BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Mar 21 - 05:06 PM

It still feels out of whack, one week later.

Enjoy yourself,
It's later than you think . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: BobL
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 04:06 AM

One time zone? It doesn't have to stop there. Once you've disconnected local time from solar time, there's no reason for keeping to a 24-hour day. If you made the day a bit shorter, there'd be more working days per year in which to get things done. OTOH if you lengthened the day by about 21 minutes, you'd have a nice round 360 days per year, 12 months of 30 days each, no leap years to mess with. A 9-day week (add Uranus and Neptune to the list of Sun, Moon and 5 naked-eye planets) would tie dates to the same weekday each year.

The only drawback is that moveable feasts tied to a lunar calendar, such as Chinese New Year and Easter, would be even more moveable...

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 06:52 PM

One Time Zone for the World

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 04:50 PM

The cats don't seem to mind being fed earlier in the morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: JennieG
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 04:43 PM

JHW - yes indeed. Here's some Stuff about daylight saving in Oz.

Stuff about daylight saving

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 03:49 PM

in 2018, 62% of California voters voted to enact year-round Daylight Savings Time.

But that's the first of many hoops we have to get through.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: JHW
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 03:12 PM

Re JennieG post my calendar in this room is from Oz and indeed there's a list of half a doz states that END daylight saving on Easter Sunday 4th April. Some of my timers put themselves right when the clocks change. Else you use your saved hour fiddling with Ovens, Microwaves etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: JHW
Date: 15 Mar 21 - 04:25 PM

Spring Forward, Fall Back.
or maybe its
Fall forward, Spring back

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: JennieG
Date: 14 Mar 21 - 12:37 AM

Meanwhile in Oz, we - those states which actually have daylight saving, not all states do - change back to standard time at 3.00 a.m. on Sunday 4th April. I for one will not be up at that hour, we will change anything necessary before going to bed so we know what time it is when we wake.

We will, however, be going away earlier that week so if we forget to change clocks before leaving home we will be confoozalated when we return, a few weeks later.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: saulgoldie
Date: 13 Mar 21 - 05:14 PM

I sat the cats down for a man to chat chat. I told them that as of tomorrow, their feeding schedule would change by one hour. Predictably, they took it with typical feline disdain and disinterest, as if to say, "You think we givashit? We're CATS, for crissake!"

So tomorrow should be interesting.


Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Mar 21 - 09:25 PM

And here it comes, this weekend.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 02:51 AM

US v UK DST can cause problems. The date thereof differs.

I was working for a UK flight instrumentation company that was taken over by GE at the time. The e-mail system was then locked-in to a central app/server in Cincinnati A meeting was called by e-mail, word of mouth, phone and probably spirit guides, just between the DST changes. About an hour before (or at the appointed time in my case) it was called off, because some people had used the calendar in the e-mail system, some had just told contract workers like me.

And you can guess the result. No-one in the US was involved! Computers are clever, people - er - notso!

My Canadian cousin told of DST & Double DST for farmers and there were towns that didn't (in the 50's). He was a travelling salesman, so imagine the confusion there.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: BobL
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 02:39 AM

There's a reason for that, Steve. In October, the evenings are warm enough for us to be outside enjoying the last of the daylight. In March they aren't.

Incidentally my practise in March is to advance the central heating timer by a quarter of an hour each week, and to get up as soon as it's light. It makes the changeover relatively painless.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 05:10 PM

We put our clocks back about five weeks after the autumn equinox, but we don't put them forward again until about a week after the spring equinox. Had we stayed equidistant from the solstice and adopted the autumn date as is, we would have put our clocks forward in mid-February, but as it is we still have two and a half weeks to go. You couldn't make it up, but someone did.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 03:53 PM

If your child is in 2nd grade, and must wait for a school bus in the dark, you decide. All schools that I know of dismiss in afternoon daylight.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Jos
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 02:59 PM

Is the morning dark worse than the evening dark?

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 02:24 PM

Just to add something... there is a movement to make DST year around.
Bi-partisan in Senate

We'll see.. there are those who don't want kids standing at bus stops in the morning dark.... which is one reason DST was created.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 01:59 PM

I worked for a while at a commercial cave/hotel/campground operation in Kentucky that was just west of the line from Eastern to Central time.

