BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK

Subject: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:10 AM

So, they've finally woken up!

Hey, it's only cost the country BILLIONS in Police overtime, NHS overtime, Clean-up overtime....but yes, New Ostrich Labour have just realised that we have a BIG Alocohol Problem in this country!

Of course, it's NOTHING to do with their 24 hour Opening policy, oh no, no, no....

They've now said that their tightening up on pubs and clubs, saying that the 'all you can drink' promotions are to be banned, and checks made on all young people's age. Failure to check the age of their customers could result in 6 months in prison.

They've not done a thing about booze in supermarkets though, as they deem the supermarkets 'responsible'.

Of course, NO-ONE is asking WHY so many young people want to drink themselves senseless 24/7, because that would mean thinking on a social level, and heaven forbid we should start doing that.   

We have a whole generation, possibly more, who are now well on their way to becoming alcoholics, and no-one gives a shite.

Way too little, way too late....


Of course, if young people weren't put on the Conveyer Belt of Life from when they're babies, that might help.

If they weren't tested and examined from playgroup onwards, that might help.

If they were taught kindness and compassion, rather than scientific math, that might help.

If they went to schools where they were taught by people who actually **liked** them, *respected* them, and who did all in their power to make learning natural and relaxing, that might help.

If they didn't feel they HAD to go to University, that might help, because then so many wouldn't START their lives deep in debt, with a crap job that brings no help in sight of ever paying it off..

And...if they didn't feel that both partners have to work, forever, to support sky high houses prices, rent prices, fuel prices, etc....THAT might help too.

In short, if young people had the same opportunities, the same relaxed view of life that we all had when we were young, where most things were within the grasp of the 'ordinary' man, and a man could raise his family often just working himself...coming home to his wife/partner and children..THAT might help too....

Meanwhile....the 'Let's Party Party' have led so many young people down the wrong roads, whilst continuing to heap pressure upon them, seeing them as nothing more than Corporate Fodder.

They, and all other politicians who have the same view, should hang their heads in 'Fuck, we are actually RESPONSIBLE for all this shite!' Shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:25 AM

Oh no, not that weary old rant about the education system again, Lizzie. Give it a rest!

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:45 AM

The UK has had a drink problem as long as I can remember. Which is, well, as long as I have been drinking. Maybe it's me!

I agree that there is an issue, although when people say it is only the UK I would disagree - I lived in Belgium for a fair while and saw what the Germans and Dutch can be like. I am not sure what it is. It is certainly NOT entirely the fault of the education system although education on drinking may help.

Quite simply - If the education system itself was at fault I would expect everyone that went though it to have the same problems and that is just not the case. The number of problem drinkers are still in the minority.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:53 AM

Oh - and BTW - The only people any government measures will affect are responsible drinkers. Binge and problem drinkers will carry on as they are. The only ones that will be financialy hurt are the relatives of those with a problem.

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Smedley
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 03:55 AM

Others get financially hurt too - have you seen what the VAT (note for overseas readers: a purchase tax imposed on 'non-essential' items) increase has done to the price of a case of decent Burgundy ??

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:23 AM

Shut pubs at 11pm with half hour drinking up time from 10:30 as it used to be.

Plus all the other ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:30 AM

Nah - shutting pubs at 11 will only mean that the pissheads will be out and about earlier. I'd rather have them around at 3am when I am in bed:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:33 AM

Boot's on the other foot. Give schools (back) the powers to keep the little animals under control and to compel them to do the work their idle little arses don't want to do and then the things that are presently ineducable and unemployable might come out the other end able to do something with their lives other than wanting to be Jade Goody or Jordan or Callum Best.

The most accurate depiction of children allowed to do what comes naturally is Golding's "Lord of the Flies". Children are nasty until civilised by external forces. Look at what siblings do to each other.

If children are civilised and educated (which necessitates compulsion) then there will be fewer of the no-hope louts who rightly know in their hearts that they are scum and then there will be fewer who need to drown their resentment at the fact that decent people despise them.

If in doubt revisit history of the gin-house era: drunk for a penny, dead drunk for twopence.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:39 AM

Wrong, Dave. I'd rather be disturbed by them yawping and bawling about under my bedroom window at 11 pm, when I'm going to bed but still awake, than at 3 am, when I've been asleep three or four hours.   :-(

And the idea that the serial piss-heads wouldn't get so pissed if the pubs were open longer was, quite frankly, ridiculous and those of us with more than one working brain cell said so at the time. It was as plain as the nose on your face that those tossers would get just as pissed, or probably more so, and it just shows what kind of cloud-cuckoo-land our self-serving, expenses-cheating MPs live in.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:40 AM

Spot-on Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:41 AM

Nope, I'm sorry, but it's no good saying that 'it's always been this way' because it hasn't.

