BS: At last a Pope talks some sense

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:19 AM

Katlaughing....new hiv infections among injecting drug users in the UK are falling quite substancially.

Homosexual men and Afrinan immigrants are the two groups with the highest rates of infection in percentage terms.

The figures are available on the Ugandan thread.

Mousethief..There is a natural distaste amongst most heteros to the idea of homosexual practice. In most cases this distaste does not apply to sex with a black woman, or a yellow woman or any other colour you like to come up with(no pun intended)

The natural order of attraction is to the opposite sex...fact
Anyone who denies this is either lying, or has sexuality issues.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:48 AM

I suspect what happens in the UK, may not be the case in the rest of the world.


"Although HIV is often perceived to be a 'gay' problem, infections acquired through heterosexual sex account for the largest number of HIV diagnoses in the UK. The majority of people who acquired HIV heterosexually were infected overseas but only became aware of their status after being tested in the UK. In terms of HIV infections actually occurring within the UK, gay men (and other men who have sex with men) accounted for two thirds of new cases."
Source

http://www.avert.org/aids-uk.htm

Since infection through oral sex is low, I suspect that is not a significant cause. Homosexual women may also be a low contribution to the stats. I suspect bisexual folks would be a factor.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Stu
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 11:10 AM

"Homosexual men and Afrinan immigrants are the two groups with the highest rates of infection in percentage terms."

So that means, according to God's Vicar the British Government should repeal legislation that makes equality for african immigrants law because they have HIV? I mean, according to your own words such laws would take into account the 'fact' that African's sexual "practice is a condition, a behavioural condition, and as such, criticism of it is not "bigotry" "

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 12:26 PM

Ake, if you believe that homosexuality is a choice, at what age did you choose to be "Normal"?

And, modern science has proved that the choice is made in the fallopian tube, not in the person. That's why the males of every mammalian species has nipples.We all start out as females and certain hormonal changes take place before birth to make us either male or female. When those changes get confused you end up with a woman trapped in a man's body, or a man trapped in a woman's body.

This is also the reason for Hermaphrodites. Or do you think they choose to have both sets of plumbing?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 12:26 PM

Funny: a post of mine that I actually saw appear here has now vanished. Must try to remember what it was.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 12:29 PM

Akenaton stated
"The natural order of attraction is to the opposite sex...fact
Anyone who denies this is either lying, or has sexuality issues."

Attraction is attraction. What seems normal to you is disgusting to some others. There is no "natural" order. if one person finds the suction end of a vacuum cleaner attractive, then it is natural, albeit for that person....

I would assume that Akenaton is the one with sexuality issues. There is nothing to deny and nobody is lying.

Whatever floats your boat is natural for you, and you are the only person is your universe, so don't have hang ups, enjoy whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt others.

And just remember that a Pope is the least qualified person to talk about different lifestyles, (unless he has a past in line with some of his so called priests....)

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 03:39 PM

I think anyone who is unreasonably sickened by the thought of gay sex should probably try to think about it less.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 03:45 PM

Why do any of you listen to the catholic church, or ANY church? They have supressed the free developmennt of mankind for centuries!! 'Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss'

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 03:51 PM

ps: I have just read 'smokeys' post. Sorry dude, there are still a few of us right thinking hetrerosxeuals out there who are physically revolted by the thought of homosexuality. Whatever you say, and however more pro GAY laws are inflicted upon me, I can't change my natural instincts.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 03:58 PM

Mankind 'invented' religion as a means of developing; we have no idea how we might have been now, had it not existed. It's impossible to speculate. I'd like to think we no longer need it, particularly the more archaic aspects. We do, however, owe a lot to it - education for example. Where would we be without good manners and correct spelling?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:04 PM

"I can't change my natural instincts."

Yep, thems pure boyo natyooral instinks! If it smells like you did it, you probably did do doo it!
Natyooral instinks roolz!!!

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:12 PM

"there are still a few of us right thinking hetrerosxeuals out there who are physically revolted by the thought of homosexuality."

Hey, I'm understanding here Paco! I went on a joy ride once, real big one, one of those up and dowm and round and round rides, cost a wad too! Threw up something awful after.

But some folks despite the shock and horror and sickness, just keep going back for more? Doh!

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Paco O'Barmy
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:15 PM

Errh... sorry old colonial sister... that passed by me...

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:16 PM

When the law makes it compulsory, I'll start worrying. Crikey, it'll be morris dancing next.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 04:58 PM

I'll say again, Paco: If you are so physically revolted by the thought of homosexuality, just don't think about it so much.

The spirit of Mary Whitehouse lives on..

