BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.

Subject: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 07:14 AM

I started a giggle thread about herding videos.

Then I started thinking about the word "herd" and it's myriad applications among different species. Collective nouns and all that. I mean when we see shoals of fish and flocks of birds swoop and dive as if they are one organism, what is that but herd instinct? What of cross species herds? A stampede of African savannah animals might loosely be called "a herd" because one thing is driving all in the same direction. Fear!

And I got to thinking about humans as a herd. How only a few lead and most follow on religion, politics, traditions, lifestyles, acquistiveness, etc.

Found myself googling the idea and discovered marketing consultancies discussing how to exploit it. That human race is like a single consumer orgnism and marketing is the mechanism by which a company can sell it's product/service disease. How to get it to spread throughout the organism.

Alarming as this sounds, we all know that as a whole we tend to be subject to the influences that plague our every waking moment. The terrifying thing is most people don't think about it. They are not cognizant of the fact that some one or group is pressuring them to buy this or believe that.

They just follow blithely along, believing that if everyone else thinks so, it must be good.

more in next post

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 07:16 AM

This mind control with televison advertisements aimed at young children. Who among has not heard the high pitched wail"I WANT THAT CEREAL or TOY or SWEET" when shopping?

While I support the ban on junk food advertising during children's television programming, I don't think it very affective, because there is huge group who watch TV outside the allotted times. Compound that with parents who are just as likely to be influenced by adverts as they are to be bullied by their own kids into buying decisions.

What is needed is an awareness campaign not attached to any political, religious or corporate group.

TV, Radio, newspapers adverts that appeal to a wide demographic group which highlights how easily humans are influenced by marketing. How to recognise the visual tricks and language that is employed to influence.

Would such a campaign if it proved successful, break down political and/or religious regimes?   Would it lead to the fall of capitalism, (financial collapse we have already had). Seems like right now... this very moment humanity is ripe for just such a campaign.

I now throw this thread open to your own speculation of human herds, and especially to your ideas about how to combat the problem and if indeed you think it is a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 07:21 AM

VTam, I completely agree about the herd instinct, and was aware of the marketing geniuses that exploit it. For me, I guess it's an advantage of dipping my toes in the autism spectrum that I mostly stand on the outside looking in, watching the mob and wondering what they're going on about. But just look at USA politics over the past few years and watch the herd swing one way, then the other way, then back and forth- it's kinda scary.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 07:57 AM

Durn... effective not affective in last post. I hate it when I do that.

Yes Animaterra. For a couple of decades I've deplored the politcal marketing machines in the US. Wondered if the politicians themselves realised what a bad light it could cast them in.

Back to the marketing for children, I despise it as exploitation of children. They have no defence against it, unless they happen to be fortunate enough to have parents who monitor and explain what is happening.

Wish all schools primary and secondary everywhere would incorporate in every year group (grade) regular lessons on recognising marketing and influencing technique and how it makes people behave.

As if any government would permit that to happen... I can dream can't I?

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 08:51 AM

Most of my life, while being gregarious in some situations, I have never been part of the herd. Never really wanted to be from a simple instinct of following. I ask too many questions and have too much curiosity to just swim along with tides or mill around like sheep. NOT that I am putting that down for the many who do it. That is their choice and I respect it. Even though I am involved with folk music and various venues I still retain individuality for the most part. Same with organised religion. It's not that I am unfriendly but I do have a distrust often which has come from being let down so many times by cohorts!

As such advertising has not really affectied me, I thought, as I have never really fallen for all the garb until I got to thinking and, yes... I have a flaw in my independence. I HAVE been influenced, often in a big way, by buying into the myth of beauty products and always trying to get the perfect make-up or age defying cream or lip plumping lippy. I have been got at! They got through my barriers and safeguards lol

I never tend to think as women as being herd animals, though I know they enjoy social grouping mostly, but when I came to think of it, while we may be more independant and free, liberated and open, many are still caught up in the fashion and beaty marketing aimed at us...

It's a massive industry so I guess something works...

mp

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:08 AM

I never tend to think as women as being herd animals...

I have been hearing for years about herd instinct in women. The old joke that when one goes to the ladies, they all go.

I don't get caught by the make up and fountain of youth stuff, because my skin can't take it. But I get roped by techno toys... want this thingamie music player/phone/camera and that digimacallit book reader/game box/drawing tablet.

