'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 02 May 21 - 07:12 AM

Haul for Glasson! Tune; Farewell to Tarwathie/Green Bushes/The Waggoner's Lad/Farewell Angelina

Home to dear England Our ship she is bound
And in heaving the lead We'll soon strike English ground
What pleasure we have With what joy cry the men
When we come into sight Of old England again

Chorus (Repeat second part of tune)
And we call, Haul for Glasson! Through sea-spray and foam
Yes, we all haul for Glasson As we come sailing home

We wait in Lune Deep Then sail up with the tide
John Lamb will be ready Dock gates open wide
By Cockersand light And then past Plover Scar
Every family awaits The return of their tar

Chorus

Now our ship she's inside Of John Lamb's parlour doors
Up to the Pier Hall We must go, to be sure
For there our dear girls Come from town in great style
To welcome us home With embraces and smiles

Chorus

Adapted and extended from the memories recalled by Ruth Zanoni Roskell in Glimpses of Glasson Dock, Landy Publishing 2005. Glasson Dock was built in 1787 at the mouth of the River Lune to serve Lancaster. Lancaster was the fourth most important port in the UK for the slave trade. It still has a regular service to the Isle of Man. John Lamb was the first dock gate man; the dock gates were called John Lamb's parlour doors. Cockersand and Plover Scar lighthouses were built in 1847. The Pier Hall, later The Caribou, was built in the 1780s and survives as private apartments. Henry Peacock

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Calico Jenny
Date: 03 May 21 - 12:47 PM

Thanks for adding Twiddles to your illustrious list, but gee . . . I sure hope that's not the song Janie Meneely is "remembered" for. There are so many others.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,Patrick
Date: 04 May 21 - 05:42 PM

Tin Bath Sailor by John Oke Bartlett. 16 Original self-penned new sea songs. Accompanied by Portsmouth Shantymen on most tracks.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 16 Sep 21 - 07:41 AM

Tiger Bay; set to the tune of The Lakes of Shilin/The Banks of the Bann/Shane (Lord of All Hopefulness)

Well, we sail through the day and we sail through the night
And we give a loud cheer when land comes into sight
If there’s peril at sea, then there’s pleasure ashore
Where the pretty girls beckon from every door

Now Jack sits in a tavern, happy as he can be
With a glass in his hand and a girl on his knee
Buy us one more, Jack, and sing us a song
Alas, cries poor Jack, All my money is gone

Then give me your jacket, I’ll pawn it for you
To buy you a drink, that’s the least I can do
Take off your waistcoat and hand it to me
To pay for a sailor who’s out on a spree

I shall have all your clothes when this evening is through
And if I could sell it, I’d take your skin too
With claws like a tigress, she strips poor Jack bare
And without a glance backward leaves Jack lying there

Now in the cold morning, Jack wakes in the street
No shirt on his back and no boots on his feet
And back to his ship he must make his sad way
For the sea is much safer than wild Tiger Bay

Henry Peacock

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 18 Sep 21 - 06:05 PM

Wild Tiger Bay above - amended final verses;

Now in the cold morning, Jack wakes in the street
No shirt on his back and no boots on his feet
He set out so grandly but now he must crawl
Back to his ship wearing nothing at all

Far out at sea he will face the great gales
Out on the yard-arm to take in the sails
The wind and the waves may well sweep him away
But he's still safer there than in wild Tiger Bay

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Daniel Kelly
Date: 18 Sep 21 - 10:35 PM

It being ‘talk like a pirate day’, I will add my own piece of nonsense here.

And also recommend several great nautical songs by John Warner:
- Batavia
- Pack of Pirates (kids)

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 29 Oct 21 - 06:10 PM

Within the sheets of three music books in the Museum of London’s library, previously owned by Lady Emma Hamilton, lay several unknown songs dedicated to her lover Lord Nelson’s naval victories. It’s among these that several scores — one sea shanty, another cantata and two hymns — dedicated to Lord Nelson’s naval victories lay hidden from public knowledge for over 200 years.

With grog and Nelson both together
We'll drink and conquer in all weather

11 December 2021 Join us at the Museum of London Docklands for a unique musical performance, in partnership with the Guildhall School of Music & Drama. For one night only, we will bring to life songs dedicated to Horatio Nelson’s naval victories, recently rediscovered in Emma Hamilton’s songbooks by museum Librarian Lluis Tembleque.

Lluis will kick off the evening with a presentation on his finds and their historical context, and Dr Christopher Suckling, Head of Historical Performance at the Guildhall School of Music & Drama, will give an insight onto the music world at the beginning of the 19th century.

After the talks, performers from the School will play the four rediscovered pieces, along with a number of other relevant scores, then Lluis will show items from our collections connected to Lady Hamilton and Lord Nelson - all in the immersive surroundings of the Museum of London Docklands.

Songs for Lord Nelson

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 30 Oct 21 - 04:53 AM

For new sea songs you would do well to check out John Oke Bartlett's Tin Bath Sailor c.d.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 30 Oct 21 - 04:10 PM

Henry
How can any of this art music have any vague resemblance to any chanty? The 2 genres could not be any more opposite in their form and style, apart from the time differences.

That crap rag The Times actually presented them as a collection of 'shanties'. Sheesh!!!!