On the glass door the hours were painted (8am - 6pm) and under it in very large bold font was
Central Time Zone

That still didn't keep irate visitors arriving early from the east from pounding on the doors wanting to be let in at 7am our time.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Jos
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 01:13 PM

I stayed in an airbnb where the digital clocks must have been set by the owner at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. I was very confused when I woke up and looked at the clock to see 16:22, thinking I must have slept right through and missed breakfast and lunch.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 12:07 PM

It seems there will never be agreement on liking it or hating it. As I said above, I like it. I also see vaguely why others might not... depending on how close to the time zone line they live.. and on which side.
What I will never understand is why some people say they "have trouble adjusting" to an hours change. I am retired now, and sleep when I choose, but even when I had to set the alarm to go to work, it was no real issue. The biggest problem is that most clocks on appliances are now digital, which takes..oh, maybe 5-6 minutes to change. Your computer and "smart phone" now do it automatically.
*shrug* Not living on a farm, I really don't know if it "confuses the chickens". *grin*

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Mar 21 - 04:45 PM

Another 2 weeks+ here in UK.
Clocks go forward (from GMT to BST) at 1 am on the last Sunday in March.
Clocks go back (from BST to GMT) at 2 am on the last Sunday in October.

No one gets (or 'saves') any extra light because of this. It's just distributed differently.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: saulgoldie
Date: 09 Mar 21 - 03:55 PM

Correction: it is daylight saving, singular, not savingS.

And in another thread, someone suggested that it was originally thought up by Ben Franklin as a spoof!

At any rate yes, here we go again. I seriously doubt if there is any legislative energy to entertain ending it. Maybe next year...


Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: mg
Date: 08 Mar 21 - 10:32 PM

i find it crazy. wish we would never have it.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Mar 21 - 10:20 PM

And it's that time of the year this year, 2021.
Why is it always so early ...

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Bettynh
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 03:53 PM

I had to get out a piece of paper to remember what we went through when we went to Chile to see a solar eclipse in 1994. The eclipse was in the first week of Nov., so we had just turned out clocks back to standard time. When we arrived in Chile, they had just turned their clocks forward for daylight savings. BUT despite being directly south of Boston, Chile shares a time zone one slot to the east (known as Atlantic Time Zone to me, but since it's on the Pacific Coast, I don't really know what they call it.) After the eclipse, we travelled to Peru, which is closer to the equator, doesn't do daylight savings, and is in the same time zone as the eastern US. Fortunately, we had an astronomer along to get us to the eclipse view on time. I see that Chile, which recently suffered a major blackout on top of the earthquake, has extended daylight savings till April.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: gnu
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 02:29 PM

It's great to have been able to go for a walk in the evening after supper last night. I love it.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 02:15 PM

I HATE DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME!

Just so you'll know.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Mr Happy
Date: 19 Mar 10 - 12:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jisqle37uWI

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: LadyJean
Date: 18 Mar 10 - 12:38 AM

Daylight savings time used to start in April. This year it started in March. Which is why instead of being 15 minutes early for church last Sunday I was 45 minutes late.

Some states in the U.S. ignore Daylight Savings Time, which makes things really confusing.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 03:21 PM

I think it is one of the stupedist ideas we have come up with..perhaps a justificaiton in wartime when there was not widespread electric lighting in some areas, but how in the world can we justify it now? mg

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 17 Mar 10 - 03:09 PM

And unfortunately we have to be at work?

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Joe_F
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 08:29 PM

Why don't we all just go to bed between 8 & 9 p.m., and get up between 3 & 4 a.m., standard time, according to our needs? Then we'd have the maximum use of daylight all year round, without having to fool ourselves in the summer.

Answer, IMO: Because staying up late proves we're grown up.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:34 PM

Time keeping in Alaska has an interesting history. Until recent years the powers that be tried to stay in tune with America's west coast.

But it made no sense. It would be light in Alaska when it was dead night in Oregon and California- and vice versa- and the clock insisted it was the same hour.

Nowadays, Alaska has four time zones of its own, called 'Alaska Time'. The farthest west zone is the same as the time in Hawaii.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 04:13 PM

I was about to make the same comment, Keith. Having it darker in the mornings when folk are freshly awake is far better than having it darker in the evening and the number of road accidents reduced when the double summertime was used NOT increased. I would support moving to an hour forward all year as in France. Currently its dark going and coming home from work in the Winter so why not give us an extra hour of daylight each evening and make it safer for the kids!

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:56 AM

conversely, the lack of sunlight in the evenings contributing to more accidents.

Therefore, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (Rospa) has been calling for 'single-double summer time', which would add two hours instead of one and result in darker mornings and lighter evenings. The proposals would equalise GMT with Central European Time.

This method was piloted between 1968 and 1971, and some findings estimated 2,500 deaths and serious injuries occurred each year as a result. However, Government research revealed public support for the measure to be adopted. Rospa claims that recent research reveals the adoption of single-double summer time would result in 450 less road deaths and serious injuries.

However, the proposals were heavily defeated by MPs, with particular lobbying from agricultural groups and Scottish farmers,
http://www.politics.co.uk/briefings-guides/issue-briefs/british-summer-time-bst--$366653.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:50 AM

If we kept "summertime" in winter, there would be fewer road deaths, especially children.
This was proved when we actually tried it.
Unfortunately the Scots don't like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: JennieG
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 05:22 AM

Here in New South Wales we finish daylight saving in the wee small hours of 28th March. We now have six months on, six months off. When it started here within recent memory (early 70s I think) we had four months on, eight off. Have to admit......I'll be glad to go back to 'normal' time.

