BS: At last a Pope talks some sense

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 02:50 PM

Well, Ed, there is one good thing that has come out of this sex scandal:
Catholics are now quicker to question authority. They've come to understand that bishops sometimes lie, and that priests sometimes commit horrible crimes. The illusion* of infallibility in the Catholic Church has died.
But Catholics have also come to realize that most of their very human bishops and priests, are pretty good people - but not perfect.
Those are good things.

Now, if only you could come to an understanding....

-Joe-


*the doctrine of infallibility is very limited, and applies only to very few matters

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 03:24 PM

And another word...
While I'm happy to see Catholics questioning authority, an interesting phenomenon has happened that distresses me: the cult of John Paul II.

Catholics may question the current Pope, who tends to talk in rational terms even when I don't agree with him. But John Paul II wasn't rational at all. He was very popular, so he relied on his popularity to carry him through things. And people still don't understand how inadequate he was, and how much damage he did during his long reign as Pope. They want him to be a saint, and they can't believe he could have done wrong.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 04:27 PM

Joe

Your last word noted
Now don't be like a RC "foghorn leghorn"....our discussion is closed.
Please pull the plug...

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 05:04 PM

Ed...You fail to note that most of these offenses were committed by men on pubescent boys.....The Catholic church did not encourage or instigate these crimes, each one was purely personal to the men who carried them out.

Where the Church failed was in being like any large organisation and practicing a form of damage limitation.

The Church can be criticised and censured for acting like a corporation and cowardice in the face of the evidence, but not for being the CAUSE of the crimes.

Any enquiry within the Church, should look very closely at the celibacy rule and rates of homosexuality in the priesthood.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 05:16 PM

akenaton
I do not dispute what you say.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 05:51 PM

It does seem that some here won't be happy until the Catholic Church is disbanded and its assets confiscated. This has happened in the past in England, France, and other places. Is this what's needed?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Feb 10 - 10:34 PM

Ed, it doesn't look like you've been *discussing* anything, only lecturing and brow-beating.

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