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 05:01 PM

What a load of crap!
By fuck, you guys sure wriggle when you're on the hook.

This part of the discussion came around because a couple of posters whom I respect very much (Richard and Peter) referred to me as a "vile bigot" for holding the views I do on homosexuality and the dangers of homosexual practice,as we know it today.

Politically, my views are closer to theirs than most of the Mudcat members and I have no reason to believe that our views on religion or most other issues, would differ, yet they feel strongly enough to accuse me of bigotry for expressing my views....not abusing homosexuals, not making jokes at their expense, not wishing them harm, butsimply expressing my opinion that homosexual practice appears by the health figures to be very dangerous indeed....and to make what seems to me an obvious truth, that the vast majority of hetereosexual people find the idea of homosexual practice distasteful.
My post, which initiated this part of the discussion,
went as follows

"Do you think that I, as a heterosexual have a "choice" as to how I feel about homosexual practice?
Or does Mother Nature determine my responses.
Why do my natural responses make ME a "bigot"

Perhaps we could get back to discussing the true meaning of bigotry, and stop posting inane shite like the attempt to equate my views with racism, or Smokey's pearl of wisdom(supported by Crow Sister) that, "if you don't like something, just don't think about it".....try telling that to some of the "liberal" witch hunters who inhabit this place.....so many "liberal" causes not to think about!   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 05:12 PM

I think you missed the point a bit there, Ake, and for what it's worth, I don't think your having an opinion makes you a bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:30 PM

Sorry Smokey, our previous conversations had slipped my mind....I was wrong to single you out.

But I do get frustrated by the mindset of a lot of people here, what do they think I have to gain by my so called bigotry?
I'm far removed from the Conservative Christian right in my politics, yet most here seem to think that if you question "liberal" dogma, you must be a right wing bigot, homophobe, pervert......the list of insults is endless.....are they so doubtful of their philosophy, that they are unable to debate a single strand without calling in the thought police?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:36 PM

I think one problem with forums is that the written word can so easily be misinterpreted.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:46 PM

From UK Facts;
People in the United Kingdom eat more cans of baked beans than the rest of the world combined.....Could this be important to this thread? Just wondering:)

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 06:54 PM

It's all due to the Reformation, Ed. The Vatican has always frowned upon beans.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 07:06 PM

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 07:21 PM

You're probably not a bigot, Ake, but you do seem a little, um, obsessed with what other people get up to in bed...

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: kendall
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 07:27 PM

Ake, I have no desire to get close to a man. It's just not my thing. Neither is being a control freak. It seems to me that homophobes spend a lot of time concerning themselves with other peoples sex lives.

Sign me "Straight but not narrow"

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 08:40 PM

Eh....Excuse me Spleen, but dont you realise that this is only incidentally about homosexuality?

Or have I been wasting my time for the last year?

Homosexuals are a very small minority with several very large problems....   the largest of those being their adoption by the "liberal left", a death sentence just as vicious as the one being proposed by the Ugandan govt; but the real problem for society is how to retain a degree of freedom in our lives, when faced by a faction who's raison d'etre and only hope of any kind of control over the rest of society, is to formulate laws in their own image and force them on a dumbed down and apathetic population under the guise of "rights" legislation.

Take your pick! the shelves are full of them!

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:10 PM

"...faced by a faction who's raison d'etre and only hope of any kind of control over the rest of society, is to formulate laws in their own image and force them on a dumbed down and apathetic population under the guise of "rights" legislation." oh my aching back

Suppose that laws did get formulated "in their own image", in what way would that affect you?

Face it, buster. You just don't like the idea that some people like what you can't stomach, and if you have your way about it, they're going to stop.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:21 PM

Ake, please do not associate me with your views. I have seen you previously express vile bigotry about travellers, many of whom are as amiable as our own Romany Man. Here you express it about male homosexuals (AFIAK you are unworried by female homosexuals).

I repeat. If buggery sickens you, don't do it. If other people do it without involving you it is none of your business. Sex is a personal thing. You do not make the rules - and no-one purports to compel you to any specific bedroom antics.

Even if (this is not a concession) himosexual (sic) penetration is dangerous to health, it does not affect you unless you do it.

So what's your problem?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:41 PM

For argument's sake, let's accept that random and unprotected male homosexual activity can be dangerous, from a health perspective.

Does it present a danger to others in society?

The spread of HIV is mostly limited to sexual activity.

If you are not a male homosexual, then this presents little, if any, risk to you.

Bisexual activity can contribute to the spread of HIV to the herterosexual community. But, if you are in a committed relationship..practice safe sex, or are not promiscuous...it should not present a significant, if any, risk or concern to you.