You notice I said 'here in New South Wales' as not all Oz states go by the same time.

And since we retired we go by our own household time!

Cheers
JennieG

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 04:10 AM

Actually it was before, but as I was phoning to check that it wasn't her who'd died in a sky-diving accident, she forgave me.

My sister-in-law used to phone from Oz, and her first words were always "What time is it?"

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Gurney
Date: 16 Mar 10 - 12:09 AM

Nice one, Dave. But did you set that up after phoning her at some ridiculous hour?

Very occasionally, we get a wrong # from someone in a different time zone (apart from Oz, all English-speaking timezones are very different to NZ.) Regardless of the time, I always obligingly look up the correct # for them, without telling them our time.
Why should I be the only one wakened up?

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 07:17 PM

Actually I've still got one showing the time in Sydney from at least seven years ago when my daughter was working in Oz.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 07:13 PM

Nowadays, the clocks in this house that can change themselves do. The rest show whatever time they feel like showing until I can be bothered correcting them, except for the one in the car which always overshoots so is pretty much random.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 06:37 PM

Our clocks don't go forward till March 28th incidentally, two weeks after the Nirth Americans. You'd think they'd coordinate that kind of thing in these days of Skype and suchlike.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 06:32 PM

It's a stupid idea switching the clocks twice a year. Especially now when it's not just the clock in the hall, but the TV and the central heating and the watches and the mobile phones and the clock in the car...

Far better if we could all leave them be, and just adjust how we live according to what seems sensible - getting up an hour earlier when the day gets longer or going to bed sooner when it gets dark earlier. Or not, if we choose not to.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 06:23 PM

Isn't GMT officially UST (Universal Standard Time) in Europe? I used to keep my watch on it all year when I was using a tachograph, as goods vehicles, like animals, ignore daylight shaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 05:44 PM

Well, as it happens I've spent all day trying to get some software for time zones working. It's hellishly complicated, you know, and not helped by the way there are acronyms for some bits (GMT, UTC, etc) but not for others (there's no agreed acronym for 'UK Time' for example, which is GMT part of the year and BST for others; the same lack of a name seems to apply to most, but not all, 'variable' zones); nor is it helpful when two completely separate parts of the world both want to refer to EST (US and Australia.) Just to add to the amusement, Microsoft's TimeZoneInfo facilities do something completely bizarre when the time is ambiguous (i.e. the ambiguity is resolved differently for "what's the time?" and "Is there daylight saving?"

Then there's a whole political layer when the same timezone (in terms of UTC offset) needs to have different names in different places to avoid upsetting people ...

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 10:44 AM

>>Maybe they called that system "Jupiter's time<<

Or Flexi Time

I'll stamp me card

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 10:25 AM

I had an uncle—a farmer, by the way—who also referred to Standard Time as "God's time."

That only reflected his ignorance of history. Standard Time was invented by the railroads, and was adopted in England in 1847 and in the US in 1883. Before that, there were no time zones; every town had its own time, which might be a few minutes earlier or later than the next town to the east or west. And of course when Standard Time was first adopted, some people resisted it and called the local time "God's time."

I believe the Romans had a system where the day, from sunrise to sunset, was divided into 12 equal hours, and the night also into 12 equal hours, so the length of an hour varied according to the season. It makes sense if you tell time mainly with a sundial. Maybe they called that system "Jupiter's time."

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 01:49 AM

"the tyranny of the milk collection tanker"

Once again, human stupidity - of the company collecting the milk - and possibly the unions that want 'overtime' if the collection is changed by an hour to the rational obvious one....

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 01:40 AM

"I know that livestock, domestic pets, and wildlife all get confused until they overcome the virtual jet lag caused by the change"

I just HAVE to destroy this utter BS...

The animals only 'get confused' because the humans looking after them are too stupid to realise that animals don't understand the concept of 'clock time', only sunrise and sunset. So the humans must change the 'clock time' at which they tend the animals, if they truly believe that their animals will 'be upset'. If you milk the cows at '5 am' then you still do that, it's just that the physical clock now reads a different time for a few months...

sigh...

Of course if you INSIST that you must now work by the time that the clock shows, trust me, it is not the animals that are confused.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Daylight Savings? Uh, right...
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Mar 10 - 01:16 AM

I do not like it. My dad hated it and called Standard Time "god's time" and thought we should stay on it, as do I. (And, he was not a religious person..just thought that expressed his feelings about it well.)

I wish they would stop it altogether. LH, very good points, thanks!