Luckily I ain't got the money to buy em.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:12 AM

We go to the ladies together because we are being social not because we are herding! ;-)

We are women. We have double standards to live up to lol

mp

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:18 AM

"Alarming as this sounds, we all know that as a whole we tend to be subject to the influences that plague our every waking moment. The terrifying thing is most people don't think about it. They are not cognizant of the fact that some one or group is pressuring them to buy this or believe that.
They just follow blithely along, believing that if everyone else thinks so, it must be good."

Yeppers, I experienced a while back - my own instinctive impulse to conform to collective behaviour when I was shopping in a supermarket. There was a two minute silence announced over the tannoy for people who had died, but that none of us knew or had any personal connection too. Of course this happens EVERY DAY, and I felt "well, so why do these anonymous people's deaths require fake public grief, when the others don't". I felt like my emotions were being 'played' by the media and system. So I carried on shopping amidst the uncomfortable silent statues surrounding me. The effect was interesting, because I felt a genuine compulsion to comply, same as everybody else who were doing exactly as they were told.

My conclusion from this experience, was to reflect on how much more challenging it would be to swim against the tide, in the instance of a Nazi style regime.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:31 AM

The psychologists make a whole great big deal about conformity and non-conformity. On my psychology course I was called the only non-conformist there, as if to insult me to get me to collapse on a given premise, but I stuck by what I believed in. Don't get me wrong. I will admit when I am wrong and apologise but this particular scenario the whole group was willing to believe it simple because it came from someome who was more educated than they (supposedly). It was easy for me having never been a tide swimmer but...

I have wondered, if I had to not conform in a rehime wgere my ideas could cost me my life, would I feel so free to express them? I think I would be a coward and keep my mouth firmly sealed.

Living in a country with basic free speech gives one a release to speak one's mind. It's nice to be able to do so. It's not brave in such a country though we only got those rights through others being brave.

To do it in a country where you would be hated, villified and maybe put to death... is just outright brave and goes beyond anything I could do. The name Mandela comes to mind... and maybe not too long ago Martin Luther King.

I am only non-conformist because I live in a free society mostly. Your point is a good one Crow Sister

mp

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: TheSilentOne
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:50 AM

I agree mauvepink. Living in a free society places a duty on us to speak out against injustice at home and abroad. In a totalitarian regime maybe we (certainly I) wouldn't have the courage to speak, but we'd be far less blameworthy for not doing so.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:57 AM

I get to be grateful most days for my hard earned (by others) freedom.


mp

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Charmion
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:27 AM

Interesting point about the two minutes of mourning silence in the supermarket. As a convinced iconoclast, I understand Crow Sister's reaction, but I would have stood silently for two minutes like everyone else. Not because I fear being stared at, but because I really do believe that acknowledging loss is a healthy thing to do, and someone in that store that day may well have been a genuine mourner.

Two minutes out of my life is not much skin off my nose, and I can always use the time to pray for my own loved ones, here in this existence or moved on to another plane. And if I'm not in a mood to pray, I can at least take the time to calm myself, do the "ground and centre" thing.

The two minutes' silence thing can feel like an empty cliché, but it is one of very few public acts that costs nothing and encourages reflection. And, of course, it's always possible that someone nearby is personally affected by loss and will appreciate the investment of a pittance of your time in the thing that has turned his or her family upside-down.

I work in one of the Canadian Forces' operational headquarters. Whenever one of our people loses his or her life while deployed, a minute of silence is observed formally in all CF establishments. One day I happened to be in the cafeteria when the Tannoy announcement was made and everything stopped. As usual, I closed my eyes and said a few Hail Marys, both for my benefit and for whatever good it might do for the fallen. When the Tannoy crackle announced that 60 seconds had elapsed and I could get on with my life, the guy behind the steam table leaned across and said, "Thank you for your prayers. He was my cousin."

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:35 AM

"For me, I guess it's an advantage of dipping my toes in the autism spectrum that I mostly stand on the outside looking in,..."


    That's an interesting thought, Animaterra. A good many people on this site might identify with those feelings. I've often wondered to what extent personality traits trace their roots back to physiological causes.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:55 AM

"The two minutes' silence thing can feel like an empty cliché, but it is one of very few public acts that costs nothing and encourages reflection. And, of course, it's always possible that someone nearby is personally affected by loss and will appreciate the investment of a pittance of your time in the thing that has turned his or her family upside-down."

And, this kind of blanket moral imposition, is precisely the kind of thing I object to. Such thinking can become dangeroys even, when extended to it's full logical implications.