Once you could walk around any city centre and you'd only see the occasional drunk here and there. Now, you have places like Cardiff and Nottingham, and a whole lot of others too, where the streets are filled with police cars and ambulances in the early hours of the morning.

In Nottingham alone there are over 300 pubs and clubs within a square mile..and it was the Chief Constable of Nottingham who called for a stop to the craziness, trying his hardest to fight the Alcohol Industry as they bought up churches, cinemas, anywhere where they could sell, sell, sell...

The NHS has finally admitted that it is almost bankrupting them...Our A&E departments now have security guards to deal with drunken offences against staff....

It was NEVER this way...and grave danger lies in people who have their eyes wide shut all the time, belonging to Ostrich's R Us.

FINALLY this Government has HAD to admit that there is a massive problem...and it is a British one, because hell, we've exported it to other countries when the British go on their holidays.

Sorry, but if you start out as a stressed out child, then you will end up as a stressed out adult...and the Education System, whilst not wholly responsible, IS a big part of what is happening on our streets, along with the terrible dumbing down that's going on, because so many kids are turned OFF from learning by over-examining, over-stressy teachers...

It is also a huge Corporate Industry that for way too long has been sucking in our children....

And don't even get me started on Alcopops...which is the industry's way of making their product 'fun' and getting young kids hooked from a very early age, as stupid parents line up to buy the kids their 'kiddies alcohol' refusing to realise that they are getting them hooked from such an early age.

But hey, you guys carry on telling me it's always been this way..and I'll carry on telling you it hasn't.

There is ALWAYS a reason why people start drinking way in excess and continue doing so.....Always.

We have simply stopped asking, or caring...

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:44 AM

Ah well - there lies the difference, Backwoodsman. In the backwoods the slightest little thing disturbs your sleep. In the cities you could drop a bomb and no-one would notice. So, just becuase it is wrong for you does not mean it is wrong for everyone. And, I'm afraid, you country dwellers are in the minority:-)

Richard - I think I may print that off and frame it - Thank you.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:47 AM

No, Richard...children are not like that.   

SOME are, but they are mostly kids who are not loved.

If you want children to go back to how things were, then you have to give them what so many children had back then.

Mothers.

By removing Mothers from the equation, our children have lost out hugely and many of them don't know who the fuck they even are any longer.

Don't tell me that young people aren't stressed about exams, because I have friends with teenage children who are falling apart, as their children fall apart with exam stress. It is REAL, so get your head round it.

Children do NOT need to be raised with Army Discipline, Richard...they need to be raised with Love...and they need to be raised with peace, time and space...

And you just watch their souls grow, in all the right ways...

Yes, we need to bring back respect, especially self-respect, but that ain't gonna happen whilst the young generations see the older ones as people who constantly want to test and control them, in this ever-increasing controlled world.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:48 AM

Sorry Lizzie, but do uou live in Cardiff or Nottingham? I live in Manchester and always have. While I fully agree that there is a drink abuse issue I would disagree that it has got any worse. The only difference between whan I was twenty and now is 37 years! Alcohol abuse is just the latest scape goat. It was Moslems last week. It will probably be Bolivian unicyclists next...

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:51 AM

And I'm sorry, but if you lot, as fathers, think that raising kids with Victorian strictness is correct, then I tremble.

Why the fuck do you want to raise children with *fear*..You all sound like some religious crackpots who wanted to instill the Fear of the Lord into them all...

Instill Love, not Fear, and then you may be a long way down the road of changing our society for the better.

And before you all come screeching down on me, yes, Fathers matter as much as Mothers, but Mothers being removed from their children's lives, having no choice but to work, simply to keep a roof over their heads, has damaged our society beyond belief.

Trouble is, most people have been brow-beaten into never daring to state that fact, because the Womens Libbers will kick 'em out of town.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:56 AM

No Dave, I don't live in Nottingham, but I did watch the documentary on that city and it's alcohol problems. I watched the scenes of horror that happen every single weekend and so often weekdays too...I listened to the Chief Constable, saw the pubs and clubs.....

I have family in Cardiff, so I KNOW what happens there..and it's grim, just as it is in so many city centres.

Look it all up yourself, read the reports about the NHS finally admitting they can't cope. Watch the videos, they are all there on Youtube...

Come to Torquay....it's on our streets here too...and most decent people won't even think about going to town late these days...

Even in Sidmouth it was happening...

