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Subject: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: ichMael Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:36 PM No thread about eugenics on this forum? In case you don't know what eugenics is, my computer dictionary defines it as, "The study of methods of improving genetic qualities by selective breeding (especially as applied to human mating)." That's what slaveowners did, wasn't it? Good thing the practice died out. But wait. What did Hitler say in Mein Kampf? "There is today one state, Hitler wrote, in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception [of immigration] are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States. I have studied with great interest the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock." Good thing eugenics died out with the Nazis, huh? But wait. What did Bill Gates say a while back? "First we got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent." http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article17644.html Bill and Melinda Gates. What nice people. What charitable people, doing all that vaccine work in Africa. They're going to neuter and kill the people of Africa with vaccines for their own good. How thoughtful. Hitler borrowed his ideas for the Holocaust from Britain and America. The ideas live on. This Gates story is just a drop in the bucket on this subject. What's sad is that liberals have been conditioned to think a planet-wide kill off would be a GOOD thing, while they say they want a better life for little Juan and Maria. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:41 PM Yes, I can see how you're the living proof that Chongo Chimp buttfucked a buffalo............ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Sorcha Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:43 PM Spaw, I think you mistoook him for Buck Fuffalo! It's a common error. Don't feel badly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:46 PM Thanks Sorch for setting me right. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 30 Apr 10 - 11:50 PM spaw and sorcha .... good one guys !!! I needed a good laugh. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Joe Offer Date: 01 May 10 - 12:07 AM One could wonder what planet this ichMael comes from.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Sorcha Date: 01 May 10 - 12:08 AM OK, Ick, I'll really address your 'issue'. Yes, it was rather common in the 50's to neuter all 'deficient' humans in the US. It came under a LOT of fire, and I don't think it is done anymore. My mother worked in a residential hospital for 'chronically disabled' persons (read pretty much just dump them off and hope they die) Among the 'walking wounded' pregancy was a major headache for the staff. You can't watch them all time, so they just aborted ALL the babies and neutered all the residents. Quite often the grandparents of the aborted baby didn't care a lot. Let us HOPE that things have changed and for the better since then. I think you really may have lit a fire under Spaw this time. I hope so. Maybe I should have just cleared this instead of submitting...sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: LadyJean Date: 01 May 10 - 12:12 AM If people know that their children aren't likely to die in infancy, they are more likely to voluntarily limit the size of their families, for any number of reasons, most of them good. That's what the Gateses are trying to do. I like the idea of a couple having 2 children they plan on sending to college, better than the idea of a couple having 12 children in the hopes that 5 of those children will live long enough to become day laborers, don't you? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Sorcha Date: 01 May 10 - 12:28 AM Yes Jean...and the current television shows about HUGE families (Gosslelin, Dugger, et al) make me ILL. It also bugs the CRAP out of me that religions will tell people how many children to have...or NOT have. Now, please, do NOT let this turn into a (name your religion) bashing thread. I love our children very much (we had 2) but if I knew then what I know now, I might not have had any. No, not the raising of them but the whole Zero Population growth thing. I also don't think that govermental control as in China is the answer. Let me just go on record here as saying I am not really in favour of ANY genetic manipulation. I know, plants and food plants...but WHO draws the line and WHERE? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 12:28 AM Michael from Texas: Dream on, Macduff. Your bogiemen will not stop appearing and conspiring and running their nefarious schemes until you get back on your meds or change your life. Find a peaceable little farm in New England and forget Texas. You and Texas are a BAD influence on each other, pal. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Sorcha Date: 01 May 10 - 12:30 AM ich is from TEXAS? NO wonder.....LOL. Ta for that Amos. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: mousethief Date: 01 May 10 - 12:33 AM DNFTT |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 May 10 - 01:26 AM We don't NEED ichMael's hysterical conspiracy theories - we are eugenicising our gene pool already in a downward direction and doing long term harm to our species - recent discoveries have found that genes get switched off occasionally and randomly (and transmitted to subsequent generations!) thru many processes including IVF and things like insecticides! "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent" Twisty twisty, icky icky, - 'If people know that their children aren't likely to die in infancy, they are more likely to voluntarily limit the size of their families, for any number of reasons, most of them good' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 May 10 - 01:31 AM Twisty twisty, icky icky... The full quote