I do hope Dr. Chris doesn't use the word 'shanty'. He's going to look remarkably silly if he does.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 30 Oct 21 - 06:55 PM

Songs for Nelson; Thursday World at One

There's an interview with a little more description here, after 40 minutes. I think he describes it as a precursor to the shanty, with a suggestion of the rhythm that would come later.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 31 Oct 21 - 07:27 AM

And from The Guardian 28 October 2021 Nadia Khomami Arts and culture correspondent;

Alongside the piece by Kelly, which was performed at the Theatre Drury Lane at the time, there is also a completely unknown score written by William Douglas, 4th Duke of Queensberry, a landowner and society figure whose gambling overshadowed his musical skills, until now.

There is music for a sea shanty tribute to Nelson, whose lyrics have been known about since a letter from Nelson to William Douglas was sold at auction in 2013. It’s now clear the duke had added music and a chorus to words transcribed by Nelson after he heard his crew chant the song in the aftermath of victory at Cape St Vincent in 1797.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 31 Oct 21 - 03:33 PM

Hi Henry could you please post some of the lyrics to this supposed embryonic chanty? I'm sure I don't need to remind you that chanties evolved some time after 1830 from the practices of African Americans in the Gulf area and weren't in use aboard merchant ships until the 1840s when they were specifically work songs of the common seamen. They were never in use aboard RN vessels of the line.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 31 Oct 21 - 06:52 PM

Steve, the first I heard about this was the Christopher Suckling interview on World at One on Thursday. (Nelson's mother's maiden name was Suckling too.) He said that Nelson heard a chant by his crew after the victory in the Battle of Cape St Vincent on 16 January 1780, during the American War of Independence. It's not stated whether he heard it as a work chant or in another setting, a celebration perhaps. He wrote it out and sent it to William Douglas, 4th Duke of Queensbury, who "domesticated" it for Nelson's household, added a bass line and an instrumental introduction, and changed it to a "more refined" soprano melody.

With grog and Nelson both together
We'll drink and conquer in all weather

Christopher Suckling sang this chorus which, according to the Guardian report, Douglas added too. The photographs of the hand-written manuscript on the Museum of London site show the chorus and 2nd and 3rd verses, but not the first - and presumably original - verse. Suckling does say that, in the 18th century, there would not have been chanteys, but maritime work chants would have brought rhythm to repetitive work.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 11:30 AM

Thanks for that, Henry.

Suckling then had no knowledge of the navy. 'maritime work chants' of any description would not have been tolerated. They were certainly not needed with more than sufficient manpower to complete every task in silence, such was the order. The only accompaniment allowed was, where available, a musician to accompany the rhythm of the capstan work. even when chanties came in in the 1840s they were not allowed or needed on RN vessels.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 02:12 PM

Can I recommend a brand new CD called "Sense of the Place" which has 10 tracks, all to do with the sea in one way or another, and produced and commissioned for Stonehaven Folk Club as a lockdown project.
All brand new songs, and produced by Mike Vass. Track list and songwriters as follows:
1. Lady Finella   Iona Fyfe
2. Keeper of the Light   Claire Hastings
3. Catterline   Kris Drever
4. Boat Memories Mike Blackburn
5. Violet Rae   Jenny Sturgeon
6. The Snowdrop   Findlay Napier
7. Cutty Sark    Bob Knight
8. The Sands o' St Cyrus    Steve Byrne
9. Calloused Hands   Irene Watt
10. Far from Home Paul McKenna
Find out more here: Sense of the Place

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 05:48 PM

Lots of new sea songs, texts and backgrounds, and albums available at
sparehands.org
Lots of older songs as well. Mainly whaling and trawling.
A few chanties. Various videos on Youtube.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Nov 21 - 04:19 AM

Scols Bridle have written some new sea songs from the point of view of women

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 15 Nov 21 - 09:41 AM

Tuesday 30 Nov 2021 11:30 BBC RADIO 4 Shaking Up the Shanty

The musical duo The Rheingans Sisters compose a contemporary sea shanty for an unusual cargo boat that has ditched diesel in favour of sails.

De Gallant borrows technology from the past to sail toward a more sustainable future and so it seems fitting that the musical duo The Rheingans Sisters should write a song that borrows from traditional shanties to create a contemporary song that sings of the boat’s progressive journey.

They set off to understand the shanty genre by speaking to Gerry Smyth, a shanty expert based at Liverpool John Moores University, but then decide to break all the rules!

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 15 Nov 21 - 10:37 AM

There need only be one rule. If it's not a chanty don't call it a chanty. Sea song, or song about the sea works fine. If it's an imitation chanty then call it that.

Subject: RE: 'New' Sea Songs & Shanties & Nautical Songs
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 28 Dec 21 - 10:53 AM

Sunday 2 January 00:15 ie just after midnight on Saturday 1 January BBC RADIO 4 Shaking Up the Shanty repeat

The musical duo The Rheingans Sisters compose a contemporary sea shanty for an unusual cargo boat that has ditched diesel in favour of sails. De Gallant borrows technology from the past to sail toward a more sustainable future and so it seems fitting that the musical duo The Rheingans Sisters should write a song that borrows from traditional shanties to create a contemporary song that sings of the boat’s progressive journey. They set off to understand the shanty genre by speaking to Gerry Smyth, a shanty expert based at Liverpool John Moores University, but then decide to break all the rules!

In Sailor Song: The Shanties and Ballads of the High Seas acclaimed writer, playwright and musician Gerry Smyth presents the words and music of some 40 ‘heaving or hauling’ working shanties and 10 off-duty sea songs and ballads. The meanings and history of each song is revealed alongside thematic sections exploring celebrated shantymen, song types and traditions as well as the influence these songs have had on the folk music movement, rock music and the modern shanty revival. The volume is illustrated with specially commissioned artworks by popular folk artist Jonny Hannah alongside many previously unpublished artworks from the holdings of the British Library.