonable limit' on migrationRuth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent


"The former Archbishop of Canterbury said he was not calling for a ban on non-Christian immigrants settling in Britain, but he warned that if concerns about immigration were not addressed it could play into the hands of the British National Party.

"What I think we must call for is an understanding on the part of those who come into our country that they are coming into one which values parliamentary democracy, which is built upon our Christian heritage. They have got to understand our commitment to the English language and espouse it, and they must understand our history," he said in an interview with the Today programme on BBC Radio 4.

Lord Carey said he was not arguing for an outright ban on new immigration but believed that there needed to be a "reasonable limit" on the numbers coming into the country..........."<<<<

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:00 AM

Apologies, could this be put in BS, please. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:10 AM

Worth a separate thread, of course, but there's been a bit of discussion on this already, below the line, on the "WalkaboutsVerse" Anew thread.

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:12 AM

There has? Oh...didn't realise. Didn't even know about Lord Carey's letter until this morning...

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:16 AM

I watched the same programme and gave mention of it.

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:18 AM

I found this post...a good one...on your thread...Hope SOP doesn't mind it being put in here too...


>>>>RE: BS: WalkaboutsVerse Anew
From: Suibhne O'Piobaireachd - PM
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 07:09 AM

Is immigration destroying British values?

No. Immigration is actually shaping British values, just as it has since after the last ice-age when people first immigrating here. Our Island Culture is, therefore, defined by Immigration and long may it remain so. The process is ongoing, evolving, and British Values evolving with it too. The only people who argue against this are WAV and the BNP, both of whom also believe there is such a thing as British / English Culture and both of whom thing it has something to do with the bourgeois re-inventions of the Folk / Folklore Revival of the past 100+ years. No surprise here, Volks!

We are all of us Individual Human Beings. British Culture is the consequence of what British Individual Human Beings do - whatever our point of personal, geographic or ethnic origin, which is, after all, completely irrelevant to both what we are and where we are. The fact that we're here is the only important one. WAV, on the other hand, argues for an integrated, Christian, assimilated, all-inclusive proscriptive Englishness that not only doesn't exist, but never has existed, simply because the Glad Laws of Human Reality state that it cannot exist - not without military force anyway. His notions of Corporate Cultural Improvement (no doubt to be administered intravenously by good people The Ministry of English Folk at the Cecil Sharp House) are yet more offensive to fundamental individual cultural freedoms than anything done in the name of the imperialism he claims to oppose.

Religion only exists to fuck up individual freedoms & repress instinctive reality' Like Folk, it is a hobby with no objective currency whatsoever; like Folk it is not Our Own Good Culture, but only an dwindling aspect of same for those with nostalgic inclinations. Like Folk, it is nice at Xmas, but come January it's back to reality, like the Go-Penguins we enjoyed on the streets of Liverpool yesterday. Real culture for all - just a shame it's finished with so soon really...

I just keep wondering when WAV will realise just how offensive his insane ideas & pronouncements are to the Glories of Human Reality & how potentially dangerous it is to continue to publish & promote his highly subjective racist & fascist polemic in the name of Truth? A self-serving idiotic truth maybe, but one can only humour such stupidity for so long. Give it up, WAV - come join us in the real world before it really is too late.<<<<<<

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 10:24 AM

Definitely Lizzie... I came to the UK to corrupt all good English men and women.

Is it working yet?

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 11:21 AM

OOH! We need corrupting..just a little...

Well, our politicians don't...but...   ;0)

Subject: RE: Imigration in the UK - Lord Carey speaks
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 10 Jan 10 - 11:39 AM

You'll notice I left the Scots, Irish and Welsh out of the corruption plan... because I like them.

Don't want their respective culture and traditions to be destroyed by my bullying megalomaniacal American ways.

Yankee Tammy went to London, just to see the Cricket. Thought it was a crashing bore and stole away the wicket.