(Should wealso be concerned that some French women may not shave their legs and armpits)?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Feb 10 - 09:57 PM

Time for all us hertero's to take a break from all this homo talk...a little music and video to the rescue:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tblb6-eJzKk

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,Kendall
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 09:24 AM

Ignorance breeds fear, fear breeds hate and intolerance.

"I don't care what they do as long as they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses." (Lady Campbell)

Jimmy Durante, "Leave everyone else alone."

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 10:05 AM

"The Vatican has always frowned upon beans."

Tsk, tsk! It's no laughing matter Smokey! Although I wasn't previously aware of the Vaticans official position on beans, it seems that according to some Christian thought, all forms of protien have a deliterious moral effect upon our spiritual resistance to primal impulses! In short beans - as a a protien source - make you lustful! So, just imagine the dangers of a secret Government experiment involving an all male prison fed a diet consisting exclusively of baked beans? Statistically, the combination of unrestrained buggery *and* noxious gasses would probably inevitably result in some kind of weird X Men style primal, evil gay humanoid species which would then almost definitely try to take over the world!

Just who would stop these evil bean-fueled unaturally lustful incessant buggerers, hey? I bet you won't be laughing then!
See, we really aught to take the queer concerns of some fellow posters here with the seriousness they rightly deserve. Shame on you!

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 10:29 AM

" the heterosexual mind and body naturally reject same gender sex"

"Most of us "truly male guys" would never participate in a homosexual activity,
even if we were the last two people alive, and there were no sheep"
Quote source unknown

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 10:34 AM

" the heterosexual mind and body naturally reject same gender sex"

Well, I love Stilton but my friend finds it vile. So? My vegan friends find me drinking milk disgusting, while I think tempeh is chewy and nasty. I guess all that we can surmise from that, is that different people like different things. No geat surprise there then.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 12:04 PM

There lived a woman who had a maddening passion for baked beans. Unfortunately, they made her pass so much gas each time.

Baked Beans So when she met the man she would marry, she made the supreme sacrifice and gave up beans.

Some months after her wedding, her car broke down on the way home from work. She called her husband and told him she would be late because she had to walk home.

On her way, she stopped at a diner, and before she knew it, she had consumed three large orders of baked beans. All the way home she farted, and upon arriving home she felt sure she could control it.

Her husband seemed excited to see her and said, "Darling, I have a surprise for dinner tonight." He then blindfolded her and led her to her chair at the table.

She seated herself and as he was about to remove the blindfold from his wife, the telephone rang.

He made her promise not to touch the blindfold until he returned, then went to answer the telephone.

While her husband was out of the room she seized the opportunity, shifting her weight to one leg and letting it rip. I was loud, and smelled like a fertilizer truck running over a skunk. She shifted to the other cheek and ripped three more, which reminded her of cooked cabbage. She went on like this for another 10 minutes!

When her husband's call ended, she fanned the air a few more times with her napkin. He removed the blindfold, and she saw 12 dinner guests seated around the table to wish her a "Happy Birthday!"

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: kendall
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 12:21 PM

The only thing a Pope ever said that I agree with was John the 23rd when he said, "When faith and science disagree, it is a matter of interpretation." Right on, there Johnnie.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 01:25 PM

The problem with repugnant homophobia is that religions peddle it, making many weird people feel justified with their abhorrent views.

Wow, those of you writing "right thinking" or "normal" meaning your warped view on how other lifestyles, being different to yours are wrong.... I bet you have removed all the mirrors in your house, or can you actually look yourself in the face without frowning???

Look.. A couple of things to try and bring this thread back on course;

1. A foreigner has (successfully up to yet) interfered with British Parliamentary process to inflict a view. A view, I may add that flies completely in the face of the Bill in question; an EQUALITY bill.

2. Christian leaders are allowed to influence british law, despite the fact that less 1% of British people attend a Christian church, and of them, a fair proportion don't really believe in an imaginary friend.

3. If the equality bill becomes law with religious organisations exempt from the law, we will have proved we truly are still a medieval state.

4. When faith and science disagree... Science has knocked another nail in the coffin of superstition....

(Sorry, couldn't resist the last one.)

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 04:22 PM

Ed T."For argument's sake, let's accept that random and unprotected male homosexual activity can be dangerous, from a health perspective.

Does it present a danger to others in society?"