was "First we got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent." (author's emphasis). By deleting those two words you deliberately distorted the context - people are wide awake to your malicious manipulations, troll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 May 10 - 01:38 AM So look son, just save us all a lot of time and go away now and write another one of your anti-Mudcat web pages, to be read by those who care the way you do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: katlaughing Date: 01 May 10 - 02:12 AM DNFTT |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 May 10 - 06:26 AM Linguistic query: "Twisty twisty, icky icky"? Never come across that one before. ............. It's true enough that the Nazis didn't invent ideas like mass sterilisation of "the unfit", which had already been put into practice most especially in some American states. It's estimated that about 60,000 American were sterilised over the years, until in the wake of Nazism this kind of "Social Darwinism" ceased to be seen by some people as "progressive" or "enlightened. Here's a thought provoking extract from a book about all that. It's as well to guard against those kind of ideas sneaking back into fashion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Bobert Date: 01 May 10 - 06:40 AM Okay, folks, let's take a look at this one from a different angle... Sterlization od the stupid might nit be a bad idea... Hmmmmmmm??? Where to start??? Let's see??? Okay, I got one... How abhout the folks here who can't follow the topic of a thread but nit-pick details that have nothing to do with the topic??? Yeah, sign them up... And how about people who think that getting up at 4 in the morning, driving hundreds on miles andplunking down half their weekly paychecks to sit with like humans watch cars being driven in a circle??? Yep, throw them in, too... Maybe you could just set up sterilization trailers outside of Charlotte International Speedway and include the procedure in the ticket price... Heck, these folks wouldn't know the difference... And how about folks who egt in the streets screaming how much they hate the government and then when Auntie gets cancer and can't afford treatment are beating down ther government's door for help... "Yeah, we got some help fir yqa, Ralph... Step this way".... I mean, the list is almost endless of stupid people who probably shouldn't be making more stupid people... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 May 10 - 07:00 AM Joking about the Holocaust and the things that contributed to it isn't too good an idea. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Riginslinger Date: 01 May 10 - 07:03 AM I wonder what the effect is on who is born and who is not when you take a bunch of young black men and put them in prison for 20 or 30 years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 08:47 AM Cinnamon BunsIngredients 20 unbaked frozen dinner rolls 1 cup brown sugar 1/4 cup instant vanilla pudding mix 2 teaspoons ground cinnamon 3/4 cup raisins 1/3 cup butter, melted Directions Lightly grease a 10 inch Bundt cake pan. Place frozen rolls into pan and sprinkle with brown sugar, pudding mix, ground cinnamon and raisins. Pour melted butter over rolls. Cover with a clean, damp cloth and leave overnight at room temperature. In the morning, preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Bake rolls for 25 minutes, until golden brown. Turn rolls out onto a serving plate and serve warm. The Long Way1. Prepare the yeast dough. Once the dough has risen once, turn it out onto a lightly floured surface. Flatten the dough with the palms of your hands and gently stretch and/or roll it into a rectangle. Cinnamon Rolls II 2. Use a rolling pin to roll the dough out into a larger rectangle, approximately 12 inches wide by 20 inches long. The dough might be sticky, so flour the work surface and the rolling pin, checking to be sure the dough isn't stuck to the work surface and adding more flour as necessary. 3. Spread the softened butter over the surface of the dough, leaving a 1-inch strip along the long edge of the rectangle furthest away from you completely dry. (Other recipes call for egg wash instead of butter; if you're using egg wash, brush the entire surface.) 4. Generously sprinkle cinnamon-sugar over the butter, spreading the mixture evenly across the whole sheet of dough. Other spices, such as nutmeg and cardamom, also work well. Adding a pinch of ground cloves to the cinnamon-sugar mixture enhances the cinnamon flavor. Leave the 1-inch border free of sugar. 5. Add any other fillings desired--raisins, nuts, shredded coconut, orange zest--taking care to distribute them evenly. 6. Start at the left-hand corner of the edge closest to you. Working from left to right, tug the lip of the dough up and over the filling, keeping it tight. Roll up the dough, tightening the log as you go. 7. When you reach the far edge of the dough, moisten the bare edge with egg wash or water and pinch to seal the seam. 8. Use a serrated knife, pastry cutter, or length of unwaxed dental floss to cut the dough into even-sized pieces. You might want to discard the very ends of the roll since they often contain little filling. 9. Place the cut rolls on a greased or parchment-lined pan or cookie sheet. (For sticky buns, prepare the pan with the cinnamon smear and chopped pecans before arranging the rolls.) For pull-apart rolls, use a baking pan and arrange the rolls about an inch apart. To make individual rolls, space them two to three inches apart on a cookie sheet. Cover the rolls with a damp cloth and let them rise until they nearly double in size, about 45 minutes to an hour. The rolls can also be covered with plastic wrap and placed in the refrigerator. The next morning, let the rolls rise at room temperature until doubled, then bake as directed. (The dough can also be frozen for two weeks to one month. Thaw, still wrapped, at room temperature. Proof and bake as directed.) 