Even so, to be specific, when my Mother died on Valentine's day I didn't expect the pub full of lovers that we gathered at, to hold a silent couple of minutes (no skin off their nose?) for her. Big day for us lot, but not to them. My grief is my business, and not to be imposed on others 'living their lives' who didn't know her. I did have a quiet word with the landlord who granted me a sarni (even though it was Valentine's day, so there were no sarni's on), and his kind and QUIET aid at that time, was indeed appreciated by me. That's real and human.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:00 AM

The "herd instinct" also applies to the acceptance of political ideologies.

That's for all you guys who have proclaimed your nonconformism on this thread.
I don't see many nonconformists here.
Orthodox beliefs can very quickly become unorthodox, we should seek for truth, whether it is widely believed or not.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Amos
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:05 AM

One interesting aspect to this equation is the invisibility of risk or harm. Conformism seems safe, because it distributes responsibility for any given choice amongst all those others, leaving very little burden of responsibility on oneself. And it seems easy because you have delegated so much of the thinking to the "others". Striking out on one's own line of thought has obvious risks including making mistakes through lack of data available to "all the others", and ostracism.

But the risks of herd behavior are extraordinarily high even though they are less visible. They include corruption, loss of the power of self-determination, and agreeing with toxic assumptions, for example--=standards of beauty, importances, degrees of desirability of some things or conditions over others, and a lot of tacit biases which one would not want to take onboard if they were made explicit.

We're fortunate that the risks usually don't include physical harassment, imprisonment, or other concomitants of independent thought in totalitarian societies.

A

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:05 AM

Ake, you are one of the most rigid and formulaic thinkers on this forum, you spout doctrine and ideology like a religious mantra.

Otherwise you're correct when you say: "we should seek for truth, whether it is widely believed or not." I just think that you think that no-one is thinking unless they think exactly what you think.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:08 AM

I too observe the 2 minute silence, but not only for fallen soldiers but for my lost loved ones (one in particular) and out of respect for observers in my general vicinity. Costs me nothing. But I can see that the "enforced" 2 minute silence for the sake of some and not for others lost is a bit presumptious.

Another herd experience in which I could no longer comply once I realised what was happening to the crowd and me. I was in the audience at a hypnotist's show at the college where I worked. At first I was drawn in as the others in the audience to the antics of subjects on the stage. Suddenly it hit me, those subjects are unknowing victims and the audience was a mob being entertained by this victimisation. Then it hit me that not only the subjects on stage were victims but the audience too had been sucked in. We too were being exploited. It was then I got up from my seat and walked away from the show.

In later years, 2 of my children ended up being subjects in the same hypnotist's show at different schools. Both told me how awful they felt afterwards. How weird, disconnected and even agitated and angry. They both were warned pre show that they may feel this way after.

Does preparing subject in this way make it ok to exploit? What of the audience who were given no warning or chance to decline participation?

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:13 AM

We all believe we are correct.
But I can assure you,I am without doubt, one of the most unorthodox on this forum.
You know nothing about me, sometimes one is required to take a rigid or formulaic stance to oppose the herd.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 11:54 AM

I do not believe I am always correct. I hope to be correct but have made mistakes in the past which I have happily apologised for or reformed my views/ideas in light of new information or facts. The minute you always believe you are right is the moment your open mindedness starts closing and objectivity starts to decay.

But some things are right just by their being. The same way some things are just plain wrong. I would like to think I know most of them and, while maybe not agreeing with all of them, would support the right to opine them.

mp

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:04 PM

I am with MPink on that. I almost always feel wrong and second guess my ideas. I think I am a chronic disbeliever. It may be that I tend look at so much with multifaceted eyes, I can appreciate different perspectives, even if I don't agree with them.

When I was 10 years old, my one true aspiration was to live in a cave eat bark and berries like Euell Gibbons. And every time anyone did or said something destructive or negative, I would say so. "When I grow up I am gonna be a hermit." No wonder everyone thought I was weird.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:14 PM

"tannoy"? "sarni"?

"That's an interesting thought, Animaterra. A good many people on this site might identify with those feelings. I've often wondered to what extent personality traits trace their roots back to physiological causes." Rig

Ah. See, that's why I like you. :)

                            ******************
Herd behavior is a fairly benign form of mob think. There are few things that frighten me as much as a mob.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:15 PM

Mobbing behaviour

I snipped the description from this youtube video.

Are You the Crowd?