In Horrabridge I used to watch the kids swinging from the lamposts each night, drunk out of the skulls, as I lived opposite the park..and every morning I'd go out there and clean up the broken glass, the bottles...

So don't tell me that I don't have a clue.   

I do.

I also have friends and colleagues whose kids are out drinking and they don't know what the hell to do.

Get real.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Smedley
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 04:59 AM

Lizzie, a lot of middle-class hippie-influenced parents in the 60s & 70s went for the highly laudable raise-them-with-love approach. A lot of the kids they produced are angsty, neurotic, self-centred and arrogant.

I work at a university - I see these kids every day.

I don't advocate 'Victortian strictness' either - there is a big spectrum between those two extremes.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:00 AM

"In the backwoods the slightest little thing disturbs your sleep. In the cities you could drop a bomb and no-one would notice."

LOL Dave!
Well, I'm in a little town (pop. 16k-ish) with inner-city problems - booze, drugs, crime, high unemployment, infested with a high proportion Jade Goody/Jack Tweed wannabes/lookalikes and their darling little Chardonnay-Madonnas and Tyler-Morgans, you name it. It's comparatively quiet in my street, but Friday and Saturday nights can be a nightmare with these selfish animals screaming and shouting as they pass by on their way back to their lairs. Not to mention pissing on my front grass, puking on my drive, and throwing pizza boxes and burger containers on peoples front gardens.
I really don't believe that people actually need to be pissing it up till three in the morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:07 AM

Part of raising a child with love is about giving them boundaries, Smedley. And a huge part is about teaching them self-respect and respect for others, because if they know those two things, they ain't going to go too far wrong.

I am not into woolly thinking 'let it be' parents, they are almost as bad as people who beat their kids, because they raise children who have no guidelines and who often grow up as angry as the ones who were beaten.

Love is not about being ignored and left to get on with things. It's about learning what's right and what's wrong, and knowing that you have to make the right choices. It's about supporting and it's about being there...

It's also about being bloody tired out, because you have to put your children first, rather than yourself..and in the 60s and 70s the 'self' often overshadowed all else.

Raising a child is hard, it's time consuming, LIFE consuming, but it's also deeply rewarding.

The 'gang' has now replaced the family...and with that has come oh so many problems..

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:13 AM

I know what you mean, Backwoodsman and glad to see you realised my tongue was firmly in cheek:-) I am lucky I guess - High density population area, 4 miles from Manchester centre, loads of local pubs and quite as a churchyard almost every night:-) Do you know what the most popular name for little girls in Sainsbury's, Salford is? - Chardonnay yer likkle bleeder. :-D

Lizzie - something you may want to think about. From a BBC article back in 1998 -

Psychologist Dr Benjamin Spock, who died on 16 March 1998, lambasted notions of rigid childcare in the1960s with his books on raising children with a gentle touch.

Challenging standard works which told parents never to kiss or cuddle children, he advocated "the need for flexibility and the lack of necessity to worry constantly about spoiling".

Baby and Child Care has become the world's best-selling non-fiction publication after the Bible. But looking at adult/child relationships today, how right was Spock to promote the soft touch?

In a society confused about how properly to discipline children - if at all - teachers still argue for the right to smack unruly pupils.

Some parents, confused about where discipline ends and abuse begins, find their children running free rein over bedtime, food fads and temper tantrums.

And even experiencing children secondhand is confusing. How many of us could testify to an unruly offspring undermining the foundations of strong friendship ?

UK child psychiatrist, Professor John Pearce, is on record as thinking that childcare over the years has gone astray. "I would warn against free expression," he says. "Children need to develop self-control or they become overactive. It's sad when parents are too frightened to set boundaries."

So, from that we can determine -

1. In the 1960s childcare was much more rigid than it is now.
2. As we were brought up in the 50s and 60s our care was more rigid.
3. Childcare has been more lax since

Add to that your premise that

1. The problem was not as big in the past
2. There are now problems with unruly young adults.

What conclusion do we draw from this?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:16 AM

Common sense dictates that there's a centre point where Lizzie and Richard meet, a kind of 'Best Practice' - of course children need to be brought up with love, but also with discipline. They are complementary, and sometimes 'hard love' is the best kind of love (although probably the most difficult to administer).

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:18 AM

Please note - that was refering to parenting btw - Not schooling

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:21 AM

LOL again, Dave!
The most popular name for a lot of children of both sexes in our town appears to be 'Fuckinshutupyoulittletwat'. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:21 AM

'Fuck, we are actually RESPONSIBLE for all this shite!'

many of them don't know who the fuck they even are any longer.

Why the fuck do you want to raise children with *fear*..

Nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:22 AM

But we digress..............