Firstly, there is no fucking argument, just read the latest UNAIDS hiv update! Look at male homosexual life expectancy figures! check homosexual promicuity statistics!(from a reputable source like UNAIDS or CDC)

Secondly, homosexuality is being presented to the public by the legislators as a safe and healthy lifestyle, by changing the definition of marriage to accomodate homosexuals and by making homosexual fostering of young children legal

Other minority groups which indulge in dangerous sexual behaviour (like incest) would not receive these "rights"
and before you say "incest is illegal", homosexual practice would still be illegal if the current health figures were available at the time of de-criminalisation.
...

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 04:22 PM

We are all tattooed in our cradles with the beliefs of our tribe.
Oliver Wendell Holmes

I have, thanks to my travels, added to my stock all the superstitions of other countries. I know them all now, and in any critical moment of my life, they all rise up in armed legions for or against me.
Sarah Bernhardt

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 04:34 PM

Ed....Your talent is wasted here!

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 04:39 PM

Ake, incest and other sexual relations within the prohibited degrees of consanguinity are illegal because of (1) the probability of coercive behaviour (not so much that when the prohibitions were introduced) and (2) the genetic risk. That is to say the prohibitions were not to protect fully voluntary participants.

Once again you reveal your bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Gervase
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 05:00 PM

It is very queer the way this akenaton chap seems to latch onto any thread which mentions homosexuality and start frothing at the mouth. As I've said before, there must be a pretty massive subtext surging and throbbing underneath all that homophobia, fear and bigotry.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 05:33 PM

the heterosexual mind and body naturally reject same gender sex

Hardly true, especially given the heterosexual minds of both genders that derive so much pleasure from such websites as Abby Winters. So what gives there? And there's been a lot of approval for the same-sex canoodling on EastEnders of late.

Why do men have nipples? Is that an abomination against the natural order? And what of that tell-tale line along the scrotum indicative of a sacred wounding that never quite healed? And why did God / Mother Nature put the male G-spot up the asshole?

All this homophobic crap would seem to be protesting too much; if you ask me guys are so deep in the closet they're in Narnia.

I say again:

Procreation is, at best, a random by-product of heterosexual intercourse which in terms of incidence is overwhelmingly about pleasure. Do the math - how many kids do we have in a lifetime? How many times do we fuck? It's barely significant. Human beings find sex pleasurable. It's what sex is - the instinctive animal urge to PURE UNADULTERATED PLEASURE, be it heterosexual or homosexual - this is why we do it. It is always exciting & pleasurable. It is all about the life force and capacity to ORGASM which is, after all, PERFECTLY NATURAL REGARDLESS. If the extremely occasional incidence of sexual intercourse results in procreation, then the species is assured survival; otherwise Nature in the Raw does not discriminate.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 05:42 PM

"Just who would stop these evil bean-fueled unaturally lustful incessant buggerers, hey? I bet you won't be laughing then!"

I bet I will...

Actually, daft as it might seem, there was a lot of religious opposition to potatoes when they first appeared over here, and it wasn't just Catholic.

Ake, just as a matter of interest, would you prefer heterosexual buggery to be illegal too?

Male G spot?? I think you'll find that's your prostate.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Royston
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:35 PM

Oh, I didn't know one of Ake's faces was over here.

On the "Death penalty..." thread, the other face from which he speaks has proclaimed him a poster-boy for gay and sexual minority rights. Funny, innit?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Royston
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:39 PM

Forgive me if someone else pointed this out

"At a press conference in Rome, the Most Rev Peter Smith, Archbishop of Cardiff, said: "The Church of course upholds absolutely the equal dignity of every person, irrespective of their faith, age and ability.

But I think there is a misunderstanding, because sometimes in government legislation equality seems to be that we are all absolutely equal, which we are not."

That was from 'The Telegraph' last week.

Really, you can't make this shit up, can you?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:47 PM

And speaking of unnatural pleasures, I think quite highly of

Clothes
Beds
Houses
Cooked food
Motor transport
Distilled spirits
Central heating
Democracy (well, some of it anyway)

just for starters.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:53 PM

Anti-cheesist pervert.

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:54 PM

Smokey....I didn't say I wanted homosexuality or anal sex to be illegal, I said the if the health figures were available at the time it would still be illegal.

I'm more interested in the political side of this argument than in the physical, but nobody wants to talk about that.

Enjoyed your prostate joke though :0)

Royston is of course a complete wanker on all threads.
Has Keith taught you how to drive your abacus yet Royston?

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:56 PM

Sorry Ake, I thought that was your implication. My mistake,

Subject: RE: BS: At last a Pope talks some sense
From: Smokey.
Date: 07 Feb 10 - 06:58 PM

And if God put my prostate up my arse, I hope he washed his hands.