Powerful stuff

snip>

Cynthia Witthoft
Are You the Crowd?
Drunken Orgy In Hell - 2004

The term "mob" (from the Latin mobile vulgus, 'fickle crowd') carries a connotation of a crowd with an (often angry and sometimes riotous) agenda.
In human sociology, the term "mobbed" simply means "extremely crowded", as in a busy mall or shop. In animal behavior mobbing is a technique where many individuals of one species "gang up" on a larger individual of another species to drive them away. Mobbing behavior is often seen in birds
Social aspects are concerned with the formation, management and control of crowds, both from the point of view of individuals and groups seeking to persuade a crowd to their view (e.g., political rallies), and from the point of view of society which usually attempts to contain them in an acceptable manner, or discharge their energies whilst averting excesses or mob behaviour, ultimately a decision made politically and usually executed by law enforcement.
Psychological aspects are concerned with the psychology of the crowd as a group and the psychology of those who allow their will and emotions to be informed by the crowd (both discussed more comprehensively under crowd psychology), and other individual responses to crowds such as crowd-sickness, claustrophobia and agoraphobia.

< end snip

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:16 PM

sarnie = sandwich

tannoy = store PA system

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:21 PM

I don't understand that mindset.
I would never spend time arguing or defending a stance that I did not believe to be correct.
I have lived quite a long time, and in that I have been wrong occasionally, on each occasion I have had to ammend my opinion.

Most here attempt to excuse their opinions rather than ammend them.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:23 PM

I agree with Akenaton. He's not a herd animal. His views may be rigid and doctrinaire, but they are fairly unique when viewed as a whole.

It is my belief that attention deficit disorder is somewhere on the fringes of the autism spectrum, and has a similar tendency put one outside the herd (whether one wants to be on the outside or not). I have ADD, myself, and so does my son. One thing that I have observed about people following the herd is that it seems to provide a lot of comfort to those who are in it, and this is probably a big part of the reason it is so hard for people to break out of it.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 12:30 PM

Virginia Tam, These concepts regarding herd mentality are viewed as being a dangerous threat within the walls of Reiligious orders and mind controling goverment bureaus.

These ideas when pursued as a career in the public arena will end up getting you in more trouble than you can imagine.

IT is an ancient power struggle but a serious one. Pursue the good fight, but be forewarned.

I know all too well.

Educating the herd is a real threat to "cowboys". Manipulating the herd for slaughter and profit is what most scoudrels do.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 03:59 PM

there has been a cartoon of a herd of sheep heading for a cliff> one black sheep is pushing through in the "wrong" direction amongst quakers we refer to that as the "quaker" sheep> i suspect many mudcatters can relate to that sheep also many of us who find a toe or foot in the autistic spectrum>

re tv advertising my kids were told< and i stuck to it "do not ask for anything you see on tv> we will not buy it"

sorry< computer acting badly> i give up!

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 07:12 PM

Television should all be PBS, state funded, with no advertising.

Advertising should be rigidly controlled: it almost always fails to benefit anyone other than the funders of lies.

There should be rigid restrictions on cross-media ownership to promote a spectrum of information.

Funding of elections should also be rigidly controlled.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 07:47 PM

The whole point of the introduction of the public period of shared silence to respect those lost in the military, was to stop the previous culture of glorification of War (white feathers to those who refused the mob mentality that only cowards would not join up and die when ordered!, etc) - especially since War became an Industrialised Machine (machine guns, tanks, accurate artillery, etc) - if you refuse to participate, pardon me for mistaking your publicly expressed reasons.

Sadly, some now seem to think that that period of silence now glorifies War....

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:23 PM

Animaterra: "But just look at USA politics over the past few years and watch the herd swing one way, then the other way, then back and forth- it's kinda scary."

You ain't a kiddin'!>>>>>>>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Riginslinger
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 09:55 PM

An autistic person would be totally outside the concept of "mob think," I think--if I'm not thinking like a mob.

          An Asperger candidate might just be far enough outside to simply wonder what all the fuss is about.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: mousethief
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:23 PM

The idea that women are superior to men is one of the biggest group thinks in our society today.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Feb 10 - 10:43 PM

It has sometimes occurred to me, mousethief, that the male of the species may have to travel farther to be 'civilized' than the female. :)

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 12:18 AM

Ebbs: "It has sometimes occurred to me, mousethief, that the male of the species may have to travel farther to be 'civilized' than the female. :)"

Yes, All she has to do is smile, be nice...and the man will bring it to her!!

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 01:04 AM

One thing we can all do for children is teach them critical thinking. My kids were allowed to watch only with me or another adult. As we watched they would get a lesson in why some product was not going to produce the hyped up effect implied in the ads, etc.