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Smedley
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:22 AM

Thread-drift imminent - sorry!........

A friend works in a nursery in Liverpool. A new child joined last year, and the child's mother said she was keen to give her daughter a 'different' name, and she also thought French names sounded really classy.

She called out to her daughter - (best said in Scouse accent) - "Come here, our Cafetiere".

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:25 AM

Going back to the point though - These binge drinking reforms are not going to work. As I said earlier I don't think the education system is to blame either but I do think education is part of it. I was very pleased to see an advert on TV last night advising people to discuss the effects of alcohol with their children. Whether it will work or not is yet to be seen but I think it is a step in the right direction.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Smedley
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:27 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:38 AM

"In Nottingham alone there are over 300 pubs and clubs within a square mile.."

In the early 70s I used to go to Nottingham to drink and it was a pretty riotous place even then. My son went there on Saturday to celebrate his 19th birthday with some fellow students and thought it was quite civilised.

"Sorry, but if you start out as a stressed out child, then you will end up as a stressed out adult..."

Yes, and who stresses them out - not schools but the parents who are responsible for their cultivating children's behavious and attitudes for years before they go to school. If your children are stressed, maybe you should be blaming yourself, not the education system. (Oh, shock horror, that couldn't possibly be - I'm the perfect parent, it's everyone else's fault.)

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:41 AM

I called my kids after the day they were born on. George, Patrick, Pancake...

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:42 AM

We've raised a generation to be Ladettes, not Mothers...and now we're seeing the consequences.

We have taken the femininity out of women, making them feel awkward and embarrassed if they want to be feminine. There is now such pressure for them to be 'in-yer-face' drunken louts...

Women do not have the right to be 'everything'...no matter how much they may want to.

If you are a mother, or indeed a father, then you have a huge responsibility ahead and it is your duty (now there's a word we don't see much of anymore) to put your children way above your own needs and wants.

Dave, please read my post about what raising a child with 'love' actually means, to me.

As I said, look at some of the Youtube videos out there, they do not lie. They are shocking. It is shocking to think that young women now see nothing wrong in falling over drunk, to the point where they are so out of it they could be raped and wouldn't even remember.

That's not normal behaviour, and it did NOT happen, en masse, when we were young, hell, women didn't even go INTO pubs on their own back then, because they were thought of as pretty darn 'easy' if they did.

Society has taken away all the rules...and the Feminists have preached that it's a woman's *Right* to dress and behave however she wants. It's not, actually, for there is always a limit and a responsibility that goes along with that..

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:47 AM

LOL again, again Dave! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:49 AM

"Yes, and who stresses them out - not schools but the parents who are responsible for their cultivating children's behavious and attitudes for years before they go to school."

Yup, and so many parents now don't know HOW to be parents. They've absolutely no idea, because they are still 'children' themselves, inside...Stunted Adults who have never crossed the Grown Up barrier, only ever wanting to indulge and be indulged...


"If your children are stressed, maybe you should be blaming yourself, not the education system. (Oh, shock horror, that couldn't possibly be - I'm the perfect parent, it's everyone else's fault.) "

Mine aren't, actually. They know who they are..they've had time to be who they are, in a surrouding where they are not tested and stressed and told off day after day. They've both known both sides of the coin, levels, and they know which side they prefer.

The education system is shite, in many parts of this country now...and even The Educators themselves know it. Heck, did you know that in some circles, they are even connecting with Home Educators to ask their opinions on where it's all going so bloody wrong.

The trouble doesn't start in Primary Schools, although they're getting worse all the time...it starts in these vast factory farms of Secondary schools/colleges...

As the slogan I saw on a billboard in Torquay the other day states:

'Educashon Isn't Working'

....but it's sure playing into the hands of the Alcohol Industry, as are parents who see their children as nothing more than little shites constantly interfering in their lives.

Having a child is NOT compulosory, but Loving them, teaching them respect and right from wrong, **should** be.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:52 AM

"Having a child is NOT compulosory, but Loving them, teaching them respect and right from wrong, **should** be"

Teaching them how to spell 'compulsory' **should** be too, Liz, don'cha fink? :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:56 AM

And sorry Lizzie - I meant 'Lizzie' of course, not 'Liz'! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 05:59 AM

Jesuit motto - Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man

I think it is very true. The foundations are laid well before the child enters any formal education system.

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:03 AM

read my post about what raising a child with 'love' actually means, to me.

Is saying "fuck" every few minutes part of this? Don't you think you should tell us?

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:09 AM

"Teaching them how to spell 'compulsory' **should** be too, Liz, don'cha fink? :-) :-) "


Teaching them NOT to belittle is far more important.