10. When the rolls have doubled in size, bake them in the preheated 375 degrees F (190 degrees C) oven. Cinnamon rolls are generally baked at a lower temperature than other breads--if the rolls are close together, the tops will begin to brown before the edges and centers are done. If the rolls begin browning too soon, cover pan with foil. 11. After approximately 30 minutes, test for doneness. Use a paring knife or fork to pull up the center-most roll; if the dough is still sticky and raw-looking, return the pan to the oven for about ten more minutes. The rolls should be golden to dark brown on top, and fully baked in the center of the coil. 12. Cool the pan on a rack about 10 to 15 minutes before glazing. You can use a confectioners' sugar-and-milk glaze, or cream cheese icing thinned with enough milk to reach spreading consistency. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Bobert Date: 01 May 10 - 09:39 AM Here's the little plastic cup, Amos... You know the rest of the drill... B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 10:29 AM It's my way of feeding the troll, Bobert. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Riginslinger Date: 01 May 10 - 11:12 AM And the troll is? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: GUEST,999 Date: 01 May 10 - 11:20 AM "What's sad is that liberals have been conditioned to think a planet-wide kill off would be a GOOD thing, while they say they want a better life for little Juan and Maria." ichMael: I`m a liberal and you are fulla beans--or what beans turn into. As to eugenics being off the books--please note that Alberta had it on the books until 1972. My date may be wrong but not by much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 12:35 PM Michael: Your view of liberals is lamebrained stereotyping. There is no "they" there, amigo. Jes' you and me and little Juan here... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Jack Campin Date: 01 May 10 - 12:48 PM Eugenics is still alive and well in Europe: Forced sterilization of Gypsy women in the Czech Republic, 2006 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Stringsinger Date: 01 May 10 - 12:57 PM Eugenics has historically become politicized. My point is that who determines superiority or inferiority in the human species? There is no credible evidence that has been presented that eugenics is making a comeback on a mass scale. There are some wing-nuts out there who support it but they are usually laughed at and should be. I get it that ichMael confuses vaccinations with something akin to poison. Without vaccinations there would be mass deaths by disease. Medical science is not the enemy. As for the impugning of "liberals" (obviously ichMael uses that as a dirty word), this weakens his argument considerably. The little "Juan and Maria" comment smacks of racism and xenophobia. "This crap rides high, up in the sky Deep in the heart of Texas.........." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 May 10 - 01:36 PM Labels such as liberal or conservatives etc are completely irrelevant in this context - there is an attitude of mind which is open to the eugenicist agenda which can crop up in just about every part of the political spectrum, far left, far right and dead centre. Can and does. Just because we may agree with some people or some group on most things, it's wise to be aware that there may be important matters on which we do not agree. It's never a good idea to buy a package of policies unexamined. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 10 - 02:51 PM If one wanted to reduce the population by great numbers, the easiest way would be to simply stop vaccinations. Lots of folks would die off soon enough. . . . Don Firth P. S. Why is anybody paying any attention to this fruitcake, anyway? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 02:53 PM It's his youth, Don--one always hopes he will grow up and learn to think some. No luck so far, tho'. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 May 10 - 03:07 PM The vaccination stuff the OP posted is as nutty as it goes, as is the targetting of "liberals" as such - but the survival and revival of the eugenic agenda is not something that should be dismissed. Especially in panicky hard economic times when "efficiency savings" could potentially be used in ways that damage the life chances of the weakest among us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: ichMael Date: 01 May 10 - 06:27 PM Cursory look... Catspaw starts by yakking about bestiality and it goes downhill from there. Sigh. Okay, I'll put together a page on eugenics next week. You folks oughta know this stuff already. Too much to go into now, but just today... ...The exact makeup of the dispersants is kept secret under competitive trade laws, but a worker safety sheet for one product, called Corexit, says it includes 2-butoxyethanol, a compound associated with headaches, vomiting and REPRODUCTIVE PROBLEMS at high doses... http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0501/bp-relying-toxic-chemicals-disperse-oil-spilled-gulf-mexico/ That's British Petroleum doing what it can to sterilize the Caribbean. And that's just one of a hundred such stories I could turn up on the wires today, if I cared to. I have some pages about this scattered around, but I'll make one with pictures, just for mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 May 10 - 06:48 PM "That's British Petroleum doing what it can to sterilize the Caribbean." Nope it's just British Petroleum doing what it can to make as much money as it can, as fast as it can, before what it does gets outlawed. "Sigh. Okay, I'll put together a page on eugenics next week. You folks oughta know this stuff already." So why come here, start threads and annoy us in the first place then - you KNOW you can't teach a pig to sing, so just do up your web page in the first place mate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 07:01 PM Or don't. Your smug, ill-informed condescension is without foundation, Michael, and your obsession with your own rightness will lead you to a fruitless life. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 10 - 07:02 PM ALL pharmaceuticals are toxic if you take large enough amounts. Which is why the prescription, or the instructions on the bottle or package warn one not to take more that the specified dose. Hell's bells, ANYTHING can be toxic in large enough doses. You can't live for more than a few days without water. But if you drink enough water at one time, it will wash all the nutrients and electrolytes out of your body and your nervous system will begin to malfunction. You will die if the electrolytes are not soon replaced. This is the whole purpose of such sport drinks as Gatorade: to replace the electrolytes an athlete (or anyone else) loses when he or she sweats like a pig during strenuous activity. Oxygen. Absolutely essential if we are to live for more that a few minutes! But if you spend more than a few minutes in a 100% oxygen atmosphere are the normal atmospheric pressure of 14.7 psi., you will die of oxygen poisoning. There is an ongoing investigation about a possible connection between certain vaccines and the incidence of childhood autism, but as yet, there is no real evidence of a causal connection. But in general, this wheeze about vaccines being poisonous has been around since the time of Jenner. Yet many dreaded diseased that used to obliterate people by the tens or hundreds of thousands have all but been wiped out since the advent of vaccines. Rationality and science march on. Stupidity and superstition also seem to march relentlessly on, and it's a perpetual race to see which will win. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Paul Burke Date: 01 May 10 - 07:08 PM Oh. A vaccine nut. Get polio. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Don Firth Date: 01 May 10 - 07:16 PM Yeah, I did! Back in the 1930s. That was before Salk. Can't say's I recommend it. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: ichMael Date: 01 May 10 - 07:18 PM Squeeeeeeeal! Love it when I hit a nerve. Gotta go, but look up Baxter Inc. and the genocide they attempted in Eastern Europe... Hell, I'll look it up for you... http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=baxter+pharmaceutical+genocide&aq=f&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= That was last winter, when the talking heads were telling you to get your flu shots. And money has nothing to do with nothing. Money as motive. No. Money is NOT the motive when it comes to eugenics. Money is just a tool in the hands of the insane, inbred families that run the world. Like the Windsor family (formerly known as the Saxe Coberg-Gothas, had to change the name because they're NAZIS). More later... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 May 10 - 07:29 PM "Love it when I hit a nerve." Proves the only reason you come here - certainly not for the music. "look up Baxter Inc. and the genocide they attempted in Eastern Europe" Only proves how screwed up your head and how high your level of clinical paranoia is. "Rationality and science march on. Stupidity and superstition also seem to march relentlessly on, and it's a perpetual race to see which will win." Thanks, Don. You forgot psychosis. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Amos Date: 01 May 10 - 08:10 PM What you call "hitting a nerve" Michael is actually just your own stupidity and bias stirring up irritation among people who are more interested in being thinkers than histrionic paranoids. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 May 10 - 08:22 PM "More later... " Why just not let us Google the delusional paronia for ourselves? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: catspaw49 Date: 01 May 10 - 09:13 PM IckyMicky dude....Feel free to start a thousand websites. Seriously dickless, ain't nary a soul here that gives even a tiny shit. Lemmee know when you do an autobiographical site about how you pulled yourself up from a mattress stain to a pathetic, broke-dick, shit-for-brains................... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 May 10 - 09:32 PM What works for dog and cat control should work on itchy member. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: olddude Date: 01 May 10 - 10:04 PM Paranoid schizophrenia seek help please |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: LilyFestre Date: 01 May 10 - 10:44 PM I read the thread title as Eunics--evidence all around you. Oy. Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: GUEST,Uncle Rumpo Date: 02 May 10 - 02:08 AM I have permanent hyper high blood pressure and internal bleeding in my head I guess my time is limited.. so why is my remaining short life span wasted having to cope with all you other peoples retarded hate fueled theories on how the world was, is and should be.. I'm f@cked off with the lot of you stupid c@nts goodnight |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: mousethief Date: 02 May 10 - 02:42 AM I dunno, Rumpo, why do you choose to do things you don't want to do? Seriously if you don't like reading and posting here, just don't. Just say no, as Nancy Reagan said to Alzheimer's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Riginslinger Date: 02 May 10 - 06:08 PM "I read the thread title as Eunics--evidence all around you." Yeah, you'd only have to look at the Democratic party too... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Eugenics -- evidence all around you From: Don Firth Date: 02 May 10 - 09:41 PM Sorry to hear about your blood pressure, Rumpy, but I might suggest that if you can't stand heat, don't sit on the barbeque. Don Firth |