I wrote an op/ed piece about it which was picked up by an educational publisher and included in one of their publications, Violence in the Media - Current Controversies, in 2001.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 04:37 AM

Yes, All she has to do is smile, be nice...and the man will bring it to her!!

Doesn't being "nice" mean she is already civilised? She needs no civilisation brought to her. If "some" men behaved so, then they wouldn't need to pursue it. Civilisation would already be theirs!!

I watched TV with and advised my children as well. The problem is that so many parents can't or don't. And too many adults are just as easily swayed by what they see and hear. This is what needs to be addressed.

I like Richard's idea of completely publicly funded commercial free media. However, I worry that whatever appointed group which makes the decisions will have too much power. And we know what power does. Also it is implausible in a capitalist and "free" society.

However a campaign to raise awareness in everyone might just provoke some thought in the masses who always go along with the flow.

Little steps can lead to big things.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 04:53 AM

Every single part of human nature has been taken apart, analysed in minute detail and put back together by the Corporate Bastards who know exactly how to sell anything for everything. It's destroyed society, family, life in general.

I had a discussion along these lines with a friend of mine, around 10 years back, he and his wife had come to stay and he was very depressed about his kids, how they wanted this and that, expected it, were almost afraid not to have it, because of the herd instinct at school.

Of course, school is a godsend for Corporate Bastards, because you have entire herds of children to work on, without their parents being around...and so Pester Power was born...

When we live in a world where children are shunned, or beaten up, for not having the right trainers, the right 'name'....then we have lost the plot, bigtime.

We have been living in that world for decades now.

Hopefully, this recession, more than anything, will start to bring back other values, as the Herd begins to realise how they've been manipulated for so very long.

"We got the Recession, they got the Bonuses" was a quote I heard this morning on BBC TV, which stuck in my mind, as an almost rallying call to The Herd to wake up!

And as for those people who...with an ENTIRE beach, or car park, to park either their cars or their bums, but choose to be *right* next door to you...????????? That drives me bats!   

I'm the Lone Wilderbeest who goes right away from the rest of the herd..

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:13 AM

his kids, how they wanted this and that, expected it, were almost afraid not to have it, because of the herd instinct at school.

I actually caught myself saying the following, during a conversation with my DH who had played fiddles with a mother and son (age 12) at a dance I didn't attend last night:

DH- He was a really nice kid, really friendly and polite
Me- Oh- he must be home-schooled!

Yikes. But frequently true!

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 05:54 PM

DH - Designated Hitter?

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:05 PM

Riginslinger, your speculation/guess that autistic people are outside the bounds of mind control and herd mentality is just plain polar opposite wrong. In fact functional autistics are so prone to cults of various kinds that they are targeted.



All the good people here who see the evils in "herding mentality" via media monopolization and corporate training are called a particular TERM by the group think [*Military Industrial Congressional Complex participants]-(this is the actual term used by Pres. Eisenhower)

that term is "Subversive"

Right , as if you are the ones trying to subvert America.




I challenge people to surf between the 3 broadcast network New programs at 6. You will notice that they not only cover the same "news" stories but they do it at the same time in the same order! The CIA group think control of network TV was virtually complete 50 years ago. Today we see the various permutations and perversions of that perverted group think propoganda that has been designed to subvert America to its own purposes. The backlash is so strong today that the powers that be are victims of their own totalitarian success.



PS
Comcast is a self proclaimed right wing corporation and describes the Simpsons show in their episode info menu as "A subversive animation of a dysfunctional American family and their antics."

Has anyone here been subverted by the Simpsons?

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 07:17 PM

Donuel, you may be mainly right about your observation about the order of stories on broadcast news but there are definite variations. In fact sometimes a particular story is covered only by one. And when the order is identical there are criteria used by the networks to assess the importance of each story; it is not surprising that professional news people rate each story in a similar fashion.

In other words, your statement is inaccurate.

Subject: RE: BS: When the herd instinct is dangerous.
From: Riginslinger
Date: 14 Feb 10 - 11:45 PM

Donuel- I guess Asperger's is the only autistic trait that I'm somewhat knowlegable about, but those folks are hard to herd, and Asperger's is now being grouped in with the rest of autism by the authorities, so I guess that's where you'll find it after 2013.

          As for the non-news that is reported on network televison, and the ongoing food fight that continues on cable, you have a point, they all assess the importance of each story, however the important stories are the ones that none of them talk about.