"Jesuit motto - Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man

I think it is very true. The foundations are laid well before the child enters any formal education system."

Our children are now entering 'formal' education systems at birth, actually, in case you aren't aware of it, Dave. They also start 'proper' school at 4 these days...after having had many years in playgroups....sorry....'pre-school learning alliances' (what a fucking ridiculous name that is, apart from ensuring that children aren't allowed to play any longer, only learn)

So, do you not see that the Jesuit motto, which has always disturbed me, is now New Labour's too?   And do you not see their 'men' out there on our streets, drinking their very souls away?

No?

I thought not.


Dave, if you have anything useful to add to this thread, then please do so, but if all you are going to do if fucking well comment on my language then may I suggest you seek out that turnip, yet again...

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:15 AM

Our children are now entering 'formal' education systems at birth, actually, in case you aren't aware of it, Dave.

Compulsory (is that spilt rite?) education begins in the September before the child is 5. Has been so for many years and still is. If parent chose to enter their child into an educational establisment before that date how is that the fault of anyone but the parent? And why use the tag 'in case you were not aware of it, Dave' other than to belittle my earlier comment?

And we are still on a completely different topic to the one you started but seeing as it is your thread I guess you can do what you want with it. Up to and including requesting it be closed? :-)

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:21 AM

Oh - and sorry, in answer to your other question. Yes you are quite right. I do not see the Jesuit saying as being somehow taken over by 'New Labour'. I do not see the saying as sinister either. The underlying usage of it in the Jesuit order may have been disturbing but it is still a truism. Whoever has control of the childs early years controls their character as adults. Those on the streets 'drinking their very soul away' (whatever that may mean) are not there because New Labour made them so. Their parents must take some of the responsibility surely, don't you think?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 06:47 AM

Lighten up Lizzie, it was a leg-pull (two smiley faces).
Teaching them a sense of humour counts for a lot too. IMHO.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 07:27 AM

I've a rollicking sense of humour...I just ain't into belittling, that's all.

I was always taught, by a very loving father to laugh WITH people, and not AT them...but each to their own.

Yeah, you're right Dave, nowt to do with this Nanny State who have taken over the raising of our children. Nowt to do with the fact that most kids not enter school when they are 4, not 5, despite the laws...because of course, the parents want to get rid of Little Johnny as fast as possible...Oh...and yes, schools get paid for taking 4 year olds in...that's why many playgroups, and I refuse to call them anything else, are now inside the school's themselves...

Sleeping Beauty Syndrome is well and truly alive in here...

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 07:38 AM

OK, you've got a rollicking sense of humour, but it doesn't embrace the important and very useful ability to laugh at yourself. Your loss.

I used to wonder why The Usual Suspects had such a downer on one individual, and I felt great empathy with that individual. I'm beginning to understand what it is that motivates The Usual Suspects and, latterly, finding myself aligning my opinions with theirs rather more than somewhat.

I'm out. Argue amongst yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 07:44 AM

because of course, the parents want to get rid of Little Johnny as fast as possible

And this is the fault of the government and th eeducation system because?

BTW - We are now at change of topic number 1 and just one cry of victimisation. I predict at least two of the former, half a dozen of the latter and at least one threat to leave altogther before the thread reaches it's inevitable closure:-)

Any takers?

DeG

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 07:57 AM

Dave, if you have anything useful to add to this thread, then please do so, but if all you are going to do if fucking well comment on my language then may I suggest you seek out that turnip, yet again...


Lizzie adding something useful to threads to which you are contributing, used to be what I did.

I offered to help you start a radio programme so you could promote the artists you love so much. Likewise a folk festival which you said Torquay needed and could be organised.

For this I received abuse. When I have pointed out you are wrong - clearly and indisputedly wrong - not a matter of opinion but a matter of fact you scream "foul", complain about being followed by people and continue to spout garbage.

I only bother because those I believe this message board is a community of people whose opinions and knowledge can be useful.

You have threatened to leave this board time after time and then come back shortly afterwards.

People start off by treating you seriously and then find out what you are really like - I see you lost another fan on this thread.

I am just trying to save people time.

And people who care about education don't use obscene language!

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 07:59 AM

If little Johnny learned to do as he was told, maybe people would not want to get rid of him.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 08:04 AM

Precicely, Richard.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: theleveller
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 08:10 AM

"I'm out. Argue amongst yourself."

Me too - it's enough to drive you to drink. My round!

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 08:22 AM

Diet coke please, Leveller.

Subject: RE: BS: Binge Drinking reforms....UK
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Jan 10 - 08:24 AM

Also ban drinking in the street.